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	<title>Comments on: Why fair use doesn&#039;t work unless you&#039;ve got a huge war-chest for paying&#160;lawyers</title>
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		<title>By: JEM</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/23/why-fair-use-doesnt.html#comment-1146119</link>
		<dc:creator>JEM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The court case you mentioned was about using verbatim quotes, not re-illustrating existing photos, so I am not sure how it would have affected this case.

I commission illustration for publishing for a living. In my industry, we all know that if you are unable to secure the right to use a photo, simply having it re-illustrated opens you up to a world of trouble, EVEN IF infringing would have nothing but a positive effect on the market for the original photograph. Frankly, if it were NOT for this fear, we would do it all the time, as it often takes much longer to clear the photo rights than it takes to have it re-illustrated (and sometimes costs less too!). Simply illustrating a photo in a different style, as this artist has with pixels, is a big no-no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The court case you mentioned was about using verbatim quotes, not re-illustrating existing photos, so I am not sure how it would have affected this case.</p>
<p>I commission illustration for publishing for a living. In my industry, we all know that if you are unable to secure the right to use a photo, simply having it re-illustrated opens you up to a world of trouble, EVEN IF infringing would have nothing but a positive effect on the market for the original photograph. Frankly, if it were NOT for this fear, we would do it all the time, as it often takes much longer to clear the photo rights than it takes to have it re-illustrated (and sometimes costs less too!). Simply illustrating a photo in a different style, as this artist has with pixels, is a big no-no.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/23/why-fair-use-doesnt.html#comment-1145609</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if the law has gotten crazy enough to allow third parties to bring suits against existing copyrights for undermining earlier copyrights. In that case we could have a ball destroying basically every copyright in existence.

Seriously, I wish someone would start a wiki to create a list of every great work of art, literature or technology that would wouldn&#039;t have if patent/copyright trolling began at the dawn of time. My guess is that we would have basically nothing to show for ourselves as a species.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the law has gotten crazy enough to allow third parties to bring suits against existing copyrights for undermining earlier copyrights. In that case we could have a ball destroying basically every copyright in existence.</p>
<p>Seriously, I wish someone would start a wiki to create a list of every great work of art, literature or technology that would wouldn&#8217;t have if patent/copyright trolling began at the dawn of time. My guess is that we would have basically nothing to show for ourselves as a species.</p>
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		<title>By: The Raven</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/23/why-fair-use-doesnt.html#comment-1147145</link>
		<dc:creator>The Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2011/06/kind-of-screwed.html&quot;&gt;Coverage&lt;/a&gt; over at The Online Photographer.  

&lt;blockquote&gt;He just forgot to clear the rights to the cover. Which happens to be one of Jay Maisel&#039;s most famous pictures and one of the few instantly recognizable images in music publishing  &lt;p&gt;[...] &lt;p&gt;I&#039;m very sorry Andy had to pay so ridiculously much money for the simple sin of forgetting to clear the rights to an imageâ€”and the money does indeed have a tendency to get stupid once the lawyers have to get involvedâ€”but I&#039;m afraid that&#039;s what he should have done; only a jury could decide definitively, but I believe he would have lost his case purely on its merits. &lt;p&gt;And Jay might have let it slide (we haven&#039;t heard his side of the story, n.b.). But as the aggrieved party, he gets to decide.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t think you&#039;ll find very many working photographers who will side with Waxy on this one; even before the advent of digital technology, unauthorized copying was a big problem for photographers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2011/06/kind-of-screwed.html">Coverage</a> over at The Online Photographer.  </p>
<blockquote><p>He just forgot to clear the rights to the cover. Which happens to be one of Jay Maisel&#8217;s most famous pictures and one of the few instantly recognizable images in music publishing
<p>[...] </p>
<p>I&#8217;m very sorry Andy had to pay so ridiculously much money for the simple sin of forgetting to clear the rights to an imageâ€”and the money does indeed have a tendency to get stupid once the lawyers have to get involvedâ€”but I&#8217;m afraid that&#8217;s what he should have done; only a jury could decide definitively, but I believe he would have lost his case purely on its merits. </p>
<p>And Jay might have let it slide (we haven&#8217;t heard his side of the story, n.b.). But as the aggrieved party, he gets to decide.</p>
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<p>I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ll find very many working photographers who will side with Waxy on this one; even before the advent of digital technology, unauthorized copying was a big problem for photographers.</p>
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		<title>By: emvee</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/23/why-fair-use-doesnt.html#comment-1146124</link>
		<dc:creator>emvee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear ccoates, What &quot;irks&quot; me is when people take stuff without asking, call it their own, and then sell it. And if the law supports them in this, and the whole damn future of human creativity depends on it, I&#039;m still irked that they didn&#039;t have the balls or the manners to ask first. And if creativity is one&#039;s only motivation, steal it anonymously and give it away for free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear ccoates, What &#8220;irks&#8221; me is when people take stuff without asking, call it their own, and then sell it. And if the law supports them in this, and the whole damn future of human creativity depends on it, I&#8217;m still irked that they didn&#8217;t have the balls or the manners to ask first. And if creativity is one&#8217;s only motivation, steal it anonymously and give it away for free.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/23/why-fair-use-doesnt.html#comment-1146386</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Harper &amp; Row did involve verbatim quotes, but the proposition I cited was made without qualification (and was invoked again in Campbell, which involved creative, transformative use of audio samples).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Harper &amp; Row was about a newspaper scooping a book release by taking quotes from the book. There was no finding of fair value, and there was no affirmative defense. Harper &amp; Row simply found that the negative financial impact on the book publisher (another magazine&#039;s contractual offer to pay for excerpts from the book was actually cancelled because the Nation&#039;s unauthorized scoop) meant that this factor favoured the publisher. It does not suport the proposition that having a positive effect on potential sales is likely to be compelling because the financial impact is the most influential factor.

