Comments on: Vice speaker of Ukrainian Parliament throttles deputy http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:05:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: simonbarsinister http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1116418 simonbarsinister Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1116418 Those were some passionate words afterwards. Translation please! Not knowing a word of Russian I imagine it went something like this: Lyashko: Vice speaking Martynyuk, you are a disgrace! You embarrass this office! Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent and with this you show your true worth! Martynyuk: You have to admit I really kicked his ass! Chamber hoots approvingly like a Gerry Springer audience. Those were some passionate words afterwards. Translation please!

Not knowing a word of Russian I imagine it went something like this:

Lyashko: Vice speaking Martynyuk, you are a disgrace! You embarrass this office! Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent and with this you show your true worth!

Martynyuk: You have to admit I really kicked his ass!

Chamber hoots approvingly like a Gerry Springer audience.

]]> By: Tzctboin http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1117189 Tzctboin Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1117189 From his entry in the Official Ukranian Parliament's website (http://gska2.rada.gov.ua/site/eng/dep/Martyniuk.htm): "1991-1994 security guard of the business premises of "Ukraine" agricultural enterprise" It seems the training for that position was quite good. Oh yes, he also: "1981-1983 lector in the Department of Propaganda and Agitation of Lviv Regional Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine" This individual was almost 40 when the Berlin Wall fell down. Clearly some notions of what is good and proper don't sit very well with his earlier development. Bless. From his entry in the Official Ukranian Parliament’s website (http://gska2.rada.gov.ua/site/eng/dep/Martyniuk.htm):

“1991-1994 security guard of the business premises of “Ukraine” agricultural enterprise”

It seems the training for that position was quite good.

Oh yes, he also:

“1981-1983 lector in the Department of Propaganda and Agitation of Lviv Regional Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine”

This individual was almost 40 when the Berlin Wall fell down.

Clearly some notions of what is good and proper don’t sit very well with his earlier development. Bless.

]]> By: Niño Ternura http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1116422 Niño Ternura Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1116422 You gotta admire the Steven Seagal smirk at 0:50 You gotta admire the Steven Seagal smirk at 0:50

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1116425 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1116425 That was a priceless smirk! Nice pointing that out! That was a priceless smirk! Nice pointing that out!

]]> By: Pantograph http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1117207 Pantograph Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1117207 Politicians dropping their veneer of civility and throwing tantrums like little kids are amusing. The more civilised the country the more amusing it gets. A scrap in the Swedish parliament would be ten times as amusing to outsiders than a scrap amongst politicians who do this thing regularly. And most of us are outsiders. It is not our place to tell a sovereign country who they should prosecute. Politicians dropping their veneer of civility and throwing tantrums like little kids are amusing. The more civilised the country the more amusing it gets.

A scrap in the Swedish parliament would be ten times as amusing to outsiders than a scrap amongst politicians who do this thing regularly.

And most of us are outsiders. It is not our place to tell a sovereign country who they should prosecute.

]]> By: alowishus http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1116462 alowishus Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1116462 In ancient Rome, senators stabbed each other. In ancient Rome, senators stabbed each other.

]]> By: Rick. http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1116467 Rick. Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1116467 This needs meme-ing. http://www.flickr.com/photos/rickcortes/5739912811/in/pool-41894168726@N01/ This needs meme-ing.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rickcortes/5739912811/in/pool-41894168726@N01/

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1116496 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1116496 yay, I get to be the first one who questions using violence to solve issues! wait... yay, I get to be the first one who questions using violence to solve issues!

wait…

]]> By: osmo http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1116498 osmo Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1116498 Someone have had some time in Spetsnaz it seems... Squeezing the artaries in the throat plus the windpipe plus pinching off blood flow to the brain. Although he let go a bit too soon or was that him realising that perhaps its not a wise move to strangle an opponent to death infront of TV-cameras? Someone have had some time in Spetsnaz it seems… Squeezing the artaries in the throat plus the windpipe plus pinching off blood flow to the brain.

Although he let go a bit too soon or was that him realising that perhaps its not a wise move to strangle an opponent to death infront of TV-cameras?

]]> By: Jardine http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1116755 Jardine Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1116755 It'd be interesting to see a parliamentary system where you had to defend your ideas physically. Jack Layton has a cane and it's inevitable that Stephen Harper will do something that deserves a cane to the shins at a minimum. It’d be interesting to see a parliamentary system where you had to defend your ideas physically. Jack Layton has a cane and it’s inevitable that Stephen Harper will do something that deserves a cane to the shins at a minimum.

