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	<title>Comments on: Marvel to comics retailers: we&#039;ll give you limited edition singles if you destroy our competitors&#039;&#160;products</title>
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		<title>By: Spriggan_Prime</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spriggan_Prime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 02:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right it&#039;s a moot point, but oddly enough you still can&#039;t sell comics without the covers. Can&#039;t return&#039;em can&#039;t sell&#039;em. It&#039;s the mighty cock-punch that keeps Diamond in control of the distribution market. With the way shipping is so efficient nowadays it&#039;s a shame Marvel and DC can&#039;t just decide to tell them to go screw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right it&#8217;s a moot point, but oddly enough you still can&#8217;t sell comics without the covers. Can&#8217;t return&#8217;em can&#8217;t sell&#8217;em. It&#8217;s the mighty cock-punch that keeps Diamond in control of the distribution market. With the way shipping is so efficient nowadays it&#8217;s a shame Marvel and DC can&#8217;t just decide to tell them to go screw.</p>
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		<title>By: Grebby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grebby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only way this would hurt DC is this: with no #1 issues on the shelves, fewer customers will buy #2 and #3 (these are all 3-issue mini-series). Of course, that would also hurt the retailers Marvel is supposedly trying to help out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only way this would hurt DC is this: with no #1 issues on the shelves, fewer customers will buy #2 and #3 (these are all 3-issue mini-series). Of course, that would also hurt the retailers Marvel is supposedly trying to help out.</p>
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		<title>By: Spencer Cross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spencer Cross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 15:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of this back-and-forth about stripping is moot, because it hasn&#039;t applied to comics since the rise of the direct market in the 80&#039;s: 

&quot;The defining characteristic of the direct market is non-returnability: unlike bookstore and newsstand distribution, direct-market distribution prohibits distributors and retailers from returning their unsold merchandise for refunds.&quot;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_market</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of this back-and-forth about stripping is moot, because it hasn&#8217;t applied to comics since the rise of the direct market in the 80&#8242;s: </p>
<p>&#8220;The defining characteristic of the direct market is non-returnability: unlike bookstore and newsstand distribution, direct-market distribution prohibits distributors and retailers from returning their unsold merchandise for refunds.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_market" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_market</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jack Holmes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Holmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 15:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is so awesomely 19th-century capitalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is so awesomely 19th-century capitalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Spriggan_Prime</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spriggan_Prime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I said your claim that this was some &#039;silly American law&#039; was BS as it was a standard international business practice.
 It is not printed in a lot of books anymore because its a COMMON 
business practice, and the selling of stripped books isn&#039;t the problem 
today that it once was. But it is still illegal to sell stripped books.

I am one of those &#039;billions of people&#039;. 1981. I own many books from 
before my birth atleast a dozen are over 100 years old. Your library may
 vary but don&#039;t act like it&#039;s incredulous.

&quot;Major publishing houses may be international but they still print 
different versions in different territories due to spelling and other 
regional language variations.&quot;

Not unless it an educational text. If it&#039;s a creative work they can&#039;t do
 that without the authors permission after sign-off on final edits.

Just making you aware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I said your claim that this was some &#8216;silly American law&#8217; was BS as it was a standard international business practice.<br />
 It is not printed in a lot of books anymore because its a COMMON<br />
business practice, and the selling of stripped books isn&#8217;t the problem<br />
today that it once was. But it is still illegal to sell stripped books.</p>
<p>I am one of those &#8216;billions of people&#8217;. 1981. I own many books from<br />
before my birth atleast a dozen are over 100 years old. Your library may<br />
 vary but don&#8217;t act like it&#8217;s incredulous.</p>
<p>&#8220;Major publishing houses may be international but they still print<br />
different versions in different territories due to spelling and other<br />
regional language variations.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not unless it an educational text. If it&#8217;s a creative work they can&#8217;t do<br />
 that without the authors permission after sign-off on final edits.</p>
<p>Just making you aware.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 07:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you say my claim that the warning isn&#039;t printed in books is bs, then continue to agree that it&#039;s not printed in books these days. 

