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	<title>Comments on: Lockdown High: how schools put the emphasis on crime, security and violence instead of freedom and&#160;education</title>
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		<title>By: Trixi</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/09/lockdown-high-how-sc.html#comment-1133824</link>
		<dc:creator>Trixi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if people will think this is all for the public good when The Thought Police are out and about and we are saluting Big Brother. </description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teachers wiping phones and computers? It&#039;s an elaborate plot to sell backup software!

(Actually, I don&#039;t think software companies have enough lobbyists to make it work this way)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teachers wiping phones and computers? It&#8217;s an elaborate plot to sell backup software!</p>
<p>(Actually, I don&#8217;t think software companies have enough lobbyists to make it work this way)</p>
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		<title>By: Wormman</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/09/lockdown-high-how-sc.html#comment-1134337</link>
		<dc:creator>Wormman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While Cory is not by any means a teacher basher, it would be nice every now and then if he recognised that the whole lockdown culture is not a one sided affair, but more a positive feedback loop which operates between parents and the community who want their spawn to be educated in a homogenous, sterile, &quot;safe&quot; environment, and education authorities who are too spineless to stand up to them and draw the line somewhere. Teachers are just as much caught in the middle of this whole mess as the students - I&#039;d prefer not to have to confiscate phones and other devices off kids - I&#039;d like to use them in my classes so that they can see their true potential. We just have to follow the directives placed on us by our employers and the expectations of the parents. We could rise up and reject it, but that would probably be classified as industrial action and when was the last time parents came out in support of a teachers&#039; strike in any numbers? Nope - too darn inconvenient that they have to look after their own children for a day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Cory is not by any means a teacher basher, it would be nice every now and then if he recognised that the whole lockdown culture is not a one sided affair, but more a positive feedback loop which operates between parents and the community who want their spawn to be educated in a homogenous, sterile, &#8220;safe&#8221; environment, and education authorities who are too spineless to stand up to them and draw the line somewhere. Teachers are just as much caught in the middle of this whole mess as the students &#8211; I&#8217;d prefer not to have to confiscate phones and other devices off kids &#8211; I&#8217;d like to use them in my classes so that they can see their true potential. We just have to follow the directives placed on us by our employers and the expectations of the parents. We could rise up and reject it, but that would probably be classified as industrial action and when was the last time parents came out in support of a teachers&#8217; strike in any numbers? Nope &#8211; too darn inconvenient that they have to look after their own children for a day.</p>
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		<title>By: Abdul Alhazred</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/09/lockdown-high-how-sc.html#comment-1133830</link>
		<dc:creator>Abdul Alhazred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>USA public schools -- at least inner city ones -- are often in effect &quot;service academies&quot; to prepare pupils for their future in prison.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>USA public schools &#8212; at least inner city ones &#8212; are often in effect &#8220;service academies&#8221; to prepare pupils for their future in prison.   </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/09/lockdown-high-how-sc.html#comment-1133831</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh dear, that&#039;s spurious.

I think you meant

&quot;LulzSec; you know, the techno best-practice supporters who are identifying slapdash high-profile operators who won&#039;t think twice about failing to secure customers&#039; data to a minimum legal requirement but will instead threaten to sue to stop them pointing out their mistakes.&quot;

