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		<title>By: dculberson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/05/suffragette-surveill.html#comment-1155352</link>
		<dc:creator>dculberson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yet MLK and Ghandi achieved even more without such tactics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet MLK and Ghandi achieved even more without such tactics.</p>
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		<title>By: blueelm</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/05/suffragette-surveill.html#comment-1155364</link>
		<dc:creator>blueelm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, because there has never been any violent insurgency due to race in the US or in India.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, because there has never been any violent insurgency due to race in the US or in India.</p>
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		<title>By: Gulliver</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/05/suffragette-surveill.html#comment-1155367</link>
		<dc:creator>Gulliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes you need MLK, sometimes you need Malcolm X. African Americans, however, were second-class citizens with a constitutional right to vote since 1870. Women had no such power. They were de facto property. Ending that practice toward AAs took a civil war in the the US followed by decades of fighting against Jim Crow in the courts and with civil disobedience.

Would you not fight for your vote if someone took it from &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes you need MLK, sometimes you need Malcolm X. African Americans, however, were second-class citizens with a constitutional right to vote since 1870. Women had no such power. They were de facto property. Ending that practice toward AAs took a civil war in the the US followed by decades of fighting against Jim Crow in the courts and with civil disobedience.</p>
<p>Would you not fight for your vote if someone took it from <i>you</i>?</p>
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		<title>By: Robbo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/05/suffragette-surveill.html#comment-1155383</link>
		<dc:creator>Robbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Top row - far left - Putin&#039;s mom.

It is sad that the silly monkeys who continually put themselves in charge of the human race so consistently make the same mistakes and commit the same crimes in their desperate attempts to cling to power.  Every time it becomes a new battle.  Silly monkeys.

Say goodnight, Mrs. Putin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Top row &#8211; far left &#8211; Putin&#8217;s mom.</p>
<p>It is sad that the silly monkeys who continually put themselves in charge of the human race so consistently make the same mistakes and commit the same crimes in their desperate attempts to cling to power.  Every time it becomes a new battle.  Silly monkeys.</p>
<p>Say goodnight, Mrs. Putin.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/05/suffragette-surveill.html#comment-1156160</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon: I don&#039;t know where you&#039;re getting your information but women over 30 were granted the vote in the UK in 1918 and this was extended to all adult women on the same terms as men by the Representation of the People Act in 1928. There was no colour bar.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon: I don&#8217;t know where you&#8217;re getting your information but women over 30 were granted the vote in the UK in 1918 and this was extended to all adult women on the same terms as men by the Representation of the People Act in 1928. There was no colour bar.  </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/05/suffragette-surveill.html#comment-1155393</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3rd from the right has a great &quot;just got out of the psych ward&quot; look actually</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3rd from the right has a great &#8220;just got out of the psych ward&#8221; look actually</p>
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		<title>By: blueelm</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/05/suffragette-surveill.html#comment-1155396</link>
		<dc:creator>blueelm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Every time it becomes a new battle.&quot;

Indeed. Silly and sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Every time it becomes a new battle.&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed. Silly and sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Dane</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/05/suffragette-surveill.html#comment-1155397</link>
		<dc:creator>Dane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This photo is on view at the Walker Art Center right now in Minneapolis, as part of the &quot;Exposed: Voyeurism, Surveillance, and the Camera Since 1870&quot; exhibit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This photo is on view at the Walker Art Center right now in Minneapolis, as part of the &#8220;Exposed: Voyeurism, Surveillance, and the Camera Since 1870&#8243; exhibit</p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/05/suffragette-surveill.html#comment-1155403</link>
		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to Disney I&#039;m now imagining that those photos were taken shortly after a family-friendly musical number led by Winifred Banks (as portrayed by Glynis Johns).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to Disney I&#8217;m now imagining that those photos were taken shortly after a family-friendly musical number led by Winifred Banks (as portrayed by Glynis Johns).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/05/suffragette-surveill.html#comment-1155406</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, none of them could afford the ticket, back from Suffragette city.  All right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, none of them could afford the ticket, back from Suffragette city.  All right.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/05/suffragette-surveill.html#comment-1155420</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose that excuses Scotland Yard for paying attention to some of them, and condemns the government for needing them to go to such lengths before doing the right thing? But given how we spy on possible terrorists now, I wonder what portion of these women were actually any concern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose that excuses Scotland Yard for paying attention to some of them, and condemns the government for needing them to go to such lengths before doing the right thing? But given how we spy on possible terrorists now, I wonder what portion of these women were actually any concern.</p>
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		<title>By: JaxSean</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/05/suffragette-surveill.html#comment-1156197</link>
		<dc:creator>JaxSean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From your link: &quot;A new suffrage bill was introduced in 1910, but growing impatient, the WSPU launched a heightened campaign of protest in 1912 on the basis of targeting property and avoiding violence against any person.&quot;

