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		<title>By: semiotix</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/18/world-timezones-the.html#comment-1165825</link>
		<dc:creator>semiotix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool project, I&#039;m sure. But serious question--what&#039;s screwed up about time zones? Don&#039;t they actually work quite well for what they are?

Sure, the borders are irregular, but that&#039;s because populations aren&#039;t evenly distributed and it&#039;s worth it to most countries not to split themselves into two or more zones, if they can help it. There&#039;s nothing particularly holy about solar noon being 12:00 anymore. And that map &lt;i&gt;greatly&lt;/i&gt; (visually) exaggerates the reality on the ground, as a glance at a &quot;normal&quot; time zone map will tell you. You could cross a lot of different colors on the map before you had to change your watch.

I can think of a few changes that have been made--some shenanigans with islands wanting to be first into the millennium, and tinkering with the specific days that daylight savings took effect. But so what? How much simpler does it need to be?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool project, I&#8217;m sure. But serious question&#8211;what&#8217;s screwed up about time zones? Don&#8217;t they actually work quite well for what they are?</p>
<p>Sure, the borders are irregular, but that&#8217;s because populations aren&#8217;t evenly distributed and it&#8217;s worth it to most countries not to split themselves into two or more zones, if they can help it. There&#8217;s nothing particularly holy about solar noon being 12:00 anymore. And that map <i>greatly</i> (visually) exaggerates the reality on the ground, as a glance at a &#8220;normal&#8221; time zone map will tell you. You could cross a lot of different colors on the map before you had to change your watch.</p>
<p>I can think of a few changes that have been made&#8211;some shenanigans with islands wanting to be first into the millennium, and tinkering with the specific days that daylight savings took effect. But so what? How much simpler does it need to be?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/18/world-timezones-the.html#comment-1166090</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This map seems to be inaccurate in at least one manner.  Looking at the US, it still shows the outline of Indiana below Lake Michigan because it used to be a standout of daylight savings time and belonged to neither Central or Eastern timezones.   Notice the past tense?  3-4 Years ago It was changed such that most of Indiana is now Eastern.  The map or page linked to does not reflect this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This map seems to be inaccurate in at least one manner.  Looking at the US, it still shows the outline of Indiana below Lake Michigan because it used to be a standout of daylight savings time and belonged to neither Central or Eastern timezones.   Notice the past tense?  3-4 Years ago It was changed such that most of Indiana is now Eastern.  The map or page linked to does not reflect this.</p>
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		<title>By: nemryn</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/18/world-timezones-the.html#comment-1166869</link>
		<dc:creator>nemryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never mind, I looked it up.

