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	<title>Comments on: Android&#039;s YouTube Store lockout is textbook copyright&#160;extremism</title>
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		<title>By: chip</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/androids-youtube-sto.html#comment-1126147</link>
		<dc:creator>chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like all DRM, it&#039;s both dumb and ineffective.  Locking down legal options only makes them less attractive and steers people toward illegal options, which already have the benefit of being free.  The only way paid content will ever beat pirated content is for the paid version to be better, not worse.

Google can shoot it&#039;s youtube rental store in the foot if it wants.  Pirated options will always be available for those who don&#039;t want to jump through hoops just for the privilege of paying for something they could easier get for free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like all DRM, it&#8217;s both dumb and ineffective.  Locking down legal options only makes them less attractive and steers people toward illegal options, which already have the benefit of being free.  The only way paid content will ever beat pirated content is for the paid version to be better, not worse.</p>
<p>Google can shoot it&#8217;s youtube rental store in the foot if it wants.  Pirated options will always be available for those who don&#8217;t want to jump through hoops just for the privilege of paying for something they could easier get for free.</p>
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		<title>By: kjulig</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/androids-youtube-sto.html#comment-1125640</link>
		<dc:creator>kjulig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Cory, I&#039;m afraid this sounds like &quot;If you disagree with me, you just don&#039;t _understand_!&quot; Not sure that&#039;s a valid argument...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Cory, I&#8217;m afraid this sounds like &#8220;If you disagree with me, you just don&#8217;t _understand_!&#8221; Not sure that&#8217;s a valid argument&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SonOfSamSeaborn</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/androids-youtube-sto.html#comment-1125901</link>
		<dc:creator>SonOfSamSeaborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! There was no way I was going to get around the whole place in half a day (possibly even a day) anyway, so I could try again next time. I tend to see the word &quot;Egyptian&quot; on the map and am drawn immediately in that direction...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! There was no way I was going to get around the whole place in half a day (possibly even a day) anyway, so I could try again next time. I tend to see the word &#8220;Egyptian&#8221; on the map and am drawn immediately in that direction&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/androids-youtube-sto.html#comment-1125648</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a similar reaction to most people, this hardly seems mind-blowing, but does seem to fall in line with the Guardian&#039;s editorial promotions of extreme warnings and analysis.

Wouldn&#039;t a better analogy (especially after the &#039;clarification&#039; of comment 14) be one of a movie theater (or media company) prohibiting you from operating a video camera in a theater while a movie played? (which, of course, may or may not be capturing the content on the screen)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a similar reaction to most people, this hardly seems mind-blowing, but does seem to fall in line with the Guardian&#8217;s editorial promotions of extreme warnings and analysis.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t a better analogy (especially after the &#8216;clarification&#8217; of comment 14) be one of a movie theater (or media company) prohibiting you from operating a video camera in a theater while a movie played? (which, of course, may or may not be capturing the content on the screen)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/androids-youtube-sto.html#comment-1126177</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sympathize with Cory&#039;s disappointment and anger, and appreciate his bringing this to our attention, but his analysis is at best completely unsound, at worst a willful distortion.

Forget the unhelpful, unnecessary analogies and the wild, ungrounded assertions.  This isn&#039;t about copyright at all.  This is a *circumvention* of copyright.  &#039;Do no evil&#039; is simply specifying and intending to enforce a set of conditions which you need to fulfill in order to use their service.  

By all means shun, oppose, condemn, break, spoof.   But &#039;examin[ing] the theory of copyright&#039; is barking up the wrong damn tree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sympathize with Cory&#8217;s disappointment and anger, and appreciate his bringing this to our attention, but his analysis is at best completely unsound, at worst a willful distortion.</p>
<p>Forget the unhelpful, unnecessary analogies and the wild, ungrounded assertions.  This isn&#8217;t about copyright at all.  This is a *circumvention* of copyright.  &#8216;Do no evil&#8217; is simply specifying and intending to enforce a set of conditions which you need to fulfill in order to use their service.  </p>
<p>By all means shun, oppose, condemn, break, spoof.   But &#8216;examin[ing] the theory of copyright&#8217; is barking up the wrong damn tree.</p>
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		<title>By: jenjen</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/androids-youtube-sto.html#comment-1125672</link>
		<dc:creator>jenjen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think you even need an analogy. It&#039;s a troubling development, just report it as such.  I find it very weird that in a country where people get so rabid about their rights as property owners that people aren&#039;t more upset about this trend. In a Facebook thread I&#039;m following there&#039;s a huge debate about whether a guy should have the right to build crazy wingnut modifications on his own house out in the boonies without getting permits.  Most people on the thread think he should, and if his house falls on him, well that&#039;s the price you pay for genius. So why aren&#039;t more people sticking up for personal property rights in the digital realm? 



