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	<title>Comments on: Forget the Hindenburg: What I learned on board a&#160;zeppelin</title>
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		<title>By: ROSSINDETROIT</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/21/forget-the-hindenbur.html#comment-1171549</link>
		<dc:creator>ROSSINDETROIT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2011 18:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read that there used to be lighter-than-air passenger service from Europe to South America in the thirties.  That would be one classy way to travel.</description>
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		<title>By: sampieter</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/21/forget-the-hindenbur.html#comment-1171225</link>
		<dc:creator>sampieter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2011 08:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post needs a link to that awesome game, Low-altitude Attack  Zeppelin:
http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/09/25/bbg-presents-a-futil.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post needs a link to that awesome game, Low-altitude Attack  Zeppelin:<br />
<a href="http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/09/25/bbg-presents-a-futil.html" rel="nofollow">http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/09/25/bbg-presents-a-futil.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: JayByrd</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/21/forget-the-hindenbur.html#comment-1168135</link>
		<dc:creator>JayByrd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though it was built by the Zeppelin company, the Eureka is not a true zeppelin, but rather a semi-rigid airship. A true zeppelin has a complete frame, like the burned-up Erector set left on the ground at Lakehurst, N.J., May 6, 1937.
As a member of the Goodyear Blimp Club (I still have a card from my 1969 flight on the Mayflower) I&#039;d have to say it&#039;s still a great way to fly -- especially at zero airspeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though it was built by the Zeppelin company, the Eureka is not a true zeppelin, but rather a semi-rigid airship. A true zeppelin has a complete frame, like the burned-up Erector set left on the ground at Lakehurst, N.J., May 6, 1937.<br />
As a member of the Goodyear Blimp Club (I still have a card from my 1969 flight on the Mayflower) I&#8217;d have to say it&#8217;s still a great way to fly &#8212; especially at zero airspeed.</p>
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		<title>By: angusm</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/21/forget-the-hindenbur.html#comment-1168139</link>
		<dc:creator>angusm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d think that monitoring the health of the airship and keeping the lift and ballast trimmed is something that could eventually be automated, which might reduce or eliminate the watch-keeping requirement.

The speed problem - produced by a combination of restricted engine-power and a huge surface area to catch adverse winds - could be harder to overcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d think that monitoring the health of the airship and keeping the lift and ballast trimmed is something that could eventually be automated, which might reduce or eliminate the watch-keeping requirement.</p>
<p>The speed problem &#8211; produced by a combination of restricted engine-power and a huge surface area to catch adverse winds &#8211; could be harder to overcome.</p>
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		<title>By: giblfiz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/21/forget-the-hindenbur.html#comment-1168145</link>
		<dc:creator>giblfiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me that at least a few of those problems come from not having lord-only-knows how many engineering hours behind it in the last 80 years. I&#039;m sure that wouldn&#039;t solve either speed, or the basic ability to deal with weather, but both of them might be mitigated. The massive ground crew and piloting costs are _clearly_ symptoms of something that has only been developed as a one off though. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me that at least a few of those problems come from not having lord-only-knows how many engineering hours behind it in the last 80 years. I&#8217;m sure that wouldn&#8217;t solve either speed, or the basic ability to deal with weather, but both of them might be mitigated. The massive ground crew and piloting costs are _clearly_ symptoms of something that has only been developed as a one off though. </p>
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		<title>By: mccrum</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/21/forget-the-hindenbur.html#comment-1168146</link>
		<dc:creator>mccrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet another article from Big Airplane keeping the little man down!  :)</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/21/forget-the-hindenbur.html#comment-1168151</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Living by the San Francisco bay, I see our zepplin flying out of Moffit Field (where Hanger One was built for the Macon in WWII). They are awesome.

