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	<title>Comments on: 3D printed AR-15 parts challenge firearm&#160;regulation</title>
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		<title>By: MichaelZWilliamson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/09/20/3d-printed-ar-15-parts-challenge-firearm-regulation.html#comment-1222735</link>
		<dc:creator>MichaelZWilliamson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, the upper receivers of ARs are not regulated. The lower receiver is the numbered, regulated component.  It is typical to buy one lower, and several interchangeable upper assemblies.  Do a quick google rather than arguing the point, please.

It is perfectly legal to make your own lower or firearm for personal use, and is done all the time.

A very simple mill that runs off a PC will let anyone with a bit of computer knowledge convert the public domain schematics into a file and into a program.  So, yes, teenagers are quite capable of doing so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, the upper receivers of ARs are not regulated. The lower receiver is the numbered, regulated component.  It is typical to buy one lower, and several interchangeable upper assemblies.  Do a quick google rather than arguing the point, please.</p>
<p>It is perfectly legal to make your own lower or firearm for personal use, and is done all the time.</p>
<p>A very simple mill that runs off a PC will let anyone with a bit of computer knowledge convert the public domain schematics into a file and into a program.  So, yes, teenagers are quite capable of doing so.</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelZWilliamson</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelZWilliamson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In many countries, the barrels are regulated.  In others, it&#039;s the receiver that the barrel attaches to.  The AR is close to unique in that the lower receiver is the regulated component.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In many countries, the barrels are regulated.  In others, it&#8217;s the receiver that the barrel attaches to.  The AR is close to unique in that the lower receiver is the regulated component.</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelZWilliamson</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelZWilliamson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several manufacturers make plastic receivers, including Bushmaster and former Cavalry Arms.  I call BS on your calling BS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several manufacturers make plastic receivers, including Bushmaster and former Cavalry Arms.  I call BS on your calling BS.</p>
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		<title>By: Bored</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bored</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 14:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but on an AR the lower is the controlled part.</description>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 23:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DewiMorgan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/09/20/3d-printed-ar-15-parts-challenge-firearm-regulation.html#comment-1221766</link>
		<dc:creator>DewiMorgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 23:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, fair enough I guess - I find it strange that BB hasn&#039;t provided even the option of tree-style comments, but I suspect the reason is that their chosen commenting system makes that harder than it should be to implement.