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you even need an analogy. It&#8217;s a troubling development, just report it as such.  I find it very weird that in a country where people get so rabid about their rights as property owners that people aren&#8217;t more upset about this trend. In a Facebook thread I&#8217;m following there&#8217;s a huge debate about whether a guy should have the right to build crazy wingnut modifications on his own house out in the boonies without getting permits.  Most people on the thread think he should, and if his house falls on him, well that&#8217;s the price you pay for genius. So why aren&#8217;t more people sticking up for personal property rights in the digital realm? </p>
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		<title>By: Alvis</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/androids-youtube-sto.html#comment-1125678</link>
		<dc:creator>Alvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NO ONE is going to use a smartphone to pirate streaming movies.

Anyone with the mind to root a phone and intercept the stream would take the path of least resistance and download the DVDrip off usenet.

I really don&#039;t get this objection from content providers; they let us stream to PCs when logged-in as administrator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NO ONE is going to use a smartphone to pirate streaming movies.</p>
<p>Anyone with the mind to root a phone and intercept the stream would take the path of least resistance and download the DVDrip off usenet.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t get this objection from content providers; they let us stream to PCs when logged-in as administrator.</p>
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		<title>By: jere7my</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/androids-youtube-sto.html#comment-1125679</link>
		<dc:creator>jere7my</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Photography is allowed, but only if a museum aide is allowed to inspect your camera to make sure the options are configured a certain way. If you enable certain things in the camera&#039;s menu, they forbid you from using it in the museum.

Boy, that&#039;d feel dumb and intrusive wouldn&#039;t it?&lt;/i&gt;

Er...that is exactly how museums work. You are frequently not allowed to use a flash or a tripod, which is nothing if not &quot;making sure the options are configured a certain way.&quot;

Granted, the docent doesn&#039;t physically handle your camera...but I don&#039;t think anyone is handling your Android either, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Photography is allowed, but only if a museum aide is allowed to inspect your camera to make sure the options are configured a certain way. If you enable certain things in the camera&#8217;s menu, they forbid you from using it in the museum.</p>
<p>Boy, that&#8217;d feel dumb and intrusive wouldn&#8217;t it?</i></p>
<p>Er&#8230;that is exactly how museums work. You are frequently not allowed to use a flash or a tripod, which is nothing if not &#8220;making sure the options are configured a certain way.&#8221;</p>
<p>Granted, the docent doesn&#8217;t physically handle your camera&#8230;but I don&#8217;t think anyone is handling your Android either, right?</p>
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		<title>By: jere7my</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/androids-youtube-sto.html#comment-1125684</link>
		<dc:creator>jere7my</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Hmm...the second paragraph in my last comment should also be in italics, since it was part of the quote.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Hmm&#8230;the second paragraph in my last comment should also be in italics, since it was part of the quote.)</p>
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		<title>By: bitman362</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/androids-youtube-sto.html#comment-1125687</link>
		<dc:creator>bitman362</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cory,

&quot;...bar people who unlocked their phones...&quot;

I think you may not understand the difference between Unlocking and Rooting.

Unlocking a phone allows you to use your phone on a different carrier than the one you bought it from. There is no baning policy from Google for YouTube users on Unlocked Phones.

Rooting a Phone and installing a third-party kernel, is the actual issue here. Since it is a third-party kernel, there are no assurances (to date) that DRM is properly managed on the phone - hence the issue with YouTube.