Your comment about practicality, though. If we had zepplin ports, there would be a central monitoring system. The control panel to deal with ballast changes in an automated way would have been built. There certainly would be no need for 24 hour human monitoring.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Living by the San Francisco bay, I see our zepplin flying out of Moffit Field (where Hanger One was built for the Macon in WWII). They are awesome.</p>
<p>Your comment about practicality, though. If we had zepplin ports, there would be a central monitoring system. The control panel to deal with ballast changes in an automated way would have been built. There certainly would be no need for 24 hour human monitoring.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Badger</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/21/forget-the-hindenbur.html#comment-1168155</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Badger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Plenty of sci-fi stories have started with the premise, &quot;What if the Hindenburg disaster never happened?&quot; and ended up assuming that we&#039;d all be flying around in totally awesome zeppelins instead of boring old airplanes.&lt;/em&gt;

The game designer Ken Hite formulated what is known as Hite&#039;s Law: &quot;Alternate histories tend to have more zeppelins&quot; based on that observation -- that the easiest way to establish that a book, film, or game is set in an alternate history is to have zeppelins flying by. To his credit, Hite formulated his own corollary, namely that the 1930s must have been part of an alternate history that somehow bled into our universe.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Plenty of sci-fi stories have started with the premise, &#8220;What if the Hindenburg disaster never happened?&#8221; and ended up assuming that we&#8217;d all be flying around in totally awesome zeppelins instead of boring old airplanes.</em></p>
<p>The game designer Ken Hite formulated what is known as Hite&#8217;s Law: &#8220;Alternate histories tend to have more zeppelins&#8221; based on that observation &#8212; that the easiest way to establish that a book, film, or game is set in an alternate history is to have zeppelins flying by. To his credit, Hite formulated his own corollary, namely that the 1930s must have been part of an alternate history that somehow bled into our universe.</p>
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		<title>By: dculberson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/21/forget-the-hindenbur.html#comment-1168157</link>
		<dc:creator>dculberson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the Eureka, one of only three passenger zeppelins operating in the entire world.&quot;

I totally mis-read that as &quot;one of the only three passenger zeppelins.&quot;  I thought it seemed like an awfully large gondola for only three people!  Then I saw the inside, thinking, &quot;that&#039;s more than three seats! Oh, wait...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the Eureka, one of only three passenger zeppelins operating in the entire world.&#8221;</p>
<p>I totally mis-read that as &#8220;one of the only three passenger zeppelins.&#8221;  I thought it seemed like an awfully large gondola for only three people!  Then I saw the inside, thinking, &#8220;that&#8217;s more than three seats! Oh, wait&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/21/forget-the-hindenbur.html#comment-1168162</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the report! I saw this thing flying aorund the south metro last week on my commute home and was wondering what it was all about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the report! I saw this thing flying aorund the south metro last week on my commute home and was wondering what it was all about.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenJello</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/21/forget-the-hindenbur.html#comment-1168163</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenJello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that the requirement to have somebody on watch would go away with the advent of Zeppelin hangers like they have in the bay area.  No wind, no sun, no need to adjust for the weather.

Also, while it doesn&#039;t sound great for passengers, I wonder if it would make sense for freight cargo in places that are hard to reach like mountains and small islands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that the requirement to have somebody on watch would go away with the advent of Zeppelin hangers like they have in the bay area.  No wind, no sun, no need to adjust for the weather.</p>
<p>Also, while it doesn&#8217;t sound great for passengers, I wonder if it would make sense for freight cargo in places that are hard to reach like mountains and small islands.</p>
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		<title>By: Daemon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/21/forget-the-hindenbur.html#comment-1168931</link>
		<dc:creator>Daemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 24/7 on board crewman could be replaced with an ardruino board some sensors and a few lines of code.