]]> By: ill lich http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1116502 ill lich Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1116502 "Pharisee"? Has our level of discourse sunk to this level, really, "pharisee"? Unbelievable. “Pharisee”? Has our level of discourse sunk to this level, really, “pharisee”? Unbelievable.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1116503 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1116503 What, in the 1800s? Don't want to admit that the Ukrainian senate might have passed you has-beens? What, in the 1800s? Don’t want to admit that the Ukrainian senate might have passed you has-beens?

]]> By: grimc http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1116506 grimc Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1116506 I thought that grip looked kind of peculiar, not just a run-of-the-mill two-handed choke job. I thought that grip looked kind of peculiar, not just a run-of-the-mill two-handed choke job.

]]> By: sean http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1117020 sean Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1117020 Hey, that guy in the blue suit got to make a speech anyway, even though he lost the fight! That's not right! He got knocked down fair and square! Hey, that guy in the blue suit got to make a speech anyway, even though he lost the fight! That’s not right! He got knocked down fair and square!

]]> By: Gunn http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1116514 Gunn Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1116514 This video has been viewed 389 times by someone named Scott Walker in Wisconsin. This video has been viewed 389 times by someone named Scott Walker in Wisconsin.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1116517 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1116517 Seems like it was a good day for brawling. The Kuwaitis joined in the on the fun. Hah. http://blogs.wsj.com/photojournal/2011/05/18/photos-of-the-day-may-18/ Seems like it was a good day for brawling.
The Kuwaitis joined in the on the fun. Hah.

http://blogs.wsj.com/photojournal/2011/05/18/photos-of-the-day-may-18/

]]> By: tsdguy http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1117285 tsdguy Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1117285 Interesting pressure point application. However, the right hand should be under the ear where there is a nerve bundle that's very effective. Guess the left hand is trying to pinch the trachea which is pretty hard. In any case, pressure point activity is a) VERY hard to do and b) really for defensive activity - to break the attack so one can run away. My martial arts instructor is very good at this and can get one in every time in seconds. I've been practicing for 8 years and still can't get one without fooling around making it ineffective. The pain is something you don't normally experience and it's application has a long memory. If you were going to attack in this position and didn't mind the real possibility of death, I would strike under the ear with a fist or stiff handed at the neck. BTW: The guy getting throttled, rather that grabbing the arm which is ineffective, should grab the pinky and bend back 90 degrees which will break that grip. Or the thumb and rotate the wrist 180 degrees. Or bring a nice Fort 12 semiautomatic and shoot the dude in the forehead. Interesting pressure point application. However, the right hand should be under the ear where there is a nerve bundle that’s very effective. Guess the left hand is trying to pinch the trachea which is pretty hard.

In any case, pressure point activity is a) VERY hard to do and b) really for defensive activity – to break the attack so one can run away. My martial arts instructor is very good at this and can get one in every time in seconds. I’ve been practicing for 8 years and still can’t get one without fooling around making it ineffective.

The pain is something you don’t normally experience and it’s application has a long memory.

If you were going to attack in this position and didn’t mind the real possibility of death, I would strike under the ear with a fist or stiff handed at the neck.

BTW: The guy getting throttled, rather that grabbing the arm which is ineffective, should grab the pinky and bend back 90 degrees which will break that grip. Or the thumb and rotate the wrist 180 degrees. Or bring a nice Fort 12 semiautomatic and shoot the dude in the forehead.

]]> By: jordan http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1116527 jordan Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1116527 Is that a tactical pen in Martynyuk's hand? Is that a tactical pen in Martynyuk’s hand?

]]> By: sockdoll http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1116783 sockdoll Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1116783 This kind of thing happens regularly in Taiwan. Go to Google and start typing in Taiwan Parliament and see how quickly "fight," "brawl," "slap," "women fight," etc. pop up. I think the humor that people find in this, if any, comes from how incongruous and absolutely surreal it seems. It's not funny ha-ha as much as funny WTF. This kind of thing happens regularly in Taiwan. Go to Google and start typing in Taiwan Parliament and see how quickly “fight,” “brawl,” “slap,” “women fight,” etc. pop up.

I think the humor that people find in this, if any, comes from how incongruous and absolutely surreal it seems. It’s not funny ha-ha as much as funny WTF.

