Comments on: Creep recorded women with hidden surveillance camera inside Starbucks restroom http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Tue, 21 May 2013 18:15:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Stonewalker http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1115136 Stonewalker Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1115136 Aw... I thought he had built this himself and designed it to broadcast to his laptop. He just bought some crappy spy hook that doesn't have any wireless capabilities. Lame. He actually walked into the women's bathroom every hour and downloaded the media to his laptop. Creative, but not smart! Aw… I thought he had built this himself and designed it to broadcast to his laptop. He just bought some crappy spy hook that doesn’t have any wireless capabilities. Lame.

He actually walked into the women’s bathroom every hour and downloaded the media to his laptop. Creative, but not smart!

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1115648 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1115648 not the best analogy. Coat hook you can see anywhere and I can see using it to spy on nannies or an office kitchen or something. I'd get a little suspicious if a toilet paper roll holder suddenly popped up by the eating tables in my office. The only place for that is a bathroom stall. not the best analogy. Coat hook you can see anywhere and I can see using it to spy on nannies or an office kitchen or something. I’d get a little suspicious if a toilet paper roll holder suddenly popped up by the eating tables in my office. The only place for that is a bathroom stall.

]]> By: Stonewalker http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1115138 Stonewalker Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1115138 Oh, also pervy. Very pervy. Oh, also pervy. Very pervy.

]]> By: voiceinthedistance http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1115143 voiceinthedistance Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1115143 I wonder if anyone has measured his anogenital distance yet? I wonder if anyone has measured his anogenital distance yet?

]]> By: Geoduck http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1115145 Geoduck Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1115145 I'm sorta curious how an "unemployed student" can cough up $50,000 in bail money. I’m sorta curious how an “unemployed student” can cough up $50,000 in bail money.

]]> By: Cowicide http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1115166 Cowicide Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1115166 Yeah, I wondered about that too, but I guess with a bail bond you only pay a small percentage of that. Yeah, I wondered about that too, but I guess with a bail bond you only pay a small percentage of that.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1115423 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1115423 for once i'm actually glad i read the comments to an article. huh. for once i’m actually glad i read the comments to an article. huh.

]]> By: ernestoelgato http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1115169 ernestoelgato Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1115169 SICK SICK

]]> By: AirPillo http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1115180 AirPillo Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1115180 Usually it's 10%, which does not at all feel like a small percentage when dealing with sums of that size. That's still a $5,000 bondsman's fee. Usually it’s 10%, which does not at all feel like a small percentage when dealing with sums of that size. That’s still a $5,000 bondsman’s fee.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1118806 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1118806 If this is true, which I don't think it is, then the creep needed a lot more than the device pictured to see the video remotely. This is a self contained unit that is made to record on itself and not connect to a network. So this pictured device would need a lot more to it to download automatically. Like battery pack or hard wire to power the device for any length of time over 5 hours, internet connection which it does not have and all the wires and network access that any device needs to work. More likely scenario: He manually changed the SD card and then dumped the video on the laptop. We sell devices like this http://www.uspystore.com, certainly not for the uses listed here. But for theft investigations, security and general investigative needs. Privacy laws are needed but we may as well start making baseball bats illegal because some people use them to hit and potentially kill others. Make the penalties severe enough to scare the smart ones and take the dumb ones out of circulation. If this is true, which I don’t think it is, then the creep needed a lot more than the device pictured to see the video remotely. This is a self contained unit that is made to record on itself and not connect to a network. So this pictured device would need a lot more to it to download automatically. Like battery pack or hard wire to power the device for any length of time over 5 hours, internet connection which it does not have and all the wires and network access that any device needs to work. More likely scenario: He manually changed the SD card and then dumped the video on the laptop. We sell devices like this http://www.uspystore.com, certainly not for the uses listed here. But for theft investigations, security and general investigative needs. Privacy laws are needed but we may as well start making baseball bats illegal because some people use them to hit and potentially kill others. Make the penalties severe enough to scare the smart ones and take the dumb ones out of circulation.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1114979 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1114979 this is what happens when a pervert is also a nerd this is what happens when a pervert is also a nerd

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1115237 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1115237 first thing I thought aswell: that's one phallic hanger! first thing I thought aswell: that’s one phallic hanger!