Good grief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear, that&#8217;s spurious.</p>
<p>I think you meant</p>
<p>&#8220;LulzSec; you know, the techno best-practice supporters who are identifying slapdash high-profile operators who won&#8217;t think twice about failing to secure customers&#8217; data to a minimum legal requirement but will instead threaten to sue to stop them pointing out their mistakes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good grief.</p>
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		<title>By: Drabula</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/09/lockdown-high-how-sc.html#comment-1133836</link>
		<dc:creator>Drabula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>man, i&#039;m glad i grew up free range. sometimes i think....this post-modern
 madness...is irreversible. overpopulation, dwindling resources, poor education, wealth concentration. i don&#039;t love being middle aged but i&#039;m glad i came of age in the 70s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>man, i&#8217;m glad i grew up free range. sometimes i think&#8230;.this post-modern<br />
 madness&#8230;is irreversible. overpopulation, dwindling resources, poor education, wealth concentration. i don&#8217;t love being middle aged but i&#8217;m glad i came of age in the 70s.</p>
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		<title>By: g0d5m15t4k3</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/09/lockdown-high-how-sc.html#comment-1133857</link>
		<dc:creator>g0d5m15t4k3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the reasons I&#039;m terrified to have children. I don&#039;t want to raise them in this society. Kids aren&#039;t encouraged to use their brains, they are encouraged to follow the rules and don&#039;t ask questions. I am glad I graduated highschool on the cusp of this freedom/lockdown change. My senior year, there was only one entrance into the school that was not locked and guarded by cops. Exits were one way and would alarm if you propped them open. Prior to my senior year, you could come and go (mostly) as you please. The hall monitors and cops got to know who was allowed in and out. Those who went to work, tech school, left early because they had early classes, people taking college courses. Everyone else was questioned and held.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the reasons I&#8217;m terrified to have children. I don&#8217;t want to raise them in this society. Kids aren&#8217;t encouraged to use their brains, they are encouraged to follow the rules and don&#8217;t ask questions. I am glad I graduated highschool on the cusp of this freedom/lockdown change. My senior year, there was only one entrance into the school that was not locked and guarded by cops. Exits were one way and would alarm if you propped them open. Prior to my senior year, you could come and go (mostly) as you please. The hall monitors and cops got to know who was allowed in and out. Those who went to work, tech school, left early because they had early classes, people taking college courses. Everyone else was questioned and held.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Every morning, I walk my daughter to day-care, a ten minute walk in which we pass about 50 CCTVs, ending with the two over the outer and inner doors to the day-care itself. However, once we get there, there is a sign warning us that we&#039;re not allowed to use our phones &quot;as many phones are equipped with cameras&quot; and that this is for the children&#039;s safety.&quot;

So in conclusion:  SCKOOL CAMERAS OK!  PERSONAL CAMERA NOT OK

Yes, school is spelled wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Every morning, I walk my daughter to day-care, a ten minute walk in which we pass about 50 CCTVs, ending with the two over the outer and inner doors to the day-care itself. However, once we get there, there is a sign warning us that we&#8217;re not allowed to use our phones &#8220;as many phones are equipped with cameras&#8221; and that this is for the children&#8217;s safety.&#8221;</p>
<p>So in conclusion:  SCKOOL CAMERAS OK!  PERSONAL CAMERA NOT OK</p>
<p>Yes, school is spelled wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: ad_absurdum</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/09/lockdown-high-how-sc.html#comment-1133864</link>
		<dc:creator>ad_absurdum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  I know at least in the US, and probably elsewhere, it&#039;s not a simple problem that can be fixed by just changing school district policy.  

It begins with parents who don&#039;t care (or care but unfortunately must be absent to bring financial support) and the crap media that melts American minds.  Ignorance is glorified.  While grade schoolers have always had a &quot;fuck the system&quot; attitude, at least in the past rebellious students educated themselves by getting vocational skills.

Now, the mainstream media shows that any dumbass that wants to exploit themselves can be successful, or at least famous, so why try to do anything but entertain or get your mugshot on the news?  Parents aren&#039;t there to encourage productive and studious behavior, or they have also bought into the crap media (balloon boy?).

It&#039;s disgusting, especially because this is all a side effect of free speech and family privacy.  How do we turn around without infringing liberties?  Based on the UK&#039;s school problem, cutting back on free speech and privacy doesn&#039;t seem to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  I know at least in the US, and probably elsewhere, it&#8217;s not a simple problem that can be fixed by just changing school district policy.  </p>
<p>It begins with parents who don&#8217;t care (or care but unfortunately must be absent to bring financial support) and the crap media that melts American minds.  Ignorance is glorified.  While grade schoolers have always had a &#8220;fuck the system&#8221; attitude, at least in the past rebellious students educated themselves by getting vocational skills.</p>
<p>Now, the mainstream media shows that any dumbass that wants to exploit themselves can be successful, or at least famous, so why try to do anything but entertain or get your mugshot on the news?  Parents aren&#8217;t there to encourage productive and studious behavior, or they have also bought into the crap media (balloon boy?).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s disgusting, especially because this is all a side effect of free speech and family privacy.  How do we turn around without infringing liberties?  Based on the UK&#8217;s school problem, cutting back on free speech and privacy doesn&#8217;t seem to work.</p>
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		<title>By: simonbarsinister</title>
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		<dc:creator>simonbarsinister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These comments are the opposite of my experience in High School 25 years ago. Students left the school and walked or drove to the local mall for lunch. Bullying never got more physical than pushing. Students were able to &quot;stand up&quot; to teachers and administrators if they felt strongly about something. The building and grounds were open for use after school and on weekends, without any problems.