I think they&#039;re still ironing out the kinks in it though, so who knows what the future will bring?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, fair enough I guess &#8211; I find it strange that BB hasn&#8217;t provided even the option of tree-style comments, but I suspect the reason is that their chosen commenting system makes that harder than it should be to implement.</p>
<p>I think they&#8217;re still ironing out the kinks in it though, so who knows what the future will bring?</p>
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		<title>By: hawk647</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/09/20/3d-printed-ar-15-parts-challenge-firearm-regulation.html#comment-1220937</link>
		<dc:creator>hawk647</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 09:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cav Arms SOLD a polymer lower.  Then they got raided by the ATF, it seems their manufacturing processes weren&#039;t in-line with what the ATF wanted.  Now they just sell their trauma kits.  http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/02/17/cavalry-arms-no-longer-selling-firearms/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cav Arms SOLD a polymer lower.  Then they got raided by the ATF, it seems their manufacturing processes weren&#8217;t in-line with what the ATF wanted.  Now they just sell their trauma kits.  <a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/02/17/cavalry-arms-no-longer-selling-firearms/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/02/17/cavalry-arms-no-longer-selling-firearms/</a></p>
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		<title>By: hawk647</title>
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		<dc:creator>hawk647</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 08:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t take it to a public range or you could end up like David Olofson.  Probably worse since you deliberately defied the National Firearms Act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t take it to a public range or you could end up like David Olofson.  Probably worse since you deliberately defied the National Firearms Act.</p>
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		<title>By: hawk647</title>
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		<dc:creator>hawk647</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 08:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever heard of Cavalry Arms?  They were making a plastic lower before they got fuxxored by the ATF.  Bushmaster also makes an AR with a polymer lower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever heard of Cavalry Arms?  They were making a plastic lower before they got fuxxored by the ATF.  Bushmaster also makes an AR with a polymer lower.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Lazar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Lazar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 02:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look up Plum Crazy AR15 lowers. Polymer lowers aren&#039;t just possible, they&#039;re actually built and sold</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look up Plum Crazy AR15 lowers. Polymer lowers aren&#8217;t just possible, they&#8217;re actually built and sold</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Sanders</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/09/20/3d-printed-ar-15-parts-challenge-firearm-regulation.html#comment-1220308</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Sanders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 21:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, there are some very strong plastics out there.  I&#039;ve used 3D plastic parts in several hi-stress manufacturing environments to test ideas.  None of them have been damaged or broken.  &quot;Plastic&quot; is a very generic description of a synthetic material.  It isn&#039;t like the plastic on the Nerf guns you can pick up at Target.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, there are some very strong plastics out there.  I&#8217;ve used 3D plastic parts in several hi-stress manufacturing environments to test ideas.  None of them have been damaged or broken.  &#8221;Plastic&#8221; is a very generic description of a synthetic material.  It isn&#8217;t like the plastic on the Nerf guns you can pick up at Target.  </p>
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		<title>By: John Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 17:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, nope, the lower receiver bears the serial number in the US and is the regulated part.  In Europe the barrel is the regulated part, along with the upper receiver in most cases, and so guns imported from Europe not specifically made for US markets will have a new separate serial number added by the importer that they must keep records of...the original serial numbers remain of course, but are not recorded because they are not on the correct parts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, nope, the lower receiver bears the serial number in the US and is the regulated part.  In Europe the barrel is the regulated part, along with the upper receiver in most cases, and so guns imported from Europe not specifically made for US markets will have a new separate serial number added by the importer that they must keep records of&#8230;the original serial numbers remain of course, but are not recorded because they are not on the correct parts.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon Larratt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon Larratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 17:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize if this has already been posted, but I&#039;ll state the obvious: If you go to Amazon you can find dozens of books with plans on building various expedient firearms -- everything from single shot pipe-gun shotguns to modern submachine guns. You can also find many places to download PDFs of gun plans all over the Net, as well as blueprints of existing time-tested guns.

It&#039;s well established that plans for weapons -- be they guns or be they nuclear bombs -- are legal. The issue comes when you build it or start selling the parts. So if Shapeways decides to print them it might be an issue, but distributing the CAD/CAM files is perfectly legal.

I&#039;ve often wondered whether it would be legal to sell a complete gun kit made out of hard jeweller&#039;s wax. Of course it would not be possible to shoot a bullet out of a wax gun, but you could convert that wax gun into metal (although home 3D printing negates that thought experiment I suppose)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize if this has already been posted, but I&#8217;ll state the obvious: If you go to Amazon you can find dozens of books with plans on building various expedient firearms &#8212; everything from single shot pipe-gun shotguns to modern submachine guns. You can also find many places to download PDFs of gun plans all over the Net, as well as blueprints of existing time-tested guns.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s well established that plans for weapons &#8212; be they guns or be they nuclear bombs &#8212; are legal. The issue comes when you build it or start selling the parts. So if Shapeways decides to print them it might be an issue, but distributing the CAD/CAM files is perfectly legal.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve often wondered whether it would be legal to sell a complete gun kit made out of hard jeweller&#8217;s wax. Of course it would not be possible to shoot a bullet out of a wax gun, but you could convert that wax gun into metal (although home 3D printing negates that thought experiment I suppose)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Smith</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/09/20/3d-printed-ar-15-parts-challenge-firearm-regulation.html#comment-1219768</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I blame Disqus for that. When there&#039;s a &quot;Reply&quot; button under a comment that opens a text box right there in context, it sure seems like that&#039;s where a reply will appear. So, all the folks (like me ;) who &quot;failed to read the existing comments&quot; get a pass because there&#039;s a reasonable expectation that, if somebody else had responded already, it&#039;d be right there in front of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I blame Disqus for that. When there&#8217;s a &#8220;Reply&#8221; button under a comment that opens a text box right there in context, it sure seems like that&#8217;s where a reply will appear. So, all the folks (like me ;) who &#8220;failed to read the existing comments&#8221; get a pass because there&#8217;s a reasonable expectation that, if somebody else had responded already, it&#8217;d be right there in front of them.</p>
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		<title>By: benenglish</title>
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		<dc:creator>benenglish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is this some kind of gun-nut thing?&quot;

Yes.  Yes it is.  The error he made was so egregious, so obvious, and so dangerous that the folks who know anything about it will react instantly to correct the situation.