Like a billion or so other people I wasn&#039;t alive in the 60s or 70s, so I don&#039;t have any books that were printed in this time - only reprints from the 90s onwards.

Major publishing houses may be international but they still print different versions in different territories due to spelling and other regional language variations.

Regardless, I was merely pointing out the obvious fact that not everybody knows everything and so perhaps we shouldn&#039;t get so wound up when people aren&#039;t aware of something. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you say my claim that the warning isn&#8217;t printed in books is bs, then continue to agree that it&#8217;s not printed in books these days. </p>
<p>Like a billion or so other people I wasn&#8217;t alive in the 60s or 70s, so I don&#8217;t have any books that were printed in this time &#8211; only reprints from the 90s onwards.</p>
<p>Major publishing houses may be international but they still print different versions in different territories due to spelling and other regional language variations.</p>
<p>Regardless, I was merely pointing out the obvious fact that not everybody knows everything and so perhaps we shouldn&#8217;t get so wound up when people aren&#8217;t aware of something. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Gulliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gulliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 04:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; I&#039;m pretty sure the first constitutional amendment would allow you to release whatever song you want. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Right, but I can also set absurd terms and, provided I do not force anyone to use my product and the terms aren&#039;t anything illegal (such as rob a bank), I&#039;m not doing anything unethical.

I just replied to your comment to clarify a point. You said it wasn&#039;t censorship because the books have already been released and readers could buy them elsewhere. Even if the books weren&#039;t out and readers had no way to get them anywhere except comic stores that pulled the DC titles Marvel specified, it still wouldn&#039;t be censorship.

As you said, maybe their gamble will pay off. Or maybe it will drive more casual readers to DC and smaller independent publishers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> I&#8217;m pretty sure the first constitutional amendment would allow you to release whatever song you want. </p></blockquote>
<p>Right, but I can also set absurd terms and, provided I do not force anyone to use my product and the terms aren&#8217;t anything illegal (such as rob a bank), I&#8217;m not doing anything unethical.</p>
<p>I just replied to your comment to clarify a point. You said it wasn&#8217;t censorship because the books have already been released and readers could buy them elsewhere. Even if the books weren&#8217;t out and readers had no way to get them anywhere except comic stores that pulled the DC titles Marvel specified, it still wouldn&#8217;t be censorship.</p>
<p>As you said, maybe their gamble will pay off. Or maybe it will drive more casual readers to DC and smaller independent publishers.</p>
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		<title>By: knoxblox</title>
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		<dc:creator>knoxblox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 04:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear art dealer,

It seems that I&#039;m less inclined to hang out with my friend Modigliani these days, and we&#039;re just not getting along. If you would be so kind as to rip 50 of his works out of the frames and send me the canvas, I&#039;d happily send you one unique painting out of my latest series of cubist works.

All best,

Picasso</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear art dealer,</p>
<p>It seems that I&#8217;m less inclined to hang out with my friend Modigliani these days, and we&#8217;re just not getting along. If you would be so kind as to rip 50 of his works out of the frames and send me the canvas, I&#8217;d happily send you one unique painting out of my latest series of cubist works.</p>
<p>All best,</p>
<p>Picasso</p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 03:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It&#039;s common in the book-selling business to be able to return 
mass-market paperbacks to the publisher for a refund if they don&#039;t sell.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I understand that but I still don&#039;t see how this offer would hurt D.C. since it apparently requires retailers to send said covers to &lt;em&gt;Marvel.&lt;/em&gt; (Unless Marvel can claim the refund for themselves, which seems unlikely.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It&#8217;s common in the book-selling business to be able to return<br />
mass-market paperbacks to the publisher for a refund if they don&#8217;t sell.</p></blockquote>
<p>I understand that but I still don&#8217;t see how this offer would hurt D.C. since it apparently requires retailers to send said covers to <em>Marvel.</em> (Unless Marvel can claim the refund for themselves, which seems unlikely.)</p>
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		<title>By: Spriggan_Prime</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spriggan_Prime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 03:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you replied to the wrong person. I understand the concept of censorship.

