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	<title>Comments on: Pentagon: Hacking can count as an act of&#160;war</title>
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		<title>By: jenjen</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/pentagon-hack-attack.html#comment-1125641</link>
		<dc:creator>jenjen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re just that much closer to War Games, aren&#039;t we.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re just that much closer to War Games, aren&#8217;t we.</p>
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		<title>By: LX</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/pentagon-hack-attack.html#comment-1125645</link>
		<dc:creator>LX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why providing a reason for war anyway if it&#039;s such a lame excuse? Be honest and tell the world you&#039;re going to war because it just fits into your plans, if not into your household.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why providing a reason for war anyway if it&#8217;s such a lame excuse? Be honest and tell the world you&#8217;re going to war because it just fits into your plans, if not into your household.</p>
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		<title>By: Gutierrez</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/pentagon-hack-attack.html#comment-1125647</link>
		<dc:creator>Gutierrez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You better trust your intelligence deeply.  But If it becomes a weapon of war I don&#039;t see why this is a surprise.  I just wonder what it will take before certain types of hacking will become the center or arms control agreements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You better trust your intelligence deeply.  But If it becomes a weapon of war I don&#8217;t see why this is a surprise.  I just wonder what it will take before certain types of hacking will become the center or arms control agreements.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/pentagon-hack-attack.html#comment-1125649</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How to prop up the military-industrial complex in four easy steps.

1. Make hacking from a foreign country an act of war.
2. Set up a relay in a foreign country.
3. ??
4. Profit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How to prop up the military-industrial complex in four easy steps.</p>
<p>1. Make hacking from a foreign country an act of war.<br />
2. Set up a relay in a foreign country.<br />
3. ??<br />
4. Profit.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/pentagon-hack-attack.html#comment-1125653</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been writing the simulated body count code since stardate 3192.1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Taste_of_Armageddon) so my pentagon contract is almost assured. ([mirthless/sardonic geek/nerd snort/snigger])</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been writing the simulated body count code since stardate 3192.1 (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Taste_of_Armageddon" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Taste_of_Armageddon</a>) so my pentagon contract is almost assured. ([mirthless/sardonic geek/nerd snort/snigger])</p>
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		<title>By: emmdeeaych</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/pentagon-hack-attack.html#comment-1125656</link>
		<dc:creator>emmdeeaych</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; &quot;If you shut down our power grid, maybe we will put a missile down one of your smokestacks,&quot; said a military official.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, yes, over 9,000 cruise missiles... very good sir, you don&#039;t sound powerless at all. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> &#8220;If you shut down our power grid, maybe we will put a missile down one of your smokestacks,&#8221; said a military official.</i></p>
<p>Yes, yes, over 9,000 cruise missiles&#8230; very good sir, you don&#8217;t sound powerless at all. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/pentagon-hack-attack.html#comment-1125657</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So does this mean that with stuxnet we&#039;ve essentially declared war on Iran?  or at least that the US refuses to say that it hasn&#039;t declared war on Iran?
http://boingboing.net/2011/05/29/did-the-us-help-make.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So does this mean that with stuxnet we&#8217;ve essentially declared war on Iran?  or at least that the US refuses to say that it hasn&#8217;t declared war on Iran?<br />
<a href="http://boingboing.net/2011/05/29/did-the-us-help-make.html" rel="nofollow">http://boingboing.net/2011/05/29/did-the-us-help-make.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/pentagon-hack-attack.html#comment-1125658</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As compromised as our power grid is, this makes perfect sense for the government to openly make a statement. A friend of mine working for a utility out west says that it is not overly uncommon for their to be cyber attacks weekly, if not daily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As compromised as our power grid is, this makes perfect sense for the government to openly make a statement. A friend of mine working for a utility out west says that it is not overly uncommon for their to be cyber attacks weekly, if not daily.</p>
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		<title>By: Avram / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/pentagon-hack-attack.html#comment-1125660</link>
		<dc:creator>Avram / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I guess Iran is justified in using military force against the authors of Stuxnet, right? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I guess Iran is justified in using military force against the authors of Stuxnet, right? </p>
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		<title>By: davidasposted</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/pentagon-hack-attack.html#comment-1125662</link>
		<dc:creator>davidasposted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So did the U.S. Congress authorize the use of Stuxnet against Iran, or has the American executive just declared war on another country without approval? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So did the U.S. Congress authorize the use of Stuxnet against Iran, or has the American executive just declared war on another country without approval? </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/pentagon-hack-attack.html#comment-1125664</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And of course someone routing through a proxy in an unfavored country would never be used as an excuse.

