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	<title>Comments on: NATO fears Anonymous, Wikileaks as &quot;threat to member-states&#039;&#160;security&quot;</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1127436</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon is not a good thing. Its essentially putting potent cyberweapons at the hands of a few. Nothing good about distributed power at the hands of a few. A recent example of anon power abuse was their ddos on a relatively benign drug enthusiast community the DMT Nexus. Their reasoning behind the attack was that members of the site obfuscated their online identity for quite obvious legal reasons. Apparently that&#039;s either a threat to anon or whatever they stand for, but to me it just looks like someone who makes decisions at anon had personal issues with admins/mods at the site. They even posted extensive personal details about mods/admins on the web publicly. Personal info and family info, not good at all. 

But the powers at be are right to fear it for the wrong reasons. They fear any substantial element of power not in their control, and if used properly or inproperly anon could do some serious damage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon is not a good thing. Its essentially putting potent cyberweapons at the hands of a few. Nothing good about distributed power at the hands of a few. A recent example of anon power abuse was their ddos on a relatively benign drug enthusiast community the DMT Nexus. Their reasoning behind the attack was that members of the site obfuscated their online identity for quite obvious legal reasons. Apparently that&#8217;s either a threat to anon or whatever they stand for, but to me it just looks like someone who makes decisions at anon had personal issues with admins/mods at the site. They even posted extensive personal details about mods/admins on the web publicly. Personal info and family info, not good at all. </p>
<p>But the powers at be are right to fear it for the wrong reasons. They fear any substantial element of power not in their control, and if used properly or inproperly anon could do some serious damage.</p>
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		<title>By: bwcbwc</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1127184</link>
		<dc:creator>bwcbwc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, well they&#039;re right about anonymous being a threat to their security. Look at how Sony&#039;s PSN was completely hacked under the guise of a DDoS attack by anonymous. Not saying anonymous did the PSN hack, but even if they didn&#039;t, they can be used by other groups as a front for their own ends. 

On the other hand, how can the security of a democratic society be threatened by the free flow of information? To have proper representation, the people must be able to make informed decisions about their votes. The fact that the US government is now more about restricting information to its own citizens than disseminating information is a sea-change. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, well they&#8217;re right about anonymous being a threat to their security. Look at how Sony&#8217;s PSN was completely hacked under the guise of a DDoS attack by anonymous. Not saying anonymous did the PSN hack, but even if they didn&#8217;t, they can be used by other groups as a front for their own ends. </p>
<p>On the other hand, how can the security of a democratic society be threatened by the free flow of information? To have proper representation, the people must be able to make informed decisions about their votes. The fact that the US government is now more about restricting information to its own citizens than disseminating information is a sea-change. </p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1128976</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Pretty soon all ideas will be considered enemies of the state.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I kind of think they already are now.  Ideas are only legal for the 1% of the richest Americans.. all others harboring ideas shall have them confiscated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Pretty soon all ideas will be considered enemies of the state.</p></blockquote>
<p>I kind of think they already are now.  Ideas are only legal for the 1% of the richest Americans.. all others harboring ideas shall have them confiscated.</p>
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		<title>By: Church</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1127188</link>
		<dc:creator>Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I can&#039;t imagine a better recruiting campaign for Wikileaks. &quot;NATO claims WIkileaks is badass.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I can&#8217;t imagine a better recruiting campaign for Wikileaks. &#8220;NATO claims WIkileaks is badass.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: planchette</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1127444</link>
		<dc:creator>planchette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that is awesome..&quot;US Chamber of Commerce and defence contractor HBGary ... promise to &#039;persecute&#039; its members.&quot;.

your honor, the persecution has no further questions or thumbscrews at this time, but we reserve the right to re-flay the witness at a later date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that is awesome..&#8221;US Chamber of Commerce and defence contractor HBGary &#8230; promise to &#8216;persecute&#8217; its members.&#8221;.</p>
<p>your honor, the persecution has no further questions or thumbscrews at this time, but we reserve the right to re-flay the witness at a later date.</p>
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		<title>By: Goblin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1127966</link>
		<dc:creator>Goblin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your understanding of the paragraph logically ignores the word &quot;suspect&quot;. If that words was not used at all you would have a point. However, we cannot logically conclude that the author was stating that PVT Manning actually &quot;did it&quot; without ignoring the word suspect. Its only logical to conclude that the words you take issue with are a simple re-statement of the charges against Manning. 

You may not realize it but you are attempting a classic politician&#039;s hairsplit. You are selectively ignoring the main idea of the paragraph (That he is simply a suspect) while you push your own counter-narrative, which you have found support for by ignoring that word &quot;suspect&quot; and used the rest of the words behind it. And this selective ignorance is designed so you will emotionally engage people to your side. This is what you &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt; NATO to say, even if that&#039;s not what was said.