]]> By: wrybread http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1118323 wrybread Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1118323 <blockquote>BTW: The guy getting throttled, rather that grabbing the arm which is ineffective, should grab the pinky and bend back 90 degrees which will break that grip. Or the thumb and rotate the wrist 180 degrees. Or bring a nice Fort 12 semiautomatic and shoot the dude in the forehead</blockquote> Or he could simply resist in any way at all. The problem with all that "pressure point" nonsense is that it requires a willing victim. Once its used against a resisting opponent it all goes out the window. I train at a Gracie Jiu Jitsu academy and we're always getting people passing through who've trained at one of these schools that view martial arts as something magical, and they try this stuff with laughable results. There's a very good reason no one tries this stuff in MMA. And modern MMA is where martial arts get peer reviewed.

BTW: The guy getting throttled, rather that grabbing the arm which is ineffective, should grab the pinky and bend back 90 degrees which will break that grip. Or the thumb and rotate the wrist 180 degrees. Or bring a nice Fort 12 semiautomatic and shoot the dude in the forehead

Or he could simply resist in any way at all. The problem with all that “pressure point” nonsense is that it requires a willing victim. Once its used against a resisting opponent it all goes out the window. I train at a Gracie Jiu Jitsu academy and we’re always getting people passing through who’ve trained at one of these schools that view martial arts as something magical, and they try this stuff with laughable results.

There’s a very good reason no one tries this stuff in MMA. And modern MMA is where martial arts get peer reviewed.

]]> By: murrayhenson http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1116805 murrayhenson Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1116805 It's amusing, in a depressing sort of way, of how obvious it is that Ukrainians must have read about parliamentary democracy somewhere, perhaps in the "Fast-track to joining the EU!" pamphlet, and said "...Huh. Okaaaayyy..." and then went ahead and had a go at it. From http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13447862 "The National Meteorological Centre's chief meteorologist praised the beauty of spring before berating "disorder, lawlessness and injustice" in Ukraine. Lyudmila Savchenko was broadcasting live on National Radio when she made the disparaging remarks." Savchenko was, of course, immediately fired. Doesn't mean she wasn't spot-on though. It’s amusing, in a depressing sort of way, of how obvious it is that Ukrainians must have read about parliamentary democracy somewhere, perhaps in the “Fast-track to joining the EU!” pamphlet, and said “…Huh. Okaaaayyy…” and then went ahead and had a go at it.

From http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13447862 “The National Meteorological Centre’s chief meteorologist praised the beauty of spring before berating “disorder, lawlessness and injustice” in Ukraine. Lyudmila Savchenko was broadcasting live on National Radio when she made the disparaging remarks.”

Savchenko was, of course, immediately fired. Doesn’t mean she wasn’t spot-on though.

]]> By: jakemg http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1116564 jakemg Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1116564 I like how they all held back the guy who was attacked, but left the attacker alone. Seems weird to me. I like how they all held back the guy who was attacked, but left the attacker alone. Seems weird to me.

]]> By: wrybread http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1116570 wrybread Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1116570 I think he was completely faking it. He's not completely blocking the carotid arteries enough to put him unconscious. And he's definitely not doing anything to block air, its just a blood choke, and a bad one. And that second hand on the "pressure point" was totally bogus kung-fu movie stuff. I think he was completely faking it. He’s not completely blocking the carotid arteries enough to put him unconscious. And he’s definitely not doing anything to block air, its just a blood choke, and a bad one.

And that second hand on the “pressure point” was totally bogus kung-fu movie stuff.

]]> By: Kosmoid http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1116320 Kosmoid Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1116320 Makes the makeup sex oh so much more better. Makes the makeup sex oh so much more better.

]]> By: irksome http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1116323 irksome Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1116323 I thought sticking a pen in someone's neck was a prison move, rather than a parliamentary procedure. I thought sticking a pen in someone’s neck was a prison move, rather than a parliamentary procedure.

]]> By: emmdeeaych http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1116837 emmdeeaych Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1116837 Maybe I have a future in politics after all. I could take that guy. Maybe I have a future in politics after all. I could take that guy.

]]> By: Utenzil http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1116328 Utenzil Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1116328 "Please be allowing me to render you unconscious. Спасибі!" “Please be allowing me to render you unconscious. Спасибі!”

]]> By: pepsibookcat http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1116329 pepsibookcat Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1116329 Benny Hill-ified in 3..2.. Benny Hill-ified in 3..2..

]]> By: moosetoga http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1116334 moosetoga Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1116334 You stay classy, Kiev. You stay classy, Kiev.

]]> By: Cory Doctorow http://boingboing.net/2011/05/20/vice-speaker-of-ukra.html#comment-1116336 Cory Doctorow Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1116336 My goodness I'm proud of my Ukrainian heritage at this moment! My goodness I’m proud of my Ukrainian heritage at this moment!

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