Comments on: Networks are necessary, but not sufficient, for social upheaval http://boingboing.net/2011/06/17/networks-are-necessa.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Wed, 22 May 2013 07:23:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Laroquod http://boingboing.net/2011/06/17/networks-are-necessa.html#comment-1142025 Laroquod Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1142025 Some of us have appear to have forgotten that the words 'social network' had and still have a central meaning that is entirely independent of computers. Some of us have appear to have forgotten that the words ‘social network’ had and still have a central meaning that is entirely independent of computers.

]]> By: Laroquod http://boingboing.net/2011/06/17/networks-are-necessa.html#comment-1144078 Laroquod Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1144078 I don't need to do any of that Mr. Goblin, because this post does not exist in a vacuum… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_network I don’t need to do any of that Mr. Goblin, because this post does not exist in a vacuum…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_network

]]> By: Goblin http://boingboing.net/2011/06/17/networks-are-necessa.html#comment-1142295 Goblin Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1142295 You are now telling me that "social networking" equals "communication." And frankly I can't follow your line of thought. Could you please explain to me how the common use of "social network" is devoid of any technological influence. What qualities makes this social network identifiable? How is this social network then different from other such independent social structures? (i.e how is a functioning social structure (like a peer group) NOT a social network, as that seems to be what you are impling by lifting "social network" from its root in technology.) So enlighten me, what is the central meaning of "social network"? And I remind you, by your own admission, you can't define it by any linkage with technology. You are now telling me that “social networking” equals “communication.”

And frankly I can’t follow your line of thought. Could you please explain to me how the common use of “social network” is devoid of any technological influence.

What qualities makes this social network identifiable? How is this social network then different from other such independent social structures? (i.e how is a functioning social structure (like a peer group) NOT a social network, as that seems to be what you are impling by lifting “social network” from its root in technology.)

So enlighten me, what is the central meaning of “social network”? And I remind you, by your own admission, you can’t define it by any linkage with technology.

]]> By: buddy66 http://boingboing.net/2011/06/17/networks-are-necessa.html#comment-1141043 buddy66 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1141043 I got a royalty check yesterday for $130. That may be it for the year. So go ahead, steal me. Like I should give a shit? I got a royalty check yesterday for $130. That may be it for the year. So go ahead, steal me. Like I should give a shit?

]]> By: Finnagain http://boingboing.net/2011/06/17/networks-are-necessa.html#comment-1141048 Finnagain Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1141048 No no no. You're doing it wrong. If you want people to steal you, you have to proclaim loudly that you will prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law if they steal you. So far, I'm not interested in stealing you. But if you threaten me, well, I'll steal the crap out of you for the lulz. No no no. You’re doing it wrong. If you want people to steal you, you have to proclaim loudly that you will prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law if they steal you.

So far, I’m not interested in stealing you. But if you threaten me, well, I’ll steal the crap out of you for the lulz.

]]> By: Goblin http://boingboing.net/2011/06/17/networks-are-necessa.html#comment-1141849 Goblin Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1141849 Your counter to adamvillani rests on a false dichotomy. You can't have a softwired "social network" without first haveing "networked computers." And you have to admit adamvillani does have a point, even if he is only critiquing the implicit. Your counter to adamvillani rests on a false dichotomy. You can’t have a softwired “social network” without first haveing “networked computers.”

And you have to admit adamvillani does have a point, even if he is only critiquing the implicit.

]]> By: Goblin http://boingboing.net/2011/06/17/networks-are-necessa.html#comment-1141151 Goblin Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1141151 I often find myself at odds with your conclusions Cory, but this article is on an even keel and it frankly addresses much of my criticism of the earlier net-centric reporting on Egypt. I always appreciate reading the pragmatics. I often find myself at odds with your conclusions Cory, but this article is on an even keel and it frankly addresses much of my criticism of the earlier net-centric reporting on Egypt. I always appreciate reading the pragmatics.

]]> By: adamnvillani http://boingboing.net/2011/06/17/networks-are-necessa.html#comment-1141419 adamnvillani Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1141419 Wouldn't a more accurate assessment be "helpful but not sufficient?" Networked computing played a part in the Egyptian uprising, but to say that they're "necessary" is to say that nobody had a successful revolution before networked computers. Certainly <i>communication</i> is necessary, but that can take various forms --- fiery oratory, the distribution of pamphlets like Thomas Paine's <i>Common Sense</i>, telephones, television, and yes, computer networks, among many other forms of communication. Wouldn’t a more accurate assessment be “helpful but not sufficient?” Networked computing played a part in the Egyptian uprising, but to say that they’re “necessary” is to say that nobody had a successful revolution before networked computers.

Certainly communication is necessary, but that can take various forms — fiery oratory, the distribution of pamphlets like Thomas Paine’s Common Sense, telephones, television, and yes, computer networks, among many other forms of communication.

]]> By: Laroquod http://boingboing.net/2011/06/17/networks-are-necessa.html#comment-1141702 Laroquod Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1141702 'Network' and 'Social networking'. Not 'Networked computing'. You added your own word to Cory's thesis and then objected to its presence there. ‘Network’ and ‘Social networking’. Not ‘Networked computing’. You added your own word to Cory’s thesis and then objected to its presence there.

]]> By: Teller http://boingboing.net/2011/06/17/networks-are-necessa.html#comment-1141726 Teller Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1141726 And taking over radio stations. And that terrific form of communication - weapons! And taking over radio stations. And that terrific form of communication – weapons!

]]> By: MarlboroTestMonkey7 http://boingboing.net/2011/06/17/networks-are-necessa.html#comment-1140975 MarlboroTestMonkey7 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1140975 I always tie this ruminations to the next step in human colonization, space, and how much the human race would need to change, a deep one, in order to accomodate to such radical existence. Maybe I'm shooting off the roof, but probably we wouldn't be human anymore. Back to this, perhaps the real revolution lies in obscurity and the fame we expect is based on an outdated concept, a world which doesn't exist any more. Network provides a structure, but it also negates the individual creation as truly unique; the network shows the variations we previously would have taken years or centuries to discover. You won't find an alien in a network, but outside. Once inside, it's shine lessens. Information overload. I always tie this ruminations to the next step in human colonization, space, and how much the human race would need to change, a deep one, in order to accomodate to such radical existence. Maybe I’m shooting off the roof, but probably we wouldn’t be human anymore.
Back to this, perhaps the real revolution lies in obscurity and the fame we expect is based on an outdated concept, a world which doesn’t exist any more.
Network provides a structure, but it also negates the individual creation as truly unique; the network shows the variations we previously would have taken years or centuries to discover.
You won’t find an alien in a network, but outside. Once inside, it’s shine lessens. Information overload.

]]> By: lyd http://boingboing.net/2011/06/17/networks-are-necessa.html#comment-1140976 lyd Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1140976 Is "sceptic" the British way to spell "skeptic", or did that just slip past you and the editor? Is “sceptic” the British way to spell “skeptic”, or did that just slip past you and the editor?

]]> By: dross1260 http://boingboing.net/2011/06/17/networks-are-necessa.html#comment-1140981 dross1260 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1140981 “What's worse than being an unpublished author? Being a known-unpublished author.” - Donald Hamilton “What’s worse than being an unpublished author? Being a known-unpublished author.” – Donald Hamilton

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