You might want to re-read the original article and re-word your posting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cory,</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;bar people who unlocked their phones&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you may not understand the difference between Unlocking and Rooting.</p>
<p>Unlocking a phone allows you to use your phone on a different carrier than the one you bought it from. There is no baning policy from Google for YouTube users on Unlocked Phones.</p>
<p>Rooting a Phone and installing a third-party kernel, is the actual issue here. Since it is a third-party kernel, there are no assurances (to date) that DRM is properly managed on the phone &#8211; hence the issue with YouTube.</p>
<p>You might want to re-read the original article and re-word your posting.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/androids-youtube-sto.html#comment-1125690</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probable timeline:

May 31, 2011 - Google and rightsholders bar unlocked Android devices from accessing legal movies online.

Jan 1, 2012 - Report by rightsholders shows that movie piracy on unlocked Android devices is nearly 100%.

Sept 1, 2012 - Rightsholders try to force through legislation that would force Google to police Android devices for pirated content.

Jan 1, 2013 - Google sued in every country except for the USA for violating the privacy of device owners by remotely accessing their deivces to determine what type of data they have stored there.

Jan 1, 2014 - Android sales tank as Google is badmouthed in every corner of the internet; fines from multiple governments make Android division unprofitable; Google announces closing of Android division and online video store.

July 1, 2020 - A scholarly paper notes that the heavy handed tactics in the emerging cell phone market was one of the reasons for the fall of the movie industry, makes a comparison to Napster.

-RTM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probable timeline:</p>
<p>May 31, 2011 &#8211; Google and rightsholders bar unlocked Android devices from accessing legal movies online.</p>
<p>Jan 1, 2012 &#8211; Report by rightsholders shows that movie piracy on unlocked Android devices is nearly 100%.</p>
<p>Sept 1, 2012 &#8211; Rightsholders try to force through legislation that would force Google to police Android devices for pirated content.</p>
<p>Jan 1, 2013 &#8211; Google sued in every country except for the USA for violating the privacy of device owners by remotely accessing their deivces to determine what type of data they have stored there.</p>
<p>Jan 1, 2014 &#8211; Android sales tank as Google is badmouthed in every corner of the internet; fines from multiple governments make Android division unprofitable; Google announces closing of Android division and online video store.</p>
<p>July 1, 2020 &#8211; A scholarly paper notes that the heavy handed tactics in the emerging cell phone market was one of the reasons for the fall of the movie industry, makes a comparison to Napster.</p>
<p>-RTM</p>
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		<title>By: funkyderek</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/androids-youtube-sto.html#comment-1125693</link>
		<dc:creator>funkyderek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if I root my phone, I&#039;ll just have to watch the pirated movie for free instead of giving Google (more of) my money. Well, if that&#039;s the way they want to play it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if I root my phone, I&#8217;ll just have to watch the pirated movie for free instead of giving Google (more of) my money. Well, if that&#8217;s the way they want to play it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Stooge</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/androids-youtube-sto.html#comment-1125960</link>
		<dc:creator>Stooge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Won&#039;t this scenario play out like this:

&quot;Here, I have money, can I rent your movie?

No? You don&#039;t want my money?

Okay, that&#039;s fine, I&#039;ll pirate it instead.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Certainly not.

Of course they&#039;ll take your money.

You just won&#039;t be able to play the movie.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Won&#8217;t this scenario play out like this:</p>
<p>&#8220;Here, I have money, can I rent your movie?</p>
<p>No? You don&#8217;t want my money?</p>
<p>Okay, that&#8217;s fine, I&#8217;ll pirate it instead.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Certainly not.</p>
<p>Of course they&#8217;ll take your money.</p>
<p>You just won&#8217;t be able to play the movie.</p>
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		<title>By: AirPillo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/androids-youtube-sto.html#comment-1125706</link>
		<dc:creator>AirPillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought I had gone to enough of an extent to make it obvious I was talking about more than a flash, but nits must be picked I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I had gone to enough of an extent to make it obvious I was talking about more than a flash, but nits must be picked I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: SonOfSamSeaborn</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/androids-youtube-sto.html#comment-1125733</link>
		<dc:creator>SonOfSamSeaborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+1 to the paintings. I visited Paris for the first time recently, and went to the Louvre. I&#039;d heard what the Mona Lisa was like -- a billion people kept a few feet away from a medium-sized portrait kept behind some glass (and taking photographs, for reasons far beyond my comprehension) -- and just avoided it like the plague. It&#039;s clearly going to be far, far better to look at it online (if I even had the inclination to look at it, which i really don&#039;t) so I&#039;d rather spend the time looking at historical artifacts, and perhaps stumbling across paintings that I don&#039;t know about (which is most of them).

