Comments on: Pre-made manhattans for Burning Man http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Tue, 21 May 2013 06:26:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Doug Taphouse http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1188587 Doug Taphouse Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:45:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1188587 It's a huge waste of packaging and resources.  Just fill up a camelbak with the appropriate ingredients.  Or an emptied-out boxed wine bladder. It’s a huge waste of packaging and resources.  Just fill up a camelbak with the appropriate ingredients.  Or an emptied-out boxed wine bladder.

]]> By: knoxblox http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1187748 knoxblox Sun, 14 Aug 2011 03:04:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1187748 Well, Tang could be a great base for a decent batch of Hunch Punch. Well, Tang could be a great base for a decent batch of Hunch Punch.

]]> By: poly domes http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1187699 poly domes Sun, 14 Aug 2011 00:10:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1187699 It will never get that big unless Homeland will help. They had to limit the Population of Burning Man to 50,000 this year because they ran out of Law Enforcement Officers. It will never get that big unless Homeland will help.

They had to limit the Population of Burning Man to 50,000 this year because they ran out of Law Enforcement Officers.

]]> By: ReboundDesigns http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1187066 ReboundDesigns Fri, 12 Aug 2011 22:45:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1187066 PeaceLove, well put.  For everyone else still bitching about the MOOP potential, come by the Dusty Swan Irish Pub at 4:30 and Divorce for a beer, out of a keg.  I'll be bartending Tuesday night from 12-2.  But you damn well better bring your own cup!     PeaceLove, well put.  For everyone else still bitching about the MOOP potential, come by the Dusty Swan Irish Pub at 4:30 and Divorce for a beer, out of a keg.  I’ll be bartending Tuesday night from 12-2.  But you damn well better bring your own cup!    

]]> By: PeaceLove http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1187056 PeaceLove Fri, 12 Aug 2011 22:36:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1187056 Non-Burners: MOOP = Matter Out Of Place, ie anything other than Playa dust that's found on the Playa. The Leave No Trace ethic doesn't mean Burning Man is a minimalist event. It simply means you are responsible for taking out everything you bring in -- every last scrap of paper, plastic, wood, metal and other atom of stuff. The Leave No Trace ethic does encourage Burners to think carefully about their use of resources but it does not require people to avoid plastic bags, food wrappers or anything else. Condemning someone for pre-packaging Manhattans because they use 80 plastic bags is silly and contrary to the spirit of Burning Man. This isn't Everest Base Camp, where you pack light or risk death. It's a vast celebration of creativity and community. Commenters who assume Burning Man is an environmentally minimalist event fundamentally misunderstand its nature. Temporary art cities are inherently resource-intensive, unusually so. That's what makes the whole environment so unpredictable, indescribable, psychedelic and wonderful. Non-Burners: MOOP = Matter Out Of Place, ie anything other than Playa dust that’s found on the Playa.

The Leave No Trace ethic doesn’t mean Burning Man is a minimalist event. It simply means you are responsible for taking out everything you bring in — every last scrap of paper, plastic, wood, metal and other atom of stuff. The Leave No Trace ethic does encourage Burners to think carefully about their use of resources but it does not require people to avoid plastic bags, food wrappers or anything else. Condemning someone for pre-packaging Manhattans because they use 80 plastic bags is silly and contrary to the spirit of Burning Man.

This isn’t Everest Base Camp, where you pack light or risk death. It’s a vast celebration of creativity and community.

Commenters who assume Burning Man is an environmentally minimalist event fundamentally misunderstand its nature. Temporary art cities are inherently resource-intensive, unusually so. That’s what makes the whole environment so unpredictable, indescribable, psychedelic and wonderful.

