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	<title>Comments on: Lytro promises focus-free&#160;shooting</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This ray-tracing framework provides a general mechanism for handling the undesired non-convergence of rays that is central to the focus problem&quot;

Focus problem?  As the neighborhood photographic purist, I don&#039;t think there&#039;s necessarily anything &lt;i&gt;wrong&lt;/i&gt; with photography as it stands today.

Curious though, I wonder how well it works in low light conditions.  I would imagine, from an experimental photo standpoint, you could devise some pretty funky stuff if you wiggled the camera during a long exposure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This ray-tracing framework provides a general mechanism for handling the undesired non-convergence of rays that is central to the focus problem&#8221;</p>
<p>Focus problem?  As the neighborhood photographic purist, I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s necessarily anything <i>wrong</i> with photography as it stands today.</p>
<p>Curious though, I wonder how well it works in low light conditions.  I would imagine, from an experimental photo standpoint, you could devise some pretty funky stuff if you wiggled the camera during a long exposure.</p>
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		<title>By: Camp Freddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Camp Freddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great, though god-knows if/when it&#039;ll be a usefull tech.  
On the one hand, the resolution and lensing requirements seem astronomical.
On the other hand, 10 years ago you&#039;d be thought of as crazy if you proposed taking 5 megapixel images on a phone and putting a thousand of them on a storage drive the size of a fingernail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great, though god-knows if/when it&#8217;ll be a usefull tech.<br />
On the one hand, the resolution and lensing requirements seem astronomical.<br />
On the other hand, 10 years ago you&#8217;d be thought of as crazy if you proposed taking 5 megapixel images on a phone and putting a thousand of them on a storage drive the size of a fingernail.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Insert comment lamenting the Bokeh here&quot;

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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/22/lytro.html#comment-1145883</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Very interesting and innovative but ... what&#039;s the point? It doest&#039;t take much time and effort to change the focus point from the spear to that guy or vice versa and shoot another picture.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The point is &lt;i&gt;when&lt;/i&gt; you spend that time.

For example, is it one time only, when you haven&#039;t got the rest of your work-in-progress in front of you, in the middle of a field of biting flies, or is it in your artsy soho loft, surrounded by the other photos that will also be part of the finished work?  I&#039;m sure you can think of other examples of &lt;i&gt;when&lt;/i&gt; being important.

&lt;blockquote&gt;It&#039;s called creativity and it&#039;s good for you, especially if you&#039;re passionate about photography.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;Exactly!&lt;/strong&gt;  Now you&#039;re getting it!  Enhancing the available options inherently allows greater personal expression!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Very interesting and innovative but &#8230; what&#8217;s the point? It doest&#8217;t take much time and effort to change the focus point from the spear to that guy or vice versa and shoot another picture.</p></blockquote>
<p>The point is <i>when</i> you spend that time.</p>
<p>For example, is it one time only, when you haven&#8217;t got the rest of your work-in-progress in front of you, in the middle of a field of biting flies, or is it in your artsy soho loft, surrounded by the other photos that will also be part of the finished work?  I&#8217;m sure you can think of other examples of <i>when</i> being important.</p>
<blockquote><p>It&#8217;s called creativity and it&#8217;s good for you, especially if you&#8217;re passionate about photography.</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Exactly!</strong>  Now you&#8217;re getting it!  Enhancing the available options inherently allows greater personal expression!</p>
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		<title>By: teufelsdroch</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/22/lytro.html#comment-1145138</link>
		<dc:creator>teufelsdroch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a related note, Red is coming out with the first HDR camera, capable of capturing 13.5+ stops of exposure level.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ7s6xWP3e0

Digital photography is just getting warmed up, folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a related note, Red is coming out with the first HDR camera, capable of capturing 13.5+ stops of exposure level.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ7s6xWP3e0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ7s6xWP3e0</a></p>
<p>Digital photography is just getting warmed up, folks.</p>
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		<title>By: keighvin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/22/lytro.html#comment-1145399</link>
		<dc:creator>keighvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adobe is already on board with their own version: 

http://business2press.com/2010/09/24/adobe-demos-photography-with-infinite-depth-of-field/