Either way;

Bad business is still legal business and you know the old saying about risks sometimes paying off big. A few may piss and moan and leave, but comics have lifelong fans and new ones all the time (hell just look at all the new readers, titles and merch from the last 10 years of Marvel movies) and there is NO shortage of artist and writers willing to work in the industry.

 I&#039;m pretty sure the first constitutional amendment would allow you to release whatever song you want.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cop_Killer_%28song%29</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you replied to the wrong person. I understand the concept of censorship.</p>
<p>Either way;</p>
<p>Bad business is still legal business and you know the old saying about risks sometimes paying off big. A few may piss and moan and leave, but comics have lifelong fans and new ones all the time (hell just look at all the new readers, titles and merch from the last 10 years of Marvel movies) and there is NO shortage of artist and writers willing to work in the industry.</p>
<p> I&#8217;m pretty sure the first constitutional amendment would allow you to release whatever song you want.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cop_Killer_%28song%29" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cop_Killer_%28song%29</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gulliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gulliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 03:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if Marvel had never released the publications in question and refused to ever do so unless and until the whole world destroyed all copies of DC&#039;s competing publication, it still wouldn&#039;t be censorship. It would just be really, &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; bad business that would loose them their customers and, consequently, their artists. If I wrote a song and told the world to destroy all copies of &lt;i&gt;Yellow Submarine&lt;/i&gt; or I won&#039;t release it, the only thing I would accomplish would be to never release my song, not to censor the Beatles. If instead the Beatles did the same to me (though they never would do something so sleazy), they would not be censoring me, just counting on everyone having good music taste :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if Marvel had never released the publications in question and refused to ever do so unless and until the whole world destroyed all copies of DC&#8217;s competing publication, it still wouldn&#8217;t be censorship. It would just be really, <i>really</i> bad business that would loose them their customers and, consequently, their artists. If I wrote a song and told the world to destroy all copies of <i>Yellow Submarine</i> or I won&#8217;t release it, the only thing I would accomplish would be to never release my song, not to censor the Beatles. If instead the Beatles did the same to me (though they never would do something so sleazy), they would not be censoring me, just counting on everyone having good music taste :)</p>
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		<title>By: Gulliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gulliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 03:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Gulliver, how is it not censorship when the whole point of Marvel&#039;s 
campaign is to prevent readers from being able to read, or even to 
access, DC&#039;s books?  Isn&#039;t that what censorship is? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Whatever their point, they are not in fact preventing readers from doing this. They&#039;re preventing sellers from selling both theirs and their competitors product. They&#039;re under no ethical, moral or legal obligation to sell their product to any given store. Anyone can still sell and buy DC&#039;s product as long as DC is willing to sell them. They just can&#039;t have Marvel&#039;s too. If Marvel was actually blocking stores or readers from buying DC comics, then &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; would be censorship. Mind you, I agree that what Marvel is doing is sleazy. If I was a comic reader I&#039;d be disgusted with how Marvel is treating me, their customer, and I&#039;d go ahead and boycott them if they didn&#039;t change their terms. I specifically don&#039;t use the products of about two dozen or so companies for that very reason. But it&#039;s not actually censorship, it&#039;s those companies alienating my business and the money I might otherwise spend with them.