Now I home school my kids and every time I hear about some zero-common-sense policy I am glad it isn&#039;t infecting my kids with a tolerance for authoritarianism.

My son tried public school in third grade for a month and came back to homeschooling in disgust because &quot;they had us counting cheerios and I asked the teacher when we would get to division and she said not this year.&quot;
We had a laugh yesterday because the school had decided that because students weren&#039;t learning enough under the current policies they would extend the school year another 3 weeks into the summer and add more homework. My son said, &quot;How will 3 more weeks of counting cheerios teach them division?&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These comments are the opposite of my experience in High School 25 years ago. Students left the school and walked or drove to the local mall for lunch. Bullying never got more physical than pushing. Students were able to &#8220;stand up&#8221; to teachers and administrators if they felt strongly about something. The building and grounds were open for use after school and on weekends, without any problems.</p>
<p>Now I home school my kids and every time I hear about some zero-common-sense policy I am glad it isn&#8217;t infecting my kids with a tolerance for authoritarianism.</p>
<p>My son tried public school in third grade for a month and came back to homeschooling in disgust because &#8220;they had us counting cheerios and I asked the teacher when we would get to division and she said not this year.&#8221;<br />
We had a laugh yesterday because the school had decided that because students weren&#8217;t learning enough under the current policies they would extend the school year another 3 weeks into the summer and add more homework. My son said, &#8220;How will 3 more weeks of counting cheerios teach them division?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to risk falling into the &quot;in my days&quot; trap but I do feel that I was lucky to grow up in the 70s-80s too before the US and UK drifted towards becoming security states.  I even used to ride my bike around without endless molester paranoia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to risk falling into the &#8220;in my days&#8221; trap but I do feel that I was lucky to grow up in the 70s-80s too before the US and UK drifted towards becoming security states.  I even used to ride my bike around without endless molester paranoia.</p>
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		<title>By: cratermoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>cratermoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe if they really turned the schools into prisons they&#039;d get &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.themorningsun.com/articles/2011/05/12/opinion/doc4dcb4f4b11953790636898.txt&quot;&gt;adequate funding&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe if they really turned the schools into prisons they&#8217;d get <a href="http://www.themorningsun.com/articles/2011/05/12/opinion/doc4dcb4f4b11953790636898.txt">adequate funding</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: g0d5m15t4k3</title>
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		<dc:creator>g0d5m15t4k3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. That is eye-opening. Plus I&#039;m pretty sure they are directly connected. If MI had better education, they&#039;d have less crime, less need for prison. &quot;Nip it in the bud&quot; as it were. I&#039;m on board. Let&#039;s swap the budgets for schools and prisons. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. That is eye-opening. Plus I&#8217;m pretty sure they are directly connected. If MI had better education, they&#8217;d have less crime, less need for prison. &#8220;Nip it in the bud&#8221; as it were. I&#8217;m on board. Let&#8217;s swap the budgets for schools and prisons. </p>
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		<title>By: holtt</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...that parents will leave their kids uneducated (called home schooling)...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sandra Day O&#039;Conner, Thomas Edison and a bunch of other home schooled people not withstanding</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;that parents will leave their kids uneducated (called home schooling)&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Sandra Day O&#8217;Conner, Thomas Edison and a bunch of other home schooled people not withstanding</p>
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		<title>By: MrWashy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrWashy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, thanks for depicting me as not only a child abuser (cane wielding? are you a frakkin kidding me?) but also as a mindless security thug.  

If a kid is texting during my class, you bet I&#039;ll take their phone and give them back a bettery.  They can get it at the end of the day.  Will I read it? No.  Will I erase it? No.  But do I expect that while they are in my class they pay attention and show some courtesy? Yes, because many times their parents have failed to teach them those niceties.  But can they use it to look up into, do a calculation, snap a pic of their lab because they are proud of it?  Yes, definitely.  Its called exercising discretion - and apparently neither the government nor the authors, nor Corey feel we can handle that.  

This is yet  one more case of those who have minimal experience in schools (on both sides of the argument) opining away.  Please, spend 180+ days in a school.  You may even excel at it and I welcome that.  But give it a year before spouting off about too much security, too little security, the children&#039;s freedom, my own freedom etc etc etc.