I still think you could use a few grammar lessons. If only so you could learn how imperfect a system it is.  
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your understanding of the paragraph logically ignores the word &#8220;suspect&#8221;. If that words was not used at all you would have a point. However, we cannot logically conclude that the author was stating that PVT Manning actually &#8220;did it&#8221; without ignoring the word suspect. Its only logical to conclude that the words you take issue with are a simple re-statement of the charges against Manning. </p>
<p>You may not realize it but you are attempting a classic politician&#8217;s hairsplit. You are selectively ignoring the main idea of the paragraph (That he is simply a suspect) while you push your own counter-narrative, which you have found support for by ignoring that word &#8220;suspect&#8221; and used the rest of the words behind it. And this selective ignorance is designed so you will emotionally engage people to your side. This is what you <i>want</i> NATO to say, even if that&#8217;s not what was said.</p>
<p>I still think you could use a few grammar lessons. If only so you could learn how imperfect a system it is.  </p>
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		<title>By: emmdeeaych</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1127214</link>
		<dc:creator>emmdeeaych</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where has he said he passed them along. Far as i know that&#039;s an allegation as well. Citation? happy to be wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where has he said he passed them along. Far as i know that&#8217;s an allegation as well. Citation? happy to be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Goblin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1127738</link>
		<dc:creator>Goblin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check your grammer. 

You are incorrectly reading the subordinate clause of the sentence, &quot;&lt;i&gt;who had downloaded the information from a computer in Kuwait&lt;/i&gt;&quot;. This clause modifies both &lt;i&gt;material&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;PVT Manning&lt;/i&gt; it is not the main idea. If you read the main part of the sentence you will discover that PVT Manning is simply &lt;i&gt;suspected&lt;/i&gt;, and we can infer that this subordinate clause is part of that accusation entailed by the word suspect.    </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check your grammer. </p>
<p>You are incorrectly reading the subordinate clause of the sentence, &#8220;<i>who had downloaded the information from a computer in Kuwait</i>&#8220;. This clause modifies both <i>material</i> and <i>PVT Manning</i> it is not the main idea. If you read the main part of the sentence you will discover that PVT Manning is simply <i>suspected</i>, and we can infer that this subordinate clause is part of that accusation entailed by the word suspect.    </p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1127994</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;it is not the gruesome spectacle of their own bloodlust that keeps them awake at night, no, it is that Wikileaks might shine at light on them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Shine a light on roaches and they scurry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>it is not the gruesome spectacle of their own bloodlust that keeps them awake at night, no, it is that Wikileaks might shine at light on them.</p></blockquote>
<p>Shine a light on roaches and they scurry.</p>
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		<title>By: rebus</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1128006</link>
		<dc:creator>rebus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Anonymous isn&#039;t a group it&#039;s an idea.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We have been at war with an idea for the last ten years. Pretty soon all ideas will be considered  enemies of the state. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Anonymous isn&#8217;t a group it&#8217;s an idea.</p></blockquote>
<p>We have been at war with an idea for the last ten years. Pretty soon all ideas will be considered  enemies of the state. </p>
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		<title>By: emmdeeaych</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1126993</link>
		<dc:creator>emmdeeaych</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh yes, shooting the messenger. </description>
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		<title>By: nuschu</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1126997</link>
		<dc:creator>nuschu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HBGary, breaking down barriers by de-fencing the world...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HBGary, breaking down barriers by de-fencing the world&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1126999</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not just shooting the messenger, but through some fucked up logic blaming the messenger.

THIS IS WHY WE CAN&#039;T HAVE NICE THINGS ANON!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not just shooting the messenger, but through some fucked up logic blaming the messenger.</p>
<p>THIS IS WHY WE CAN&#8217;T HAVE NICE THINGS ANON!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1127001</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously. What about the fact that the US Chamber of Commerce and defence contractor HBGary were both developing programs to attack civilians. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously. What about the fact that the US Chamber of Commerce and defence contractor HBGary were both developing programs to attack civilians. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1130074</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, well I&#039;m glad they are a threat to security. If a government ever becomes to corrupt for it&#039;s own good and stops focusing on what the PEOPLE, the CITIZENS need then I hope someone or a group will stop them. Anonymous for the most part,as of now, has no interest in greed. 

The PSN hack they hacked into the credit card database, not for money, but to distrust Sony. And they succeeded. Any Credit Card theft has been proven false. They have no interest in material things. it&#039;s a shame that it hurt the consumer though and the developer though, that I disagree with them. What most people don&#039;t know is that the reason was not just because they removed the &#039;Other OS&#039; feature, there were many reasons. 

I hope the group continues as long as their motivation stays selfless. Stay strong Anonymous.