And as for the movie stuff...well, I&#039;m in the UK, so it&#039;s probably not available to me anyway; but if it&#039;s movies then surely only the principle is at stake. Nobody could possibly want to pay to view films on a 4&quot; screen.

Bar me from Google books for being rooted, though, and you have a fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+1 to the paintings. I visited Paris for the first time recently, and went to the Louvre. I&#8217;d heard what the Mona Lisa was like &#8212; a billion people kept a few feet away from a medium-sized portrait kept behind some glass (and taking photographs, for reasons far beyond my comprehension) &#8212; and just avoided it like the plague. It&#8217;s clearly going to be far, far better to look at it online (if I even had the inclination to look at it, which i really don&#8217;t) so I&#8217;d rather spend the time looking at historical artifacts, and perhaps stumbling across paintings that I don&#8217;t know about (which is most of them).</p>
<p>And as for the movie stuff&#8230;well, I&#8217;m in the UK, so it&#8217;s probably not available to me anyway; but if it&#8217;s movies then surely only the principle is at stake. Nobody could possibly want to pay to view films on a 4&#8243; screen.</p>
<p>Bar me from Google books for being rooted, though, and you have a fight.</p>
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		<title>By: turn_self_off</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/androids-youtube-sto.html#comment-1125748</link>
		<dc:creator>turn_self_off</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hate to break it to you, but Nokia planned for their Meego phones to have much the same setup as what Google is going for with Chromebooks. Basically there would be a switch of sorts that would &quot;jailbreak&quot; the phone. Yes, it would open up for community tinkering. But at the same time one would be locked out of the for pay stuff, much like what Doctorow is railing against in the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate to break it to you, but Nokia planned for their Meego phones to have much the same setup as what Google is going for with Chromebooks. Basically there would be a switch of sorts that would &#8220;jailbreak&#8221; the phone. Yes, it would open up for community tinkering. But at the same time one would be locked out of the for pay stuff, much like what Doctorow is railing against in the article.</p>
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		<title>By: RikF</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/androids-youtube-sto.html#comment-1126004</link>
		<dc:creator>RikF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Cory, but this seems completely overblown.

This is absolutely nothing new.  If I want to watch a DVD I need hardware that has been approved by those who hand out the decryption keys.  If I want to watch a blu-ray, it&#039;s the same.  If I hack the s/w or hardware I have to be clever about it or it ceases to have that particular function.  Just ask all the people who were banned from Xbox Live for having hacked consoles - a far more worrying precedent as what happened there was the removal of a pre-existing (and important) service from owners, rather than the inability to gain access to a (relatively unimportant, given that anyone with an Android phone can now use Netflix) new service.

Now, unlike the Xbox issue, there is a way to back out of rooting your device.  And, unlike the Xbox issue, you can find alternative services to get access to those films.  Stream from Netflix, buy the DVD and convert it, go watch it in the cinema.  The copyright holders aren&#039;t forcing you to use *this* channel.  There are many others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Cory, but this seems completely overblown.</p>
<p>This is absolutely nothing new.  If I want to watch a DVD I need hardware that has been approved by those who hand out the decryption keys.  If I want to watch a blu-ray, it&#8217;s the same.  If I hack the s/w or hardware I have to be clever about it or it ceases to have that particular function.  Just ask all the people who were banned from Xbox Live for having hacked consoles &#8211; a far more worrying precedent as what happened there was the removal of a pre-existing (and important) service from owners, rather than the inability to gain access to a (relatively unimportant, given that anyone with an Android phone can now use Netflix) new service.</p>
<p>Now, unlike the Xbox issue, there is a way to back out of rooting your device.  And, unlike the Xbox issue, you can find alternative services to get access to those films.  Stream from Netflix, buy the DVD and convert it, go watch it in the cinema.  The copyright holders aren&#8217;t forcing you to use *this* channel.  There are many others.</p>
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		<title>By: GrrrlRomeo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/androids-youtube-sto.html#comment-1126263</link>
		<dc:creator>GrrrlRomeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Photography is allowed, but only if a museum aide is allowed to inspect your camera to make sure the options are configured a certain way.&quot;

