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		<title>By: agthorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>agthorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The pen may be mightier than the sword...but the inkwell is even mightier than the pen.</description>
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		<title>By: Aeone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aeone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well to be fair they were clearly misrepresented. They didn&#039;t end the war with their vagina, this war was ended with all the proper organs: brains and heart. The women were actually allowed the power outside of their genitalia by their husband it was just misrepresented by the people making the video. So they did end a civil war, and they did it well, the only thing is whoever made the video didn&#039;t understand that it wasn&#039;t through withholding sex, it was through the women making an ultimatum and the men respecting the women&#039;s opinion. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well to be fair they were clearly misrepresented. They didn&#8217;t end the war with their vagina, this war was ended with all the proper organs: brains and heart. The women were actually allowed the power outside of their genitalia by their husband it was just misrepresented by the people making the video. So they did end a civil war, and they did it well, the only thing is whoever made the video didn&#8217;t understand that it wasn&#8217;t through withholding sex, it was through the women making an ultimatum and the men respecting the women&#8217;s opinion. </p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 15:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the clarification, that&#039;s a really important distinction</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the clarification, that&#8217;s a really important distinction</p>
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		<title>By: Lobster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lobster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 14:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shame this sort of thing is included in long-distance combat.  

And Aeone, you&#039;re right but look at the situation here.  History is crediting women with stopping a war without any hint of violence.  Even if their weapon of choice was different, isn&#039;t it a step in the right direction that this is even codified?  Besides, once you take the element of femininity out of it and turn it into a pair of completely equal and genderless entities, you run into one problem with the story:

&quot;No, YOU get out of MY house.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shame this sort of thing is included in long-distance combat.  </p>
<p>And Aeone, you&#8217;re right but look at the situation here.  History is crediting women with stopping a war without any hint of violence.  Even if their weapon of choice was different, isn&#8217;t it a step in the right direction that this is even codified?  Besides, once you take the element of femininity out of it and turn it into a pair of completely equal and genderless entities, you run into one problem with the story:</p>
<p>&#8220;No, YOU get out of MY house.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 14:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Madeleine Albright says of women diplomats, &quot;I think we&#039;re better about 
putting ourselves in the other guy&#039;s shoes.&quot; But she also debunks the 
idea that all problems would be solved if women ran the world: &quot;If you 
think that, you&#039;ve forgotten high school.&quot; 

Or, you could go to a typical playground, where &quot;women rule the roost.&quot; Plenty of selfishness, greed, aggression, and occasionally violence... on the part of the &quot;grown ups.&quot;

The thing about *human* nature, is that it&#039;s not defined by gender. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madeleine Albright says of women diplomats, &#8220;I think we&#8217;re better about<br />
putting ourselves in the other guy&#8217;s shoes.&#8221; But she also debunks the<br />
idea that all problems would be solved if women ran the world: &#8220;If you<br />
think that, you&#8217;ve forgotten high school.&#8221; </p>
<p>Or, you could go to a typical playground, where &#8220;women rule the roost.&#8221; Plenty of selfishness, greed, aggression, and occasionally violence&#8230; on the part of the &#8220;grown ups.&#8221;</p>
<p>The thing about *human* nature, is that it&#8217;s not defined by gender. </p>
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		<title>By: Gulliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gulliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 04:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very easy to understand. Thank you for the correct translation.</description>
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		<title>By: ill lich</title>
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		<dc:creator>ill lich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 02:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, they are some sneaky fuckers. . . uhhhh . . . &quot;non-fuckers.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, they are some sneaky fuckers. . . uhhhh . . . &#8220;non-fuckers.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Aeone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aeone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2011 20:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was not a &quot;SEX STRIKE&quot; the women threw their husbands out. They told their husbands, if you fight you will not be able to come back home. If you fight you will not have a family. They probably called it a &quot;sex strike&quot; in jest. 

Here&#039;s the literal translation of what the people said. 
Kandatu: We said to each other, we should tell our husbands do not go there and get yourself involved if you are not a part of it. If you want to go sure, go ahead, go there. It&#039;s your own choice but you will not be able to go home. I will not accept you. 
Kandatu&#039;s Husband: She said, if you do wrong then so be it, we&#039;re going to separate. 
Kamanza: If you do not agree with me, you will get none of my salary. 