]]> By: Evan G. http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1186957 Evan G. Fri, 12 Aug 2011 21:29:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1186957 (reads these comments, has to look up "MOOP"...backs away slowly...) (reads these comments, has to look up “MOOP”…backs away slowly…)

]]> By: wrybread http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1186942 wrybread Fri, 12 Aug 2011 21:17:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1186942 <blockquote>Our addiction to non reusable plastic is one of this species most fucked up behaviors. </blockquote>Seems to me that 50,000 people travelling from all over the globe to a desert in the middle of nowhere, consuming a tanker full of gas in the process, also constitutes "one of our species most fucked up behaviors"... I'm not complaining about it, I fully intended to be one of those 50,000, but puhlease on the self-righteousness. Are you going to be similarly condemning all the necklaces and whatnot that people will be giving out on the playa, most of which aren't even handmade as these drink pouches are?

Our addiction to non reusable plastic is one of this species most fucked up behaviors.

Seems to me that 50,000 people travelling from all over the globe to a desert in the middle of nowhere, consuming a tanker full of gas in the process, also constitutes “one of our species most fucked up behaviors”… I’m not complaining about it, I fully intended to be one of those 50,000, but puhlease on the self-righteousness. Are you going to be similarly condemning all the necklaces and whatnot that people will be giving out on the playa, most of which aren’t even handmade as these drink pouches are?

]]> By: Stefan Schachtell http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1186919 Stefan Schachtell Fri, 12 Aug 2011 20:54:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1186919 address please address please

]]> By: SKR http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1186874 SKR Fri, 12 Aug 2011 20:20:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1186874 I'm so making these for our next camping trip. I’m so making these for our next camping trip.

]]> By: Dave Pease http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1186790 Dave Pease Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:22:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1186790 my goodness, what a bunch of whiny buzzkills my goodness, what a bunch of whiny buzzkills

]]> By: C W http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1186749 C W Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:03:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1186749 totally! now let's buy some solo cups... oh. totally! now let’s buy some solo cups… oh.

]]> By: SKR http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1186668 SKR Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:06:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1186668 those plastic bags are also easier to pack out than a bunch of glass bottles. those plastic bags are also easier to pack out than a bunch of glass bottles.

]]> By: SKR http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1186667 SKR Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:05:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1186667 So, that was pretty simple, just use the machine to seal the bag without vacuum as though you are making a bag from the roll.  That was pretty easy and I suppose why there is significant headspace in the photos.  I don't know why I thought I HAD to use the vacuum.  Silly me. So, that was pretty simple, just use the machine to seal the bag without vacuum as though you are making a bag from the roll.  That was pretty easy and I suppose why there is significant headspace in the photos.  I don’t know why I thought I HAD to use the vacuum.  Silly me.

]]> By: chikurt http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1186658 chikurt Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:58:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1186658 Plastics get recycled more than glass does. Not that we should be using either. Every product should be wrapped in a coconut shell, grass based plastics, ceramics etc. At least foodsavr bags are quasi re-usable. You should really just roll your oak cask of whiskey out there and then take it home with you for further use. Plastics get recycled more than glass does. Not that we should be using either. Every product should be wrapped in a coconut shell, grass based plastics, ceramics etc. At least foodsavr bags are quasi re-usable. You should really just roll your oak cask of whiskey out there and then take it home with you for further use.

]]> By: Crunt http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1186634 Crunt Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:36:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1186634 It's a fun idea, you're really never too far from alcoholic refreshment at Burning Man. It’s a fun idea, you’re really never too far from alcoholic refreshment at Burning Man.

]]> By: Jal Lee'mon http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1186585 Jal Lee'mon Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:36:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1186585 Ditto on that. This is a BADDD idea as it involved aprox. 500% more resources and material than just bringing the ingredients and mixing it on-Playa. I am one of the volunteers that builds the city and then cleans up after the event. If I find one of those packages laying in the dirt, I know where to mail it to. Our addiction to non reusable plastic is one of this species most fucked up behaviors.  Ditto on that. This is a BADDD idea as it involved aprox. 500% more resources and material than just bringing the ingredients and mixing it on-Playa. I am one of the volunteers that builds the city and then cleans up after the event. If I find one of those packages laying in the dirt, I know where to mail it to. Our addiction to non reusable plastic is one of this species most fucked up behaviors. 