I guess this is one really good way for the US to force the rest of the world to accept its draconian plans for control of the internet.  
&quot;Its a nice country, it would be a shame if some kid did something stupid online and we had to bomb it.&quot;

Better plan - don&#039;t hook &quot;critical&quot; systems up to the internet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And of course someone routing through a proxy in an unfavored country would never be used as an excuse.</p>
<p>I guess this is one really good way for the US to force the rest of the world to accept its draconian plans for control of the internet.<br />
&#8220;Its a nice country, it would be a shame if some kid did something stupid online and we had to bomb it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Better plan &#8211; don&#8217;t hook &#8220;critical&#8221; systems up to the internet?</p>
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		<title>By: davidasposted</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/pentagon-hack-attack.html#comment-1125665</link>
		<dc:creator>davidasposted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beat me to it!</description>
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		<title>By: Garst</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/pentagon-hack-attack.html#comment-1126179</link>
		<dc:creator>Garst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll remember this if the government ever tried to hack my computer. I won&#039;t tolerate treasonous government scumbags.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll remember this if the government ever tried to hack my computer. I won&#8217;t tolerate treasonous government scumbags.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/pentagon-hack-attack.html#comment-1125927</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe we could just pass a law that says all generals and world leaders have really big penises, honest they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we could just pass a law that says all generals and world leaders have really big penises, honest they do.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/pentagon-hack-attack.html#comment-1125674</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Soooo.... if another nation (let&#039;s say &quot;Nari&quot;) is attacked by some sort of computer worm (let&#039;s say &quot;TenXuts&quot;), is this nation within its right to retaliate, with, let&#039;s say a &quot;ecived raelcun?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Soooo&#8230;. if another nation (let&#8217;s say &#8220;Nari&#8221;) is attacked by some sort of computer worm (let&#8217;s say &#8220;TenXuts&#8221;), is this nation within its right to retaliate, with, let&#8217;s say a &#8220;ecived raelcun?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: CANTFIGHTTHEDITE</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/pentagon-hack-attack.html#comment-1125932</link>
		<dc:creator>CANTFIGHTTHEDITE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+1 and BINGO!!!

I wonder how it affects the definition of treason?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+1 and BINGO!!!</p>
<p>I wonder how it affects the definition of treason?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/pentagon-hack-attack.html#comment-1125681</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooops - two ahead of me.  Guess I have to settle for the bronze.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooops &#8211; two ahead of me.  Guess I have to settle for the bronze.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/pentagon-hack-attack.html#comment-1126199</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well keep in mind the WSJ and NYT are newspapers based in the *United States*, and the Pentagon is the HQ for the armed forces of the *United States*.

Since when are American institutions supposed to consider people in other nations the exact same as its own people? Guess what, guys - most people in other countries don&#039;t place Americans&#039; welfare above their own either.

As for &quot;hacking&quot; considered an act of war, the more accurate term is cyber attack (like the Stuxnet incident) rather than plain old cyber exploitation (what 99% of hacking is).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well keep in mind the WSJ and NYT are newspapers based in the *United States*, and the Pentagon is the HQ for the armed forces of the *United States*.</p>
<p>Since when are American institutions supposed to consider people in other nations the exact same as its own people? Guess what, guys &#8211; most people in other countries don&#8217;t place Americans&#8217; welfare above their own either.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;hacking&#8221; considered an act of war, the more accurate term is cyber attack (like the Stuxnet incident) rather than plain old cyber exploitation (what 99% of hacking is).</p>
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		<title>By: hooch66</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/pentagon-hack-attack.html#comment-1125689</link>
		<dc:creator>hooch66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does it really matter anymore? The last few years have shown that the President of the United States can start wars and attack countries whenever he pleases. They don&#039;t even have to tell us about it or justify why the did it. Just so long as they don&#039;t actually declare &quot;war&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does it really matter anymore? The last few years have shown that the President of the United States can start wars and attack countries whenever he pleases. They don&#8217;t even have to tell us about it or justify why the did it. Just so long as they don&#8217;t actually declare &#8220;war&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: arikol</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/pentagon-hack-attack.html#comment-1125692</link>
		<dc:creator>arikol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avram, you&#039;re quick! (beat me to it)

But seriously, if a private individual in britain hacks the USA powergrid, are they going to bomb London?
What if it&#039;s a private individual in Kyrgyzstan?