This was not a &quot;sex strike.&quot; This was a group of women banding together to knock some sense into their husbands not using their powers of seduction but their powers of logic and reasoning. They did not withhold sex, they exercised their authority and told their husbands that their home, their life, their family, their money, will not tolerate their continued fighting. They gave them an ultimatum. 

It&#039;s almost like they couldn&#039;t accept that these women just put their foot down and bared their teeth, but they had to tell the rest of the world that seduction was the most powerful intent that drove the point home to these men. The women used their own authority and the men respected it. If that&#039;s so hard to understand from a general worldwide perspective, then it&#039;s damn sad. 

If women did that and men respected their opinion enough to listen, then yes I firmly believe wars would end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was not a &#8220;SEX STRIKE&#8221; the women threw their husbands out. They told their husbands, if you fight you will not be able to come back home. If you fight you will not have a family. They probably called it a &#8220;sex strike&#8221; in jest. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the literal translation of what the people said. <br />
Kandatu: We said to each other, we should tell our husbands do not go there and get yourself involved if you are not a part of it. If you want to go sure, go ahead, go there. It&#8217;s your own choice but you will not be able to go home. I will not accept you. <br />
Kandatu&#8217;s Husband: She said, if you do wrong then so be it, we&#8217;re going to separate. <br />
Kamanza: If you do not agree with me, you will get none of my salary. </p>
<p>This was not a &#8220;sex strike.&#8221; This was a group of women banding together to knock some sense into their husbands not using their powers of seduction but their powers of logic and reasoning. They did not withhold sex, they exercised their authority and told their husbands that their home, their life, their family, their money, will not tolerate their continued fighting. They gave them an ultimatum. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s almost like they couldn&#8217;t accept that these women just put their foot down and bared their teeth, but they had to tell the rest of the world that seduction was the most powerful intent that drove the point home to these men. The women used their own authority and the men respected it. If that&#8217;s so hard to understand from a general worldwide perspective, then it&#8217;s damn sad. </p>
<p>If women did that and men respected their opinion enough to listen, then yes I firmly believe wars would end.</p>
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		<title>By: Gulliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gulliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2011 09:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If the victor &quot;hated&quot; the enemy, there would have been no survivors.&lt;/blockquote&gt; This is where I suspect it would be useful to distinguish two different uses of the word hate. Like love, it can refer to an emotion and/or action(s) – actions which can be complimentary and/or cooperative (in the case of love), or derogatory and/or coercive (in the case of hate). So, in the broader sense, engaging in war out of envy could be considered an example of hate. But there are other reasons, like self-defense and defense of loved ones, for which people may go to war. That&#039;s where the utopian ideal breaks down. It only works if &lt;i&gt;everyone&lt;/i&gt; chooses love, and freewill* tends to put a kinker in that plan. This extends to all examples of coercion; crime would be nonexistent if no one committed crimes.