That particular error is roughly analogous to a life-or-death safety problem on the firing line.  You stop everything, including reading further down the page, and correct it RIGHT NOW.

Example?

At a particular state championship pistol match some 30 years ago, the dog belonging to the range owner got loose and freaked out for whatever reason.  He ran straight downrange, into the line of fire of twenty competitors.  I was just a kid compared to the average competitor but I didn&#039;t hesitate.  In the middle of a firing string, with a season&#039;s worth of competition at risk for every person on the line, I yelled &quot;Cease fire!&quot; as loud as I could.  The guy calling the match jumped three feet out of his chair but, without hesitation or any understanding of the problem, he instantly echoed the correct emergency commands of &quot;Cease fire!  Cease fire and make the line safe.&quot;

Then he looked at me for an explanation which I didn&#039;t have to provide.  The owner started to yell cease fire, pointed at his dog running in front of all those pistols, and waited for the line officer to declare the line safe.  Once that was done, he received clearance to retrieve the animal.  (Fun to watch, btw, as the field of fire was about 200x100 meters and the poor guy had to run all over it to get his dog back while everyone in the sport stood at the line and watched.  Even the people who had had their concentration destroyed by the unscheduled cease fire eventually started laughing.)

Over the rest of the day several of the oldtimers stopped by to thank me for not hesitating and doing the right thing.  None of them wanted to be the one to shoot that dog and it was only by dismissing all other concerns and immediately taking corrective action was that sad outcome avoided.

It&#039;s the same way with the error about lowers vs. uppers.  That&#039;s such a huge mistake that anyone who enjoys shooting and doesn&#039;t want to see fellow hobbyists in jail will instantly dismiss with all other concerns and yell &quot;Cease fire!&quot; or, the equivalent in this case, post a correction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is this some kind of gun-nut thing?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes.  Yes it is.  The error he made was so egregious, so obvious, and so dangerous that the folks who know anything about it will react instantly to correct the situation.</p>
<p>That particular error is roughly analogous to a life-or-death safety problem on the firing line.  You stop everything, including reading further down the page, and correct it RIGHT NOW.</p>
<p>Example?</p>
<p>At a particular state championship pistol match some 30 years ago, the dog belonging to the range owner got loose and freaked out for whatever reason.  He ran straight downrange, into the line of fire of twenty competitors.  I was just a kid compared to the average competitor but I didn&#8217;t hesitate.  In the middle of a firing string, with a season&#8217;s worth of competition at risk for every person on the line, I yelled &#8220;Cease fire!&#8221; as loud as I could.  The guy calling the match jumped three feet out of his chair but, without hesitation or any understanding of the problem, he instantly echoed the correct emergency commands of &#8220;Cease fire!  Cease fire and make the line safe.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then he looked at me for an explanation which I didn&#8217;t have to provide.  The owner started to yell cease fire, pointed at his dog running in front of all those pistols, and waited for the line officer to declare the line safe.  Once that was done, he received clearance to retrieve the animal.  (Fun to watch, btw, as the field of fire was about 200&#215;100 meters and the poor guy had to run all over it to get his dog back while everyone in the sport stood at the line and watched.  Even the people who had had their concentration destroyed by the unscheduled cease fire eventually started laughing.)</p>
<p>Over the rest of the day several of the oldtimers stopped by to thank me for not hesitating and doing the right thing.  None of them wanted to be the one to shoot that dog and it was only by dismissing all other concerns and immediately taking corrective action was that sad outcome avoided.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same way with the error about lowers vs. uppers.  That&#8217;s such a huge mistake that anyone who enjoys shooting and doesn&#8217;t want to see fellow hobbyists in jail will instantly dismiss with all other concerns and yell &#8220;Cease fire!&#8221; or, the equivalent in this case, post a correction.</p>
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		<title>By: DewiMorgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>DewiMorgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 07:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may have been wrong about lower vs upper.
But at least you didn&#039;t fail to read the existing comments before you posted, like just about everyone else who&#039;s responded to you.
Well done. +1.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may have been wrong about lower vs upper.<br />
But at least you didn&#8217;t fail to read the existing comments before you posted, like just about everyone else who&#8217;s responded to you.<br />
Well done. +1.</p>
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		<title>By: DewiMorgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>DewiMorgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 06:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hrm - at first I had no idea what you were talking about, but reading my post, I can see two ways that what I wrote could be read. I guess I should be more careful.

