Missouri town still hates Jayhawks

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  1. msilverman says:

    Rock Chalk Jayhawk!

    I enjoy our little rivalry with the folks to the east (although ‘rivalry’ implies some degree of competition, and given that Missouri has never been to a Final 4 or a BCS football bowl game, it’s hardly much of a rivalry, at least on athletic terms).

    I would add that of course, this originates in the Civil War, and Kansas was fighting for freedom, whereas Missouri was fighting for the right to…own slaves.

    In the end, Abe SImpson said it best:

    Lisa: Grandpa, your flag only has 49 stars
    Abe: I’ll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missouri!

    • Maggie Koerth-Baker says:

      I would add that of course, this originates in the Civil War, and Kansas was fighting for freedom, whereas Missouri was fighting for the right to…own slaves.

      Which is, I think, why we tend to win these arguments. And also why I find Mr. Rick Reed’s anger more than a little creepy. 

    • Reverend Loki says:

      Now, I admit that KU has consistently had one of the best basketball teams of ANY junior college in these United States, but to try and bust Mizzou over football?  I’m guessing you haven’t watched much KU football in the past century.

      /Happily living on State Line Road…

      • msilverman says:

        Now I will freely admit this year’s Missouri football team might be slightly better then the Kansas version – but in any rivalry that extends back to the Civil War we must look at history and Mizzou’s history is bereft of any BCS bowl victories although they have plenty of fifth down and miracle kick losses to make up for it!

  2. dculberson says:

    Using “Uppity” when describing a name that has its history steeped in the fight to free black slaves?  Oh, Mr. Reed, could you be any more transparent??

  3. elyriaks says:

    “And neither Kansans nor Missourians are currently oppressing one another”

    Haven’t seen any Mizzou and KU games lately, huh?  Just wear your crimson and blue into Columbia and see what happens!

    Rock Chalk!

  4. strangefriend says:

    In The Outlaw Josey Wales, Clint Eastwood’s family farm was attacked by ‘Red Legs,’ or a Union militia formed from Jayhawkers.

  5. docket says:

    Was this passed on by the same Justin Henning who used to camp in Osceola with Troop 98?

  6. Richard Holcomb says:

    Well, obviously the Kansas-Missouri history is complicated.  It bears noting, however, that the Missouri Tigers are also named for a Civil War era militia:  The Fighting Tigers of Columbia.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Missouri

  7. Rich Keller says:

    This is silly to the point of being preposterous. How many generations have gone by since Reconstruction? This can only happen by people continuing to fill their kids’ heads up with hateful spite and sore-losership. It’s long past time to let it go.

  8. show me says:

    I can understand why Kansans cling so much to the Jayhawks, as they and the Wildcats (er, make that Eco-cats) are the only sports teams you have to root for. Three professional sports teams play within two miles of where I now sit (downtown St. Louis), which is three more than play in the whole state of Kansas. And there are more on the other side of the state. We think about Kansas about as much as we think about South Dakota.

    • dculberson says:

      “We think about Kansas about as much as we think about South Dakota.”

      The entirety of this article and the actions it covers seem to thoroughly debunk your claim.  If Missourans don’t spend their days and nights thinking about Kansas, then why are they whining about a name in Kansas?

      • show me says:

        The people in this article are from some place that obviously does think a lot about Kansas, but they are not representative of the majority of the state.

    • Reverend Loki says:

      To be fair, Sporting KC (Once the Kansas City Wizards) are now based out of Kansas City, Kansas.  The T-Bones play in KCK as well, and maybe they’re not MLB, but it was a fair bit more fun to watch than a Royals game. 

      They are even getting another chance to watch cars drive fast in a circle!

      OK, so maybe this wouldn’t be possible without the population on the MO side of the border to support it as well…

  9. Maggie Koerth-Baker says:

    Bonus to posting this story: Passive-aggressive pro-Missouri comments. ;) 

  10. At least they picked the their mascot from among the free state militias and not the other side.

  11. awjt says:

    Is this why there is a confusingly named Kansas City in Missouri?  Fraid I don’t know much about the history.

    • Reverend Loki says:

      The city of Kansas City (which of course was once simply the Town of Kansas) incorporated in 1853, in the already existing state of Missouri.  The state of Kansas became a state in 1861, 8 years later. 

      Also keep in mind that this is where the Kansas River meets with and empties into the Missouri, and the Kansas River is where both Town/City and State take the name Kansas from.  The river in turn pulled it’s name from the Kanza people, also known as the Kaw.

      Why yes, I have answered this question a few times, why do you ask?

  12. bwcbwc says:

    When I lived in St. Louis, I thought the big chip on native Missourian’s shoulders was with Indiana (“Hoosier” is not a term of endearment there.) Looks like I missed the bigger story. Of course most of Missouri would gladly trade St. Louis to Indiana or even Kansas so the remainder of Missouri could go about setting up their Randite, Christian utopia.

    • Reverend Loki says:

      Halfway through my formative years growing up in Indiana, my family moved to Kansas City, Missouri, around here, if the word Hoosier means anything more than “another good basketball school”, “a brand of tire” or “a movie starring Gene Hackman” to someone, chances are you’ve found another Indiana transplant.