Censorship is stopping someone from having access to information someone else wants to provide. It isn&#039;t refusing to provide your own information if someone does access information someone else wants to provide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Gulliver, how is it not censorship when the whole point of Marvel&#8217;s<br />
campaign is to prevent readers from being able to read, or even to<br />
access, DC&#8217;s books?  Isn&#8217;t that what censorship is? </p></blockquote>
<p>Whatever their point, they are not in fact preventing readers from doing this. They&#8217;re preventing sellers from selling both theirs and their competitors product. They&#8217;re under no ethical, moral or legal obligation to sell their product to any given store. Anyone can still sell and buy DC&#8217;s product as long as DC is willing to sell them. They just can&#8217;t have Marvel&#8217;s too. If Marvel was actually blocking stores or readers from buying DC comics, then <i>that</i> would be censorship. Mind you, I agree that what Marvel is doing is sleazy. If I was a comic reader I&#8217;d be disgusted with how Marvel is treating me, their customer, and I&#8217;d go ahead and boycott them if they didn&#8217;t change their terms. I specifically don&#8217;t use the products of about two dozen or so companies for that very reason. But it&#8217;s not actually censorship, it&#8217;s those companies alienating my business and the money I might otherwise spend with them.</p>
<p>Censorship is stopping someone from having access to information someone else wants to provide. It isn&#8217;t refusing to provide your own information if someone does access information someone else wants to provide.</p>
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		<title>By: John H. Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>John H. Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 02:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The promotion does not apply to FLASHPOINT #1.  The comics listed are:
FLASHPOINT ABIN SUR THE GREEN LANTERN #1
FLASHPOINT BATMAN KNIGHT OF VENGEANCE #1
FLASHPOINT CITIZEN COLD #1
FLASHPOINT DEADMAN AND THE FLYING GRAYSONS #1
FLASHPOINT DEATHSTROKE THE CURSE OF RAVAGER #1
FLASHPOINT EMPEROR AQUAMAN #1
FLASHPOINT FRANKENSTEIN CREATURES OF UNKNOWN #1
FLASHPOINT GREEN ARROW INDUSTRIES #1
FLASHPOINT GRODD OF WAR #1
FLASHPOINT HAL JORDAN #1
FLASHPOINT KID FLASH LOST #1
FLASHPOINT LEGION OF DOOM #1
FLASHPOINT LOIS LANE AND THE RESISTANCE #1
FLASHPOINT PROJECT SUPERMAN #1
FLASHPOINT SECRET SEVEN #1
FLASHPOINT THE OUTSIDER #1
FLASHPOINT THE REVERSE FLASH #1
FLASHPOINT THE WORLD OF FLASHPOINT #1
FLASHPOINT WONDER WOMAN AND THE FURIES #1
 
These are comics that came out in June, and if they haven&#039;t sold through yet probably /will/ not sell through- the trade collections are already solicited for next March.  They&#039;re not very popular books.  The highest-selling of them is Knight of Vengeance 1, which moved 45,000 copies to retailers in June.  The lowest is Grodd of War, at 26,000.  In terms of secondary-market value, they&#039;re pretty ehhhhh.  A quick search of eBay shows that every single one is available at or below cover price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The promotion does not apply to FLASHPOINT #1.  The comics listed are:<br />
FLASHPOINT ABIN SUR THE GREEN LANTERN #1<br />
FLASHPOINT BATMAN KNIGHT OF VENGEANCE #1<br />
FLASHPOINT CITIZEN COLD #1<br />
FLASHPOINT DEADMAN AND THE FLYING GRAYSONS #1<br />
FLASHPOINT DEATHSTROKE THE CURSE OF RAVAGER #1<br />
FLASHPOINT EMPEROR AQUAMAN #1<br />
FLASHPOINT FRANKENSTEIN CREATURES OF UNKNOWN #1<br />
FLASHPOINT GREEN ARROW INDUSTRIES #1<br />
FLASHPOINT GRODD OF WAR #1<br />
FLASHPOINT HAL JORDAN #1<br />
FLASHPOINT KID FLASH LOST #1<br />
FLASHPOINT LEGION OF DOOM #1<br />
FLASHPOINT LOIS LANE AND THE RESISTANCE #1<br />
FLASHPOINT PROJECT SUPERMAN #1<br />
FLASHPOINT SECRET SEVEN #1<br />
FLASHPOINT THE OUTSIDER #1<br />
FLASHPOINT THE REVERSE FLASH #1<br />
FLASHPOINT THE WORLD OF FLASHPOINT #1<br />
FLASHPOINT WONDER WOMAN AND THE FURIES #1<br />
 <br />
These are comics that came out in June, and if they haven&#8217;t sold through yet probably /will/ not sell through- the trade collections are already solicited for next March.  They&#8217;re not very popular books.  The highest-selling of them is Knight of Vengeance 1, which moved 45,000 copies to retailers in June.  The lowest is Grodd of War, at 26,000.  In terms of secondary-market value, they&#8217;re pretty ehhhhh.  A quick search of eBay shows that every single one is available at or below cover price.</p>
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		<title>By: Daemonworks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daemonworks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 01:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You keep using the word censorship. I do not think it means what you think it means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You keep using the word censorship. I do not think it means what you think it means.</p>
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		<title>By: Spriggan_Prime</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spriggan_Prime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 00:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not censorship because the books have been out for months, you could always go to another comic store if you don&#039;t agree with the choices of your local store&#039;s proprietor, order them in advance, they are available online in both legal and nonlegal formats, they will be republished in multiple print editions and future trades, etc...