I.E. No Flash Photography Allowed.

I&#039;ve been to music venues that allowed cameras, but not Professional SLR cameras. Some checked for video capability, but I think they&#039;ve given that up since it&#039;s become standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Photography is allowed, but only if a museum aide is allowed to inspect your camera to make sure the options are configured a certain way.&#8221;</p>
<p>I.E. No Flash Photography Allowed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been to music venues that allowed cameras, but not Professional SLR cameras. Some checked for video capability, but I think they&#8217;ve given that up since it&#8217;s become standard.</p>
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		<title>By: SamSam</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/androids-youtube-sto.html#comment-1125755</link>
		<dc:creator>SamSam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I request again to see this new policy? I wish it were linked to in the original article...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;q=google+policy+android+youtube&quot;&gt;A Google search&lt;/a&gt; for this only finds endless echos of this same article. But this article has no source.

I&#039;m not doubting that Google did make such an announcement, but I bet it would help the discussion if we could see the actual wording.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I request again to see this new policy? I wish it were linked to in the original article&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;q=google+policy+android+youtube">A Google search</a> for this only finds endless echos of this same article. But this article has no source.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not doubting that Google did make such an announcement, but I bet it would help the discussion if we could see the actual wording.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;would be museums that don&#039;t let you bring in cameras.&quot;

That&#039;s an abuse too, as those museums use this to monopolize reproductions of PUBLIC DOMAIN works</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;would be museums that don&#8217;t let you bring in cameras.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s an abuse too, as those museums use this to monopolize reproductions of PUBLIC DOMAIN works</p>
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		<title>By: Nword</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a horrible analogy, a much more apt (and surprisingly less shocking one) would be museums that don&#039;t let you bring in cameras.

You could quite possibly not care to take photos of the art, or it could be just around your neck, but how are they supposed to tell?

I think it&#039;s a stupid decision, but it&#039;s something a person who hasn&#039;t been in a coma for the last ten years would expect. Also the whole deal about google being somehow in the wrong for this.. you can root your android device, or you can watch paid movies on youtube, the choice is entirely yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a horrible analogy, a much more apt (and surprisingly less shocking one) would be museums that don&#8217;t let you bring in cameras.</p>
<p>You could quite possibly not care to take photos of the art, or it could be just around your neck, but how are they supposed to tell?</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a stupid decision, but it&#8217;s something a person who hasn&#8217;t been in a coma for the last ten years would expect. Also the whole deal about google being somehow in the wrong for this.. you can root your android device, or you can watch paid movies on youtube, the choice is entirely yours.</p>
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		<title>By: zyodei</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the one hand, I kind of understand their position - if I root my Android device (which I&#039;m planning on doing this week), it might make it easier to crack the store and download the content for free.

But frankly, for me, rooting the phone &gt;&gt;&gt; paying for some crappy hollywood movies. 

They don&#039;t want my money.

I don&#039;t want their schlocky entertainment.