&quot;Further to other answers which say there&#039;s no copyright/patent current on the AR15,&quot;
[&quot;Further to&quot; here means &quot;what I am about to say builds upon and agrees with&quot;. I can see that it could be read as &quot;in response to&quot;. I should have been clearer, though, that I was accepting that it was not licensed, and was taking the conversation on from that point, and exploring the licensing issues that are bound to crop up with newer weaponry (and other craftable things).]

&quot;it&#039;s only legal to make a gun for your own personal use if you&#039;re not a licensed gun manufacturer.&quot;
[Urgh. I&#039;m sorry, this was unforgivably poorly phrased: you could read this as &quot;it&#039;s only legal if you&#039;re unlicensed&quot;. Would have been better phrased as: &quot;if you&#039;re not a licensed gun manufacturer, then it&#039;s only legal to make a gun for your own personal use.&quot;]

If you are a licensed gun manufacturer, then yep, you&#039;ll probably need to also get licenses off the design companies.
[I was not responding here to the AR-15 issue, but to the possibility of 3D printing requiring license for newer patented designs, since to me this is the really interesting part of the discussion, and is going to become the stuff of nightmares soon enough if they start applying video and audio piracy law to craftables. I should have been clearer, once again.]

[&quot;If you&#039;re an unlicensed gun manufacturer/salesman then you&#039;re already breaking more serious laws, and likely won&#039;t care.&quot;]
This was the only sentence I wrote that I think was at least somewhat clear. Sorry again.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hrm &#8211; at first I had no idea what you were talking about, but reading my post, I can see two ways that what I wrote could be read. I guess I should be more careful.</p>
<p>&#8220;Further to other answers which say there&#8217;s no copyright/patent current on the AR15,&#8221;<br />
["Further to" here means "what I am about to say builds upon and agrees with". I can see that it could be read as "in response to". I should have been clearer, though, that I was accepting that it was not licensed, and was taking the conversation on from that point, and exploring the licensing issues that are bound to crop up with newer weaponry (and other craftable things).]</p>
<p>&#8220;it&#8217;s only legal to make a gun for your own personal use if you&#8217;re not a licensed gun manufacturer.&#8221;<br />
[Urgh. I'm sorry, this was unforgivably poorly phrased: you could read this as "it's only legal if you're unlicensed". Would have been better phrased as: "if you're not a licensed gun manufacturer, then it's only legal to make a gun for your own personal use."]</p>
<p>If you are a licensed gun manufacturer, then yep, you&#8217;ll probably need to also get licenses off the design companies.<br />
[I was not responding here to the AR-15 issue, but to the possibility of 3D printing requiring license for newer patented designs, since to me this is the really interesting part of the discussion, and is going to become the stuff of nightmares soon enough if they start applying video and audio piracy law to craftables. I should have been clearer, once again.]</p>
<p>["If you're an unlicensed gun manufacturer/salesman then you're already breaking more serious laws, and likely won't care."]<br />
This was the only sentence I wrote that I think was at least somewhat clear. Sorry again.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister44</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 06:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes - that has worked out great with the war on terror. *eye roll*</description>
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		<title>By: Oddball</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/09/20/3d-printed-ar-15-parts-challenge-firearm-regulation.html#comment-1219468</link>
		<dc:creator>Oddball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 05:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The patents on the original Colt AR-15 designs have long expired.  Colt still holds a trademark on the name &quot;AR-15.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The patents on the original Colt AR-15 designs have long expired.  Colt still holds a trademark on the name &#8220;AR-15.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Max Hodges</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/09/20/3d-printed-ar-15-parts-challenge-firearm-regulation.html#comment-1219463</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Hodges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 05:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to prevent a tragedy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to prevent a tragedy</p>
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		<title>By: Oddball</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/09/20/3d-printed-ar-15-parts-challenge-firearm-regulation.html#comment-1219464</link>
		<dc:creator>Oddball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 05:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You got that backwards. The lower is regulated, not the upper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You got that backwards. The lower is regulated, not the upper.</p>
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		<title>By: Oddball</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/09/20/3d-printed-ar-15-parts-challenge-firearm-regulation.html#comment-1219462</link>
		<dc:creator>Oddball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 05:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In most cases, the regulated part of the firearm is the receiver (which houses the chamber, the trigger assembly, and the magazine well for guns with detachable magazines).  The tricky bit with the AR-15 platform is that the receiver is actually two pieces (the upper and lower).  The upper houses the chamber and is attached to the barrel, while the lower has the rest of the mechanical bits.  One of the advantages of the AR platform is that a gun owner can easily swap out the upper and attached barrel to change the gun&#039;s barrel length, type of ammo used, etc without needing a gunsmith, but there is little reason to swap out one lower for another.  I believe the decision was made to designate the lower as the firearm in large part because of this.  The other reason is that the major differences between an AR-15 (semi-automatic) and an M-16 (fully automatic) is in the lower (different trigger group, some differences in the lower housing itself).