For anybody else wondering: &#039;multipolygon&#039; is a term that refers to multiple disjoint polygons, considered as a single entity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never mind, I looked it up.</p>
<p>For anybody else wondering: &#8216;multipolygon&#8217; is a term that refers to multiple disjoint polygons, considered as a single entity.</p>
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		<title>By: darsal</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/18/world-timezones-the.html#comment-1165847</link>
		<dc:creator>darsal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The TZ file reflects the actual practices, not necessarily the official ones. Newfoundland sets time by their official zone, but Labrador doesn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The TZ file reflects the actual practices, not necessarily the official ones. Newfoundland sets time by their official zone, but Labrador doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: IronEdithKidd</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/18/world-timezones-the.html#comment-1166107</link>
		<dc:creator>IronEdithKidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are about 4 counties in the upper peninsula of Michigan that border Wisconsin that are in the central time zone.  All the rest of the UP and LP are in the eastern time zone.  It makes no sense for *all* of Michigan to be shown as some oddball sitting on the northern tier.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are about 4 counties in the upper peninsula of Michigan that border Wisconsin that are in the central time zone.  All the rest of the UP and LP are in the eastern time zone.  It makes no sense for *all* of Michigan to be shown as some oddball sitting on the northern tier.  </p>
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		<title>By: Bender</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/18/world-timezones-the.html#comment-1166111</link>
		<dc:creator>Bender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of Indiana is now permanently part of the E.S.T., which means we get to change clocks now too. Most of us enjoyed not doing that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of Indiana is now permanently part of the E.S.T., which means we get to change clocks now too. Most of us enjoyed not doing that.</p>
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		<title>By: sla29970</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/18/world-timezones-the.html#comment-1165857</link>
		<dc:creator>sla29970</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TZ2011b?  What I see on the &lt;a href=&quot;ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub&quot;&gt;ftp server&lt;/a&gt; is tzdata2011h.  This is old news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TZ2011b?  What I see on the <a href="ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub">ftp server</a> is tzdata2011h.  This is old news.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/18/world-timezones-the.html#comment-1166127</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as noted above, there are many errors.
In Canada, Newfoundland and Labrador have the same time.
Manitoba and Saskatchewan have the same time.
And why doesn&#039;t the map show areas that have a time difference of just one-half hour?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as noted above, there are many errors.<br />
In Canada, Newfoundland and Labrador have the same time.<br />
Manitoba and Saskatchewan have the same time.<br />
And why doesn&#8217;t the map show areas that have a time difference of just one-half hour?</p>
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		<title>By: jetfx</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/18/world-timezones-the.html#comment-1165876</link>
		<dc:creator>jetfx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome! Thanks for the find Cory.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/18/world-timezones-the.html#comment-1166168</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe this has already been said, but Newfoundland and Labrador do actually have different timezones. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe this has already been said, but Newfoundland and Labrador do actually have different timezones. </p>
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		<title>By: nemryn</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/18/world-timezones-the.html#comment-1166191</link>
		<dc:creator>nemryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, so what&#039;s a &#039;multipolygon&#039;, and how is it different from a regular polygon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so what&#8217;s a &#8216;multipolygon&#8217;, and how is it different from a regular polygon?</p>
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		<title>By: CLP</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/18/world-timezones-the.html#comment-1166202</link>
		<dc:creator>CLP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you look at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://efele.net/maps/tz/us/&quot;&gt;US map&lt;/a&gt; closely, you&#039;ll see that those 10 Michigan counties are in a separate zone (&quot;America/Menominee&quot;) than the rest of Michigan (&quot;America/Detroit&quot;). The reason Michigan is shown as &quot;some oddball&quot; is that the zones reflect historical changes, not just the current time zones. According to &lt;a href=&quot;http://cs.ucla.edu/~eggert/tz/tz-link.htm&quot;&gt;the TZ database authors&lt;/a&gt;, &quot;Each location in the database represents a national region where all clocks keeping local time have agreed since 1970.&quot; Michigan is set apart to reflect its transition from Central to Eastern; its clocks have been in &lt;b&gt;continuous&lt;/b&gt; agreement with &lt;b&gt;neither&lt;/b&gt; the clocks of Chicago nor the clocks of New York since 1970. (This also explains why Indiana has so many zones: various parts of Indiana have switched between Central and Eastern at various times.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look at the <a href="http://efele.net/maps/tz/us/">US map</a> closely, you&#8217;ll see that those 10 Michigan counties are in a separate zone (&#8220;America/Menominee&#8221;) than the rest of Michigan (&#8220;America/Detroit&#8221;). The reason Michigan is shown as &#8220;some oddball&#8221; is that the zones reflect historical changes, not just the current time zones. According to <a href="http://cs.ucla.edu/~eggert/tz/tz-link.htm">the TZ database authors</a>, &#8220;Each location in the database represents a national region where all clocks keeping local time have agreed since 1970.&#8221; Michigan is set apart to reflect its transition from Central to Eastern; its clocks have been in <b>continuous</b> agreement with <b>neither</b> the clocks of Chicago nor the clocks of New York since 1970. (This also explains why Indiana has so many zones: various parts of Indiana have switched between Central and Eastern at various times.)</p>
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		<title>By: avikakol</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/18/world-timezones-the.html#comment-1165948</link>
		<dc:creator>avikakol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, china only has one timezone. no idea where the 5? shown here come from...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, china only has one timezone. no idea where the 5? shown here come from&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/18/world-timezones-the.html#comment-1165960</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the areas that are seperate that you&#039;d think would be connected are divided not because of a different time zone but because of different rules regarding daylight saving time (or the local equivalent).