In Campbell (which did not involve audio samples but reworded lyrics) it is clear that the parody (and more broadly today, transformativeness) factor is the most important, as the parodic nature of the song essentially removed the last factor from any consideration, as the markets for the original and transformed works are very different and not commensurable. Adopting this reasoning, if the bit-mapped image is truly transformative then the market factor should again be neutral because there is no shared market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Harper &#038; Row did involve verbatim quotes, but the proposition I cited was made without qualification (and was invoked again in Campbell, which involved creative, transformative use of audio samples).</p></blockquote>
<p>Harper &#038; Row was about a newspaper scooping a book release by taking quotes from the book. There was no finding of fair value, and there was no affirmative defense. Harper &#038; Row simply found that the negative financial impact on the book publisher (another magazine&#8217;s contractual offer to pay for excerpts from the book was actually cancelled because the Nation&#8217;s unauthorized scoop) meant that this factor favoured the publisher. It does not suport the proposition that having a positive effect on potential sales is likely to be compelling because the financial impact is the most influential factor.</p>
<p>In Campbell (which did not involve audio samples but reworded lyrics) it is clear that the parody (and more broadly today, transformativeness) factor is the most important, as the parodic nature of the song essentially removed the last factor from any consideration, as the markets for the original and transformed works are very different and not commensurable. Adopting this reasoning, if the bit-mapped image is truly transformative then the market factor should again be neutral because there is no shared market.</p>
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		<title>By: Graysmith</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/23/why-fair-use-doesnt.html#comment-1145879</link>
		<dc:creator>Graysmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a photographer myself I&#039;m certainly in favour of the rights of a photographer (or anyone else who creates things, designers, writers, etc.). I find myself conflicted over &quot;fair use&quot;.. On one hand it&#039;s often completely harmless and does nothing to diminish the original work.. But as the creator of that work I also feel I want to have a say in it if someone wants to create a derivative work based on something I created. Basically being asked if it&#039;s okay.

That said, I feel similar to what Jason Kottke expressed on his site on this subject in that Jay Maisel comes off as being quite a jerk for taking $30,000+ from this guy over this. There ought to be some kind of proportionality to it, especially when the derivative work wasn&#039;t morally objectionable or stood to reap enormous profits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a photographer myself I&#8217;m certainly in favour of the rights of a photographer (or anyone else who creates things, designers, writers, etc.). I find myself conflicted over &#8220;fair use&#8221;.. On one hand it&#8217;s often completely harmless and does nothing to diminish the original work.. But as the creator of that work I also feel I want to have a say in it if someone wants to create a derivative work based on something I created. Basically being asked if it&#8217;s okay.</p>
<p>That said, I feel similar to what Jason Kottke expressed on his site on this subject in that Jay Maisel comes off as being quite a jerk for taking $30,000+ from this guy over this. There ought to be some kind of proportionality to it, especially when the derivative work wasn&#8217;t morally objectionable or stood to reap enormous profits.</p>
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		<title>By: jimh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/23/why-fair-use-doesnt.html#comment-1146138</link>
		<dc:creator>jimh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THIS. As an artist myself, I believe truly creative people do not come from a place of scarcity. Ideas are everywhere, And we remix things constantly. A truly &quot;original&quot; idea, if you dig far enough, will always be referential of something else. We are not in a vacuum.

It&#039;s the people who live of this type of conflict, not the artists, who are so interested in copyright and IP litigation. When artists turn on one another, I always believe that they have been seduced by the allure of big business, or have stopped creating work that satisfies their artistic selves, or both. 

When you start crying &quot;OMG, my stuff, you has taken it!&quot; you are just announcing to me that you have nothing else that you&#039;re working on right now that is more important and energizing to you than work you did a long time ago.

Anyone can have anything I make to remix to their heart&#039;s content. I&#039;d prefer it if people don&#039;t use my stuff without changing it, and just add their name to it- but in the end I&#039;d probably roll my eyes and move on before I&#039;d hire an attorney.

