Comments on: Tolstoy on Difficulty, 1897

By: boehj

boehj — Wed, 24 Aug 2011 03:03:00 +0000

“If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence.”

-Russell

By: skepgineer

skepgineer — Wed, 24 Aug 2011 02:48:00 +0000

Tolstoy may be confusing lack of disagreement with understanding. Naive students won’t disagree with what they’re taught, but they won’t understand it very well either. They sit quietly and hide their ignorance. The obstreperous ones tend to eventually have the greatest understanding.

By: Antinous / Moderator

Antinous / Moderator — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:37:00 +0000

Everyone regards this as a character flaw, but doesn’t it seem much more likely that it’s a physiological result of the way that our brains store information?

By: Sam Huffman

Sam Huffman — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:08:00 +0000

@boingboing-3c5f649c852dd2623fc23d6baca7660a:disqus

this is what you’re thinking of, also by Tolstoy:

I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the
greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most
obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of
conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues,
which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven,
thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives.

By: Sarah Shevett

Sarah Shevett — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:04:00 +0000

It’s apparent that the responders have differing opinions on the authors of their quotes and they all think that they are right

By: mkultra

mkultra — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:37:00 +0000

“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.” –Stephen Hawking

By: Happler

Happler — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:13:00 +0000

Rule 34 states that it already exists.

By: justawriter

justawriter — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:59:00 +0000

Thank you!

By: Archer Sully

Archer Sully — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:49:00 +0000

I refer to this as the certitude of ignorance.

By: Archer Sully

Archer Sully — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:48:00 +0000

It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it. Upton Sinclair

By: technogeekagain

technogeekagain — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:32:00 +0000

Note the recent study showing that folks ignorant about an issue are more definite in their opinions about it than the experts in that field — because the ignorant don’t know how much they don’t know, while the experts know how much they still don’t know.

(This one resonates with me due to a recent discussion with a young-earth biblical literalist who can’t accept any scientific evidence for evolution because it doesn’t fit his 4000-year timescale. If you start from a false premise, you can “prove” anything.”)

Happler: Two zen masters, one cup?

By: justawriter

justawriter — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:29:00 +0000

I can’t find the exact quote or who said it at the moment, but I think the more relevant version today is (paraphrasing) You will never get someone to understand something when their livelihood depends on not understanding it. There was an NPR story this morning on political attacks on scientific studies that had me just livid.
http://www.npr.org/2011/08/23/139852035/shrimp-on-a-treadmill-the-politics-of-silly-studies

By: Happler

Happler — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:21:00 +0000

Nan-in, a Japanese master during the Meiji (1868-1912), received a university professor who came to inquire about Zen.Nan-in served tea. He poured his visitor’s cup full, and then kept on pouring.The professor watched the overflow until he no longer could restrain himself. “It is overfull. No more will go in!”"Like this cup,” Nan-in said, “you are full of your own opinions
and speculations. How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your
cup?”

By: dculberson

dculberson — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:10:00 +0000

As with any analogy, there are some major flaws to the parachute/mind one. If you weren’t able to pack up and close a parachute, it wouldn’t be useful at all. You would plummet to your death on jumping out of the plane since it would tangle and not deploy. So should your brain be closed neatly until such time as you need it open? Or is the idea that we’re constantly in freefall, never touching the ground, unless we have a parachute-like open mind, in which case we’re floating and never falling, forever? It would be difficult to eat like that.

By: Tyler Carpenter

Tyler Carpenter — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:56:00 +0000

Bumper Sticker corollary: “People’s minds are like parachutes – they only function when they are open.”, James Dewar (NOT Thomas Dewar)

By: Jonah Petri

Jonah Petri — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:56:00 +0000

A good narrative is even more powerful than an idea, in this regard. Once you’ve convinced people there’s a pattern to events, they can’t help but see it and be reinforced in their conviction, over and over.

Of course, politicians and marketers are the most advanced users of these bugs in our psyches, but they’re not the only ones!

By: Moriarty

Moriarty — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:45:00 +0000

What amazes me is when people will quote things like this yet apparently not see how thoroughly it applies to themselves.

By: irksome

irksome — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:30:00 +0000

“Sounds like Tolstoy may have had some experience…” talking to Tea Party members.

By: Eark_the_Bunny

Eark_the_Bunny — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:23:00 +0000

“Just because Shakespeare or Ben Franklin or Socrates said something that does not make it so,” ~ Eark the Bunny 1995

By: Arthur McGiven

Arthur McGiven — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:07:00 +0000

“It ain’t so much the things we don’t know that get us in trouble. It’s the things we know that ain’t so.”Artemus Ward American Writer and Humorist, 1834-1867

By: TheAntipodean

TheAntipodean — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:58:00 +0000

“It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so.” Mark Twain. Both describe the confirmation bias, a psychological trap for all of us.

By: funlovingsociopath

funlovingsociopath — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:55:00 +0000

Sounds like Tolstoy may have had some experience as a tech support/customer service operator.

By: irksome

irksome — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:47:00 +0000

“The sun will rise, the sun will set, and I’ll have lunch.”

Lou Gorman, 1987

By: Akma Adam

Akma Adam — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:22:00 +0000

Since I often lose hours trying to verify and locate quotations noted on the Net, I’ll note here that this seems to be from Tolstoy’s The Kingdom of God Is Within You, chapter 3, fourth paragraph — but I’ll welcome a more precise bibliographic reference.