"For 9/11" (Boing Boing Flickr Pool)

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  1. Brainspore says:

    I agree with the general point of the piece but I find it depressing that so many people use this kind of statement as evidence to support downright nutty conspiracy theories.

    Also, yay pacifists.

    • sagodjur says:

      Conspiracy theorists will use anything to support their theories because the phenomenon of conspiracy theories has to do with the theorists rather than the reality. It doesn’t denigrate the truths or observations that the conspiracy theorists use.

      Mark David Chapman doesn’t make The Catcher in the Rye a bad book and Anders Breivik doesn’t make Call of Duty and World of Warcraft bad games.

      Hell, the actual Jesus of the Bible was a pretty cool guy before the Christians started telling people what he opposed and who he hated.

    • fraac says:

      Think of Nazism as a natural popular development rather than the design of moustache-twirling baddies and your nutty conspiracies disappear. Of course that leaves one with rather more self-awareness than can be comfortably handled.

      • Brainspore says:

        Think of Nazism as a natural popular development rather than the design
        of moustache-twirling baddies and your nutty conspiracies disappear.

        They’re not my nutty conspiracy theories. I agree with you- evil doesn’t need to pull strings from the shadows to come into power. Why bother with a cloak of invisibility when you can just drape yourself in a flag?

  2. Navin_Johnson says:

    The statement stands on it’s own without all the 9/11 hints.  Actually think it’s better without it, as it applies to so many other issues.

    • HenryPootel says:

      I agree Navin_Johnson.  It’s not conspiracy fodder, it’s a view of just the kind of national fervor the US could get whipped into.  I think a bit of national fervor is a good thing now and then – look at Egypt and Libya. 

    • Crashproof says:

      Indeed, it applies to all the poor oppressed Christians in the US who claim if they’re not being attacked and harrassed they’re not doing it right.

  3. natward says:

    Are you from the best country on earth and believe God says so?
    Are you tired of those smarty pants that believe in Evolution?
    Do you find the so called “Art” being shown in modern art museums confusing and ugly?
    Do you wish we could return to “the good old days”?
    Are you sick of those poor/black/brown/other people that live on welfare?
    Do you you want to keep out immigrants?

    If you answer yes to all these questions you could be either a Tea Party member, or a fascist.

    Thank You,

    Have a Nice Day!

    • gwailo_joe says:

      Do you find the so called “Art” being shown in modern art museums confusing and ugly?
      yes….yes I do!

      I feel the same about this graphic…but it, like the modern art, I could not on my own better…I just comfortably critique from my sofa.

      (Nazis suck!!)

  4. KBert says:

    So, we call the leaders out as liars.

  5. geekcalif says:

    I’m sure I missed it but what does Goering’s statement have to do with actual attack on 9/11?

  6. Teller says:

    The full quote and the story behind it are far more interesting than the ironically Goeringesque way it’s presented here for middle-school dramatic effect. America is even specifically mentioned.
    http://www.snopes.com/quotes/goering.asp.

  7. gwailo_joe says:

    Yup.  Right on point there. 

    Broken clock and all that…

  8. glaborous_immolate says:

    Yes, Seems like the poster is inadvertenty saying “I agree with the cyncial and manipulative Goering: democracies are no better than fascist dictatorships, because people are easily led sheep in any of them”

  9. poon hound says:

    Cool.  Boing-Boing is a truther blog now.

  10. Mitchell Glaser says:

    Eisenhower, with his warning against the military-industrial complex, understood this well.

  11. BarBarSeven says:

    Did the U.S. really need the 9/11 attacks to send troops to war? When it was revealed there were no so-called “weapons of mass destruction” in Iraq, who stood up and said “Hey! We were lied to!” Very few.

    If you ask me in a world where 9/11 never happened, somehow George W. Bush and Dick Cheney would have figured out a way to send troops overseas.

  12. flagler23 says:

    The statement is almost tautological and therefore not really enlightening, but that’s why it’s so dangerous.  It suggests nothing of when we should suspect our leaders itself, as opposed to trusting that we’re being attacked, but the mere use of it is suggestive enough that we should.

  13. This is freshman grade agitprop. Goering made this statement in relationship to World War II, because he believed Roosevelt dragged and manipulated the US into war with the Axis. (And yes, there was a pacifist movement against US involvement even in WWII, and yes, pacifists’ patriotism was impugned.) So if you treat Goering’s statement as meaningful, you’re basically accepting his underlying premise that the US fought World War II for nefarious, dubious reasons. I’m not sure why today’s anti-war movement wants to promote a Nazi worldview, but with this quote, they literally are.