Fair use deserves a wide berth. The world would be better off without aggressive copyright litigation, all except maybe the copyright lawyers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THIS. As an artist myself, I believe truly creative people do not come from a place of scarcity. Ideas are everywhere, And we remix things constantly. A truly &#8220;original&#8221; idea, if you dig far enough, will always be referential of something else. We are not in a vacuum.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the people who live of this type of conflict, not the artists, who are so interested in copyright and IP litigation. When artists turn on one another, I always believe that they have been seduced by the allure of big business, or have stopped creating work that satisfies their artistic selves, or both. </p>
<p>When you start crying &#8220;OMG, my stuff, you has taken it!&#8221; you are just announcing to me that you have nothing else that you&#8217;re working on right now that is more important and energizing to you than work you did a long time ago.</p>
<p>Anyone can have anything I make to remix to their heart&#8217;s content. I&#8217;d prefer it if people don&#8217;t use my stuff without changing it, and just add their name to it- but in the end I&#8217;d probably roll my eyes and move on before I&#8217;d hire an attorney.</p>
<p>Fair use deserves a wide berth. The world would be better off without aggressive copyright litigation, all except maybe the copyright lawyers.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really not about fair use but justice in the US which is practically non-existent for civil lawsuits. The underlying flaw is that even if you win a trial (or if you are sure to win eventually), you still have to pay exorbitant legal costs that are not going to be reimbursed.

This ends up creating a system where you can buy justice if you are wealthy, and you are sure not to have any if you are not. Or to put it in other words: whoever can spend more wins.

No legal system is perfect, but as far as equality under the law is concerned - one of the more fundamental human rights - this one really sucks.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really not about fair use but justice in the US which is practically non-existent for civil lawsuits. The underlying flaw is that even if you win a trial (or if you are sure to win eventually), you still have to pay exorbitant legal costs that are not going to be reimbursed.</p>
<p>This ends up creating a system where you can buy justice if you are wealthy, and you are sure not to have any if you are not. Or to put it in other words: whoever can spend more wins.</p>
<p>No legal system is perfect, but as far as equality under the law is concerned &#8211; one of the more fundamental human rights &#8211; this one really sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: Layne</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/23/why-fair-use-doesnt.html#comment-1146652</link>
		<dc:creator>Layne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh - good points. These IP/CW lawyers are the digital equivalent of ambulance chasers. So they get to shut down works and clog up court dockets just to game the system.  I&#039;d love to see someone turn around and sue Maisel for taking pics of their building.  

And as for #33 JEM&#039;s point, about the appropriateness of the same behavior when the roles are reversed. It&#039;s easy to name a non-hypothetical example: the tattoo in the &#039;Hangover 2&#039;. In that case, the little guy sued the corporation and it was unwarranted. No business was lost for that tattoo artist - in fact he probably gained business due to the increased exposure. But he used the same wobbly legal tactics to get a payday. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh &#8211; good points. These IP/CW lawyers are the digital equivalent of ambulance chasers. So they get to shut down works and clog up court dockets just to game the system.  I&#8217;d love to see someone turn around and sue Maisel for taking pics of their building.  </p>
<p>And as for #33 JEM&#8217;s point, about the appropriateness of the same behavior when the roles are reversed. It&#8217;s easy to name a non-hypothetical example: the tattoo in the &#8216;Hangover 2&#8242;. In that case, the little guy sued the corporation and it was unwarranted. No business was lost for that tattoo artist &#8211; in fact he probably gained business due to the increased exposure. But he used the same wobbly legal tactics to get a payday. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waxy is Andy Baio who launched Upcoming.org and sold it to Yahoo - yet he can&#039;t pay his lawyer to defend him in court? Perhaps he figured out he was in the wrong and couldn&#039;t win. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waxy is Andy Baio who launched Upcoming.org and sold it to Yahoo &#8211; yet he can&#8217;t pay his lawyer to defend him in court? Perhaps he figured out he was in the wrong and couldn&#8217;t win. </p>
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		<title>By: JEM</title>
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		<dc:creator>JEM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adding to JohnnyOC&#039;s comment, If Waxy was a giant moneyed corporation, would we be OK with him claiming this as fair use? If alternate-reality Money-Waxy was taken to court by the photographer and won because he was able to draw out the case, forcing the photographer to give up when he ran out of funds, what would the headline be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adding to JohnnyOC&#8217;s comment, If Waxy was a giant moneyed corporation, would we be OK with him claiming this as fair use? If alternate-reality Money-Waxy was taken to court by the photographer and won because he was able to draw out the case, forcing the photographer to give up when he ran out of funds, what would the headline be?</p>
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		<title>By: Ambiguity</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/23/why-fair-use-doesnt.html#comment-1145641</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambiguity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He didn&#039;t have money to fight it?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Waxy is founder of Kickstarter&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Maybe I&#039;m naive, but isn&#039;t this the kind of thing that Kickstarter is for? Seriously, if he started a Fair-use kickstarter campaign to fight this, I have a hard time it believing it wouldn&#039;t be funded by the readers of BB alone....
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He didn&#8217;t have money to fight it?</p>
<blockquote><p>Waxy is founder of Kickstarter</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m naive, but isn&#8217;t this the kind of thing that Kickstarter is for? Seriously, if he started a Fair-use kickstarter campaign to fight this, I have a hard time it believing it wouldn&#8217;t be funded by the readers of BB alone&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: lhl</title>
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		<dc:creator>lhl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy mentioned in a tweet that he might do a followup on the associated costs of mounting a defense. If you &lt;a href=&quot;https://twitter.com/#!/waxpancake/status/83923701615173632&quot;&gt;missed it&lt;/a&gt;: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;@BDPNT The sad truth: Even with a pro-bono defense, it costs an average $300k to litigate a copyright case. I may do a followup. &lt;b&gt;-World-renowned photographer, Jay Maisel&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is the sad state of copyright (and most other IP) law. If you&#039;re going through the federal courts, you&#039;re going to be financially ruined (not to mention having this drag on for years of your life) whether you win or lose.

