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	<title>Comments on: A thermite reaction on&#160;9/11?</title>
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		<title>By: Hanchau Dog</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/09/28/a-thermite-reaction-on-911.html#comment-1231866</link>
		<dc:creator>Hanchau Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 22:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;doctorate at CERN. In other words, they are serious guys&lt;/i&gt;

1)  A Ph.D in particle physics, whether theoretical or experimental, does not one a metallurgist make.

2)  CERN doesn&#039;t do psych analyses of people who work there.  If they did, lots of good scientists would be let go.

3)  Lots of good scientists who are experts in their own field have strong opinions about other fields about which they know nothing.  Just like every other human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>doctorate at CERN. In other words, they are serious guys</i></p>
<p>1)  A Ph.D in particle physics, whether theoretical or experimental, does not one a metallurgist make.</p>
<p>2)  CERN doesn&#8217;t do psych analyses of people who work there.  If they did, lots of good scientists would be let go.</p>
<p>3)  Lots of good scientists who are experts in their own field have strong opinions about other fields about which they know nothing.  Just like every other human.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Rucker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Rucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A thermite reaction sounds plausible to me - even if it wasn&#039;t a primary factor, maybe as a contributing factor.

Also, re: the truthers: Occam&#039;s Razor. If this was the US government, you just want to scare the crap out of the people, so collapsing the towers isn&#039;t necessarily what you want to do. So, the simplest way to do it is, you have the CIA call up your good old friends at Al-Qaeda, and pay them to fly some planes into the towers.

THAT is a conspiracy that begins to make sense. (Not saying it is the case, but it&#039;s not absurd like the theories the Truthers come up with.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A thermite reaction sounds plausible to me &#8211; even if it wasn&#8217;t a primary factor, maybe as a contributing factor.</p>
<p>Also, re: the truthers: Occam&#8217;s Razor. If this was the US government, you just want to scare the crap out of the people, so collapsing the towers isn&#8217;t necessarily what you want to do. So, the simplest way to do it is, you have the CIA call up your good old friends at Al-Qaeda, and pay them to fly some planes into the towers.</p>
<p>THAT is a conspiracy that begins to make sense. (Not saying it is the case, but it&#8217;s not absurd like the theories the Truthers come up with.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ernst Gruengast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ernst Gruengast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 07:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not necessarily the crux of the problem for the controlled demolition hypothesis as such, only the crux of the problem for why after 10 years it is no more convincing than it was when first postulated.
It is not necessarily &quot;an absolute logistical impossibility&quot;. Secret military projects are organised, paid for and executed for many years without any leaks, through classification and compartmentalisation.
Similarly, given the load transfer mechanisms involved in the WTC structures, one might postulate that explosives could be placed  exclusively on core structural members, therefore potentially in secret.
So not an impossibility, just an extraordinary endeavour which requires extraordinary evidence.
My only point is that, given that there is a group of Architects and Engineers advocating this as the most likely cause of collapse, one would expect after 10 years they would have fleshed out their scenario more thoroughly by now.
I find, for example, the case for some degree of official complicity as evidenced by national security questions (Able Danger, Norad stand-down, security drills, destruction of evidencem relationship to hi-jackers, involvement of pakistani, saudi and other intelligence agencies etc.) more compelling and thoroughly researched.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not necessarily the crux of the problem for the controlled demolition hypothesis as such, only the crux of the problem for why after 10 years it is no more convincing than it was when first postulated.<br />
It is not necessarily &#8220;an absolute logistical impossibility&#8221;. Secret military projects are organised, paid for and executed for many years without any leaks, through classification and compartmentalisation.<br />
Similarly, given the load transfer mechanisms involved in the WTC structures, one might postulate that explosives could be placed  exclusively on core structural members, therefore potentially in secret.<br />
So not an impossibility, just an extraordinary endeavour which requires extraordinary evidence.<br />
My only point is that, given that there is a group of Architects and Engineers advocating this as the most likely cause of collapse, one would expect after 10 years they would have fleshed out their scenario more thoroughly by now.<br />
I find, for example, the case for some degree of official complicity as evidenced by national security questions (Able Danger, Norad stand-down, security drills, destruction of evidencem relationship to hi-jackers, involvement of pakistani, saudi and other intelligence agencies etc.) more compelling and thoroughly researched.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;All the truthers seem to have the same exact number of &quot;likes&quot; on their comments.  It&#039;s almost like some sort of conspiracy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!  Actually, I could live with that.  It&#039;s the ones who flag every comment with which they disagree that are the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>All the truthers seem to have the same exact number of &#8220;likes&#8221; on their comments.  It&#8217;s almost like some sort of conspiracy.</p></blockquote>
<p>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!  Actually, I could live with that.  It&#8217;s the ones who flag every comment with which they disagree that are the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Genre Slur</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/09/28/a-thermite-reaction-on-911.html#comment-1229400</link>
		<dc:creator>Genre Slur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In one rant, you managed to wear a pope-hat AND a judge&#039;s robe. Impressive role playing sir. May I suggest trading the robe in for a wig? That would allow you to put a lab coat on, thereby pretending to be a three-fold authority. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In one rant, you managed to wear a pope-hat AND a judge&#8217;s robe. Impressive role playing sir. May I suggest trading the robe in for a wig? That would allow you to put a lab coat on, thereby pretending to be a three-fold authority. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used that word because mdhatter03 seems to think that it would be impossible to plan and execute such an attack without first tweaking the aircraft software, a claim that I think is horseshit. I&#039;ll rephrase:

If the planes involved in the 9/11 attacks performed any maneuvers that an unmodified 757 should not have been capable of doing, don&#039;t you think that thousands of pilots and aircraft engineers would have brought that to the public&#039;s attention?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used that word because mdhatter03 seems to think that it would be impossible to plan and execute such an attack without first tweaking the aircraft software, a claim that I think is horseshit. I&#8217;ll rephrase:</p>
<p>If the planes involved in the 9/11 attacks performed any maneuvers that an unmodified 757 should not have been capable of doing, don&#8217;t you think that thousands of pilots and aircraft engineers would have brought that to the public&#8217;s attention?</p>
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		<title>By: Asdfasdf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asdfasdf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Logistically&quot; impossible? That makes no sense at all. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Logistically&#8221; impossible? That makes no sense at all. </p>
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		<title>By: Strato Head</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/09/28/a-thermite-reaction-on-911.html#comment-1229359</link>
		<dc:creator>Strato Head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe that people are now trotting out the &quot;planes couldn&#039;t manuver like that&quot; horse shit... cuz I watched the second plane strike the second tower live... seems to me like the aircraft had no problem with those High G manuvers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe that people are now trotting out the &#8220;planes couldn&#8217;t manuver like that&#8221; horse shit&#8230; cuz I watched the second plane strike the second tower live&#8230; seems to me like the aircraft had no problem with those High G manuvers.</p>
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		<title>By: Asdfasdf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asdfasdf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you obviously know absolutely NOTHING about aircraft design. Thank you for playing. Please leave stage right and don&#039;t forget to pick up your consolation prize on the way out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you obviously know absolutely NOTHING about aircraft design. Thank you for playing. Please leave stage right and don&#8217;t forget to pick up your consolation prize on the way out.</p>
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		<title>By: Asdfasdf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asdfasdf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BINGO. You have hit the nail on the head in explaining why the &quot;truther&quot; movement has gone on so long. There are lots of people making lots of money off hysteria. There are lots of people like Alex Jones who are deranged attention whores as well as capitalists who know that without 9/11 to scream about they would never get more than 3 seconds of attention.

I fear for our country. All the &quot;truther&quot; books and tapes and lecture circuit stuff about 9/11 is happening largely because people have realized that this country contains so many gullible, hysterical fools that you can get rich off of selling them stuff. It started with the Y2K bug nuttiness; that proved that panic sells. From now on, nothing will ever happen in this country without a huge bunch of people rushing to whip up hysteria over it so they can make a buck from it. Every tragedy, every serious accident, will be followed by a wave of idiocy claiming that is the result of some deep, dark evil plot.