*used here in the sense of others making choices beyond one&#039;s own influence, as opposed to in the fuzzier metaphysical sense ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If the victor &#8220;hated&#8221; the enemy, there would have been no survivors.</p></blockquote>
<p> This is where I suspect it would be useful to distinguish two different uses of the word hate. Like love, it can refer to an emotion and/or action(s) – actions which can be complimentary and/or cooperative (in the case of love), or derogatory and/or coercive (in the case of hate). So, in the broader sense, engaging in war out of envy could be considered an example of hate. But there are other reasons, like self-defense and defense of loved ones, for which people may go to war. That&#8217;s where the utopian ideal breaks down. It only works if <i>everyone</i> chooses love, and freewill* tends to put a kinker in that plan. This extends to all examples of coercion; crime would be nonexistent if no one committed crimes.</p>
<p>*used here in the sense of others making choices beyond one&#8217;s own influence, as opposed to in the fuzzier metaphysical sense ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Floyd Brigdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Floyd Brigdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2011 09:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That exact comment was on the tip of my typing fingers.... LOL
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		<title>By: disillusion</title>
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		<dc:creator>disillusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2011 08:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except not all war is done out of hate, but rather envy.  Let&#039;s look at WW2 for example.  Japan didn&#039;t particularly attack the Chinese out of hate for them as much as they needed resources, and China had those resources.  Yes, there was a lot of tension between the two before, but the attack was not out of sheer hate.  That said, there were some wars that started out from grudges, but most wars in history stem from person B having what person A wants, not because person A thinks person B should die.  That&#039;s why even long ago people were kept as slaves rather than just killed off.  If the victor &quot;hated&quot; the enemy, there would have been no survivors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except not all war is done out of hate, but rather envy.  Let&#8217;s look at WW2 for example.  Japan didn&#8217;t particularly attack the Chinese out of hate for them as much as they needed resources, and China had those resources.  Yes, there was a lot of tension between the two before, but the attack was not out of sheer hate.  That said, there were some wars that started out from grudges, but most wars in history stem from person B having what person A wants, not because person A thinks person B should die.  That&#8217;s why even long ago people were kept as slaves rather than just killed off.  If the victor &#8220;hated&#8221; the enemy, there would have been no survivors.</p>
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		<title>By: nosehat</title>
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		<dc:creator>nosehat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2011 07:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you might be right.  I&#039;m no expert on this either.&lt;blockquote&gt;Now, I&#039;m not accusing hippie sloganeering efforts of being hugely savvy or educated, but... daaaaamn they would have to be oblivious. &lt;/blockquote&gt;Actually, I think interpreting ML,NW as &quot;Making love will make it harder to make war&quot; is far from oblivious.Think of it this way:  When you make love, you enter a relationship where the &quot;Other&quot;, the person who is not you, is seen as desirable, precious, beloved.  Making love &lt;i&gt;freely&lt;/i&gt; (in the hippie sense) opens you up to the habit of seeing the Other in this way.  War, on the other hand, is predicated on a world view that sees the Other as detestable, worthless, hated (the exact opposite of how you see other people when you make love).  So the logic here is, once you get in the habit of making love, it becomes very difficult if not impossible to see &quot;the Other&quot; in the objectifying way you need to to make war on them.This is Utopian thinking, sure, but it&#039;s still a pretty beautiful thought.  That&#039;s why I&#039;m kind of disappointed that the opposite seems to be true in this example:  &lt;i&gt;Not&lt;/i&gt; making love resulted in not making war.  To be clear, I&#039;m certainly not disappointed that this Lysistratic strategy worked in this case!  I just wish the hippie Utopian ideal had tested out better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you might be right.  I&#8217;m no expert on this either.<br />
<blockquote>Now, I&#8217;m not accusing hippie sloganeering efforts of being hugely savvy or educated, but&#8230; daaaaamn they would have to be oblivious. </p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, I think interpreting ML,NW as &#8220;Making love will make it harder to make war&#8221; is far from oblivious.Think of it this way:  When you make love, you enter a relationship where the &#8220;Other&#8221;, the person who is not you, is seen as desirable, precious, beloved.  Making love <i>freely</i> (in the hippie sense) opens you up to the habit of seeing the Other in this way.  War, on the other hand, is predicated on a world view that sees the Other as detestable, worthless, hated (the exact opposite of how you see other people when you make love).  So the logic here is, once you get in the habit of making love, it becomes very difficult if not impossible to see &#8220;the Other&#8221; in the objectifying way you need to to make war on them.This is Utopian thinking, sure, but it&#8217;s still a pretty beautiful thought.  That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m kind of disappointed that the opposite seems to be true in this example:  <i>Not</i> making love resulted in not making war.  To be clear, I&#8217;m certainly not disappointed that this Lysistratic strategy worked in this case!  I just wish the hippie Utopian ideal had tested out better.</p>
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		<title>By: Gulliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gulliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2011 06:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It&#039;d be a whole other ballgame. But I&#039;m afraid it&#039;d require some unlikely intellectual revolutions...&lt;/blockquote&gt; Regarding the matriarchal versus patriarchal debate, it seems to me we have a chicken an egg question. Which came first, testosterone or aggression? My inexpert hypothesis is that a civilization rooted in millennia of matriarchy would be different, but I&#039;m highly skeptical that it would be particularly more peaceful. I doubt aggression among our species is uniquely caused by male biology, i.e. that even an all-female human civilization (provided such were biologically feasible) would be devoid of coercion/resistance. I wonder what our post-human descendants will make of all this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It&#8217;d be a whole other ballgame. But I&#8217;m afraid it&#8217;d require some unlikely intellectual revolutions&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p> Regarding the matriarchal versus patriarchal debate, it seems to me we have a chicken an egg question. Which came first, testosterone or aggression? My inexpert hypothesis is that a civilization rooted in millennia of matriarchy would be different, but I&#8217;m highly skeptical that it would be particularly more peaceful. I doubt aggression among our species is uniquely caused by male biology, i.e. that even an all-female human civilization (provided such were biologically feasible) would be devoid of coercion/resistance. I wonder what our post-human descendants will make of all this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: blehtastic</title>
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		<dc:creator>blehtastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2011 06:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems a perfect time to call upon that wonderful little mantra we all know so well.