Of course, that&#039;s what Maisel&#039;s lawyers are depending on. They&#039;re milking the inherent inefficiency (and contributing to its brokeness and injustice, from my perspective). You can see that Maisel is completely giddy about it from &lt;a href=&quot;http://harmonseidman.com/&quot;&gt;his quote on their home page&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Harmon, Seidman and their associates represent clients across the country and overseas. They limit their practice exclusively to copyright infringement, always representing the copyright holders and never the infringers. They earn their fee by charging a percentage of what they obtain for you; no money for you, no fee for them. I highly recommend them.â€&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A+++ WOULD SUE AGAIN!

I don&#039;t know whether to call it irony or just sad that Maisel and his lawyers made off w/ $30K+, which is nothing to them, but both many times the budget or proceeds of the project and certainly more than what any of the artists that participated in the project made.

Extra points as most of Maisel&#039;s recent photographic work is street/architectural. If others applied the same legal sociopathy as Maisel et al, he would be up to his eyeballs in specious suits related to likeness releases and architectural copyright clearances. But I&#039;m sure that Maisel doesn&#039;t see (or doesn&#039;t care about) the irony at all.

I&#039;m glad that Andy stood up for the right to write about this. This kind of copyright bullying is a lot more common than most people not involved in trying to publish or make art today realize. The deck is stacked against you, and it&#039;s you get unlucky... well, this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy mentioned in a tweet that he might do a followup on the associated costs of mounting a defense. If you <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/waxpancake/status/83923701615173632">missed it</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>@BDPNT The sad truth: Even with a pro-bono defense, it costs an average $300k to litigate a copyright case. I may do a followup. <b>-World-renowned photographer, Jay Maisel</b></p></blockquote>
<p>This is the sad state of copyright (and most other IP) law. If you&#8217;re going through the federal courts, you&#8217;re going to be financially ruined (not to mention having this drag on for years of your life) whether you win or lose.</p>
<p>Of course, that&#8217;s what Maisel&#8217;s lawyers are depending on. They&#8217;re milking the inherent inefficiency (and contributing to its brokeness and injustice, from my perspective). You can see that Maisel is completely giddy about it from <a href="http://harmonseidman.com/">his quote on their home page</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Harmon, Seidman and their associates represent clients across the country and overseas. They limit their practice exclusively to copyright infringement, always representing the copyright holders and never the infringers. They earn their fee by charging a percentage of what they obtain for you; no money for you, no fee for them. I highly recommend them.â€</p></blockquote>
<p>A+++ WOULD SUE AGAIN!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know whether to call it irony or just sad that Maisel and his lawyers made off w/ $30K+, which is nothing to them, but both many times the budget or proceeds of the project and certainly more than what any of the artists that participated in the project made.</p>
<p>Extra points as most of Maisel&#8217;s recent photographic work is street/architectural. If others applied the same legal sociopathy as Maisel et al, he would be up to his eyeballs in specious suits related to likeness releases and architectural copyright clearances. But I&#8217;m sure that Maisel doesn&#8217;t see (or doesn&#8217;t care about) the irony at all.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that Andy stood up for the right to write about this. This kind of copyright bullying is a lot more common than most people not involved in trying to publish or make art today realize. The deck is stacked against you, and it&#8217;s you get unlucky&#8230; well, this.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>He came out with $150,000 per issue to start?  Glad to see the court system doesn&#039;t demand realistic claims.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/23/why-fair-use-doesnt.html#comment-1153073</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;a chilling effect for every independent artist hoping to build upon or reference copyrighted works&quot;

Can you be an independent artists making transformation work? Seems like an oxymoron to me. You are dependent on another artist. Without the other artist, you have nothing to transform. 