So, if Bin Laden&#039;s successor wants to get the American war machine to a specific place he sends his buddy to  that country to hack a US system using a known hack? &quot;ACCCHHHHHH, the morals of those dirty (group of Muslims) has strayed too far from Allah. Let&#039;s trick the stupid Americans into attacking them to show them the wrath of Allah&quot;

or

&quot;Mr. President. Craplakistan has a bunch of oil and other stuff we can mess around with. Should we send someone there to hack our systems so we have a reason to attack?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avram, you&#8217;re quick! (beat me to it)</p>
<p>But seriously, if a private individual in britain hacks the USA powergrid, are they going to bomb London?<br />
What if it&#8217;s a private individual in Kyrgyzstan?</p>
<p>So, if Bin Laden&#8217;s successor wants to get the American war machine to a specific place he sends his buddy to  that country to hack a US system using a known hack? &#8220;ACCCHHHHHH, the morals of those dirty (group of Muslims) has strayed too far from Allah. Let&#8217;s trick the stupid Americans into attacking them to show them the wrath of Allah&#8221;</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>&#8220;Mr. President. Craplakistan has a bunch of oil and other stuff we can mess around with. Should we send someone there to hack our systems so we have a reason to attack?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: wylkyn</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/pentagon-hack-attack.html#comment-1125704</link>
		<dc:creator>wylkyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Pentagon: taking &quot;Internet Tough Guy&quot; to a whole new level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Pentagon: taking &#8220;Internet Tough Guy&#8221; to a whole new level.</p>
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		<title>By: imag</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/pentagon-hack-attack.html#comment-1125708</link>
		<dc:creator>imag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reality is that they have to do this.  Digital attacks can be at least as harmful as traditional attacks.

And Stuxnet is a great example of that.  It was indeed an act of war, and was much more effective than cruise missiles or troops.

I don&#039;t like having more wars - and I lament the fact that this policy opens the door to massive retribution for simple attacks - but it seems obvious that digital attacks are already offer some of the best cost/benefit offenses out there and their use will only escalate.  This policy is both realistic and an attempt by the Pentagon to scare any government considering such attacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reality is that they have to do this.  Digital attacks can be at least as harmful as traditional attacks.</p>
<p>And Stuxnet is a great example of that.  It was indeed an act of war, and was much more effective than cruise missiles or troops.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like having more wars &#8211; and I lament the fact that this policy opens the door to massive retribution for simple attacks &#8211; but it seems obvious that digital attacks are already offer some of the best cost/benefit offenses out there and their use will only escalate.  This policy is both realistic and an attempt by the Pentagon to scare any government considering such attacks.</p>
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		<title>By: BookGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>BookGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Jessi Slaughter&#039;s parents thought she had it rough....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Jessi Slaughter&#8217;s parents thought she had it rough&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/pentagon-hack-attack.html#comment-1125715</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, it is not the first time. I&#039;d been linking an article over a year back from 2009

http://www.stripes.com/news/official-no-options-off-the-table-for-u-s-response-to-cyber-attacks-1.91319

for friends. If you are familiar with the publication (and being from a military family - I am), you would have taken it as a serious indication of position even back in 2009. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it is not the first time. I&#8217;d been linking an article over a year back from 2009</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stripes.com/news/official-no-options-off-the-table-for-u-s-response-to-cyber-attacks-1.91319" rel="nofollow">http://www.stripes.com/news/official-no-options-off-the-table-for-u-s-response-to-cyber-attacks-1.91319</a></p>
<p>for friends. If you are familiar with the publication (and being from a military family &#8211; I am), you would have taken it as a serious indication of position even back in 2009. </p>
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		<title>By: semiotix</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/05/31/pentagon-hack-attack.html#comment-1125721</link>
		<dc:creator>semiotix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize this kind of news is perfect wadding for armchair revolutionaries to stuff in their snark cannons, but it&#039;s hard to see how the Pentagon is telling us anything we didn&#039;t already know they&#039;d do. The right kind of hack-warfare could do tremendous economic damage, and could also cost human lives or wreck infrastructure. 

Of course we&#039;d retaliate, disproportionately if we could, and not necessarily with a cyber-attack in kind. And that retaliation would enjoy enormous popular support. Sure, things could go wrong: in particular, really truly demigod-level cyber-shenanigans could make us think it was Iran when really it was North Korea. But that&#039;s the nature of the weapon, and of asymmetrical warfare.