Correlation does not prove causation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems a perfect time to call upon that wonderful little mantra we all know so well.</p>
<p>Correlation does not prove causation.</p>
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		<title>By: Gulliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gulliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2011 06:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A cute little inversion-- the opposite of love isn&#039;t hate, it&#039;s war!&lt;/blockquote&gt; So here is a question. Let&#039;s say person A (let&#039;s call him John Germany) decides to invade the home of person B (let&#039;s call her Jane Poland), execute Jane&#039;s grandmother and conscript Jane&#039;s children into his army, and Jane fights back. They are both clearly at war. Does that then mean that they are both acting out of hate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A cute little inversion&#8211; the opposite of love isn&#8217;t hate, it&#8217;s war!</p></blockquote>
<p> So here is a question. Let&#8217;s say person A (let&#8217;s call him John Germany) decides to invade the home of person B (let&#8217;s call her Jane Poland), execute Jane&#8217;s grandmother and conscript Jane&#8217;s children into his army, and Jane fights back. They are both clearly at war. Does that then mean that they are both acting out of hate?</p>
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		<title>By: floraldeoderant</title>
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		<dc:creator>floraldeoderant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2011 05:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hrmmm. Idk if I agree with you that that&#039;s the concept behind ML,NW. But, since I wasn&#039;t alive then, it&#039;s entirely possible that I&#039;m wrong. I mean, the idea that soldiers and politicians don&#039;t have the opportunity to fck things is easily (even in the 60s, much less 70s) disproven. Now, I&#039;m not accusing hippie sloganeering efforts of being hugely savvy or educated, but... daaaaamn they would have to be oblivious. I always thought it was a bigger concept of love. A cute little inversion-- the opposite of love isn&#039;t hate, it&#039;s war! And then the &#039;make love&#039; got paired down in common usage so that teenage and 20-something hippies could get laid.In defense of the hippies (mainly because I think it would be cool for hippies to win a battle, accidentally, after most of them have grown up into suburban deskwarmers), maybe the idea was a time issue. &quot;If you&#039;re making war, you can&#039;t be making love. And which would you rather be doing? Make love, not war!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hrmmm. Idk if I agree with you that that&#8217;s the concept behind ML,NW. But, since I wasn&#8217;t alive then, it&#8217;s entirely possible that I&#8217;m wrong. I mean, the idea that soldiers and politicians don&#8217;t have the opportunity to fck things is easily (even in the 60s, much less 70s) disproven. Now, I&#8217;m not accusing hippie sloganeering efforts of being hugely savvy or educated, but&#8230; daaaaamn they would have to be oblivious. I always thought it was a bigger concept of love. A cute little inversion&#8211; the opposite of love isn&#8217;t hate, it&#8217;s war! And then the &#8216;make love&#8217; got paired down in common usage so that teenage and 20-something hippies could get laid.In defense of the hippies (mainly because I think it would be cool for hippies to win a battle, accidentally, after most of them have grown up into suburban deskwarmers), maybe the idea was a time issue. &#8220;If you&#8217;re making war, you can&#8217;t be making love. And which would you rather be doing? Make love, not war!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sofia Ortiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sofia Ortiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2011 02:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. All&#039;s fair in love and war.</description>
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		<title>By: disillusion</title>
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		<dc:creator>disillusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2011 02:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So how do you know for a fact that such a society would be considered &quot;matriarchal?&quot;  All I&#039;m gettting from what you want what would be considered a &quot;true&quot; communist society, as we have never really had one in existence, and in that case it would be neither a matriarchy or a patriarchy, as a true communist society has no one placed above anyone else.  There&#039;s a reason this has never happened, and it&#039;s called human nature.  Some people are born with the will and charisma to lead, while others can only or only wish to follow.  In a society of leaders and followers, there will always be someone above the rest, and while you&#039;ll sometimes get benevolent rulers, most rulers become corrupted by their power, be they male or female.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how do you know for a fact that such a society would be considered &#8220;matriarchal?&#8221;  All I&#8217;m gettting from what you want what would be considered a &#8220;true&#8221; communist society, as we have never really had one in existence, and in that case it would be neither a matriarchy or a patriarchy, as a true communist society has no one placed above anyone else.  There&#8217;s a reason this has never happened, and it&#8217;s called human nature.  Some people are born with the will and charisma to lead, while others can only or only wish to follow.  In a society of leaders and followers, there will always be someone above the rest, and while you&#8217;ll sometimes get benevolent rulers, most rulers become corrupted by their power, be they male or female.</p>
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		<title>By: TimRowledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>TimRowledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2011 02:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thatcher, Clark, Jagan, Tymoshenko, Meir, Gandhi, Brundtland, Aquino, Robertson, Sirleaf, Cresson, ... About 80 or so I think. 
Still a pathetic percentage but at least definitely non-zero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thatcher, Clark, Jagan, Tymoshenko, Meir, Gandhi, Brundtland, Aquino, Robertson, Sirleaf, Cresson, &#8230; About 80 or so I think.<br />
Still a pathetic percentage but at least definitely non-zero.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2011 02:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s fair to cite the odd female ruler as examples of a matriarchal system; I&#039;m pretty sure there hasn&#039;t been any such thing in the developed world, despite the occasional gender divergence of rulers in what has been almost exclusively a patriarchal array of civilisations.