Next, running a photo through a photoshop filter does not equate to independent work.

The lesson you should learn from this is to ask permission first. Lots of people are willing to give you permission if asked beforehand, but once you &quot;steal&quot; their work, they feel violated and not longer charitable towards you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a chilling effect for every independent artist hoping to build upon or reference copyrighted works&#8221;</p>
<p>Can you be an independent artists making transformation work? Seems like an oxymoron to me. You are dependent on another artist. Without the other artist, you have nothing to transform. </p>
<p>Next, running a photo through a photoshop filter does not equate to independent work.</p>
<p>The lesson you should learn from this is to ask permission first. Lots of people are willing to give you permission if asked beforehand, but once you &#8220;steal&#8221; their work, they feel violated and not longer charitable towards you.</p>
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		<title>By: The Raven</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/23/why-fair-use-doesnt.html#comment-1146682</link>
		<dc:creator>The Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair use is for &quot;criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research.&quot;  (I just checked.)  This use is none of these.  It&#039;s not a shortage of money that makes it impossible for Waxy to defend himself; it&#039;s a shortage of law.

WtF, Cory?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair use is for &#8220;criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research.&#8221;  (I just checked.)  This use is none of these.  It&#8217;s not a shortage of money that makes it impossible for Waxy to defend himself; it&#8217;s a shortage of law.</p>
<p>WtF, Cory?</p>
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		<title>By: fivetonsflax</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/23/why-fair-use-doesnt.html#comment-1145915</link>
		<dc:creator>fivetonsflax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ryan, you are confused.  Andy didn&#039;t say he sought permission to use &quot;samples&quot;.  I don&#039;t think any samples were used in this project, anyway.  What he did do is obtain the rights to the *compositions*.  Which was clearly necessary, because these were chiptune performances of the songs from &quot;Kind of Blue&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ryan, you are confused.  Andy didn&#8217;t say he sought permission to use &#8220;samples&#8221;.  I don&#8217;t think any samples were used in this project, anyway.  What he did do is obtain the rights to the *compositions*.  Which was clearly necessary, because these were chiptune performances of the songs from &#8220;Kind of Blue&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anil</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/23/why-fair-use-doesnt.html#comment-1145662</link>
		<dc:creator>Anil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couple minor nits: Might point out in the post that &quot;Waxy&quot; is Andy Baio, of Waxy.org, so people have that important context. And while Andy was certainly important in his former role as CTO of Kickstarter, I don&#039;t believe he was founder, or even *a* founder. (We&#039;re awful proud to have him as part of Expert Labs today.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple minor nits: Might point out in the post that &#8220;Waxy&#8221; is Andy Baio, of Waxy.org, so people have that important context. And while Andy was certainly important in his former role as CTO of Kickstarter, I don&#8217;t believe he was founder, or even *a* founder. (We&#8217;re awful proud to have him as part of Expert Labs today.)</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/23/why-fair-use-doesnt.html#comment-1145663</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This helps: http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html
Just get permission to be safe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This helps: <a href="http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html</a><br />
Just get permission to be safe.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/23/why-fair-use-doesnt.html#comment-1148225</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lot&#039;s of comments bemoan the expense that Waxy would incur in fighting the suit, and suggest that this somehow shows that Maisel is purely motivated by greed. I doubt this is the whole story, as Maisel also has considerable legal fees to pay and likely did not make much/anything from this litigation (at $400 - $1000 per hour, lawyers&#039; time adds up pretty quickly).

@quickbrownfox:
I don&#039;t understand how you can honestly suggest that Harper &amp; Row truly supports the proposition, in this context, that the effect on the market impact is the most important factor. The technical language of the opinion may say that, but the context is the complete opposite of what we are contemplating here: in Harper there was a considerable negative market effect, the argument that the use actually increased the market was not addressed, and the affirmative defence of Fair Use was not found.

It&#039;s also interesting the way you say the use of the photo is transformative, yet also discuss the compulsory licensing of music: compulsory licenses are only compulsory if the new work does not change the fundamental character of the work. If the 8-bit port-over of the original is transformative (as apparently the 8-bit version fo photos are), then it would seem to also take the music out of the compulsory licensing scheme. Yet you seem to suggest that the compulsory licensing would apply, which seems to suggest that the 8-bit port is not truly transformative. (I realize you probably believe that the 8-bit port of music is also fair use, and that the compulsory licenses are just bast ass-covering practices, but I&#039;m not sure that others will make the distinction.)

I think the reality is that we interpret whether something is transformative based on our idea of what the outcome should be. 8-bit ports of music are not transformative and don&#039;t change the fundamental character of the work because we want these uses to fall within the compulsory scheme. On the other hand we say that the 8-bit version of photographs is transformative (and presumably changes their fundamental character) because we want to allow fair use.