...and have been working on this also for many years:

http://comments.deasil.com/2008/02/25/adobes-crazy-depth-of-field-lens/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adobe is already on board with their own version: </p>
<p><a href="http://business2press.com/2010/09/24/adobe-demos-photography-with-infinite-depth-of-field/" rel="nofollow">http://business2press.com/2010/09/24/adobe-demos-photography-with-infinite-depth-of-field/</a></p>
<p>&#8230;and have been working on this also for many years:</p>
<p><a href="http://comments.deasil.com/2008/02/25/adobes-crazy-depth-of-field-lens/" rel="nofollow">http://comments.deasil.com/2008/02/25/adobes-crazy-depth-of-field-lens/</a></p>
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		<title>By: halfacre</title>
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		<dc:creator>halfacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This &#039;photographic purist&#039; says &#039;wow&#039;</description>
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		<title>By: nehpetsE</title>
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		<dc:creator>nehpetsE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When i try to look at this current page with firefox, i get a big red warning that this link is a Reported Web Forgery!
(in chrome there is no warning)

Anyone else having this glitch?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When i try to look at this current page with firefox, i get a big red warning that this link is a Reported Web Forgery!<br />
(in chrome there is no warning)</p>
<p>Anyone else having this glitch?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/22/lytro.html#comment-1150039</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I might be asking you why you need a trailer full of coal (or otherwise, how you plan on making the steam without burning fossil fuels).

This is an early days proof of concept as I see it.  It&#039;s not a launch party. I&#039;d rather read about these advancements now than in three years time.

Besides, this is likely going to need a few other things in place beforehand to make it commercially viable.  Off the top of my head, support in Photoshop for an infinite focus image.  Perhaps extra hardware to cope with the processing.  Best get these balls rolling now while there&#039;s time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might be asking you why you need a trailer full of coal (or otherwise, how you plan on making the steam without burning fossil fuels).</p>
<p>This is an early days proof of concept as I see it.  It&#8217;s not a launch party. I&#8217;d rather read about these advancements now than in three years time.</p>
<p>Besides, this is likely going to need a few other things in place beforehand to make it commercially viable.  Off the top of my head, support in Photoshop for an infinite focus image.  Perhaps extra hardware to cope with the processing.  Best get these balls rolling now while there&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great idea but where is the prototype?</description>
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		<title>By: Pharmalade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pharmalade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zoom and enhance.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the result will be a sharp, very low-rez image.</description>
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		<title>By: Roger Wilco</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/22/lytro.html#comment-1144940</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Wilco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, now I&#039;ve seen everything.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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		<description>Is their image gallery meant to allow you to switch focus on the images? I only see static single/focused images.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is their image gallery meant to allow you to switch focus on the images? I only see static single/focused images.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome stuff. 

Cue photographic purists complaining in 3, 2, 1.....

Photographic film purists are the best. They get uptight about photoshop when airbrushing, compositing multiple images, dodging and other manipulations have been around for ages. 


Wait till light field cameras do cinema quality video. That will make the job of focus puller obsolete and cut down on retakes.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome stuff. </p>
<p>Cue photographic purists complaining in 3, 2, 1&#8230;..</p>
<p>Photographic film purists are the best. They get uptight about photoshop when airbrushing, compositing multiple images, dodging and other manipulations have been around for ages. </p>
<p>Wait till light field cameras do cinema quality video. That will make the job of focus puller obsolete and cut down on retakes.   </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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		<description>!</description>
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		<title>By: jfrancis</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/22/lytro.html#comment-1144956</link>
		<dc:creator>jfrancis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fairly low resolution, if I recall...

(from 2008)

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13580_3-9876296-39.html#ixzz1PzJpP6nS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fairly low resolution, if I recall&#8230;</p>
<p>(from 2008)</p>
<p><a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-13580_3-9876296-39.html#ixzz1PzJpP6nS" rel="nofollow">http://news.cnet.com/8301-13580_3-9876296-39.html#ixzz1PzJpP6nS</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rob Beschizza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Beschizza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Their demo photos are rendered in flash.</description>
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		<title>By: frankieboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>frankieboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So can you keep it all in focus, foreground and background? For a deep focus effect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So can you keep it all in focus, foreground and background? For a deep focus effect?</p>
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		<title>By: pimlottc</title>
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		<dc:creator>pimlottc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way the demo photos are presenting is very cool.</description>
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		<title>By: oldtaku</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldtaku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The quick summary is a microlens directs different rays of light to the same microlens to multiple pixels on the CCD. These areas are non overlapping.

So if you&#039;re using a 10x10 area for each microlens, the resulting image is 100th the resolution of what a normal camera image would be.

This doesn&#039;t seem like a horrible tradeoff. I think we&#039;ve reached the apex of useful pixel density on consumer cameras, so instead of a 40 megapixel image, why not a 1.5 MP image with 5x5 lensing for your facebook or webpage pics? Especially given the advantages in light gathering, post-focus, and 3D information. 