By the way, do the authors of this know that teachers in the US don&#039;t have the full protection of the 1st Amendment?  How about some fire and brimstone for that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, thanks for depicting me as not only a child abuser (cane wielding? are you a frakkin kidding me?) but also as a mindless security thug.  </p>
<p>If a kid is texting during my class, you bet I&#8217;ll take their phone and give them back a bettery.  They can get it at the end of the day.  Will I read it? No.  Will I erase it? No.  But do I expect that while they are in my class they pay attention and show some courtesy? Yes, because many times their parents have failed to teach them those niceties.  But can they use it to look up into, do a calculation, snap a pic of their lab because they are proud of it?  Yes, definitely.  Its called exercising discretion &#8211; and apparently neither the government nor the authors, nor Corey feel we can handle that.  </p>
<p>This is yet  one more case of those who have minimal experience in schools (on both sides of the argument) opining away.  Please, spend 180+ days in a school.  You may even excel at it and I welcome that.  But give it a year before spouting off about too much security, too little security, the children&#8217;s freedom, my own freedom etc etc etc.</p>
<p>By the way, do the authors of this know that teachers in the US don&#8217;t have the full protection of the 1st Amendment?  How about some fire and brimstone for that?</p>
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		<title>By: Blennylips</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blennylips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and it starts with the architecture:

From James Howard Kunstler&#039;s TED Talk &quot;The tragedy of suburbia&quot;:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1ZeXnmDZMQ&amp;feature=player_detailpage#t=896s

This link goes to his comment on school architecture, but the whole video is well worth watching.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and it starts with the architecture:</p>
<p>From James Howard Kunstler&#8217;s TED Talk &#8220;The tragedy of suburbia&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1ZeXnmDZMQ&#038;feature=player_detailpage#t=896s" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1ZeXnmDZMQ&#038;feature=player_detailpage#t=896s</a></p>
<p>This link goes to his comment on school architecture, but the whole video is well worth watching.</p>
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		<title>By: NickPheas</title>
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		<dc:creator>NickPheas</dc:creator>
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		<description>I honestly don&#039;t care if there&#039;s some grainy pictures of me on a screen somewhere.
Unless the CCTV system is Scopion Stare enabled of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly don&#8217;t care if there&#8217;s some grainy pictures of me on a screen somewhere.<br />
Unless the CCTV system is Scopion Stare enabled of course.</p>
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		<title>By: NickPheas</title>
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		<dc:creator>NickPheas</dc:creator>
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		<description>Unless the camera are equipped with Scorpion Stare I&#039;m honestly not that bothered about grainy images appearing on a screen somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless the camera are equipped with Scorpion Stare I&#8217;m honestly not that bothered about grainy images appearing on a screen somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: roboton</title>
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		<dc:creator>roboton</dc:creator>
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		<description>Allie, do you truly believe this?</description>
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		<title>By: AnthonyC</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnthonyC</dc:creator>
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		<description>Ah, zero tolerance policies. Their purpose is nothing more or less than trying to remove discretion from the picture. At least, it started that way. The actual punishment powers involved: suspension, expulsion, etc.- are not usually that different than previously. Monitoring activities are, of course, dramatically increased in patently ridiculous and inexcusable ways.

But by way of explanation (not excuse), why did schools choose this route? I doubt anyone who has ever taught could possibly agree with the statement, &quot;Everyone who has ever done anything even slightly wrong, regardless of circumstances, should be punished in exactly the same way, without recourse or an appeal.&quot; 