On a semi-related note, Russia just did away with changing between summer time and winter time due to all of the trouble the change causes twice a year.  They&#039;re now permanently on summer time. Kind of wish we&#039;d do the same here in the States but then there wouldn&#039;t be any dates for pols to change every couple of years to make it look like they&#039;re doing something to combat rising energy prices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the areas that are seperate that you&#8217;d think would be connected are divided not because of a different time zone but because of different rules regarding daylight saving time (or the local equivalent).</p>
<p>On a semi-related note, Russia just did away with changing between summer time and winter time due to all of the trouble the change causes twice a year.  They&#8217;re now permanently on summer time. Kind of wish we&#8217;d do the same here in the States but then there wouldn&#8217;t be any dates for pols to change every couple of years to make it look like they&#8217;re doing something to combat rising energy prices.</p>
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		<title>By: CLP</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/18/world-timezones-the.html#comment-1166227</link>
		<dc:creator>CLP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, I meant 4 counties, not 10.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I meant 4 counties, not 10.</p>
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		<title>By: ladefoged</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/18/world-timezones-the.html#comment-1165984</link>
		<dc:creator>ladefoged</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first sentence of this story is my favorite sentence of the last 10 days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first sentence of this story is my favorite sentence of the last 10 days.</p>
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		<title>By: Metlin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/18/world-timezones-the.html#comment-1166010</link>
		<dc:creator>Metlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in India right now, and India also has only one time zone. I guess it&#039;s easier as a developing country to avoid the complications of timezones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in India right now, and India also has only one time zone. I guess it&#8217;s easier as a developing country to avoid the complications of timezones.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/18/world-timezones-the.html#comment-1165756</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fun fact: China uses only 1 timezone. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_China</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fun fact: China uses only 1 timezone. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_China" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_China</a></p>
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		<title>By: gregbaker</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/18/world-timezones-the.html#comment-1166016</link>
		<dc:creator>gregbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is being captured by multiple timezones in China (and some places in Canada that I&#039;m fairly certain have the same timezone) is historical differences. Beijing and Harbin have the same time now, but before 1949 they were different: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_time_zones_of_China

I am in awe of the anal-retentiveness that led to this map (and the underlying zoneinfo database).

I am also somewhat surprised that the map is this *simple* given that it captures not only current but historical differences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is being captured by multiple timezones in China (and some places in Canada that I&#8217;m fairly certain have the same timezone) is historical differences. Beijing and Harbin have the same time now, but before 1949 they were different: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_time_zones_of_China" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_time_zones_of_China</a></p>
<p>I am in awe of the anal-retentiveness that led to this map (and the underlying zoneinfo database).</p>
<p>I am also somewhat surprised that the map is this *simple* given that it captures not only current but historical differences.</p>
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		<title>By: kjulig</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/18/world-timezones-the.html#comment-1166030</link>
		<dc:creator>kjulig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I&#039;m sure this is useful and accurate (and seems to include historical information) but the image doesn&#039;t just show today&#039;s &quot;world timezones.&quot; For example, about two dozen countries in Western and Central Europe are in the same time zone, yet they show up as lots of individual colorful patches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m sure this is useful and accurate (and seems to include historical information) but the image doesn&#8217;t just show today&#8217;s &#8220;world timezones.&#8221; For example, about two dozen countries in Western and Central Europe are in the same time zone, yet they show up as lots of individual colorful patches.</p>
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		<title>By: coaxial</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/18/world-timezones-the.html#comment-1166047</link>
		<dc:creator>coaxial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alas, that map is riddled with errors.  Looks like someone is conflating regions with timezones.  Not only is China wrong, but so is Russia.  It&#039;s not even right if you used Russia&#039;s timezone map from 2009 (See: http://robotmonkeys.net/tag/timezones/ ).  Also, whoever made the map, can&#039;t color it correctly.  US Eastern and Central have the same color.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alas, that map is riddled with errors.  Looks like someone is conflating regions with timezones.  Not only is China wrong, but so is Russia.  It&#8217;s not even right if you used Russia&#8217;s timezone map from 2009 (See: <a href="http://robotmonkeys.net/tag/timezones/" rel="nofollow">http://robotmonkeys.net/tag/timezones/</a> ).  Also, whoever made the map, can&#8217;t color it correctly.  US Eastern and Central have the same color.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/18/world-timezones-the.html#comment-1165797</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yay for freely available complex GIS data! But based on the image being shown, there are some strange patterns. 1) Newfoundland and Labrador are the same province with the same timezone, but have different colours. The lower peninsula and most of the upper peninsula of Michigan are eastern time zone, but marked differently than the rest of the eastern time zone. Why are US states joined but not Canadian provinces? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yay for freely available complex GIS data! But based on the image being shown, there are some strange patterns. 1) Newfoundland and Labrador are the same province with the same timezone, but have different colours. The lower peninsula and most of the upper peninsula of Michigan are eastern time zone, but marked differently than the rest of the eastern time zone. Why are US states joined but not Canadian provinces? </p>
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