This isn&#039;t a book burning, banning or eradication just a PR stunt. If you think DC is any better you might as well give up on mainstream comics all together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not censorship because the books have been out for months, you could always go to another comic store if you don&#8217;t agree with the choices of your local store&#8217;s proprietor, order them in advance, they are available online in both legal and nonlegal formats, they will be republished in multiple print editions and future trades, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t a book burning, banning or eradication just a PR stunt. If you think DC is any better you might as well give up on mainstream comics all together.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Olszewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Olszewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 00:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just written Marvel subscriptions, as well as Marvel&#039;s media relations person, to let them know that I will be canceling my marvel.com account, and will not be purchasing their comics anymore.  I&#039;ve been reading comics, primarily Marvel comics, since 1967, but I can&#039;t stand censorship.  Plus, DC and other comics companies have some great writers and artists.  I don&#039;t need Marvel.

(Gulliver, how is it not censorship when the whole point of Marvel&#039;s campaign is to prevent readers from being able to read, or even to access, DC&#039;s books?  Isn&#039;t that what censorship is?)

Here&#039;s the contact info, if you&#039;d like to send a comment:

Marvel subscriptions: marvelprint@sunbeltfs.com
Marvel media relations: jeff_klein@dkcnews.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just written Marvel subscriptions, as well as Marvel&#8217;s media relations person, to let them know that I will be canceling my marvel.com account, and will not be purchasing their comics anymore.  I&#8217;ve been reading comics, primarily Marvel comics, since 1967, but I can&#8217;t stand censorship.  Plus, DC and other comics companies have some great writers and artists.  I don&#8217;t need Marvel.</p>
<p>(Gulliver, how is it not censorship when the whole point of Marvel&#8217;s campaign is to prevent readers from being able to read, or even to access, DC&#8217;s books?  Isn&#8217;t that what censorship is?)</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the contact info, if you&#8217;d like to send a comment:</p>
<p>Marvel subscriptions: <a href="mailto:marvelprint@sunbeltfs.com">marvelprint@sunbeltfs.com</a><br />
Marvel media relations: <a href="mailto:jeff_klein@dkcnews.com">jeff_klein@dkcnews.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Spriggan_Prime</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spriggan_Prime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 23:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being that most major publishing houses are international your claim is bs. Most publishers list all the &#039;houses&#039; the have under their name title.

Example: Random House: New York, London, Paris, Sydney, Hong Kong.