1. Parents started siding with children rather than administrators. &quot;My little darling would NEVER do that. Where&#039;s your proof?&quot; Or, &quot;That other child did something WRONG to mine. You&#039;d BETTER punish him.&quot;
2. Obsession with &quot;safety&quot; without regard for the actual statistics, likelihoods, or cost-benefit analysis of various risks and countermeasures, especially for children.
3. Society-wide failure to defend traditional boundaries and privacy rights, allowing schools to intrude on the lives of children at home and elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, zero tolerance policies. Their purpose is nothing more or less than trying to remove discretion from the picture. At least, it started that way. The actual punishment powers involved: suspension, expulsion, etc.- are not usually that different than previously. Monitoring activities are, of course, dramatically increased in patently ridiculous and inexcusable ways.</p>
<p>But by way of explanation (not excuse), why did schools choose this route? I doubt anyone who has ever taught could possibly agree with the statement, &#8220;Everyone who has ever done anything even slightly wrong, regardless of circumstances, should be punished in exactly the same way, without recourse or an appeal.&#8221; </p>
<p>1. Parents started siding with children rather than administrators. &#8220;My little darling would NEVER do that. Where&#8217;s your proof?&#8221; Or, &#8220;That other child did something WRONG to mine. You&#8217;d BETTER punish him.&#8221;<br />
2. Obsession with &#8220;safety&#8221; without regard for the actual statistics, likelihoods, or cost-benefit analysis of various risks and countermeasures, especially for children.<br />
3. Society-wide failure to defend traditional boundaries and privacy rights, allowing schools to intrude on the lives of children at home and elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Joe</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/09/lockdown-high-how-sc.html#comment-1134434</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But by way of explanation (not excuse), why did schools choose this route?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It&#039;s not because teachers think it helps students learn, though having an environment that is and feels safe, does. It&#039;s to protect the district and its employees in the case of lawsuit. If a teacher calms down a shoving match before it turns into a full fight, and the origin of the problem is investigated and dealt with, that&#039;s probably best for everyone involved. But then when a month later there&#039;s a serious fight and some snowflake gets seriously hurt, that previous incident becomes evidence for the plaintiff that the school didn&#039;t do all it could to stop and prevent violence on its campus. If the school has a written policy that requires suspension or expulsion of those two kids who got into a shoving match, and they do so, the incident then becomes evidence for the defense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But by way of explanation (not excuse), why did schools choose this route?</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s not because teachers think it helps students learn, though having an environment that is and feels safe, does. It&#8217;s to protect the district and its employees in the case of lawsuit. If a teacher calms down a shoving match before it turns into a full fight, and the origin of the problem is investigated and dealt with, that&#8217;s probably best for everyone involved. But then when a month later there&#8217;s a serious fight and some snowflake gets seriously hurt, that previous incident becomes evidence for the plaintiff that the school didn&#8217;t do all it could to stop and prevent violence on its campus. If the school has a written policy that requires suspension or expulsion of those two kids who got into a shoving match, and they do so, the incident then becomes evidence for the defense.</p>
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		<title>By: alllie</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/09/lockdown-high-how-sc.html#comment-1134184</link>
		<dc:creator>alllie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;..that parents will leave their kids uneducated (called home schooling)...

Sandra Day O&#039;Conner, Thomas Edison and a bunch of other home schooled people not withstanding.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And for every kid who is adequately homeschooled, usually by a parent who was traditionally educated, there are a hundred kids learning nothing, but at home. 

I am frightened by the idea that if I had been homeschooled I would have learned no more than my mother knew and had the patience to teach me. Or worse, if my mother had been homeschool she would have learned no more than HER mother knew. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>..that parents will leave their kids uneducated (called home schooling)&#8230;</p>
<p>Sandra Day O&#8217;Conner, Thomas Edison and a bunch of other home schooled people not withstanding.</p></blockquote>
<p>And for every kid who is adequately homeschooled, usually by a parent who was traditionally educated, there are a hundred kids learning nothing, but at home. </p>
<p>I am frightened by the idea that if I had been homeschooled I would have learned no more than my mother knew and had the patience to teach me. Or worse, if my mother had been homeschool she would have learned no more than HER mother knew. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/09/lockdown-high-how-sc.html#comment-1133937</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damnit. It&#039;s not available on Kindle.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/09/lockdown-high-how-sc.html#comment-1134467</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is school so different to normal adult life? I can only imagine it&#039;s because:
a) You&#039;re forced to go.
b) They&#039;re to a certain degree forced to keep you.

Lets try getting rid of both requirements and changing it to these:
a) Nobody is forced to go and schools can &quot;fire&quot; students the same way companies do with employees.
b) Parents are fined for each child they raise that doesn&#039;t meet basic educational requirements before 21.

A lot of people have a gut reaction that this is some crazy right wing idea but honestly it has nothing to do with right and left. Education has become so toxic and no longer resembles the &quot;real&quot; world in any way. We&#039;ve got to find a new system that ends the 18 year prison sentence we&#039;ve currently got in place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is school so different to normal adult life? I can only imagine it&#8217;s because:<br />
a) You&#8217;re forced to go.<br />
b) They&#8217;re to a certain degree forced to keep you.</p>
<p>Lets try getting rid of both requirements and changing it to these:<br />
a) Nobody is forced to go and schools can &#8220;fire&#8221; students the same way companies do with employees.<br />
b) Parents are fined for each child they raise that doesn&#8217;t meet basic educational requirements before 21.</p>
<p>A lot of people have a gut reaction that this is some crazy right wing idea but honestly it has nothing to do with right and left. Education has become so toxic and no longer resembles the &#8220;real&#8221; world in any way. We&#8217;ve got to find a new system that ends the 18 year prison sentence we&#8217;ve currently got in place.</p>
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		<title>By: cratermoon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/09/lockdown-high-how-sc.html#comment-1133975</link>
		<dc:creator>cratermoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Easy to find studies demonstrating a strong link between lack of education and crime. Google Scholar brings up hundreds.