I think it&#039;s also true that if the situation was reversed and it was some young photographer suing Urban Outfitters for making an t-shirt with an 8-bit version of the photograph, we&#039;d probably have very different comments here: the anti-corporate sentiment also seems to dictate much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lot&#8217;s of comments bemoan the expense that Waxy would incur in fighting the suit, and suggest that this somehow shows that Maisel is purely motivated by greed. I doubt this is the whole story, as Maisel also has considerable legal fees to pay and likely did not make much/anything from this litigation (at $400 &#8211; $1000 per hour, lawyers&#8217; time adds up pretty quickly).</p>
<p>@quickbrownfox:<br />
I don&#8217;t understand how you can honestly suggest that Harper &#038; Row truly supports the proposition, in this context, that the effect on the market impact is the most important factor. The technical language of the opinion may say that, but the context is the complete opposite of what we are contemplating here: in Harper there was a considerable negative market effect, the argument that the use actually increased the market was not addressed, and the affirmative defence of Fair Use was not found.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also interesting the way you say the use of the photo is transformative, yet also discuss the compulsory licensing of music: compulsory licenses are only compulsory if the new work does not change the fundamental character of the work. If the 8-bit port-over of the original is transformative (as apparently the 8-bit version fo photos are), then it would seem to also take the music out of the compulsory licensing scheme. Yet you seem to suggest that the compulsory licensing would apply, which seems to suggest that the 8-bit port is not truly transformative. (I realize you probably believe that the 8-bit port of music is also fair use, and that the compulsory licenses are just bast ass-covering practices, but I&#8217;m not sure that others will make the distinction.)</p>
<p>I think the reality is that we interpret whether something is transformative based on our idea of what the outcome should be. 8-bit ports of music are not transformative and don&#8217;t change the fundamental character of the work because we want these uses to fall within the compulsory scheme. On the other hand we say that the 8-bit version of photographs is transformative (and presumably changes their fundamental character) because we want to allow fair use.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s also true that if the situation was reversed and it was some young photographer suing Urban Outfitters for making an t-shirt with an 8-bit version of the photograph, we&#8217;d probably have very different comments here: the anti-corporate sentiment also seems to dictate much.</p>
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		<title>By: cratermoon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/23/why-fair-use-doesnt.html#comment-1145666</link>
		<dc:creator>cratermoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A just system would not favor the moneyed interests over the folks with limited resources, regardless of who is in the wrong.  I&#039;ve thought about various ways the fair use law could be written to shift the burden of proof one way or another, but in the end it doesn&#039;t matter. Whoever can afford better lawyers and more litigation has a distinct advantage that doesn&#039;t depend on who is the alleged infringer and who is the owner of the original work.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A just system would not favor the moneyed interests over the folks with limited resources, regardless of who is in the wrong.  I&#8217;ve thought about various ways the fair use law could be written to shift the burden of proof one way or another, but in the end it doesn&#8217;t matter. Whoever can afford better lawyers and more litigation has a distinct advantage that doesn&#8217;t depend on who is the alleged infringer and who is the owner of the original work.</p>
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		<title>By: ccoates</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/23/why-fair-use-doesnt.html#comment-1145924</link>
		<dc:creator>ccoates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair use and similar statutes exist because there are more important things than creator&#039;s rights.  It&#039;s as simple as that.

Maybe that irks you, or emvee, or Maisel, but it doesn&#039;t matter.  It doesn&#039;t even matter if they profit from it.  Or that it&#039;s recognizable.  The point of the transformative criteria isn&#039;t to render art unrecognizable.  It&#039;s to evaluate whether or not value has been added, and it&#039;s not even the only criteria.  That&#039;s why the nature of the copyrighted work, the effect on the work&#039;s market (I would be BAFFLED if you&#039;re going to claim a chiptune version of the album would adversely affect Maisel&#039;s income in any way), and the amount of the work re-used also come into play.

And Walter, who cares if it&#039;s dropping in?  Joyce&#039;s Ulysses is &quot;dropping in&quot; by that standard.  The point of fair use isn&#039;t to avoid &quot;dropping in&quot;, which is a ridiculous perspective, given how widely artists in any medium trade or borrow ideas.  It&#039;s to strike a balance between creator&#039;s rights and user&#039;s rights.  And right now, the users are losing, the artists are losing, and only art conglomerates and their lawyers are coming out on top.

