Comments on: Design fiction about cities divided by international borders http://boingboing.net/2011/09/19/design-fiction-about-cities-divided-by-international-borders.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Tue, 18 Jun 2013 05:35:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Madeline Ashby http://boingboing.net/2011/09/19/design-fiction-about-cities-divided-by-international-borders.html#comment-1218166 Madeline Ashby Tue, 20 Sep 2011 12:01:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=118329#comment-1218166 Eeek! I should have said "this week," NOT "next week."The show opens THIS Wednesday. I just defended my thesis in addition to pulling my contribution to this project together, so I'm a bit scattered. Apologies! Eeek! I should have said “this week,” NOT “next week.”The show opens THIS Wednesday. I just defended my thesis in addition to pulling my contribution to this project together, so I’m a bit scattered. Apologies!

]]> By: CH http://boingboing.net/2011/09/19/design-fiction-about-cities-divided-by-international-borders.html#comment-1218151 CH Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:09:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=118329#comment-1218151 Yes, I did see your point... but that's not how it counts. And to get technical... no city is on international waters (yes, I got what you meant, but that is a big technicality, really). Is any tiny town on a shore line a border city or even a port city... nope.... or at least growing up in such a city I sure never felt like it was a border city like it would have felt if the border were "just over there". Are cities with international airports border cities? And as any town can be accessed by an UFO, I guess that makes them all pan-galactic border cities. Oh... duh! I forgot the most classic example of a city divided by borders! Berlin! I bet one could make some really nice and poignant things with pre-divided, divided, and post-divided images. Yes, I did see your point… but that’s not how it counts. And to get technical… no city is on international waters (yes, I got what you meant, but that is a big technicality, really). Is any tiny town on a shore line a border city or even a port city… nope…. or at least growing up in such a city I sure never felt like it was a border city like it would have felt if the border were “just over there”. Are cities with international airports border cities? And as any town can be accessed by an UFO, I guess that makes them all pan-galactic border cities.

Oh… duh! I forgot the most classic example of a city divided by borders! Berlin! I bet one could make some really nice and poignant things with pre-divided, divided, and post-divided images.

]]> By: Erik van Tilborg http://boingboing.net/2011/09/19/design-fiction-about-cities-divided-by-international-borders.html#comment-1218146 Erik van Tilborg Tue, 20 Sep 2011 10:48:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=118329#comment-1218146 a nice border town example could be Baarle in the netherlands, that is divided by Belgian enclaves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baarle-Hertog a nice border town example could be Baarle in the netherlands, that is divided by Belgian enclaves:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baarle-Hertog

]]> By: retepslluerb http://boingboing.net/2011/09/19/design-fiction-about-cities-divided-by-international-borders.html#comment-1218113 retepslluerb Tue, 20 Sep 2011 08:06:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=118329#comment-1218113 Yet they are not *divided*.  A devided city - a divided anything - must have parts in area a and area b - if it's doesn't, it's not divided. Under a strict interpretation, it also has to be actually the *same* city (or at least started out as one city).Istanbul doesn't fulfill these requierements at all. Yet they are not *divided*.  A devided city – a divided anything – must have parts in area a and area b – if it’s doesn’t, it’s not divided. Under a strict interpretation, it also has to be actually the *same* city (or at least started out as one city).Istanbul doesn’t fulfill these requierements at all.

]]> By: Eugene B http://boingboing.net/2011/09/19/design-fiction-about-cities-divided-by-international-borders.html#comment-1218111 Eugene B Tue, 20 Sep 2011 07:54:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=118329#comment-1218111 Little known Nicosia can be considered a city divided by a border. Northern Cyprus was invaded by the Turks in the 70's, and half of Nicosia (Cypriot capital) is still held by them. This is a very big subject for locals, as the Turks are still using their might to 'bully' the legal southern government which is now drilling for oil off the southern coast. Little known Nicosia can be considered a city divided by a border. Northern Cyprus was invaded by the Turks in the 70′s, and half of Nicosia (Cypriot capital) is still held by them. This is a very big subject for locals, as the Turks are still using their might to ‘bully’ the legal southern government which is now drilling for oil off the southern coast.