It also seems like some clever person could figure out how to still extract the data from overlapping microlenses.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The quick summary is a microlens directs different rays of light to the same microlens to multiple pixels on the CCD. These areas are non overlapping.</p>
<p>So if you&#8217;re using a 10&#215;10 area for each microlens, the resulting image is 100th the resolution of what a normal camera image would be.</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t seem like a horrible tradeoff. I think we&#8217;ve reached the apex of useful pixel density on consumer cameras, so instead of a 40 megapixel image, why not a 1.5 MP image with 5&#215;5 lensing for your facebook or webpage pics? Especially given the advantages in light gathering, post-focus, and 3D information. </p>
<p>It also seems like some clever person could figure out how to still extract the data from overlapping microlenses.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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		<description>frankieboy, there&#039;s no reason it can&#039;t be done; you can already get deep focus images by stacking multiple shallow focus images with varying focal points - something you get automatically with this system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>frankieboy, there&#8217;s no reason it can&#8217;t be done; you can already get deep focus images by stacking multiple shallow focus images with varying focal points &#8211; something you get automatically with this system.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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		<description>If I said I have invented and will produce a car that runs on pure water and I point you to information about the steam engine, then throw a launch party without showing you the car, without an estimated date for production or a price, will you also be excited?  Will you not ask me &quot;where&#039;s the car&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I said I have invented and will produce a car that runs on pure water and I point you to information about the steam engine, then throw a launch party without showing you the car, without an estimated date for production or a price, will you also be excited?  Will you not ask me &#8220;where&#8217;s the car&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: bcsizemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bcsizemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an extremely easy answer to that:

-a non standard format

Not to point out the obvious, but most home users that are putting pictures on FB are not going to take the time to select their photo settings and export them to jpg to upload them to FB.  For heaven sake the most used &quot;camera&quot; on Flickr is the ifone.  And that camera is piss poor compared to a good Canon point-in-shoot that is 5 years old.

Put this technology into something the size of an SLR, make it at least 10 MP &quot;affective&quot; (at least something comparable to the current generation of midrange DLSR).  I can professionals using this way more than a casual home user.

Or for some serious bonus points figure out how to get Adobe to buy into your technology, put it in everything they sell, make it a web standard and voila everyone would use it.  (Assuming the file size isn&#039;t horrendous.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an extremely easy answer to that:</p>
<p>-a non standard format</p>
<p>Not to point out the obvious, but most home users that are putting pictures on FB are not going to take the time to select their photo settings and export them to jpg to upload them to FB.  For heaven sake the most used &#8220;camera&#8221; on Flickr is the ifone.  And that camera is piss poor compared to a good Canon point-in-shoot that is 5 years old.</p>
<p>Put this technology into something the size of an SLR, make it at least 10 MP &#8220;affective&#8221; (at least something comparable to the current generation of midrange DLSR).  I can professionals using this way more than a casual home user.</p>
<p>Or for some serious bonus points figure out how to get Adobe to buy into your technology, put it in everything they sell, make it a web standard and voila everyone would use it.  (Assuming the file size isn&#8217;t horrendous.)</p>
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		<title>By: Itsumishi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Itsumishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many points. As stated by someone else above, there are certain times where focusing completely accurately is difficult to say the least. As a fellow photographer I understand that having everything automated will take some of the magic out of it. As a photoshop whore I&#039;m drooling at the possibilities...

There are however, many points outside of the realm of photography.

An example from something I read yesterday explains a current dilema of security cameras. A camera will follow a person moving in a the frame, adjusting the focus as it needs to. If there&#039;s two people in the frame, at different depths, its not possible to follow both. With this sort of setup its possible to have 50 people at different depths all in focus.

There&#039;s also the advantage of being able to take shots with a long focal depth, without needing to have a long shutter speed.

