Comments on: Internet Archive's cache of 24/7 TV footage from 9/11 and beyond

By: jeffhintx

jeffhintx — Sun, 28 Aug 2011 15:27:00 +0000

Actually Howard Stern was the first one to say it was a terrorist attack.

By: Bill Heffner

Bill Heffner — Sun, 28 Aug 2011 14:06:00 +0000

On the day we lost Challenger he was advising us that a clip was coming up, one showing the parents of Christa McCauliff. There was a delay and then he said, “We seem to have lost that clip. A good clip to lose in my opinion.” He said it calmly and sadly, and endeared himself to me forever.

By: angusm

angusm — Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:34:00 +0000

Unfortunately, the company in question just filed for Chapter 7 liquidation. I don’t know what will happen to the stockpiled tapes, but I doubt anyone there is thinking about that just now.

By: Michael McCabe

Michael McCabe — Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:19:00 +0000

> On a shelf next to my desk were several big cardboard boxes full of tapes, marked ‘Sep 11-13 2001 – Do not wipe’.

If you can get these to the Internet Archive, they’ll digitize them for you.

By: Donny Viszneki

Donny Viszneki — Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:12:00 +0000

Can we participate as archivists ourselves? Is there a torrent with all the archival footage?

By: juepucta

juepucta — Fri, 26 Aug 2011 05:27:00 +0000

I’m going on a media blackout on the 8th and trying to not go back until the 13th or so. Online i;ll handle in small doses but the other media will be full of the usual idiocy and promos for more idiocy so i’m skipping altogether.

-G.

By: Robert Mack

Robert Mack — Fri, 26 Aug 2011 02:37:00 +0000

Everybody knew the building was going to collapse and the FDNY had said so publicly, they clearly just messed up. Why don’t you question other inaccuracies, like reports of bombings that didn’t happen. Oh because they don’t fit into your theories.

By: Robert Mack

Robert Mack — Fri, 26 Aug 2011 02:32:00 +0000

The raw footage is almost to painful to watch, at least for me but heaps of it is available online. http://davidvogler.com/911 this is edited but its one persons collection of what he filmed overlayed with 911 calls.

By: bocomo

bocomo — Fri, 26 Aug 2011 01:24:00 +0000

i’m glad this is preserved

there’s no reason to destroy information

By: millie fink

millie fink — Fri, 26 Aug 2011 00:37:00 +0000

It’s already been talked about, ad nauseam. For example–

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081206090620AA3DqID

By: travis_67

travis_67 — Thu, 25 Aug 2011 23:32:00 +0000

Why indeed? Yet, there it is for us all to see. On yesterday’s Democracy Now, Brewster Kahle (founder of the Internet Archive) discussed this clip, said he took a lots of heat for releasing it after the BBC pulled their copy from the web. He went back and verified the timeline… it is 20 minutes early…. shouldn’t this be talked about?

By: grimc

grimc — Thu, 25 Aug 2011 22:35:00 +0000

Because the BBC DID IT.

By: Avram Grumer

Avram Grumer — Thu, 25 Aug 2011 22:10:00 +0000

Travis_67, if there was a secret plot to destroy WTC 7, why would they need to bring the BBC in on it ahead of time? Why not just destroy the building, then let the reporters hear about it normally?

By: surreality

surreality — Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:21:00 +0000

I still can’t believe I spent that whole day in school not knowing what was really going on until I came home. My father was home from work watching the footage.

By: mccrum

mccrum — Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:46:00 +0000

Or part of the huge government conspiracy that keeps track of rabblerousers like yourself…

By: taj1f

taj1f — Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:28:00 +0000

No, I live in Manhattan (20+ years). But I’m visiting California at the moment! Are you psychic?

By: taj1f

taj1f — Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:22:00 +0000

Hey Newt. Thank you for reminding me about the first responders and those who were actively involved in the recovery efforts. Those people were/are truly exceptional human beings.

As for the rest of your comments, I’ll reserve mine. Best of luck!

By: bestsean

bestsean — Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:21:00 +0000

I wish someone had archived television on September 10th, I’d really like to see that for context.

By: coppet

coppet — Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:58:00 +0000

It seems I remember that early broadcasts showed people in desperation jumping to their deaths out of the windows. These were mercifully never replayed in later rebroadcasts. How horrendous the choice: burn to death or die on hard pavement.

By: anansi133

anansi133 — Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:54:00 +0000

17 days and counting, before the 10 year reunion. I’m only a little bit afraid of a reprise, mostly I fear we’ll numbly move along and try not to remember what has been lost in those 10 years.

On the other hand, fear is also a choice.It’s never too late to choose different.

By: Ari B.

Ari B. — Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:46:00 +0000

You’re from California, aren’t you?

By: spotrh

spotrh — Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:46:00 +0000

Several years after 9/11, I was getting a tour of a major television network with one of their head IT guys, and as he was showing us around behind the scenes, we passed a large room where the raw feeds came in, before they went on the air. I was fascinated with it and I wanted to look in the big windows, but he just kept walking. I stopped him and asked him about it, and he explained the room, then added that after 9/11, he never wanted to see raw, unedited live feeds again.

I wonder if any of the networks saved any of that raw feed footage, purely from a historical context.

By: double_tilly

double_tilly — Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:43:00 +0000

I wish I could see the second plane better at the 9:09 clip on CNN. I can see the tail fin, but the rest is obscured by the CNN banner on the bottom of the screen. By the announcer’s reaction, it sounds like they see more than we do. I haven’t seen that clip replayed much, maybe later over the next couple of days it was played more.

I want to see if there is more detail on the side of the plane.

By: Ari B.

Ari B. — Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:38:00 +0000

Could just have been a lot of information flying around in a high stress situation, and not actually a Tom Clancy novel*.

*y’know, one of the good ones.

By: travis_67

travis_67 — Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:20:00 +0000

damn grimc, you hit that softball out of the park… but seriously.

could this have been a peak behind the curtain in a wag the dog script?

By: Jonathan Crow

Jonathan Crow — Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:04:00 +0000

I hate the whole 30 second bites of this site. Wasn’t there another archive site that had less channels but longer files?

By: grimc

grimc — Thu, 25 Aug 2011 17:36:00 +0000

BBC has the Tardis.

By: Noctilucent Studios

Noctilucent Studios — Thu, 25 Aug 2011 17:29:00 +0000

Absolutely spot on.

Spot.
F*cking.
On.

By: travis_67

travis_67 — Thu, 25 Aug 2011 17:26:00 +0000

is there any explanation of the BBC coming in 20 minutes early on the building 7 collapse?

By: benher

benher — Thu, 25 Aug 2011 17:07:00 +0000

The day that our rulers made a power play for our freedoms and won.

Not a month after the disaster the “Made in China” Rah Rah commemorative “never forget” license plates being shoved up my ass made America feel more and more uncomfortable.

The Absolut(tm) un-reflection and lack of introspection of it’s people gripped by mob-mentality became troubling.

“Freedom,” “Patriot,” “Hero,” all became ad campaigns and nationalist propaganda. The American Flag a giant cardboard poster of Mao or a bronze of Lenin.

A few dead Muslims, a few futile wars, a few tra-jillion dollars later, if I had to fill out a scorecard, I’d say that we as a nation failed those victims and have shamed their memory.