I&#039;m not quite certain what political dynamic ensures the continued flow of money to build and run prisons while school budgets are in steady decline, but I&#039;d look back to the early years of the right-wing Christian Coalition movement and the words of Jerry Falwell, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Missing+book+mystery%3A+solved%3A+Pennsylvania+sleuth+helps+Americans...-a0108267238&quot;&gt;&quot;I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won&#039;t have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!&quot;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easy to find studies demonstrating a strong link between lack of education and crime. Google Scholar brings up hundreds.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not quite certain what political dynamic ensures the continued flow of money to build and run prisons while school budgets are in steady decline, but I&#8217;d look back to the early years of the right-wing Christian Coalition movement and the words of Jerry Falwell, <a href="http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Missing+book+mystery%3A+solved%3A+Pennsylvania+sleuth+helps+Americans...-a0108267238">&#8220;I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won&#8217;t have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!&#8221;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Thorzdad</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/09/lockdown-high-how-sc.html#comment-1133982</link>
		<dc:creator>Thorzdad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you actually spent time in a public school? The kids themselves are the source of the violence in the schools, which engenders further security theater.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you actually spent time in a public school? The kids themselves are the source of the violence in the schools, which engenders further security theater.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/09/lockdown-high-how-sc.html#comment-1134257</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;By the way, do the authors of this know that teachers in the US don&#039;t have the full protection of the 1st Amendment? How about some fire and brimstone for that?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You don&#039;t actually read Boing Boing, do you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>By the way, do the authors of this know that teachers in the US don&#8217;t have the full protection of the 1st Amendment? How about some fire and brimstone for that?</p></blockquote>
<p>You don&#8217;t actually read Boing Boing, do you?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/09/lockdown-high-how-sc.html#comment-1152433</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s set the record straight on school resource officers.  The SRO serves three functions in the school setting: 1) law enforcement officer, 2) teacher and 3)counselor.  They are primarily in schools for the protection of students and staff.  They present a &quot;resource: to troubled youth who may relate better to a person who knows what the streets are like rather than a school staff member.  They are a link between the school and other agencies within the juvenile justice system and yes, they are the key defender of children when someone with a gun, student or adult, has decided to kill as many people as he can.  Most parents feel a sense of security knowing there is a trained police officer working in their son or daughter&#039;s school everyday.  It is the most unique position in law enforcement and requires the most dedicated officer totally committed to students.  YES; the SRO must be a highly trained tactical officer in the event shots ring out within the school. Seconds count in saving lives and his or her effectiveness is the students only hope of survival. To characterize the SRO in any other way is a showing of ignorance to the role and function of the school resource officer.
 
Richard J. Caster, Ed.D
Former Executive Director
National Association of School Resource Officers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s set the record straight on school resource officers.  The SRO serves three functions in the school setting: 1) law enforcement officer, 2) teacher and 3)counselor.  They are primarily in schools for the protection of students and staff.  They present a &#8220;resource: to troubled youth who may relate better to a person who knows what the streets are like rather than a school staff member.  They are a link between the school and other agencies within the juvenile justice system and yes, they are the key defender of children when someone with a gun, student or adult, has decided to kill as many people as he can.  Most parents feel a sense of security knowing there is a trained police officer working in their son or daughter&#8217;s school everyday.  It is the most unique position in law enforcement and requires the most dedicated officer totally committed to students.  YES; the SRO must be a highly trained tactical officer in the event shots ring out within the school. Seconds count in saving lives and his or her effectiveness is the students only hope of survival. To characterize the SRO in any other way is a showing of ignorance to the role and function of the school resource officer.</p>
<p>Richard J. Caster, Ed.D<br />
Former Executive Director<br />
National Association of School Resource Officers</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you treat someone like a criminal, you better not be surprised when they start acting like one.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/09/lockdown-high-how-sc.html#comment-1135816</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i didnt even read the post, but didnt foucault already talked a LOT about this, in the 70s?</description>
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