    • samovar100 says:

      I agree,  in that there seems to be quit a few posts on BB lately that would qualify as freshman level agitprop.

    • floraldeoderant says:

      I can’t be understanding what you’re saying correctly. I do apologize but…Are you saying that his quote can only work on the one level, of critiquing America from a Nazi standpoint? And that the fact that it works on a broader scale is… What, an accident? (And that he phrased it generally because…) Alternately, you’re saying things can never evolve into meaning something else? That because Goering only intended it to be used in one context (yo necessito citation), it can’t also apply to others? When person A gets cross with person B for using a swear word, person A is really engaging in class warfare against the poor, uneducated English speakers?People quote it because it’s meant to shock people living in a society that’s so very fond of shouting about its own freedom. And even if you’re unmoved by its perfect prediction of recent history, it’s using one bit of rhetoric (omg Nazis ugaiz) to combat something at least as sophomoric (USA! USA! USA!).To say that people who use the quote are proclaiming their affection for Nazi philosophy is inane.

    • Cowicide says:

      I’m not sure why today’s anti-war movement wants to promote a Nazi worldview, but with this quote, they literally are.

      You’re not sure?  It’s very simple.  Today’s anti-war movement is filled with Nazis who secretly want war and are doing so by literally promoting a Nazi worldview to all those who ignore the spirit of the message and focus on the  red herring intent of the Nazi in question.  Why else?

      • MB44 says:

        Cowicide,
        Where do you get the energy to debunk the comments of idiots and produce consistently witty remarks to posts that are pertinent to world events and issues that I feel are important. I always feel so zapped that I can rarely muster an argument against the idiots that you consistently thrash on BoingBoing. I want to know your secret. I must know your secret…
        BTW are you only getting 50 cents per post? You should talk to xeni because your style call for a raise.
        mb

        • benher says:

          Cowicide is the shadow CEO of Redbull. 

        • Cowicide says:

          If it wasn’t for all the posts of mine that Xeni, moderators, etc. nuke before you read them, you’d probably hate me.

        • samovar100 says:

          It’s not so much the debunking but rather the self-satisfied degree of snark that seems to be overwhelming the BB comments the past few months.

          • MB44 says:

            Last couple of months? I have always taken snark to be a trend in BB comments since I started reading the blog a couple of years ago. I prefer snark to ignorance any day though and as far a an internet collective goes, it seems like BB commentators know what they are talking about, as a whole, much more than any other group I have found online with a similar forum.

  14. librtee_dot_com says:

    Amazing message, that need. to be more widely known. I am currently selling a t-shirt with those exact words on it…

  15. GlenBlank says:

    At the risk of being misunderstood, misinterpreted, and deliberately misconstrued, I would simply observe (without implying any particular conclusion) that:

    Goering was a masterful propagandist.  A masterful propagandist who was about to be executed, after his country’s military had been defeated by an alliance of nations, one of the most powerful of which was the United States – a democratic nation whose citizens wholeheartedly supported entering the war only after they were told that they were being attacked – and whose pacifists were frequently denounced for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. 

    Make of that what you will.

    • NothingButFlowers says:

      Goering had a pretty good grasp of war propaganda. He may have been trying to call the kettle black but he was also revealing a truth about propaganda which, despite the source and context, has some truth to it.

  16. opmaroon says:

    BUT THEY HATE OUR FREEEDOM!

  17. awjt says:

    Nazi-ism wasn’t something dreamed up “by the people.”  It was dreamed up by a few people as a power play to take Germany back from the SA. It grew in popularity because of its ability to polarize on a mass scale and to marginalize the weak.  Once they had parliamentary control, and therefore impunity, they executed their rival countrymen and took over the military. And then began their march towards the beaches and extermination of all who opposed.

    If you think that couldn’t happen in the USA, you are under a rock.

  18. Teller says:

    Almost every other day in this fascinating comments section, I read sci-fi class musings about the coming takeover of the US either by the people or the fascists. The rock I’m supposed to be under if I don’t believe either can happen, is the rock I now stand on where I can look across this nation and assure the fearful we are too large, too diverse and too cranky for such shenanigans to occur.

  19. sblethyn says:

    Isn’t this how any politician of any nation attempts to get the country behind them to war – “weapons of mass destruction” any one? Just substitute “threatened” for “attacked” and it works for starting wars as well.

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