Which you may disagree with, but as detailed in the very post being referenced here, even U.S. copyright law historically disagrees with you, as Waxy&#039;s examples clearly show.  And despite the strength of his case, and the likelihood he would win, he can&#039;t afford to defend his work.  The entire point of his sharing this story with the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair use and similar statutes exist because there are more important things than creator&#8217;s rights.  It&#8217;s as simple as that.</p>
<p>Maybe that irks you, or emvee, or Maisel, but it doesn&#8217;t matter.  It doesn&#8217;t even matter if they profit from it.  Or that it&#8217;s recognizable.  The point of the transformative criteria isn&#8217;t to render art unrecognizable.  It&#8217;s to evaluate whether or not value has been added, and it&#8217;s not even the only criteria.  That&#8217;s why the nature of the copyrighted work, the effect on the work&#8217;s market (I would be BAFFLED if you&#8217;re going to claim a chiptune version of the album would adversely affect Maisel&#8217;s income in any way), and the amount of the work re-used also come into play.</p>
<p>And Walter, who cares if it&#8217;s dropping in?  Joyce&#8217;s Ulysses is &#8220;dropping in&#8221; by that standard.  The point of fair use isn&#8217;t to avoid &#8220;dropping in&#8221;, which is a ridiculous perspective, given how widely artists in any medium trade or borrow ideas.  It&#8217;s to strike a balance between creator&#8217;s rights and user&#8217;s rights.  And right now, the users are losing, the artists are losing, and only art conglomerates and their lawyers are coming out on top.</p>
<p>Which you may disagree with, but as detailed in the very post being referenced here, even U.S. copyright law historically disagrees with you, as Waxy&#8217;s examples clearly show.  And despite the strength of his case, and the likelihood he would win, he can&#8217;t afford to defend his work.  The entire point of his sharing this story with the world.</p>
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		<title>By: quickbrownfox</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/23/why-fair-use-doesnt.html#comment-1146436</link>
		<dc:creator>quickbrownfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Harper &amp; Row simply found that the negative financial impact on the book publisher (another magazine&#039;s contractual offer to pay for excerpts from the book was actually cancelled because the Nation&#039;s unauthorized scoop) meant that this factor favoured the publisher. It does not suport the proposition that having a positive effect on potential sales is likely to be compelling because the financial impact is the most influential factor.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nor did I claim otherwise. I cited the case for the narrow proposition that &quot;the effect on the market for the copyrighted work is the most important element of the fair use analysis.&quot; See 471 US 539 at 566 (&quot;[T]he effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work .Â .Â . is undoubtedly the single most important element of fair use.&quot;).

&lt;blockquote&gt;In Campbell (which did not involve audio samples but reworded lyrics).Â .Â .&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Not quite. 2 Live Crew also copied the opening bass riff and first line of the Roy Orbison original, which Acuff-Rose claimed constituted the &quot;heart&quot; of the song. I remembered that the bass riff was a sample, but from the language of the case it is unclearâ€”they might have re-recorded this.

&lt;blockquote&gt;.Â .Â .it is clear that the parody (and more broadly today, transformativeness) factor is the most important, as the parodic nature of the song essentially removed the last factor from any consideration, as the markets for the original and transformed works are very different and not commensurable.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, transformativeness was key in &lt;i&gt;Campbell&lt;/i&gt;, but the Court also devoted several pages to the issue of market harm. Further, the Court acknowledged that these factors are intertwined: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;But when, on the contrary, the second use is transformative, market substitution is at least less certain, and market harm may not be so readily inferred. Indeed, as to parody pure and simple, it is more likely that the new work will not affect the market for the original in a way cognizable under this factor, that is, by acting as a substitute for it (&quot;supersed[ing] [its] objects&quot;).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

510 US at 591. As with parodies, a pixel-art illustration based on the original cover photograph is unlikely to serve as a substitute for the original image.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Adopting this reasoning, if the bit-mapped image is truly transformative then the market factor should again be neutral because there is no shared market.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not sure that I understand what you&#039;re saying here, but under the Copyright Act and the Court&#039;s fair use opinions, the fact that the cover of Kind of Bloop does not serve as a market substitute for the original is at least a point in favor of a finding of fair use. I&#039;m not saying that it is determinative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Harper &#038; Row simply found that the negative financial impact on the book publisher (another magazine&#8217;s contractual offer to pay for excerpts from the book was actually cancelled because the Nation&#8217;s unauthorized scoop) meant that this factor favoured the publisher. It does not suport the proposition that having a positive effect on potential sales is likely to be compelling because the financial impact is the most influential factor.</p></blockquote>
<p>Nor did I claim otherwise. I cited the case for the narrow proposition that &#8220;the effect on the market for the copyrighted work is the most important element of the fair use analysis.&#8221; See 471 US 539 at 566 (&#8220;[T]he effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work .Â .Â . is undoubtedly the single most important element of fair use.&#8221;).</p>
<blockquote><p>In Campbell (which did not involve audio samples but reworded lyrics).Â .Â .</p></blockquote>
<p>Not quite. 2 Live Crew also copied the opening bass riff and first line of the Roy Orbison original, which Acuff-Rose claimed constituted the &#8220;heart&#8221; of the song. I remembered that the bass riff was a sample, but from the language of the case it is unclearâ€”they might have re-recorded this.</p>
<blockquote><p>.Â .Â .it is clear that the parody (and more broadly today, transformativeness) factor is the most important, as the parodic nature of the song essentially removed the last factor from any consideration, as the markets for the original and transformed works are very different and not commensurable.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, transformativeness was key in <i>Campbell</i>, but the Court also devoted several pages to the issue of market harm. Further, the Court acknowledged that these factors are intertwined: </p>
<blockquote><p>But when, on the contrary, the second use is transformative, market substitution is at least less certain, and market harm may not be so readily inferred. Indeed, as to parody pure and simple, it is more likely that the new work will not affect the market for the original in a way cognizable under this factor, that is, by acting as a substitute for it (&#8220;supersed[ing] [its] objects&#8221;).</p></blockquote>
<p>510 US at 591. As with parodies, a pixel-art illustration based on the original cover photograph is unlikely to serve as a substitute for the original image.</p>
<blockquote><p>Adopting this reasoning, if the bit-mapped image is truly transformative then the market factor should again be neutral because there is no shared market.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that I understand what you&#8217;re saying here, but under the Copyright Act and the Court&#8217;s fair use opinions, the fact that the cover of Kind of Bloop does not serve as a market substitute for the original is at least a point in favor of a finding of fair use. I&#8217;m not saying that it is determinative.</p>
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		<title>By: joeposts</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/23/why-fair-use-doesnt.html#comment-1145678</link>
		<dc:creator>joeposts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if $30,000 is nothing to Jay Maisel - it could buy some new towel warmers for his 72-room Manhattan mansion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if $30,000 is nothing to Jay Maisel &#8211; it could buy some new towel warmers for his 72-room Manhattan mansion.</p>
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		<title>By: benher</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/23/why-fair-use-doesnt.html#comment-1146455</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US always baffles me in this respect. 