Most haven&#039;t printed the stripped book warning in years because it was considered common practice and with the digital age the business models and focuses have changed. Grab and old high circulation paperback book from the 60s or 70s and you&#039;ll see these listed on the copyright page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being that most major publishing houses are international your claim is bs. Most publishers list all the &#8216;houses&#8217; the have under their name title.</p>
<p>Example: Random House: New York, London, Paris, Sydney, Hong Kong.</p>
<p>Most haven&#8217;t printed the stripped book warning in years because it was considered common practice and with the digital age the business models and focuses have changed. Grab and old high circulation paperback book from the 60s or 70s and you&#8217;ll see these listed on the copyright page.</p>
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		<title>By: Gulliver</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/marvel-to-comics-retailers-well-give-you-limited-edition-singles-if-you-destroy-our-competitors-products.html#comment-1186135</link>
		<dc:creator>Gulliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 23:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t censorship; it&#039;s Marvel making an ass of itself. For lack of time more than interest, I don&#039;t read comics (occasionally I catch a superhero movie and that&#039;s my level of personal stake in this). But if I tell you that I have a secret that I&#039;ll only tell you and your customers provided you ignore that guy over there, I&#039;m not stopping you from listening to that guy, I&#039;m putting conditions on getting &lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt; secret. The shops are free to tell Marvel to take a hike and the customers are free to boycott the shops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t censorship; it&#8217;s Marvel making an ass of itself. For lack of time more than interest, I don&#8217;t read comics (occasionally I catch a superhero movie and that&#8217;s my level of personal stake in this). But if I tell you that I have a secret that I&#8217;ll only tell you and your customers provided you ignore that guy over there, I&#8217;m not stopping you from listening to that guy, I&#8217;m putting conditions on getting <i>my</i> secret. The shops are free to tell Marvel to take a hike and the customers are free to boycott the shops.</p>
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		<title>By: Spriggan_Prime</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/marvel-to-comics-retailers-well-give-you-limited-edition-singles-if-you-destroy-our-competitors-products.html#comment-1186134</link>
		<dc:creator>Spriggan_Prime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 23:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except that they can&#039;t legally sell them. I&#039;m sure a few find their ways into the regular customer&#039;s pull boxes though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except that they can&#8217;t legally sell them. I&#8217;m sure a few find their ways into the regular customer&#8217;s pull boxes though.</p>
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		<title>By: Spriggan_Prime</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/marvel-to-comics-retailers-well-give-you-limited-edition-singles-if-you-destroy-our-competitors-products.html#comment-1186132</link>
		<dc:creator>Spriggan_Prime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 23:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stripped_book

edit: guess I was late to the party but yes as stated above by others...stripped books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stripped_book" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stripped_book</a></p>
<p>edit: guess I was late to the party but yes as stated above by others&#8230;stripped books.</p>
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		<title>By: muddi900</title>
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		<dc:creator>muddi900</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 23:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the headline is quite sensational, even by normal internet standards, and ignoring facts about book/magazine retail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the headline is quite sensational, even by normal internet standards, and ignoring facts about book/magazine retail.</p>
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		<title>By: Blaze Curry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blaze Curry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a looong time I labored under the foolish assumption that censorship and stuff was against the law, or at least unethical enough to invite some sort of scrutiny that could lead to consequences...
Now I know anyone can do anything they damn well like so long as a greater power does not stop the behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a looong time I labored under the foolish assumption that censorship and stuff was against the law, or at least unethical enough to invite some sort of scrutiny that could lead to consequences&#8230;<br />
Now I know anyone can do anything they damn well like so long as a greater power does not stop the behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: DevinC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DevinC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 21:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If DC thinks this is an anticompetitive measure, they can start selling retailers Flashpoint #1 covers at cost. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If DC thinks this is an anticompetitive measure, they can start selling retailers Flashpoint #1 covers at cost. </p>
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		<title>By: Neural Kernel</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/marvel-to-comics-retailers-well-give-you-limited-edition-singles-if-you-destroy-our-competitors-products.html#comment-1186012</link>
		<dc:creator>Neural Kernel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 21:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm... how about I just download some comic books scans... then duplicate them until my hard drive fills up... since each of those copies is a lost sale so I&#039;ll really be kicking whatever publisher you&#039;d like in the tender places!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; how about I just download some comic books scans&#8230; then duplicate them until my hard drive fills up&#8230; since each of those copies is a lost sale so I&#8217;ll really be kicking whatever publisher you&#8217;d like in the tender places!</p>
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		<title>By: CGulow</title>
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		<dc:creator>CGulow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 21:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any competition between &quot;Entertainment Products&quot; such as comics is a fiction. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any competition between &#8220;Entertainment Products&#8221; such as comics is a fiction. </p>
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		<title>By: Bubba73</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bubba73</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 21:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Peter. I agree it&#039;s petty but still think that all they&#039;re ultimately doing is adding exclusivity to a competitor&#039;s brand even if only for this issue, they are making it difficult to obtain DC comics which possibly may lead to a hard to get = desirable situation. Surely the canny retailers would refuse the deal and up the price of the No 1 Flashpoint especially if 50 = only 1 special edition but again I&#039;m not up on comics and relative values. 