]]> By: yri http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1186575 yri Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:13:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1186575 Awesome.  Awesome. 

]]> By: franko http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1186572 franko Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:09:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1186572 this will be my 15th burn. i'm not a jaded old timer, a hipster wannabe, or a trust funded person, thank you very much. i DEFINITELY appreciate the creativity and thought behind this idea, i just prefer to make drinks for people in person, on the playa, and i worry that the bags will become moop, that's all. oh, and Farley? get bent -- i've heard music at burning man that is JUST AS GOOD as the stuff at woodstock in '69. it may not be your cup of tea, but that doesn't mean it isn't good. this will be my 15th burn. i’m not a jaded old timer, a hipster wannabe, or a trust funded person, thank you very much. i DEFINITELY appreciate the creativity and thought behind this idea, i just prefer to make drinks for people in person, on the playa, and i worry that the bags will become moop, that’s all. oh, and Farley? get bent — i’ve heard music at burning man that is JUST AS GOOD as the stuff at woodstock in ’69. it may not be your cup of tea, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t good.

]]> By: ReboundDesigns http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1186516 ReboundDesigns Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:46:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1186516 I think this is pretty neat, I would be totally stoked to get a Manhattan in a bag on the playa this year!  Moop schmoop, an empty plastic bag is easy to stick in your bag and pack out with the rest of your trash, way better than a plastic cup.  Although, everyone should be carrying their own reusable cup.   I think this is pretty neat, I would be totally stoked to get a Manhattan in a bag on the playa this year!  Moop schmoop, an empty plastic bag is easy to stick in your bag and pack out with the rest of your trash, way better than a plastic cup.  Although, everyone should be carrying their own reusable cup.  

]]> By: Gutierrez http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1186499 Gutierrez Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:24:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1186499 Because I already cooked and ate one wonderful steak from the family pack of four and I want to save the rest for later so they don't go to waste.   You partially freeze raw meat to vacuum seal it.  I would never freeze a cooked steak.  I should have been more clear. Because I already cooked and ate one wonderful steak from the family pack of four and I want to save the rest for later so they don’t go to waste.  

You partially freeze raw meat to vacuum seal it.  I would never freeze a cooked steak.  I should have been more clear.

]]> By: wrybread http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1186432 wrybread Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:19:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1186432 <blockquote>Burning Man - Woodstock minus good music for today's desperate to be hip Trust Fund Kids. </blockquote> I bet the grumpy old bastards said the same thing about Woodstock in 1969. And that trust fund sure would come in handy right now, as I'm up working yet again at 4am so I can afford to go to Burning Man... And I'm totally not sure what to make of this statement you put in <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/farleysmith" rel="nofollow">your Twitter feed</a> (which is a real ray of sunshine by the way): "I am a closet TFK (trust fund kid) struggling to 'come out'. to no longer be ashamed of my elite status and tired of posing as an impoverished bohemian." Working out some issues are we?

Burning Man – Woodstock minus good music for today’s desperate to be hip Trust Fund Kids.

I bet the grumpy old bastards said the same thing about Woodstock in 1969.

And that trust fund sure would come in handy right now, as I’m up working yet again at 4am so I can afford to go to Burning Man…

And I’m totally not sure what to make of this statement you put in your Twitter feed (which is a real ray of sunshine by the way): “I am a closet TFK (trust fund kid) struggling to ‘come out’. to no longer be ashamed of my elite status and tired of posing as an impoverished bohemian.” Working out some issues are we?

]]> By: Farley Smith http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1186429 Farley Smith Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:10:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1186429 This has got to be breaking a large number of Korpo/Fascist IP and packaging laws.  Plus, how do you know you the ingredients don't have a dose included as well. Burning Man - Woodstock minus good music for today's desperate to be hip Trust Fund Kids. This has got to be breaking a large number of Korpo/Fascist IP and packaging laws. 