No love lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the one hand, I kind of understand their position &#8211; if I root my Android device (which I&#8217;m planning on doing this week), it might make it easier to crack the store and download the content for free.</p>
<p>But frankly, for me, rooting the phone >>> paying for some crappy hollywood movies. </p>
<p>They don&#8217;t want my money.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want their schlocky entertainment.</p>
<p>No love lost.</p>
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		<title>By: bconline</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/androids-youtube-sto.html#comment-1125530</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re making too big a jump here. I don&#039;t like the sound of this move by Google, but your analogies are not accurate. Publishing companies have always held the rights to distribution (they had only one mode at their disposal, but they owned the rights). Now media companies have a new issue, multiple modes of distribution. For them to say we will publish to X device but not Y is like a publishing company saying we will publish a soft-cover but not a hard-cover... well within their traditional rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re making too big a jump here. I don&#8217;t like the sound of this move by Google, but your analogies are not accurate. Publishing companies have always held the rights to distribution (they had only one mode at their disposal, but they owned the rights). Now media companies have a new issue, multiple modes of distribution. For them to say we will publish to X device but not Y is like a publishing company saying we will publish a soft-cover but not a hard-cover&#8230; well within their traditional rights.</p>
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		<title>By: hadlock</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Just buy a Nexus S? You get all the benefits of CyanogenMod, 3-6 months before the CyanogenMod folks, plus all the benefits of being a &quot;non-rooted phone&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Just buy a Nexus S? You get all the benefits of CyanogenMod, 3-6 months before the CyanogenMod folks, plus all the benefits of being a &#8220;non-rooted phone&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A crafty lawyer could probably craft a complaint and seek an injunction and damages from YOUTUBE based on an antitrust violation for the reasons expressed. YOUTUBE must treat all of its customers equally without discrimination or bias towards or against smart phone users who decide to unlock their phone for reasons not related to YOUTUBE.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A crafty lawyer could probably craft a complaint and seek an injunction and damages from YOUTUBE based on an antitrust violation for the reasons expressed. YOUTUBE must treat all of its customers equally without discrimination or bias towards or against smart phone users who decide to unlock their phone for reasons not related to YOUTUBE.</p>
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		<title>By: Gulliver</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/androids-youtube-sto.html#comment-1126558</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cory, I&#039;m normally with you on the copyright wars issues. But in this particular case Google is justified (though not very smart) in limiting the scope of device configs that can DL their proprietary content. No one puts a gun to your head and says you have to buy Lady Gaga videos from YouTube. I know they won&#039;t be getting my money. I&#039;d rather have a rooted phone. Now if they try suing users for rooting their phones regardless, then that&#039;s a fair use problem. But if Google wants to torpedo their market share by following a restrictive licensing policy, plenty of competitors will gladly accommodate their customers. Free market means also being free to immolate through Dilbert-esque stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cory, I&#8217;m normally with you on the copyright wars issues. But in this particular case Google is justified (though not very smart) in limiting the scope of device configs that can DL their proprietary content. No one puts a gun to your head and says you have to buy Lady Gaga videos from YouTube. I know they won&#8217;t be getting my money. I&#8217;d rather have a rooted phone. Now if they try suing users for rooting their phones regardless, then that&#8217;s a fair use problem. But if Google wants to torpedo their market share by following a restrictive licensing policy, plenty of competitors will gladly accommodate their customers. Free market means also being free to immolate through Dilbert-esque stupidity.</p>
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		<title>By: imag</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/androids-youtube-sto.html#comment-1125791</link>
		<dc:creator>imag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mona Lisa is actually better in person because the effect of the moving smile is partly based upon the texturing of paint, so you literally see different shades from one direction vs. another.  Every time I have seen it, there have only been 5-20 people around it, none of which was bothersome.  I don&#039;t understand taking a photo of it though.

Although you&#039;re right - there are countless other good things to see in the Louvre...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mona Lisa is actually better in person because the effect of the moving smile is partly based upon the texturing of paint, so you literally see different shades from one direction vs. another.  Every time I have seen it, there have only been 5-20 people around it, none of which was bothersome.  I don&#8217;t understand taking a photo of it though.</p>
<p>Although you&#8217;re right &#8211; there are countless other good things to see in the Louvre&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rebdav</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, I bought a Nokia N900 and it had a option out of the box to install Transmission Bittorrent client and is sold unlocked with a command console app.  
Meego was going to cause an open revolution in the mobile phone market but real this time unlike Android.  Too bad that a Microsoft clone took over as CEO and killed most of the Linux projects just in time.
Bittorrent and Angry Birds on one phone, how long before we see something like that again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, I bought a Nokia N900 and it had a option out of the box to install Transmission Bittorrent client and is sold unlocked with a command console app.<br />
Meego was going to cause an open revolution in the mobile phone market but real this time unlike Android.  Too bad that a Microsoft clone took over as CEO and killed most of the Linux projects just in time.<br />
Bittorrent and Angry Birds on one phone, how long before we see something like that again.</p>
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		<title>By: Narmitaj</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/androids-youtube-sto.html#comment-1125541</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Book publishers have never told you [...] whether you could rebind the book&lt;i/&gt;