The AR-15 is kind of the Lego system of firearms, but just about every variation centers around basically the same lower receiver.  The same can not be held true of the upper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In most cases, the regulated part of the firearm is the receiver (which houses the chamber, the trigger assembly, and the magazine well for guns with detachable magazines).  The tricky bit with the AR-15 platform is that the receiver is actually two pieces (the upper and lower).  The upper houses the chamber and is attached to the barrel, while the lower has the rest of the mechanical bits.  One of the advantages of the AR platform is that a gun owner can easily swap out the upper and attached barrel to change the gun&#8217;s barrel length, type of ammo used, etc without needing a gunsmith, but there is little reason to swap out one lower for another.  I believe the decision was made to designate the lower as the firearm in large part because of this.  The other reason is that the major differences between an AR-15 (semi-automatic) and an M-16 (fully automatic) is in the lower (different trigger group, some differences in the lower housing itself).</p>
<p>The AR-15 is kind of the Lego system of firearms, but just about every variation centers around basically the same lower receiver.  The same can not be held true of the upper.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Gates</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/09/20/3d-printed-ar-15-parts-challenge-firearm-regulation.html#comment-1219448</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Gates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 05:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m amazed at how many people stopped reading the comment thread at #11. Is this some kind of gun-nut thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m amazed at how many people stopped reading the comment thread at #11. Is this some kind of gun-nut thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Crawford</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/09/20/3d-printed-ar-15-parts-challenge-firearm-regulation.html#comment-1219357</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 03:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gonna have to call you out on that considering i have a MP15 sitting next to my bed with a non polymer lower.</description>
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		<title>By: AbleBakerCharlie</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/09/20/3d-printed-ar-15-parts-challenge-firearm-regulation.html#comment-1219291</link>
		<dc:creator>AbleBakerCharlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 02:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it&#039;s about time. You can usually count on any new technology to make an outing as a tool of destruction or a tool for sex, at least at first. I&#039;d find it hard to believe no one was printing or CNCing guns already.

After that, however, the missed points abound. Sure, most printers print in plastic, and most gun parts prefer to be made out of metal. But some printers do work in metal and some plastics might be up to the job. The real question is what, if anything, is different about a world where there are boxes wholly indifferent to whether a spatula or a pistol come out when you open them?