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1115749 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1115749 A great book that explores the idea of everyone being able to see anyone at any time (even in the past) is: The Light Of Other Days (Arthur C. Clarke and Stephen Baxter). [ this thread seems to be going in that direction ] A great book that explores the idea of everyone being able to see anyone at any time (even in the past) is: The Light Of Other Days (Arthur C. Clarke and Stephen Baxter). [ this thread seems to be going in that direction ]

]]> By: Tesla_Girl http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1114984 Tesla_Girl Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1114984 --definetly a creep –definetly a creep

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1114992 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1114992 That's one fetish I never understood. How is it sexy to watch somebody sit down and have a slash, possibly cutting a few air biscuits while they're at it? Did his mom force him to go potty while she watched? How do you end up with that particular sort of neural twist? Regardless, he ought to face a hefty fine and a few months in jail, at the very least. That’s one fetish I never understood. How is it sexy to watch somebody sit down and have a slash, possibly cutting a few air biscuits while they’re at it? Did his mom force him to go potty while she watched? How do you end up with that particular sort of neural twist?

Regardless, he ought to face a hefty fine and a few months in jail, at the very least.

]]> By: Caroline http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1115505 Caroline Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1115505 Exactly. Guys like this get off on violating a woman's privacy and consent. If he just wanted to see naked ladies, he could have used his laptop to access the entire internet full of porn. Brandi @38, with a TV remote, you're seeing the infrared beam it uses to talk to the TV. The digital camera in your cell phone responds to infrared even though your eyes don't, so you can see the beam. Do these kinds of surveillance cameras emit an infrared beam? If they don't, you wouldn't see anything. (Infrared beams are used for motion detectors, so if it was a motion-activated surveillance camera, you'd probably see something.) Exactly. Guys like this get off on violating a woman’s privacy and consent. If he just wanted to see naked ladies, he could have used his laptop to access the entire internet full of porn.

Brandi @38, with a TV remote, you’re seeing the infrared beam it uses to talk to the TV. The digital camera in your cell phone responds to infrared even though your eyes don’t, so you can see the beam. Do these kinds of surveillance cameras emit an infrared beam? If they don’t, you wouldn’t see anything. (Infrared beams are used for motion detectors, so if it was a motion-activated surveillance camera, you’d probably see something.)

]]> By: BikerRay http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1115252 BikerRay Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1115252 Says it has motion detection, so maybe that's 90 minutes of video, not just 90 minutes of "on" time. Says it has motion detection, so maybe that’s 90 minutes of video, not just 90 minutes of “on” time.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1114997 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1114997 I knew I saw this somewhere... be on the lookout! http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-rechargeable-1-3mp-pin-hole-motion-detection-spy-av-camera-clothes-hook-black-tf-card-slot-50586 I knew I saw this somewhere… be on the lookout!

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-rechargeable-1-3mp-pin-hole-motion-detection-spy-av-camera-clothes-hook-black-tf-card-slot-50586

]]> By: Creperie http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1114998 Creperie Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1114998 The article says that police have identified 11 victims and are trying to identify the others. Why on earth do they need to do that? The article says that police have identified 11 victims and are trying to identify the others.
Why on earth do they need to do that?

]]> By: Xeni Jardin http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1115003 Xeni Jardin Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1115003 You know, that struck me as an interesting point, too. I suppose because they have a right to know. You know, that struck me as an interesting point, too. I suppose because they have a right to know.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1115004 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1115004 If he'd had it wifi enabled, he probably wouldn't have been caught right? Also, is it just coincidence that it's Glen Walker reporting from Glendora? If he’d had it wifi enabled, he probably wouldn’t have been caught right?

Also, is it just coincidence that it’s Glen Walker reporting from Glendora?