It&#039;s not a question of an entirely all-male leadership defining patriarchy, but of the values and assumptions that define a civilisation&#039;s power stucture. Thus the occasional female ruler&#039;s failure to distinguish themselves from male rulers proves nothing, since they&#039;re operating under the same conditions and have very little scope to enact a matriarchal style of management over the top of a patriarchal system.

You should be able to recognise a matriarchal society quite readily; I imagine people wouldn&#039;t be locked up for punishment but actual rehabilitation, for example. A matriarchal society would have a radically different approach to very many aspects of the regulation of that society, enabling far less adversarial interactions than those a patriarchal mindset feels necessary. In short, such a society would value cooperation over competition and have as many nurturing aspects as we&#039;re used to seeing punitive ones.

It&#039;d be a whole other ballgame. But I&#039;m afraid it&#039;d require some unlikely intellectual revolutions...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s fair to cite the odd female ruler as examples of a matriarchal system; I&#8217;m pretty sure there hasn&#8217;t been any such thing in the developed world, despite the occasional gender divergence of rulers in what has been almost exclusively a patriarchal array of civilisations.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a question of an entirely all-male leadership defining patriarchy, but of the values and assumptions that define a civilisation&#8217;s power stucture. Thus the occasional female ruler&#8217;s failure to distinguish themselves from male rulers proves nothing, since they&#8217;re operating under the same conditions and have very little scope to enact a matriarchal style of management over the top of a patriarchal system.</p>
<p>You should be able to recognise a matriarchal society quite readily; I imagine people wouldn&#8217;t be locked up for punishment but actual rehabilitation, for example. A matriarchal society would have a radically different approach to very many aspects of the regulation of that society, enabling far less adversarial interactions than those a patriarchal mindset feels necessary. In short, such a society would value cooperation over competition and have as many nurturing aspects as we&#8217;re used to seeing punitive ones.</p>
<p>It&#8217;d be a whole other ballgame. But I&#8217;m afraid it&#8217;d require some unlikely intellectual revolutions&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: journey46</title>
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		<dc:creator>journey46</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2011 02:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adds new meaning to War Is Over (If You Want It)

John and Yoko. 1971</description>
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<p>John and Yoko. 1971</p>
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		<title>By: nosehat</title>
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		<dc:creator>nosehat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand it, the general idea behind &quot;Make Love, Not War&quot; was that war and aggression were a result of sexual repression and general uptightness.  If the advocates of war just relaxed and got laid, they would be happier, more at peace with themselves, and less likely to cause aggression.  Hence &quot;Free Love&quot;, &quot;Make Love, Not War,&quot; etc.  Having sex reduces aggression.