I&#039;m not even gonna get into the whole destroying literature thing &#039;cause I think we&#039;re all on the same page. Babum!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Peter. I agree it&#8217;s petty but still think that all they&#8217;re ultimately doing is adding exclusivity to a competitor&#8217;s brand even if only for this issue, they are making it difficult to obtain DC comics which possibly may lead to a hard to get = desirable situation. Surely the canny retailers would refuse the deal and up the price of the No 1 Flashpoint especially if 50 = only 1 special edition but again I&#8217;m not up on comics and relative values. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not even gonna get into the whole destroying literature thing &#8217;cause I think we&#8217;re all on the same page. Babum!</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn H Corey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn H Corey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 20:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Were these guys born stupid?  Go out and buy a whole bunch of our competitors&#039; product and send us proof that you did?  Get that?  Spend your money on our competitors and increases their sales.  Want we want proof that you caused our competitors sales to increase and increase their stock prices over ours.  If I owned stock in Marvel, I&#039;d sue the CEO.  How can anyone be that stupid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were these guys born stupid?  Go out and buy a whole bunch of our competitors&#8217; product and send us proof that you did?  Get that?  Spend your money on our competitors and increases their sales.  Want we want proof that you caused our competitors sales to increase and increase their stock prices over ours.  If I owned stock in Marvel, I&#8217;d sue the CEO.  How can anyone be that stupid?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No need to get annoyed when people don&#039;t understand why they (apparently) can&#039;t sell a book with the front cover torn off...

I&#039;ve just checked a dozen or so of the hundreds of books I have in my house and not a single one of those I checked has any sort of notice mentioning removed covers. 

So I assume this fine print is a US thing, so overseas readers like myself would not naturally understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No need to get annoyed when people don&#8217;t understand why they (apparently) can&#8217;t sell a book with the front cover torn off&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just checked a dozen or so of the hundreds of books I have in my house and not a single one of those I checked has any sort of notice mentioning removed covers. </p>
<p>So I assume this fine print is a US thing, so overseas readers like myself would not naturally understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Fine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian Fine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 20:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing to remember with comics is that the Direct Market buys their books without the possibility of returns or refunds in exchange for discounts on the front end. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing to remember with comics is that the Direct Market buys their books without the possibility of returns or refunds in exchange for discounts on the front end. </p>
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		<title>By: tjic</title>
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		<dc:creator>tjic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 20:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@HikinStick:disqus 

&gt; Stripped covers are the common way for receiving credit for unsold goods in the world of books (and comics).:

Having worked at bookstores, and having owned a comic book store (HeavyInk.com), I&#039;ll point out that you are HALF correct.

Comics used to work in the send-the-cover-back model, but stopped working that way 25 or so years back.

Comics now are sold by the distributor (the monopoly Diamond Comics) on a no-returns basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@HikinStick:disqus </p>
<p>&gt; Stripped covers are the common way for receiving credit for unsold goods in the world of books (and comics).:</p>
<p>Having worked at bookstores, and having owned a comic book store (HeavyInk.com), I&#8217;ll point out that you are HALF correct.</p>
<p>Comics used to work in the send-the-cover-back model, but stopped working that way 25 or so years back.</p>
<p>Comics now are sold by the distributor (the monopoly Diamond Comics) on a no-returns basis.</p>
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