Causing property damage isn&#039;t the same thing as terrorizing people, rather, it&#039;s a means of making oppressive policies too expensive to maintain. Given that the distribution of power (and force) in this case was clearly in the state&#039;s favor, I would say that these women would have been entirely justified in targeting policymakers. The fact that they did not, excepting a few cases, shows an impressive degree of restraint and courage.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From your link: &#8220;A new suffrage bill was introduced in 1910, but growing impatient, the WSPU launched a heightened campaign of protest in 1912 on the basis of targeting property and avoiding violence against any person.&#8221;</p>
<p>Causing property damage isn&#8217;t the same thing as terrorizing people, rather, it&#8217;s a means of making oppressive policies too expensive to maintain. Given that the distribution of power (and force) in this case was clearly in the state&#8217;s favor, I would say that these women would have been entirely justified in targeting policymakers. The fact that they did not, excepting a few cases, shows an impressive degree of restraint and courage.</p>
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		<title>By: pepsibookcat</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/05/suffragette-surveill.html#comment-1155760</link>
		<dc:creator>pepsibookcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This made my day.

1. Print out.
2. Cover in clear contact paper.
3. Tack up on kitchen cabinet door between Airwolf flightsuit patch and glow in the dark rubber octopus.
4. Smile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This made my day.</p>
<p>1. Print out.<br />
2. Cover in clear contact paper.<br />
3. Tack up on kitchen cabinet door between Airwolf flightsuit patch and glow in the dark rubber octopus.<br />
4. Smile.</p>
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		<title>By: Belj</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/05/suffragette-surveill.html#comment-1156275</link>
		<dc:creator>Belj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>American Indians did not have vote for decades after 1870, even after having signed up to serve in US military. Don&#039;t know what I would have done in suffragette era, it took courage to endure prison as they did. I can&#039;t imagine not having a vote! Many women managed to have a lot of political influence without the vote if they were in a position to do that, word in ear at social fucntions rather than vote in ballot box. For many women that was not a possibility either. Can&#039;t credit them being described as &#039;terrorists&#039;! I think my preference would have been for peaceful persuasion rather than outright militancy. Extraordinary to think even in 2011, women are being treated as criminals for driving in Saudi Arabia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>American Indians did not have vote for decades after 1870, even after having signed up to serve in US military. Don&#8217;t know what I would have done in suffragette era, it took courage to endure prison as they did. I can&#8217;t imagine not having a vote! Many women managed to have a lot of political influence without the vote if they were in a position to do that, word in ear at social fucntions rather than vote in ballot box. For many women that was not a possibility either. Can&#8217;t credit them being described as &#8216;terrorists&#8217;! I think my preference would have been for peaceful persuasion rather than outright militancy. Extraordinary to think even in 2011, women are being treated as criminals for driving in Saudi Arabia.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/05/suffragette-surveill.html#comment-1155515</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These women &quot;demanded votes for women&quot;? All women? Because I know for a fact all women (I&#039;m talking about non-white women) were not given the vote at the same time. Nice to see we continue to be written out of history after all these years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These women &#8220;demanded votes for women&#8221;? All women? Because I know for a fact all women (I&#8217;m talking about non-white women) were not given the vote at the same time. Nice to see we continue to be written out of history after all these years.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/05/suffragette-surveill.html#comment-1156044</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank God, we had free thinking people in our government wise enough to keep track of these monsters.  Just imagine how safe they can make us with current technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank God, we had free thinking people in our government wise enough to keep track of these monsters.  Just imagine how safe they can make us with current technology.</p>
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		<title>By: The Morgan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/05/suffragette-surveill.html#comment-1155299</link>
		<dc:creator>The Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeepers, 1912? Women had already had the vote for 20 years in New Zealand by that point. You&#039;d think that what&#039;s good in one part of the commonwealth should fly elsewhere, but you&#039;d be wrong.

The whole thing is bloody outrageous, isn&#039;t it? Same way we&#039;ll feel about gay marriage and who knows how many other things a century from now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeepers, 1912? Women had already had the vote for 20 years in New Zealand by that point. You&#8217;d think that what&#8217;s good in one part of the commonwealth should fly elsewhere, but you&#8217;d be wrong.</p>
<p>The whole thing is bloody outrageous, isn&#8217;t it? Same way we&#8217;ll feel about gay marriage and who knows how many other things a century from now.</p>
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		<title>By: razen cain</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/05/suffragette-surveill.html#comment-1155301</link>
		<dc:creator>razen cain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 3rd from the left on top has a great &quot;don&#039;t give a fuck&quot; attitude with her hair and kick ass jacket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 3rd from the left on top has a great &#8220;don&#8217;t give a fuck&#8221; attitude with her hair and kick ass jacket.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying that they were &quot;regarded as terrorists in their day&quot; seems unfairly dismissive. The more militant ones *were* terrorists, committed arson and bombed churches (including Westminster Abbey).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying that they were &#8220;regarded as terrorists in their day&#8221; seems unfairly dismissive. The more militant ones *were* terrorists, committed arson and bombed churches (including Westminster Abbey).</p>
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		<title>By: Gulliver</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/05/suffragette-surveill.html#comment-1155303</link>
		<dc:creator>Gulliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not good per se, but it is perversely reassuring to know that the term &lt;i&gt;terrorism&lt;/i&gt; was being bandied about for things that clearly weren&#039;t even a hundred years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not good per se, but it is perversely reassuring to know that the term <i>terrorism</i> was being bandied about for things that clearly weren&#8217;t even a hundred years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: knoxblox</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/05/suffragette-surveill.html#comment-1155304</link>
		<dc:creator>knoxblox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