So this is the direct opposite:  &lt;i&gt;Not&lt;/i&gt; getting laid is causing these guys to reduce their aggression.  (So they can get laid.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it, the general idea behind &#8220;Make Love, Not War&#8221; was that war and aggression were a result of sexual repression and general uptightness.  If the advocates of war just relaxed and got laid, they would be happier, more at peace with themselves, and less likely to cause aggression.  Hence &#8220;Free Love&#8221;, &#8220;Make Love, Not War,&#8221; etc.  Having sex reduces aggression.</p>
<p>So this is the direct opposite:  <i>Not</i> getting laid is causing these guys to reduce their aggression.  (So they can get laid.)</p>
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		<title>By: parisiansnowflake</title>
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		<dc:creator>parisiansnowflake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are you talking about; that&#039;s exactly what this is! See now, they&#039;re making love, NOT war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are you talking about; that&#8217;s exactly what this is! See now, they&#8217;re making love, NOT war.</p>
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		<title>By: gedsudski</title>
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		<dc:creator>gedsudski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 22:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats the power of the pootie-tang!!</description>
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		<title>By: Gulliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gulliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 22:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And, to that I again say HOORAY! Love is SO SO good, and there is not even close to enough of it. FUCK war, forever. &lt;/blockquote&gt; I always thought it odd that love is so often regarded as the opposite of war. Love &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; wonderful, but surely it is not required to stop war. People hate one another frequently without going to war over it. Nor does going to war necessarily imply hate. If slaves revolt for freedom, it is not because they fail to love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And, to that I again say HOORAY! Love is SO SO good, and there is not even close to enough of it. FUCK war, forever. </p></blockquote>
<p> I always thought it odd that love is so often regarded as the opposite of war. Love <i>is</i> wonderful, but surely it is not required to stop war. People hate one another frequently without going to war over it. Nor does going to war necessarily imply hate. If slaves revolt for freedom, it is not because they fail to love.</p>
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		<title>By: Gulliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gulliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 22:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Wouldn&#039;t it be great if these women were allowed any power BESIDES having a vagina that they could have wielded? Because this kinda further entrenches the idea that sex is a thing that women give and men take, not a thing that peole do together &#039;cause they wanna. &lt;/blockquote&gt; Indeed. I&#039;d argue the world divides into two outlooks on sex, that it is a transaction and that it is an interaction. Even among individuals who regard it as an interaction, though, it could still be used for leverage. Call it Mutually Assured Celibacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be great if these women were allowed any power BESIDES having a vagina that they could have wielded? Because this kinda further entrenches the idea that sex is a thing that women give and men take, not a thing that peole do together &#8217;cause they wanna. </p></blockquote>
<p> Indeed. I&#8217;d argue the world divides into two outlooks on sex, that it is a transaction and that it is an interaction. Even among individuals who regard it as an interaction, though, it could still be used for leverage. Call it Mutually Assured Celibacy.</p>
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		<title>By: Gulliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gulliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 22:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I would prefer to see more people in power who work for the taxpaying voters they represent, and not their corporate minders, and I could care less what gender they are.&lt;/blockquote&gt; As the good doctress says, THIS x 1 million.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I would prefer to see more people in power who work for the taxpaying voters they represent, and not their corporate minders, and I could care less what gender they are.</p></blockquote>
<p> As the good doctress says, THIS x 1 million.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would prefer to see more people in power, who work for the taxpaying voters they represent and not their corporate minders, and I could care less what gender they are.</description>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps.  But I think an accord would quickly be reached.  Afterall, women would also be doing without, and while the &#039;fair sex&#039; are reputed sexual camels, we too like a good snog now and then, for the intimacy as much as the satisfaction.  Would negotiations drag on and on, do you think?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps.  But I think an accord would quickly be reached.  Afterall, women would also be doing without, and while the &#8216;fair sex&#8217; are reputed sexual camels, we too like a good snog now and then, for the intimacy as much as the satisfaction.  Would negotiations drag on and on, do you think?  </p>
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		<title>By: cmdrfire</title>
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		<dc:creator>cmdrfire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a note (and given that she was PM when I was a child), Margaret Thatcher was a powerful female ruler, fairly recent (see note about me being a child at the time - late eighties, early nineties), she declared war on at least one occasion (see the to-do regarding the Falklands), and was terrifyingly ruthless in government (&quot;The Lady will not be turned&quot; and all that).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note (and given that she was PM when I was a child), Margaret Thatcher was a powerful female ruler, fairly recent (see note about me being a child at the time &#8211; late eighties, early nineties), she declared war on at least one occasion (see the to-do regarding the Falklands), and was terrifyingly ruthless in government (&#8220;The Lady will not be turned&#8221; and all that).</p>
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