If you end up on the wrong end of the law - or really, a litigious bastard, you have no options. None. You will be financially crippled until the universe implodes. Worse yet, if you fight it and lose you are not only a pauper for life (PFL!) but now there is a legal precedent for future would-be victims.

Wee!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US always baffles me in this respect. </p>
<p>If you end up on the wrong end of the law &#8211; or really, a litigious bastard, you have no options. None. You will be financially crippled until the universe implodes. Worse yet, if you fight it and lose you are not only a pauper for life (PFL!) but now there is a legal precedent for future would-be victims.</p>
<p>Wee!!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/23/why-fair-use-doesnt.html#comment-1146968</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha ha - http://memegenerator.net/instance/8404703</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha ha &#8211; <a href="http://memegenerator.net/instance/8404703" rel="nofollow">http://memegenerator.net/instance/8404703</a></p>
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		<title>By: smagdali</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/23/why-fair-use-doesnt.html#comment-1145434</link>
		<dc:creator>smagdali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can comment on Jay Maisel&#039;s facebook page here:

http://www.facebook.com/jaymaisel

just sayin&#039;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can comment on Jay Maisel&#8217;s facebook page here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/jaymaisel" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/jaymaisel</a></p>
<p>just sayin&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: mjbraun</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/23/why-fair-use-doesnt.html#comment-1145947</link>
		<dc:creator>mjbraun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, his Facebook page has been removed. The contact form on his website, however, is still up:

http://www.jaymaisel.com/contact/

That said, I hope that people will try sending rational, thought out messages, rather than the &quot;Go die in a fire&quot; stuff that was on the Facebook page before it was taken down. While Mr. Maisel probably won&#039;t care either way, he&#039;d most likely give even less of a damn if insulted and/or threatened. 

I bought the album and wrote a message and I encourage others to do the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, his Facebook page has been removed. The contact form on his website, however, is still up:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jaymaisel.com/contact/" rel="nofollow">http://www.jaymaisel.com/contact/</a></p>
<p>That said, I hope that people will try sending rational, thought out messages, rather than the &#8220;Go die in a fire&#8221; stuff that was on the Facebook page before it was taken down. While Mr. Maisel probably won&#8217;t care either way, he&#8217;d most likely give even less of a damn if insulted and/or threatened. </p>
<p>I bought the album and wrote a message and I encourage others to do the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/23/why-fair-use-doesnt.html#comment-1146462</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh oh spaghettio: http://memegenerator.net/create/caption-top-bottom/image/962084</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh oh spaghettio: <a href="http://memegenerator.net/create/caption-top-bottom/image/962084" rel="nofollow">http://memegenerator.net/create/caption-top-bottom/image/962084</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tdawwg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/06/23/why-fair-use-doesnt.html#comment-1145441</link>
		<dc:creator>Tdawwg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The image is still up on Waxy&#039;s site, and is reproduced here. Don&#039;t the same issues still obtain with reproducing it? Aren&#039;t you risking liability? Etc. I&#039;m rather concerned, as Maisel seems like an incredibly litigious, nasty fuck of a man.

I hope he gets Streisand-ed, and all of his lovely pictures remixed and appropriated ad infinitum. Let&#039;s do this!!!</description>
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<p>I hope he gets Streisand-ed, and all of his lovely pictures remixed and appropriated ad infinitum. Let&#8217;s do this!!!</p>
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