]]> By: loroferoz http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1116285 loroferoz Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1116285 I think he is talking (at least in the interview) about the possibility of having "bugs" everywhere. Because they become ever more powerful and smaller. He argues for a (not specified how, exactly) equality of watchers, because privacy will end. That privacy laws only benefit the powerful and wealthy, who have lawyers (and leverage) both to enforce the law in their interest, to defend them when they break the law, even to prevent widespread discovery that they did. I think he is talking (at least in the interview) about the possibility of having “bugs” everywhere. Because they become ever more powerful and smaller.

He argues for a (not specified how, exactly) equality of watchers, because privacy will end. That privacy laws only benefit the powerful and wealthy, who have lawyers (and leverage) both to enforce the law in their interest, to defend them when they break the law, even to prevent widespread discovery that they did.

]]> By: loroferoz http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1115518 loroferoz Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1115518 Holy Cow! Is this coming? David Brin on Wired: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/4.02/brin.html The makers of this gadget, do they realize that they are making a spy tool of a fixture of every public restroom? How about a toilet paper holder spy camera? Now, the guy who did this goes to jail. He is filming people in intimate situations that they choose to hide from view, without their consent. Children cannot give consent, anything sexual you do with them/to them/about them is illegal. Holy Cow!

Is this coming? David Brin on Wired:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/4.02/brin.html

The makers of this gadget, do they realize that they are making a spy tool of a fixture of every public restroom? How about a toilet paper holder spy camera?

Now, the guy who did this goes to jail. He is filming people in intimate situations that they choose to hide from view, without their consent. Children cannot give consent, anything sexual you do with them/to them/about them is illegal.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1115522 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1115522 Since when do the police, or any law enforcement agency, or for that matter, any government organization, give a crap about the victim's "right to know"? Since when do the police, or any law enforcement agency, or for that matter, any government organization, give a crap about the victim’s “right to know”?

]]> By: Voris Klopchick http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1115014 Voris Klopchick Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1115014 A nerd would not have to walk into the building every hour to download the take. He'd pipe it through the store's wifi and retrieve it from a dead drop site while miles away. Of course, he'd also have come up with a better site to surveil... A nerd would not have to walk into the building every hour to download the take. He’d pipe it through the store’s wifi and retrieve it from a dead drop site while miles away. Of course, he’d also have come up with a better site to surveil…

]]> By: InsertFingerHere http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1115018 InsertFingerHere Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1115018 How did he make this Wifi is the question. Not that I would spy on women like that, but curious from a hacking point of view. Cuz if they cant explain that properly, then some of the facts of the story need checking. How did he make this Wifi is the question. Not that I would spy on women like that, but curious from a hacking point of view.

Cuz if they cant explain that properly, then some of the facts of the story need checking.

]]> By: RebNachum http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1115023 RebNachum Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1115023 No, /now/ I know what "squick" means. No, /now/ I know what “squick” means.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1115029 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1115029 I think identifying the victims has to do with trying to find folks who are willing to press charges, testify in court, etc. I think identifying the victims has to do with trying to find folks who are willing to press charges, testify in court, etc.

]]> By: Jack http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1115033 Jack Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1115033 Some people don’t do these kinds of things for their sexual pleasure. Sometimes it’s just a bizarre compulsion. I grew up near the boardwalk and remember guys under the boardwalk looking up skirts. Which makes 100% no logical sense since if they looked at the beach they could see women in bikinis. Who knows! Some people don’t do these kinds of things for their sexual pleasure. Sometimes it’s just a bizarre compulsion. I grew up near the boardwalk and remember guys under the boardwalk looking up skirts. Which makes 100% no logical sense since if they looked at the beach they could see women in bikinis. Who knows!

]]> By: blueelm http://boingboing.net/2011/05/18/wireless-camera-in-s.html#comment-1115292 blueelm Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1115292 "Which makes 100% no logical sense since if they looked at the beach they could see women in bikinis" Unfortunately that only makes no sense if you are thinking that the nudity of the women is what they are after rather than the kick out of violating consent to be looked at. It makes perfect logical sense, it's just twisted. “Which makes 100% no logical sense since if they looked at the beach they could see women in bikinis”

Unfortunately that only makes no sense if you are thinking that the nudity of the women is what they are after rather than the kick out of violating consent to be looked at.

It makes perfect logical sense, it’s just twisted.

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