Realistically, as long as there&#039;s a Pentagon to issue press releases, the Pentagon is going to say this and it will always have been the official policy. Because the alternative is the Pentagon saying, &quot;Boy, I hope nobody attacks us via the internet, because we are royally fucked if that happens. Enemies of freedom, please do not cyber-threaten us as that would leave us powerless to respond!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize this kind of news is perfect wadding for armchair revolutionaries to stuff in their snark cannons, but it&#8217;s hard to see how the Pentagon is telling us anything we didn&#8217;t already know they&#8217;d do. The right kind of hack-warfare could do tremendous economic damage, and could also cost human lives or wreck infrastructure. </p>
<p>Of course we&#8217;d retaliate, disproportionately if we could, and not necessarily with a cyber-attack in kind. And that retaliation would enjoy enormous popular support. Sure, things could go wrong: in particular, really truly demigod-level cyber-shenanigans could make us think it was Iran when really it was North Korea. But that&#8217;s the nature of the weapon, and of asymmetrical warfare.</p>
<p>Realistically, as long as there&#8217;s a Pentagon to issue press releases, the Pentagon is going to say this and it will always have been the official policy. Because the alternative is the Pentagon saying, &#8220;Boy, I hope nobody attacks us via the internet, because we are royally fucked if that happens. Enemies of freedom, please do not cyber-threaten us as that would leave us powerless to respond!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pentagon: Hacking can count as an act of war...unless WE do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pentagon: Hacking can count as an act of war&#8230;unless WE do it.</p>
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		<title>By: peterbruells</title>
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		<description>Of course not.  *That* was justified self defence .. err an humanitarian action.. SAY ARE YOU A TRAITOR?</description>
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		<title>By: semiotix</title>
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		<description>...that having taken way too long to draft, I see that the conversation has essentially lapped me. But just to add a few other quick thoughts:

â€¢ You betcha Stuxnet was an act of war. Iran would respond with missiles down our smokestacks if it could, and is probably working very hard on a more asymmetrical response, whether electronic in nature or otherwise. The question then becomes was it worth it in terms of slowing down their bomb-making calendar, and in terms of letting the rest of the world know that we could be lurking in their light-switches. That, I don&#039;t really know enough to argue one way or the other.

â€¢ The nightmare scenario is indeed that a clever, apolitical teenager in Armenia shuts down LAX&#039;s air traffic control tower for lulz. But think of it this way: a Russian MiG on a strafing run and a guy in a weather-balloon-lofted lawn chair with a machine gun could do similar amounts of damage. But you&#039;d never confuse the one for the other. Stuxnet wasn&#039;t just brilliant (and effective only because it was brilliant), it was the sort of thing where it could never have been cooked up by one person. FOR NOW, there&#039;s a difference between state-funded crackery and what goes on for lulz. When and if that stops being true, well, you know, may you live in interesting times.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;that having taken way too long to draft, I see that the conversation has essentially lapped me. But just to add a few other quick thoughts:</p>
<p>â€¢ You betcha Stuxnet was an act of war. Iran would respond with missiles down our smokestacks if it could, and is probably working very hard on a more asymmetrical response, whether electronic in nature or otherwise. The question then becomes was it worth it in terms of slowing down their bomb-making calendar, and in terms of letting the rest of the world know that we could be lurking in their light-switches. That, I don&#8217;t really know enough to argue one way or the other.</p>
<p>â€¢ The nightmare scenario is indeed that a clever, apolitical teenager in Armenia shuts down LAX&#8217;s air traffic control tower for lulz. But think of it this way: a Russian MiG on a strafing run and a guy in a weather-balloon-lofted lawn chair with a machine gun could do similar amounts of damage. But you&#8217;d never confuse the one for the other. Stuxnet wasn&#8217;t just brilliant (and effective only because it was brilliant), it was the sort of thing where it could never have been cooked up by one person. FOR NOW, there&#8217;s a difference between state-funded crackery and what goes on for lulz. When and if that stops being true, well, you know, may you live in interesting times.</p>
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		<title>By: davidasposted</title>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I realize this kind of news is perfect wadding for armchair revolutionaries to stuff in their snark cannons ... &lt;/i&gt;

Do not begrudge us our snark cannons. We use them in order to cope in a world that is in practice without the rule of law. Our snark is analogous to gallows humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I realize this kind of news is perfect wadding for armchair revolutionaries to stuff in their snark cannons &#8230; </i></p>
<p>Do not begrudge us our snark cannons. We use them in order to cope in a world that is in practice without the rule of law. Our snark is analogous to gallows humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Gulliver</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How long till Anonymous spoofs Switzerland?</description>
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