I tend to suspect not. There are whole neighborhoods in the Phillipines that produce perfectly servicable SMGs, assault rifles, and pistols with hand tools, so while it certainly is easier to print a gun than file a gun, the capacity to produce firearms in your garage is fundamentally not new. One can imagine that a Hollywood plot where the underground is full of untraceable guns sold in the gingy alley behind Ernie&#039;s Replicators, but the fact is that said alley is already full of guns bought and paid for from factories of the usual type, and as much fun as I have with printers, (and as loathe as I am to needle my fellow makers) I tend to suspect that printers will fill more of the role of the often-dusty table saw than a replacement for the global manufactured goods supply chain. The status quo would seem to predominate.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it&#8217;s about time. You can usually count on any new technology to make an outing as a tool of destruction or a tool for sex, at least at first. I&#8217;d find it hard to believe no one was printing or CNCing guns already.</p>
<p>After that, however, the missed points abound. Sure, most printers print in plastic, and most gun parts prefer to be made out of metal. But some printers do work in metal and some plastics might be up to the job. The real question is what, if anything, is different about a world where there are boxes wholly indifferent to whether a spatula or a pistol come out when you open them?</p>
<p>I tend to suspect not. There are whole neighborhoods in the Phillipines that produce perfectly servicable SMGs, assault rifles, and pistols with hand tools, so while it certainly is easier to print a gun than file a gun, the capacity to produce firearms in your garage is fundamentally not new. One can imagine that a Hollywood plot where the underground is full of untraceable guns sold in the gingy alley behind Ernie&#8217;s Replicators, but the fact is that said alley is already full of guns bought and paid for from factories of the usual type, and as much fun as I have with printers, (and as loathe as I am to needle my fellow makers) I tend to suspect that printers will fill more of the role of the often-dusty table saw than a replacement for the global manufactured goods supply chain. The status quo would seem to predominate.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister44</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/09/20/3d-printed-ar-15-parts-challenge-firearm-regulation.html#comment-1219283</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 02:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are technically correct! The best kind of correct!

ETA - I enjoyed your dancing last night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are technically correct! The best kind of correct!</p>
<p>ETA &#8211; I enjoyed your dancing last night.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Baker</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/09/20/3d-printed-ar-15-parts-challenge-firearm-regulation.html#comment-1219258</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 01:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, the upper is NOT the firearm.   The lower is the registered and serialed part of the weapon and must be transfered by an ffl.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, the upper is NOT the firearm.   The lower is the registered and serialed part of the weapon and must be transfered by an ffl.  </p>
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		<title>By: Nathan C. Tresch</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/09/20/3d-printed-ar-15-parts-challenge-firearm-regulation.html#comment-1219197</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan C. Tresch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 00:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diamond Age, actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diamond Age, actually.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Marpet</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/09/20/3d-printed-ar-15-parts-challenge-firearm-regulation.html#comment-1219194</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Marpet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 00:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, the Lower is regulated, not the upper.  The Lower is the serial numbered part which you have to fill out a 4473 and pass a NICS check to buy.  BTW, there are Plum Crazy Firearms, which are completely polymer lowers.  I personally own a bushmaster AR pistol, which has a polymer lower.  And there is a thriving DIY gunsmithing community, which built lowers out of machined out blocks of HDPE. 

As well, the frame, or serialized, regulated part of a glock, is made of polymer.  There are metal springs and such mounted on the polymer, but the frame itself is polymer.  the barrel, slide, and recoil spring are metal.

I own a glock 22, glock 27, previously owned a 17, 30, and 19.  I own multiple AR&#039;s, rifles, pistols, and shotguns.  Feel free to ask for correct information.

Joshua</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, the Lower is regulated, not the upper.  The Lower is the serial numbered part which you have to fill out a 4473 and pass a NICS check to buy.  BTW, there are Plum Crazy Firearms, which are completely polymer lowers.  I personally own a bushmaster AR pistol, which has a polymer lower.  And there is a thriving DIY gunsmithing community, which built lowers out of machined out blocks of HDPE. </p>
<p>As well, the frame, or serialized, regulated part of a glock, is made of polymer.  There are metal springs and such mounted on the polymer, but the frame itself is polymer.  the barrel, slide, and recoil spring are metal.</p>
<p>I own a glock 22, glock 27, previously owned a 17, 30, and 19.  I own multiple AR&#8217;s, rifles, pistols, and shotguns.  Feel free to ask for correct information.</p>
<p>Joshua</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Severn</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/09/20/3d-printed-ar-15-parts-challenge-firearm-regulation.html#comment-1219122</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Severn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 23:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The LOWER RECEIVER is regulated.</description>
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