Comments on: Sexism flamewars explained in webcomic form

By: travtastic

travtastic — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:58:00 +0000

Do you see the problem in using the ridiculous term ‘mansplaining’, when supposedly trying to combat discrimination?

By: Guest

Guest — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:40:00 +0000

http://www.derailingfordummies.com/#hostile

http://www.derailingfordummies.com/#notlistening

By: atimoshenko

atimoshenko — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:38:00 +0000

So every Internet discussion about sexism is conducted between reasonable, respectful women and hateful, petty, insecure men?

And it is a complaint about sexism?

What a bizarre way to make a point… The type of men that the author of the comic criticises are certainly wrong, but the way she criticises them can only lead one to conclude that she is not much better than them.

By: Guest

Guest — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:38:00 +0000

Read, THEN understand. Nice scare quotes around ‘being educated’- it’s almost as if you don’t take it seriously! Imagine that. /s Again- not my job to educate you.

http://www.derailingfordummies.com/#educate2

By: Guest

Guest — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:37:00 +0000

THIS! Can we both get a dime each time it happens? I want to be rich, too!

By: Guest

Guest — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:37:00 +0000

I know, isn’t it? XD

By: Matt Katzenberger

Matt Katzenberger — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:35:00 +0000

You mean “reverse” as in “reverse sexism”? I hate that particular term. Probably not for the same reason you do, but who knows…

Anyway. I’ll read that link now.

By: Matt Katzenberger

Matt Katzenberger — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:34:00 +0000

I’ll read both of your links, in the spirit of “being educated”, but I wasn’t asking out of a lack of knowledge. I have a definition of sexism that I use.

Since I doubt very much our definitions are the same, I was hoping you would tell me (us) how you’re defining the term, so I (we) can better understand what it is you are arguing.

By: John_Wilmot

John_Wilmot — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:34:00 +0000

Since your interest seems genuine, go here.

https://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2007/06/03/faq-arent-feminists-just-sexists-towards-men/

I know that you haven’t used the word “reverse,” but I think this will
start to answer your question, and it offers many links to follow if you remain curious. I’d be interested to know what you make of
the answer, after you have mulled it over.

By: Amphigorey

Amphigorey — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:32:00 +0000

Wow, LeoMoon just pulled a “what about teh menz” in the wild. That’s kind of precious, really.

By: alizarincrimson

alizarincrimson — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:31:00 +0000

I have participated in many an online discussion about feminism, women’s rights, or even just anecdotal evidence about women’s experiences with sexism. And yet NONE of them are devoid of this bullshit. I’m curious as to why it’s so hard for so many men to sit down, suck it up, and listen when we talk about our experiences. If I had a dime for every time a man has told me (blatantly or by implication) that his knowledge about sexism should trump mine (despite my VASTLY greater experience), I’d be well on my way to rich.

By: Guest

Guest — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:30:00 +0000

Again- not my job to educate you. Here are some helpful links you can go and read, and educate yourself! You have the power to learn. :)

http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/

http://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/

By: Guest

Guest — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:28:00 +0000

I know, the mental gymnastics astound me!

By: Matt Katzenberger

Matt Katzenberger — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:27:00 +0000

I suppose that depends on your definition of sexism (and also your definition of ‘most’), but I hardly think that “most men are sexist” is accurate anyway.

Are a lot of men sexist? Yes.
Are too many men sexist? Absolutely.

I’d like to know how you define sexism though? What does it take for a man to be a sexist? What does it take for a woman to be sexist? (And no, this isn’t rhetorical, I’m genuinely curious.)

By: Guest

Guest — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:27:00 +0000

I know, I know!

By: travtastic

travtastic — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:26:00 +0000

Seriously, I’m waiting. Am I also a racist and a bigot and a child molester? Is it my job to prove that I’m not those things, too?

By: Guest

Guest — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:26:00 +0000

Thanks for mansplaining to me! Oh, I guess I better stop talking, lest I am seen as a hysterical woman! /s

Have you something positive or productive to add? Waiting…..

By: travtastic

travtastic — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:25:00 +0000

But it wasn’t just a bunch of random guys. It was figures specifically drawn with male symbols on their blank faces, on a blue background. Even if you didn’t see it that way, can you at least understand how someone else would?

By: Guest

Guest — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:24:00 +0000

OK, great! Get on that comic posthaste! I can’t wait to see it! XD

By: Matt Katzenberger

Matt Katzenberger — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:24:00 +0000

Ha! I edited mine because I re-read yours and thought I had initially misread it. Comments are confusing.

By: Guest

Guest — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:24:00 +0000

Oh yes, volumes. XD

By: John_Wilmot

John_Wilmot — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:23:00 +0000

I edited my post to say “disapprove,” but it appears that I was not quick enough. I am still used to the revision window that allows me to re-read and edit my comments before they go up. My apologies.

By: John_Wilmot

John_Wilmot — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:21:00 +0000

Did I miss the memo that made “a bunch of” a comprehensive, all-encompassing category?

By: Guest

Guest — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:21:00 +0000

Oh, yes, this! Radfems and ‘sex-pos’ fems arguing! It is good that we talk to each other.

By: Matt Katzenberger

Matt Katzenberger — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:21:00 +0000

Do I “understand how frequently women are violently demeaned for specifying how they would like to be treated”? Probably not. I understand that it happens, far to often, and I strongly believe that it shouldn’t, but no, I’m probably not aware of the full scope or impact of the problem. That doesn’t mean I don’t see it as a problem, I’m not calling out the author of the comic for calling out sexists on the internet, I’m disagreeing with portrayal of all men (in the comic) as being sexist.

*edited because I misread your comment

By: travtastic

travtastic — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:21:00 +0000

Cite your sources. Show me a comment.

Go to google. Type in site:boingboing.net, and then my user name.

Show me a comment, or don’t accuse me of being sexist.

By: Guest

Guest — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:19:00 +0000

Ha, you don’t even know you’re doing it!

It’s not my job to educate you. Educate yourself, if you care that much.

By: travtastic

travtastic — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:18:00 +0000

Seriously. I’m trying to be as polite as I can, you’re flat-out trying to incite people. I’m not sure what you think you’re doing, but it’s nothing positive.

By: Uriah Zebadiah

Uriah Zebadiah — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:18:00 +0000

I was all like nuh-uh, that’s not what it’s like. Then I read the comments and realized that I have all my gender arguments on facebook and liberal websites and have a totally different view of what gender arguments on the internet are like. Mind you, I’m a democratic socialist that lives in Portland and grew up in Vermont, so the vast majority of my friends are either feminists of one type or another or people who don’t care to get into arguments with feminists. Most of the feminism arguments I get into are between slutty feminists and prudish feminists…

By: travtastic

travtastic — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:17:00 +0000

Please post a single comment where I was sexist.