I&#039;ll bet the machine will have recycled a new cause to rally against by the time a century goes by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, the more things change, the more they stay the same.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll bet the machine will have recycled a new cause to rally against by the time a century goes by.</p>
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		<title>By: Gulliver</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/05/suffragette-surveill.html#comment-1155305</link>
		<dc:creator>Gulliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
The whole thing is bloody outrageous, isn&#039;t it? Same way we&#039;ll feel about gay marriage and who knows how many other things a century from now.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Many of us already do. And just as there are a handful of people left who believe half their fellow citizens should be disenfranchised, there will be holdouts who can&#039;t stand not dictating the relationships of others.</description>
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The whole thing is bloody outrageous, isn&#8217;t it? Same way we&#8217;ll feel about gay marriage and who knows how many other things a century from now.
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<p>Many of us already do. And just as there are a handful of people left who believe half their fellow citizens should be disenfranchised, there will be holdouts who can&#8217;t stand not dictating the relationships of others.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as we love to tout new technologies as a liberating and often equalizing force, this is a sober reminder of how it can be a tool to keep us down.
-@jscottgrand</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as we love to tout new technologies as a liberating and often equalizing force, this is a sober reminder of how it can be a tool to keep us down.<br />
-@jscottgrand</p>
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		<title>By: Gulliver</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/05/suffragette-surveill.html#comment-1155309</link>
		<dc:creator>Gulliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
I&#039;ll bet the machine will have recycled a new cause to rally against by the time a century goes by.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Maybe, but I still wouldnâ€™t want to live in the past. I&#039;m guessing it would suck more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
I&#8217;ll bet the machine will have recycled a new cause to rally against by the time a century goes by.
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<p>Maybe, but I still wouldnâ€™t want to live in the past. I&#8217;m guessing it would suck more.</p>
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		<title>By: phisrow</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/05/suffragette-surveill.html#comment-1155312</link>
		<dc:creator>phisrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That must have been an slightly nerve-wracking procurement request...

&quot;Sir, with respect, in will require the latest in cover photo-graphic device to properly investigate a dangerous group of women of ill repute, deleterious to the common order.&quot;

&quot;Officer, what have I told you about those filthy habits of yours?&quot;

&quot;No, sir, not those women sir, the terrorist ones.&quot;

&quot;Ah, very well. Did you have a number in mind or should I open an expense account?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That must have been an slightly nerve-wracking procurement request&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Sir, with respect, in will require the latest in cover photo-graphic device to properly investigate a dangerous group of women of ill repute, deleterious to the common order.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Officer, what have I told you about those filthy habits of yours?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;No, sir, not those women sir, the terrorist ones.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Ah, very well. Did you have a number in mind or should I open an expense account?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rayonic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/05/suffragette-surveill.html#comment-1155314</link>
		<dc:creator>Rayonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It&#039;s not good per se, but it is perversely reassuring to know that the term &lt;i&gt;terrorism&lt;/i&gt; was being bandied about for things that clearly weren&#039;t even a hundred years ago.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Tell me about it. &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_Social_and_Political_Union#Campaigning_becomes_more_militant&quot;&gt;Burn a few churches and send a few mail bombs&lt;/a&gt; and suddenly the government thinks you&#039;re a terrorist!

It&#039;s outrageous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It&#8217;s not good per se, but it is perversely reassuring to know that the term <i>terrorism</i> was being bandied about for things that clearly weren&#8217;t even a hundred years ago.</p></blockquote>
<p>Tell me about it. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_Social_and_Political_Union#Campaigning_becomes_more_militant">Burn a few churches and send a few mail bombs</a> and suddenly the government thinks you&#8217;re a terrorist!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s outrageous.</p>
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		<title>By: knoxblox</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/05/suffragette-surveill.html#comment-1155320</link>
		<dc:creator>knoxblox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, yeah. Neither Prilosec nor Advair had been invented yet.

Joking aside, I truly think that back then I&#039;d be dead from a stress-related asthma attack or an ulcer if I had to endure the punishment these women shouldered in their fight for civil rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, yeah. Neither Prilosec nor Advair had been invented yet.</p>
<p>Joking aside, I truly think that back then I&#8217;d be dead from a stress-related asthma attack or an ulcer if I had to endure the punishment these women shouldered in their fight for civil rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Gulliver</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/05/suffragette-surveill.html#comment-1155321</link>
		<dc:creator>Gulliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s a slave to do but fight until they&#039;re free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s a slave to do but fight until they&#8217;re free?</p>
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