Stand your ground Anonymous.
And don&#039;t back down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, well I&#8217;m glad they are a threat to security. If a government ever becomes to corrupt for it&#8217;s own good and stops focusing on what the PEOPLE, the CITIZENS need then I hope someone or a group will stop them. Anonymous for the most part,as of now, has no interest in greed. </p>
<p>The PSN hack they hacked into the credit card database, not for money, but to distrust Sony. And they succeeded. Any Credit Card theft has been proven false. They have no interest in material things. it&#8217;s a shame that it hurt the consumer though and the developer though, that I disagree with them. What most people don&#8217;t know is that the reason was not just because they removed the &#8216;Other OS&#8217; feature, there were many reasons. </p>
<p>I hope the group continues as long as their motivation stays selfless. Stay strong Anonymous.</p>
<p>Stand your ground Anonymous.<br />
And don&#8217;t back down.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1127003</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous is just another tool for civil society to reign in the elite few.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous is just another tool for civil society to reign in the elite few.</p>
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		<title>By: teapot</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1127259</link>
		<dc:creator>teapot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa! Only 22 comments and already 6 of them are from Anonymous members.

This danger must be bigger than NATO thinks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa! Only 22 comments and already 6 of them are from Anonymous members.</p>
<p>This danger must be bigger than NATO thinks!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1127010</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing like good ol&#039; fashioned persecution. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing like good ol&#8217; fashioned persecution. </p>
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		<title>By: pmocek</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1127270</link>
		<dc:creator>pmocek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@13 I linked to the report, referred to a specific paragraph, and quoted it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@13 I linked to the report, referred to a specific paragraph, and quoted it.</p>
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		<title>By: dross1260</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1127017</link>
		<dc:creator>dross1260</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark your calendars. &quot;This yearâ€™s exercise, Cyber Endeavor will take place on 5-22 September in GrafenwÃ¶hr, Germany.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark your calendars. &#8220;This yearâ€™s exercise, Cyber Endeavor will take place on 5-22 September in GrafenwÃ¶hr, Germany.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: emmdeeaych</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1127018</link>
		<dc:creator>emmdeeaych</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear rulers of the world, your need for secrecy has outstripped your ability to keep it.  That&#039;s nobodies fault but your own.  Also, do we still think this is about military or civilian infrastructure  targets? 

I think this is still about privately-held transnational banks. I&#039;m still waiting on those leaks. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear rulers of the world, your need for secrecy has outstripped your ability to keep it.  That&#8217;s nobodies fault but your own.  Also, do we still think this is about military or civilian infrastructure  targets? </p>
<p>I think this is still about privately-held transnational banks. I&#8217;m still waiting on those leaks. </p>
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		<title>By: teapot</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1127274</link>
		<dc:creator>teapot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hatter: pmocek&#039;s point is that it &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; an allegation, yet the report&#039;s wording implies that it is fact.

(You both agree)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hatter: pmocek&#8217;s point is that it <i>is</i> an allegation, yet the report&#8217;s wording implies that it is fact.</p>
<p>(You both agree)</p>
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		<title>By: amanicdroid</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1127533</link>
		<dc:creator>amanicdroid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This just in, US governmental body sock puppet says leaking of government is bad. In other news, a full 97% of anonymous internet commenters continue to not RTFA.

More after this commercial break about the wonders of Hypnoxiprin. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just in, US governmental body sock puppet says leaking of government is bad. In other news, a full 97% of anonymous internet commenters continue to not RTFA.</p>
<p>More after this commercial break about the wonders of Hypnoxiprin. </p>
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		<title>By: desiredusername</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1127026</link>
		<dc:creator>desiredusername</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those that haven&#039;t read it, it&#039;s mostly a non-policy document. It just recounts the sides that say diplomats should adapt to transparency vs. the incompatibility of that in regard to security operations. It also analyzes the type of attacks and considers that &quot;someone&quot; will likely infiltrate Anonymous and prosecute members if this continues. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those that haven&#8217;t read it, it&#8217;s mostly a non-policy document. It just recounts the sides that say diplomats should adapt to transparency vs. the incompatibility of that in regard to security operations. It also analyzes the type of attacks and considers that &#8220;someone&#8221; will likely infiltrate Anonymous and prosecute members if this continues. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1127027</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe if the gov stopped outsourcing it&#039;s responsibilities to private firms like blackwater and did their fucking job this wouldn&#039;t be an issue. fire some over paid generals hire a few hundred IT guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe if the gov stopped outsourcing it&#8217;s responsibilities to private firms like blackwater and did their fucking job this wouldn&#8217;t be an issue. fire some over paid generals hire a few hundred IT guys.</p>
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		<title>By: travtastic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1127028</link>
		<dc:creator>travtastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Expect convenient car crashes and drug overdoses soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Expect convenient car crashes and drug overdoses soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1127541</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NATO has &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.virginmedia.com/images/1moviebody-fear-and-loathing.jpg&quot;&gt;got the fear&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NATO has <a href="http://www.virginmedia.com/images/1moviebody-fear-and-loathing.jpg">got the fear</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: travtastic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1127286</link>
		<dc:creator>travtastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re probably going to take that and assume that 24% of the population is Anonymous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re probably going to take that and assume that 24% of the population is Anonymous.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1127031</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Dear rulers of the world, your need for secrecy has outstripped your ability to keep it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If you embroidered that on throw pillows, you could make a killing on Etsy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dear rulers of the world, your need for secrecy has outstripped your ability to keep it.</p></blockquote>
<p>If you embroidered that on throw pillows, you could make a killing on Etsy.</p>
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		<title>By: pmocek</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/01/nato-fears-anonymous.html#comment-1127033</link>
		<dc:creator>pmocek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paragraph 14 of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nato-pa.int/default.asp?SHORTCUT=2443&quot;&gt;the draft report&lt;/a&gt; falsely states that WikiLeaks published 250K cables last November, and states unproven accusations about Bradley manning as fact (emphasis added):