      It’s always seemed to me that the bias against Hoosier is more of a St Louis or Illinois thing.

  13. Bubba73 says:

    The Osceolians have been pissed ever since they had to give up their burning cross mascot.

  14. Zack Wussow says:

    I’m sorry to all the college sports fans, but I think the much more interesting story is the grammatical one. How the heck is “Kansas” not a proper noun? I want to hear that argument! 

  15. WillieNelsonMandela says:

    The raid on Osceola freed 200 slaves. That’s awesome.

    • Maggie Koerth-Baker says:

      Hah! I missed that. Was that in the article?

      Because, if so, screw it. The raid was a win. 

      • WillieNelsonMandela says:

        Maggie, it wasn’t in the article. I did a Google search for details on the Osceola raid and learned about the freeing of the slaves that way. On a side note, my wife and I adopted a dog from the Osceola animal shelter a couple years ago and the people there were as nice as can be. One lady in particular named Letichia works tirelessly to find homes for dogs that come from puppy mills that have been raided. She has her hands full as 30% of the nation’s puppy mills are in Missouri and she has almost no budget to work with. When the lady doing our paperwork saw that we were from Lawrence, she looked at our dog and said with a smile “It looks like you’re going to be a Jayhawk.” I disagree with their resolution to ban the Jayhawk, but I have nothing but good things to say about the people we met that day in Osceola.

  16. They weren’t freeing slaves because they liked black people. The first Kansas constitution not only outlawed slavery, it also banned all African Americans from the state – whether they were slave or free. Freeing slaves was a military tactic intended to deprive the enemy of labor power.

    • EvilSpirit says:

      And the fact that Missouri was “the enemy” in the first place had nothing to do with slavery, huh?

      And apparently the militia that conducted the raid were the same people at the constitutional convention, because they were both Kansans.

      This line of reasoning seems far from ironclad.

    • hilde says:

      That’s only a partial truth.  That constitution was one of four proposed constitutions.  Another proposed constitution had a bill of rights that made no distinction between white men and black men, as well as provided basic civil rights for women.  Because of its reputation as a free state, many African Americans moved to Kansas, especially Lawrence, KS.  Many communities had integrated schools even in the nineteenth century.  KU had its first African American graduate in 1885. 

  17. OldBrownSquirrel says:

    Where I come from (a hypothermic, cyanotic, ergo blue state), I’m ill-accustomed to seeing Kansas under attack from conservatives.

  18. Mister44 says:

    Osceola is now known for making cheese. Good thing, it will go perfect with their whine.

    • Patty Squirell says:

      Hey respect the Osceola Cheese! Stop and eat some it is delish…. enjoying the comments though. I am from Wichita and went to MU in Columbia…lol.

  19. SamSam says:

    I was understanding this to be typical Southern/pro-Confederate blather at first, but then it threw me when he all of a sudden went completely certifiable:

    And the resolution calls on Missourians to stop spelling Kansas or KU with a capital letter, as “neither is a proper name or a proper place.”

    Can anyone even describe what’s going through his head there? You don’t have to sympathise with him, just… any clue at all as to what he’s saying?Maybe it’s a pun on “proper place,” like, it’s not a place where people are proper?

  20. RH says:

    Where do you think “John Brown” came from?  Sometimes referred  to as John Brown of Kansas.
    (Just look at a few of the band “Kansas” album covers).  These politically correct idiots that want teams to drop mascots because they “offend” someone is just a bunch of BS.  I wish some school would adopt a mascot of the middle finger, just to piss someone off.

  21. ernunnos says:

    Hey, I’m all for the right to fly the Confederate flag. If you really want to advertise that you feel some attachment to the side that wanted to own people, you go right ahead. But fair’s fair. You don’t get to say a word against those who want to fly a symbol that says, “Our forebears fought for the rights of oppressed people of another race.” Now that’s a past worth hanging on to, a tradition worth upholding.

    Jayhawks, Fuck Yeah!

  22. EvilSpirit says:

    Note that September of 1861 (the raid on Osceola) was late enough in the Missouri-Kansas border war that it was actually after it. It was during the Civil War itself.

  23. Jesse in Japan says:

    I’m from Lawrence, myself.

    Tell those racist, slave-owning Bushwhackers from Osceola that we will gladly raid their little den of iniquity town again if they didn’t get the point the first time.

    Kansas has always been proud to be a Free State and willing to fight for it.

  24. Nelson Geis says:

    New flash mob idea: Don the red leggings and head to Osceola and demand they spell Kansas with a capital K! Revoke our proper noun status, indeed! 

  25. Rani Self says:

    Rock Chalk Jayhawk, go K…U…

  26. Mister44 says:

    Argh – I had the perfect smart assed response and don’t think I hit ‘post’.  So it’s now too late but:

    Osceola is now known for its cheese, which goes perfect with their whine.

    ETA – oops – I guess I did post it earlier. Had my ‘find’ set to ‘match case’. Sorries.

  27. Mike Cat says:

    Offense garbage. Only in America do you have people celebrating genocide that was committed long ago. Choosing to still celebrate the icon and symbol means you are the enemy and not my friend.

  28. Oh, come on!  We all know that when it comes to Kansas and Missouri, Oklahoma beats them both.  Boomer!

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