Also, last I heard zeppelin development was mostly heading towards freight-hauling these days, rather than passenger trips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 24/7 on board crewman could be replaced with an ardruino board some sensors and a few lines of code.</p>
<p>Also, last I heard zeppelin development was mostly heading towards freight-hauling these days, rather than passenger trips.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So a 12-passenger zeppelin needs a crew of 20-25 to keep it running. How much crew would a 800-seater need? 30?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So a 12-passenger zeppelin needs a crew of 20-25 to keep it running. How much crew would a 800-seater need? 30?  </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/21/forget-the-hindenbur.html#comment-1169445</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the hindenburg didn&#039;t end dirigible travel as much as it prevented a hydrogen economy;-)</description>
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		<title>By: rwmj</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/21/forget-the-hindenbur.html#comment-1168173</link>
		<dc:creator>rwmj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would still be cool to have one of these as a permanent floating lair / data haven.</description>
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		<title>By: enkiv2</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/21/forget-the-hindenbur.html#comment-1168430</link>
		<dc:creator>enkiv2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there any reason (other than money) that the ballast fill management can&#039;t trivially be completely automated?</description>
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		<title>By: billstewart</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/21/forget-the-hindenbur.html#comment-1168952</link>
		<dc:creator>billstewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the reasons living in Silicon Valley is awesome is that much of the year there&#039;s a Zeppelin flying around.  I&#039;ll be driving to work and it&#039;s taking off, or somewhere random in the Bay Area and the Zep just shows up, or biking in the marshlands and just missing the first 50 feet of takeoff.   Yes, there are non-awesome things about being here as well, but things can&#039;t have totally gone down the tubes if people can still ride Zeppelins around for fun.   

Apparently after the first few months, the Zeppelin ride started showing up in the Bay Area half-price tickets dealers on occasion, but I haven&#039;t done that yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the reasons living in Silicon Valley is awesome is that much of the year there&#8217;s a Zeppelin flying around.  I&#8217;ll be driving to work and it&#8217;s taking off, or somewhere random in the Bay Area and the Zep just shows up, or biking in the marshlands and just missing the first 50 feet of takeoff.   Yes, there are non-awesome things about being here as well, but things can&#8217;t have totally gone down the tubes if people can still ride Zeppelins around for fun.   </p>
<p>Apparently after the first few months, the Zeppelin ride started showing up in the Bay Area half-price tickets dealers on occasion, but I haven&#8217;t done that yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why can&#039;t you just tie the zeppelin down, or drain the helium into storage tanks, or both, or both while the zeppelin is inside a tall hangar?
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		<title>By: Wally Ballou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wally Ballou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really big rigid airships by definition have a lot of surface area.  And also by definition they require extremely lightweight structures.

This makes them extraordinarily vulnerable to turbulence and wind shear, much more so than fixed wing aircraft which pretty well just slice through those conditions except when taking off and landing.

The US Navy had four big, helium filled zeps pre-WW2.  Three of them, the &lt;i&gt;Shenandoah&lt;/i&gt;, the &lt;i&gt;Akron&lt;/i&gt;, and the &lt;i&gt;Macon&lt;/i&gt;, crashed due to wind shear or updraft/downdraft incidents very early in their service lives.

It&#039;s hard to imagine any technological advancement that would reduce this vulnerability to the point where big zeps become commercially feasible.  In fact, I&#039;m amazed that the Hindenburg stayed in service as long as she did before encountering a similar weather catastrophe.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really big rigid airships by definition have a lot of surface area.  And also by definition they require extremely lightweight structures.</p>
<p>This makes them extraordinarily vulnerable to turbulence and wind shear, much more so than fixed wing aircraft which pretty well just slice through those conditions except when taking off and landing.</p>
<p>The US Navy had four big, helium filled zeps pre-WW2.  Three of them, the <i>Shenandoah</i>, the <i>Akron</i>, and the <i>Macon</i>, crashed due to wind shear or updraft/downdraft incidents very early in their service lives.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to imagine any technological advancement that would reduce this vulnerability to the point where big zeps become commercially feasible.  In fact, I&#8217;m amazed that the Hindenburg stayed in service as long as she did before encountering a similar weather catastrophe.</p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to say the same thing except that I didn&#039;t realize that modern day airships even had any direct relationship to the original Zeppelin company. Perhaps they&#039;re trying to expand the common definition of the term?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to say the same thing except that I didn&#8217;t realize that modern day airships even had any direct relationship to the original Zeppelin company. Perhaps they&#8217;re trying to expand the common definition of the term?</p>
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		<title>By: Nadreck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nadreck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even an extreme airship advocate such as myself must admit that they will never compete against heavier-than-air vehicles on commuter runs where speed and schedule adherence are the main considerations.  However, in that form the criteria are practically self-answering questions: Q: &quot;What does airplane stuff best?&quot;  A: &quot;Airplanes!&quot;