]]> By: Daen de Leon http://boingboing.net/2011/09/19/design-fiction-about-cities-divided-by-international-borders.html#comment-1218088 Daen de Leon Tue, 20 Sep 2011 07:11:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=118329#comment-1218088 The Denmark/Germany border has some fun examples ... consider the wonderfully named villages of Rosenkranz or Fehle, which span the border. The Denmark/Germany border has some fun examples … consider the wonderfully named villages of Rosenkranz or Fehle, which span the border.

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2011/09/19/design-fiction-about-cities-divided-by-international-borders.html#comment-1218039 Antinous / Moderator Tue, 20 Sep 2011 05:21:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=118329#comment-1218039 But any city on international waters is inevitably subject to being treated as a border crossing because water, unlike land, is virtually all traversable. But any city on international waters is inevitably subject to being treated as a border crossing because water, unlike land, is virtually all traversable.

]]> By: CH http://boingboing.net/2011/09/19/design-fiction-about-cities-divided-by-international-borders.html#comment-1218036 CH Tue, 20 Sep 2011 05:13:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=118329#comment-1218036 Um, no.... that would be a port city. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_town) The text above says "cities divided by international borders". Istanbul is of course part in Europe and part in Asia... but I wouldn't call it divided. I would think of towns like Tornio/Haparanda, with one town on the Finnish side and the other on the Swedish. Um, no…. that would be a port city. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_town)

The text above says “cities divided by international borders”. Istanbul is of course part in Europe and part in Asia… but I wouldn’t call it divided. I would think of towns like Tornio/Haparanda, with one town on the Finnish side and the other on the Swedish.

]]> By: yragentman http://boingboing.net/2011/09/19/design-fiction-about-cities-divided-by-international-borders.html#comment-1218033 yragentman Tue, 20 Sep 2011 05:09:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=118329#comment-1218033 Sault Ste. Marie, established in 1668 at the outlet of Lake Superior as a trading post for trappers and explorers portaging around the rapids.Split into two cities, Michigan and Ontario, in by the Boundary Waters treaty in 1812.The Michigan side was a robust city through World War II, but over reliance on a Strategic Air Command airbase led to a shrinking employment base and prospect.Meanwhile, on the Canadian side major steel and paper industry made for long term growth until the 1980s when international competition undermined profitability. Sault Ste. Marie, established in 1668 at the outlet of Lake Superior as a trading post for trappers and explorers portaging around the rapids.Split into two cities, Michigan and Ontario, in by the Boundary Waters treaty in 1812.The Michigan side was a robust city through World War II, but over reliance on a Strategic Air Command airbase led to a shrinking employment base and prospect.Meanwhile, on the Canadian side major steel and paper industry made for long term growth until the 1980s when international competition undermined profitability.

]]> By: Tim Maly http://boingboing.net/2011/09/19/design-fiction-about-cities-divided-by-international-borders.html#comment-1218029 Tim Maly Tue, 20 Sep 2011 05:05:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=118329#comment-1218029 In April, the Turkish Prime Minister proposed splitting the city in two (along the continental divide). http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/18/istanbul-split-turkish-prime-minister Countries change. Borders move.  In April, the Turkish Prime Minister proposed splitting the city in two (along the continental divide). http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/18/istanbul-split-turkish-prime-minister

Countries change. Borders move. 

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2011/09/19/design-fiction-about-cities-divided-by-international-borders.html#comment-1218024 Antinous / Moderator Tue, 20 Sep 2011 04:54:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=118329#comment-1218024 Any city on international waters is a border city. Any city on international waters is a border city.

]]> By: Rich d'Rich http://boingboing.net/2011/09/19/design-fiction-about-cities-divided-by-international-borders.html#comment-1217997 Rich d'Rich Tue, 20 Sep 2011 04:00:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=118329#comment-1217997 Istanbul? That's a good 100 miles from the nearest international border (with Greece). Has been since 1352. Istanbul? That’s a good 100 miles from the nearest international border (with Greece). Has been since 1352.

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