Apparently, these things also work very well in low light conditions, but judging by the fact that virtually all the shots on their page seem to be full of bright nice light I&#039;m a bit skeptical about that one at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many points. As stated by someone else above, there are certain times where focusing completely accurately is difficult to say the least. As a fellow photographer I understand that having everything automated will take some of the magic out of it. As a photoshop whore I&#8217;m drooling at the possibilities&#8230;</p>
<p>There are however, many points outside of the realm of photography.</p>
<p>An example from something I read yesterday explains a current dilema of security cameras. A camera will follow a person moving in a the frame, adjusting the focus as it needs to. If there&#8217;s two people in the frame, at different depths, its not possible to follow both. With this sort of setup its possible to have 50 people at different depths all in focus.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also the advantage of being able to take shots with a long focal depth, without needing to have a long shutter speed.</p>
<p>Apparently, these things also work very well in low light conditions, but judging by the fact that virtually all the shots on their page seem to be full of bright nice light I&#8217;m a bit skeptical about that one at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/22/lytro.html#comment-1145261</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting and innovative but ... what&#039;s the point? It doest&#039;t take much time and effort to change the focus point from the spear to that guy or vice versa and shoot another picture. It&#039;s called creativity and it&#039;s good for you, especially in you&#039;re passionate about photography.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting and innovative but &#8230; what&#8217;s the point? It doest&#8217;t take much time and effort to change the focus point from the spear to that guy or vice versa and shoot another picture. It&#8217;s called creativity and it&#8217;s good for you, especially in you&#8217;re passionate about photography.</p>
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		<title>By: poagao</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/22/lytro.html#comment-1145007</link>
		<dc:creator>poagao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, even _more_ time to be spent in front of your computer at home trying to fix shots, plus an exponential increase in file sizes and processing power requirements. Add that to combing through each and every frame from 24-frame-per-second HD footage to try and find the &quot;right moment&quot; and you&#039;re basically stuck doing post-processing 24/7.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, even _more_ time to be spent in front of your computer at home trying to fix shots, plus an exponential increase in file sizes and processing power requirements. Add that to combing through each and every frame from 24-frame-per-second HD footage to try and find the &#8220;right moment&#8221; and you&#8217;re basically stuck doing post-processing 24/7.</p>
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		<title>By: phisrow</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/22/lytro.html#comment-1145012</link>
		<dc:creator>phisrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It isn&#039;t clear that whatever the raw format that this camera spits out is really intended to be the distribution format(not that it would be a secret, they&#039;d obviously want it to be compatible with industry-accepted photo workflow tools; but about as &#039;web safe&#039; as just dumping a .nef or a .crw onto friendtwit and expecting something useful to happen).

I assume that the selling point would be the (today either impossible, impractical, or requiring seriously zooty lenses) sorts of instantaneous &quot;bracketing&quot; that would allow you to get well focused images of fast moving scenes, where a re-shot isn&#039;t an option, or do assorted arty depth of field stuff without a backpack full of glass. You would then do the usual raw -&gt; distribution format processing step, only with the additional focus tweaking abilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#8217;t clear that whatever the raw format that this camera spits out is really intended to be the distribution format(not that it would be a secret, they&#8217;d obviously want it to be compatible with industry-accepted photo workflow tools; but about as &#8216;web safe&#8217; as just dumping a .nef or a .crw onto friendtwit and expecting something useful to happen).</p>
<p>I assume that the selling point would be the (today either impossible, impractical, or requiring seriously zooty lenses) sorts of instantaneous &#8220;bracketing&#8221; that would allow you to get well focused images of fast moving scenes, where a re-shot isn&#8217;t an option, or do assorted arty depth of field stuff without a backpack full of glass. You would then do the usual raw -> distribution format processing step, only with the additional focus tweaking abilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/22/lytro.html#comment-1146292</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually light field-imaging doesn&#039;t require expensive lenses - it can even potentially
be used with completely random lenses in a process called compressed sensing.
It can be shown that for most real-world images a random lens and sensor matrix
can capture more useful information than a regular lens and sensor with the same number
of sensing elements. This is related to the same properties which is the reason images
,sound and movies can be compressed a lot without loosing much fidelity.

A random lens will need initial calibration, but a lens with only some amount
of randomness could actually be calibrated iteratively and become better over time. 
Scratches, dirt etc can also be adapted to compensated for to some degree.

A light field imaging camera doesn&#039;t even necessarily need the bulky thing we
usually call a lens. The lens could be spread out and integrated into the camera body.

The limiting factor is probably processing power and storage needed - at least
for mobile devices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually light field-imaging doesn&#8217;t require expensive lenses &#8211; it can even potentially<br />
be used with completely random lenses in a process called compressed sensing.<br />
It can be shown that for most real-world images a random lens and sensor matrix<br />
can capture more useful information than a regular lens and sensor with the same number<br />
of sensing elements. This is related to the same properties which is the reason images<br />
,sound and movies can be compressed a lot without loosing much fidelity.</p>
<p>A random lens will need initial calibration, but a lens with only some amount<br />
of randomness could actually be calibrated iteratively and become better over time.<br />
Scratches, dirt etc can also be adapted to compensated for to some degree.</p>
<p>A light field imaging camera doesn&#8217;t even necessarily need the bulky thing we<br />
usually call a lens. The lens could be spread out and integrated into the camera body.</p>
<p>The limiting factor is probably processing power and storage needed &#8211; at least<br />
for mobile devices.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Smith</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/22/lytro.html#comment-1145270</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So could these pictures be reconstructed as holograms? Do they contain depth information?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So could these pictures be reconstructed as holograms? Do they contain depth information?</p>
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