For strictly personal use, maybe not, but if you intended to lend it to a friend, then yes they did: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thewritershandbook.com/terms_conditions.asp&quot;&gt;here is the T&amp;C from Macmillan&lt;/a&gt; from their &lt;i&gt;The Writer&#039;s Handbook 2011&lt;/i&gt; page: &quot;All books are sold subject to the condition that they shall not, by way of trade or otherwise, be lent, re-sold, hired out or otherwise circulated without our prior consent in any form of binding or cover, other than that in which it is published and without a similar condition including this condition being imposed on the subsequent purchaser&quot;.

This is not new, or about new works - an almost exact same form of words is on my 1975 Penguin Classics paperback of Plato&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Republic&lt;/i&gt;. The concern was, I think, not that individuals would would eat into their hb sales but that libraries would buy cheap paperbacks and then rebind them in hardcover to make them last longer instead of buying the hardback. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Book publishers have never told you [...] whether you could rebind the book<i /></p>
<p>For strictly personal use, maybe not, but if you intended to lend it to a friend, then yes they did: <a href="http://www.thewritershandbook.com/terms_conditions.asp">here is the T&#038;C from Macmillan</a> from their </i><i>The Writer&#8217;s Handbook 2011</i> page: &#8220;All books are sold subject to the condition that they shall not, by way of trade or otherwise, be lent, re-sold, hired out or otherwise circulated without our prior consent in any form of binding or cover, other than that in which it is published and without a similar condition including this condition being imposed on the subsequent purchaser&#8221;.</p>
<p>This is not new, or about new works &#8211; an almost exact same form of words is on my 1975 Penguin Classics paperback of Plato&#8217;s <i>Republic</i>. The concern was, I think, not that individuals would would eat into their hb sales but that libraries would buy cheap paperbacks and then rebind them in hardcover to make them last longer instead of buying the hardback. </p>
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		<title>By: imag</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/androids-youtube-sto.html#comment-1125547</link>
		<dc:creator>imag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I normally agree with Cory, but this set of arguments is almost deliberately obtuse.  Radio stations don&#039;t care what radio you&#039;re using because they give away music for free to sell the ads.  It&#039;s a totally different business model.

In this case, Google is trying to prevent access by devices that could take the content for free.  Saying that is like dictating which furniture you can have in your room is comparing apples to oranges.  There is absolutely a connection between having a rooted device and being able to bypass DRM.  There is no connection in the case of furniture.

And with all of this, I feel very free not to buy what they are peddling.  I don&#039;t have a rooted phone, but I don&#039;t want to buy their content.  It&#039;s their business, not mine.  The reality is that it&#039;s all consumer culture whining.  There is more accessibility to great content than was ever available in the history of the world - just watch something else...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I normally agree with Cory, but this set of arguments is almost deliberately obtuse.  Radio stations don&#8217;t care what radio you&#8217;re using because they give away music for free to sell the ads.  It&#8217;s a totally different business model.</p>
<p>In this case, Google is trying to prevent access by devices that could take the content for free.  Saying that is like dictating which furniture you can have in your room is comparing apples to oranges.  There is absolutely a connection between having a rooted device and being able to bypass DRM.  There is no connection in the case of furniture.</p>
<p>And with all of this, I feel very free not to buy what they are peddling.  I don&#8217;t have a rooted phone, but I don&#8217;t want to buy their content.  It&#8217;s their business, not mine.  The reality is that it&#8217;s all consumer culture whining.  There is more accessibility to great content than was ever available in the history of the world &#8211; just watch something else&#8230;</p>
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