Plus, how do you know you the ingredients don’t have a dose included as well.

Burning Man – Woodstock minus good music for today’s desperate to be hip Trust Fund Kids.

]]> By: Boris Gomolka http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1186384 Boris Gomolka Fri, 12 Aug 2011 09:00:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1186384 Eat your plastic. Eat your plastic.

]]> By: brady forrest http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1186315 brady forrest Fri, 12 Aug 2011 07:07:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1186315 I'm the Brady who made the cocktails. Gift giving is a part of Burning Man. My favorites to give (and receive) are little creature comforts: a cold beer, homemade jerky. I generally dislike the camp shwag that has become so common. I always appreciate something that is made by the person. After hearing Phil's Ignite talk I realized that I could share mixed drinks quite easily. I expect that some people will drink them when they get them, but the majority will take them back to camp and ice them for later enjoyment. This would not be possible with a cooler.  I trust that the Burners will be responsible for their trash and not MOOP. My friends and I will gladly handle the bags. If you want a cocktail, I'll be camped with the <a href="http://www.shameproject.org/" rel="nofollow">Shame Project</a>.  I’m the Brady who made the cocktails. Gift giving is a part of Burning Man. My favorites to give (and receive) are little creature comforts: a cold beer, homemade jerky. I generally dislike the camp shwag that has become so common. I always appreciate something that is made by the person. After hearing Phil’s Ignite talk I realized that I could share mixed drinks quite easily. I expect that some people will drink them when they get them, but the majority will take them back to camp and ice them for later enjoyment. This would not be possible with a cooler. 

I trust that the Burners will be responsible for their trash and not MOOP. My friends and I will gladly handle the bags. If you want a cocktail, I’ll be camped with the Shame Project. 

]]> By: llew http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1186308 llew Fri, 12 Aug 2011 06:57:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1186308 I am ready to be a guinea pig. Bring it on! I am ready to be a guinea pig. Bring it on!

]]> By: Tariqa Mead http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1186300 Tariqa Mead Fri, 12 Aug 2011 06:33:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1186300 True, but everything in a Manhattan is full of booze to begin with (unlike fresh o.j.).  A few bars have begun casking some cocktails. True, but everything in a Manhattan is full of booze to begin with (unlike fresh o.j.).  A few bars have begun casking some cocktails.

]]> By: skeletoncityrepeater http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1186291 skeletoncityrepeater Fri, 12 Aug 2011 06:07:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1186291 There is most certainly a reaction taking place. That's why they keep the ingredients separate. Alcohol breaks down other ingredients pretty quickly, which is why you have to keep other stuff separate until it's made. Ever had one of those disgusting pre-made Screwdrivers? I don't recommend it. There is most certainly a reaction taking place. That’s why they keep the ingredients separate. Alcohol breaks down other ingredients pretty quickly, which is why you have to keep other stuff separate until it’s made. Ever had one of those disgusting pre-made Screwdrivers? I don’t recommend it.

]]> By: obdan http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1186287 obdan Fri, 12 Aug 2011 05:49:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1186287 that is funny.. very that is funny.. very

]]> By: mat catastrophe http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1186283 mat catastrophe Fri, 12 Aug 2011 05:18:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1186283 If I am careful, by sometime in the 2040s, I will be the only person not to go to Burning Man. If I am careful, by sometime in the 2040s, I will be the only person not to go to Burning Man.

]]> By: Tau'ma http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/pre-made-manhattans-for-burning-man.html#comment-1186281 Tau'ma Fri, 12 Aug 2011 05:13:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=113078#comment-1186281 Can you pass the Pre-made manhattans for Burning Man test? Can you pass the Pre-made manhattans for Burning Man test?

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