Airships are best used as aerial platforms for military or law-enforcement purposes, vacation cruises and a few cargo applications.  These are all being performed, poorly, by airplanes now simply because they got the lock on the gravy-train of commuter and rapid cargo applications and so have the infrastructure and R&amp;D money to economically edge out the potentially technically superior blimp &amp; co. in these fields.  As all we BetaMax owners know, the course of technology is affected far more by marketing and historical accidents of economics than by any kind of technical merit.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even an extreme airship advocate such as myself must admit that they will never compete against heavier-than-air vehicles on commuter runs where speed and schedule adherence are the main considerations.  However, in that form the criteria are practically self-answering questions: Q: &#8220;What does airplane stuff best?&#8221;  A: &#8220;Airplanes!&#8221;</p>
<p>Airships are best used as aerial platforms for military or law-enforcement purposes, vacation cruises and a few cargo applications.  These are all being performed, poorly, by airplanes now simply because they got the lock on the gravy-train of commuter and rapid cargo applications and so have the infrastructure and R&#038;D money to economically edge out the potentially technically superior blimp &#038; co. in these fields.  As all we BetaMax owners know, the course of technology is affected far more by marketing and historical accidents of economics than by any kind of technical merit.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>Every so often, someone presents a &#039;new&#039; proposal for heavy cargo airships, which never seems to work out. Recently there was one intended to haul iron ore from a remote mine in northern Canada. At least part of the reason is that if you haul a few tonnes of cargo somewhere and unload it, you then have to either ballast it up with a few tonnes of something else, or compress much of your helium and replace it with air ballast, in order to maintain neutral buoyancy. 
Coupled with the weather restrictions, it turns out to be a lot cheaper and easier to build a road and truck stuff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every so often, someone presents a &#8216;new&#8217; proposal for heavy cargo airships, which never seems to work out. Recently there was one intended to haul iron ore from a remote mine in northern Canada. At least part of the reason is that if you haul a few tonnes of cargo somewhere and unload it, you then have to either ballast it up with a few tonnes of something else, or compress much of your helium and replace it with air ballast, in order to maintain neutral buoyancy.<br />
Coupled with the weather restrictions, it turns out to be a lot cheaper and easier to build a road and truck stuff!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So basically the big drawbacks are weather, infrastructure and a lack of automated ballast control. Two of those are easily solved. the weather is a little trickier.

The airship is never going to compete with passenger airlines for the same reason the railroad couldn&#039;t. Speed. People do not want to spend days traveling.
But it can compete with airlines for freight because the fuel costs/lb of freight are so much lower, the capacity is larger and speed is not such an issue. The bonus is you don&#039;t need tracks going to your destination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So basically the big drawbacks are weather, infrastructure and a lack of automated ballast control. Two of those are easily solved. the weather is a little trickier.</p>
<p>The airship is never going to compete with passenger airlines for the same reason the railroad couldn&#8217;t. Speed. People do not want to spend days traveling.<br />
But it can compete with airlines for freight because the fuel costs/lb of freight are so much lower, the capacity is larger and speed is not such an issue. The bonus is you don&#8217;t need tracks going to your destination.</p>
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		<title>By: hapa</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also zeppelins can&#039;t take you to the moon. that is a myth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also zeppelins can&#8217;t take you to the moon. that is a myth.</p>
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		<title>By: SpacelordMother</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/21/forget-the-hindenbur.html#comment-1168210</link>
		<dc:creator>SpacelordMother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never thought I&#039;d see my hometown on BB! I saw this massive beast floating over the Minnesota River valley a few days ago and thought of how neat it would be to get a ride in one.....someday.