&lt;blockquote&gt;
In &lt;b&gt;November 2010, WikiLeaks published about 250,000 confidential US diplomatic cables&lt;/b&gt;, which provided US diplomatsâ€™ candid assessments of terrorist threats and the behaviour of world leaders.[10] Currently, the US authorities suspect that the material was leaked by Private Bradley Manning stationed in the Persian Gulf, &lt;b&gt;who had downloaded the information&lt;/b&gt; from a computer in Kuwait. He &lt;b&gt;then passed these files on&lt;/b&gt; to the â€œwhistleblowerâ€ organization, which made them public.
[...]
[10]   Leaked Cables Offer Raw Look at U.S. Diplomacy. By Scott Shane and Andrew W.Lehren. The New York Times. 28 November 2010.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Paragraph 21 states that General Rapporteur Lord Jopling (UK), believes that states and corporations have the same right to privacy that individuals do:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
That said, the Rapporteur believes that even if one is in favour of transparency, military and intelligence operations simply cannot be planned and consulted with the public. Transparency cannot exist without control. The &lt;b&gt;government&lt;/b&gt;, and especially its security agencies, &lt;b&gt;must have the right to limit access to information&lt;/b&gt; in order to govern and to protect. This is &lt;b&gt;based on the premise that states and corporations have the right to privacy as much as individuals do&lt;/b&gt; and that secrecy is required for efficient management of the state institutions and organizations. In addition, transparency can be misused on several levels â€“ by providing unprofessional or poor-quality interpretation of information or documents, by conducting superficial or biased analysis, by lack of experience on the topic or by pursuing a political agenda. Thus, not everything carried out under the â€œtransparency labelâ€ is necessarily good for the government and its people. Moreover, the very ideal of transparency can also force public figures to become more secretive.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paragraph 14 of <a href="http://www.nato-pa.int/default.asp?SHORTCUT=2443">the draft report</a> falsely states that WikiLeaks published 250K cables last November, and states unproven accusations about Bradley manning as fact (emphasis added):</p>
<blockquote><p>
In <b>November 2010, WikiLeaks published about 250,000 confidential US diplomatic cables</b>, which provided US diplomatsâ€™ candid assessments of terrorist threats and the behaviour of world leaders.[10] Currently, the US authorities suspect that the material was leaked by Private Bradley Manning stationed in the Persian Gulf, <b>who had downloaded the information</b> from a computer in Kuwait. He <b>then passed these files on</b> to the â€œwhistleblowerâ€ organization, which made them public.<br />
[...]<br />
[10]   Leaked Cables Offer Raw Look at U.S. Diplomacy. By Scott Shane and Andrew W.Lehren. The New York Times. 28 November 2010.
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<p>Paragraph 21 states that General Rapporteur Lord Jopling (UK), believes that states and corporations have the same right to privacy that individuals do:</p>
<blockquote><p>
That said, the Rapporteur believes that even if one is in favour of transparency, military and intelligence operations simply cannot be planned and consulted with the public. Transparency cannot exist without control. The <b>government</b>, and especially its security agencies, <b>must have the right to limit access to information</b> in order to govern and to protect. This is <b>based on the premise that states and corporations have the right to privacy as much as individuals do</b> and that secrecy is required for efficient management of the state institutions and organizations. In addition, transparency can be misused on several levels â€“ by providing unprofessional or poor-quality interpretation of information or documents, by conducting superficial or biased analysis, by lack of experience on the topic or by pursuing a political agenda. Thus, not everything carried out under the â€œtransparency labelâ€ is necessarily good for the government and its people. Moreover, the very ideal of transparency can also force public figures to become more secretive.
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