Interesting article. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never thought I&#8217;d see my hometown on BB! I saw this massive beast floating over the Minnesota River valley a few days ago and thought of how neat it would be to get a ride in one&#8230;..someday.</p>
<p>Interesting article. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well yes, Wally.  Basicly engines have become have progressed much further than material technology.  Certainly a modern carbon fiber structure could be somewhat stronger than the duraluminum that the big rigids were made of.  But engines have become vastly lighter per effective horsepower. When an airship moves faster, there is more drag.  The same is true of an airplane.  But as an airplane moves faster, the wing area needed to support the weight ALSO becomes smaller, which means less structure and less weight that needs to be supported.  To a great degree, a real limiting factor for airplanes is the need to slow down to a reasonable speed to make landings and takeoffs easier.  So the greatest utility for airships is in uses where you WANT to move slowly, preferably for long periods of time which uses the fact that the engines are only keeping you moving and not providing all the lift needed to keep you in the air.

And as other have pointed out these are semi-rigids.  The envelope is still supported and maintains its shape because it is kept pressurized.  Rigid airships OTOH contain the lifting gass in unpressurized cells..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well yes, Wally.  Basicly engines have become have progressed much further than material technology.  Certainly a modern carbon fiber structure could be somewhat stronger than the duraluminum that the big rigids were made of.  But engines have become vastly lighter per effective horsepower. When an airship moves faster, there is more drag.  The same is true of an airplane.  But as an airplane moves faster, the wing area needed to support the weight ALSO becomes smaller, which means less structure and less weight that needs to be supported.  To a great degree, a real limiting factor for airplanes is the need to slow down to a reasonable speed to make landings and takeoffs easier.  So the greatest utility for airships is in uses where you WANT to move slowly, preferably for long periods of time which uses the fact that the engines are only keeping you moving and not providing all the lift needed to keep you in the air.</p>
<p>And as other have pointed out these are semi-rigids.  The envelope is still supported and maintains its shape because it is kept pressurized.  Rigid airships OTOH contain the lifting gass in unpressurized cells..</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent description of the design, construction, and flight of the British R100 (not the ill-fated R101) is contained in Nevil Shute Norway&#039;s autobiography, &quot;Slide Rule&quot;. He makes it abundantly clear why dirigibles lost out to fixed-wing aircraft (which he set up a company to manufacture after the British government pulled the plug on dirigibles). The R100 was designed with a geodesic frame by Barnes Wallis, a concept later used in the Vickers Wellington bomber, as a consequence of which it could tolerate extreme levels of damage and keep operating. Of course, Wallis is better known for the Upkeep bomb. The giant hangars in which the R100 and R101 were constructed are, as far as I know, still visible at RAF Cardington.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent description of the design, construction, and flight of the British R100 (not the ill-fated R101) is contained in Nevil Shute Norway&#8217;s autobiography, &#8220;Slide Rule&#8221;. He makes it abundantly clear why dirigibles lost out to fixed-wing aircraft (which he set up a company to manufacture after the British government pulled the plug on dirigibles). The R100 was designed with a geodesic frame by Barnes Wallis, a concept later used in the Vickers Wellington bomber, as a consequence of which it could tolerate extreme levels of damage and keep operating. Of course, Wallis is better known for the Upkeep bomb. The giant hangars in which the R100 and R101 were constructed are, as far as I know, still visible at RAF Cardington.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/21/forget-the-hindenbur.html#comment-1170274</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Scrooge McDuck can have a money bin with &quot;three cubic acres&quot; of coins and currency, then a zeppelin can have a mere square acre of material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Scrooge McDuck can have a money bin with &#8220;three cubic acres&#8221; of coins and currency, then a zeppelin can have a mere square acre of material.</p>
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		<title>By: airshowfan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/21/forget-the-hindenbur.html#comment-1168227</link>
		<dc:creator>airshowfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of us who fantasize about someday flying a smaller one of these...

http://www.personalblimp.com/images.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of us who fantasize about someday flying a smaller one of these&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.personalblimp.com/images.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.personalblimp.com/images.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: mccrum</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/07/21/forget-the-hindenbur.html#comment-1168237</link>
		<dc:creator>mccrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet.  Give them time, plenty of air and some rockets however...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet.  Give them time, plenty of air and some rockets however&#8230;</p>
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