What the hell. Maybe we can take consolation in the idea that selling more books is good for the economy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BINGO. You have hit the nail on the head in explaining why the &#8220;truther&#8221; movement has gone on so long. There are lots of people making lots of money off hysteria. There are lots of people like Alex Jones who are deranged attention whores as well as capitalists who know that without 9/11 to scream about they would never get more than 3 seconds of attention.</p>
<p>I fear for our country. All the &#8220;truther&#8221; books and tapes and lecture circuit stuff about 9/11 is happening largely because people have realized that this country contains so many gullible, hysterical fools that you can get rich off of selling them stuff. It started with the Y2K bug nuttiness; that proved that panic sells. From now on, nothing will ever happen in this country without a huge bunch of people rushing to whip up hysteria over it so they can make a buck from it. Every tragedy, every serious accident, will be followed by a wave of idiocy claiming that is the result of some deep, dark evil plot.</p>
<p>What the hell. Maybe we can take consolation in the idea that selling more books is good for the economy.</p>
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		<title>By: ill lich</title>
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		<dc:creator>ill lich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When it comes to Occam&#039;s Razor, which is more complicated:  a reaction between molten aluminum and water that destroys an entire floor of a building, or a conspiracy involving the US government working with Al Quaeda where terrorists are not only tricked to their death by studying at flight schools and flying planes into buildings, but the conspirators also manage to sneak tons of explosives into three large occupied buildings and place the charges exactly right to bring them down on cue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it comes to Occam&#8217;s Razor, which is more complicated:  a reaction between molten aluminum and water that destroys an entire floor of a building, or a conspiracy involving the US government working with Al Quaeda where terrorists are not only tricked to their death by studying at flight schools and flying planes into buildings, but the conspirators also manage to sneak tons of explosives into three large occupied buildings and place the charges exactly right to bring them down on cue?</p>
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		<title>By: Asdfasdf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asdfasdf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And how many times have you tested core columns of the type you describe by dropping 200,000 tons of debris on them?  How much force would they be subjected to in the event of having 200,000 tons dropped on them at a velocity of 32 ft per second per second? Have you ever calculated that? Have you created a computer model that compares the known structural strength of the core columns against that much force?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how many times have you tested core columns of the type you describe by dropping 200,000 tons of debris on them?  How much force would they be subjected to in the event of having 200,000 tons dropped on them at a velocity of 32 ft per second per second? Have you ever calculated that? Have you created a computer model that compares the known structural strength of the core columns against that much force?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kinetic energy is proportional to mass times speed &lt;em&gt;squared&lt;/em&gt;.  1 tonne moving at 20 kmh has 4 times as much kinetic energy of 1 tonne moving at 10 kmh.  Not arguing, obviously, since this only reinforces your argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kinetic energy is proportional to mass times speed <em>squared</em>.  1 tonne moving at 20 kmh has 4 times as much kinetic energy of 1 tonne moving at 10 kmh.  Not arguing, obviously, since this only reinforces your argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Asdfasdf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asdfasdf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THANK YOU for being someone who has FINALLY picked up on the same thing I have long said was a contributing factor.  I have long wondered if the sway dampers were disabled by the aircraft impacts.  If they were just knocked a little off track, they could no longer compensate for winds.

I remember that when the Twin Towers were being designed, engineers calculated that without damping, the upper floors could be affected by winds enough to sway through an arc as much as 10 feet - enough to cause sea sickness. If the dampers were no longer functional, then wind would cause the towers to sway, and that would add torquing to the forces acting on supports which were being softened by the fire. 

Why have so few people ever cottoned onto this potentially vital clue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THANK YOU for being someone who has FINALLY picked up on the same thing I have long said was a contributing factor.  I have long wondered if the sway dampers were disabled by the aircraft impacts.  If they were just knocked a little off track, they could no longer compensate for winds.</p>
<p>I remember that when the Twin Towers were being designed, engineers calculated that without damping, the upper floors could be affected by winds enough to sway through an arc as much as 10 feet &#8211; enough to cause sea sickness. If the dampers were no longer functional, then wind would cause the towers to sway, and that would add torquing to the forces acting on supports which were being softened by the fire. </p>
<p>Why have so few people ever cottoned onto this potentially vital clue?</p>
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		<title>By: Asdfasdf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asdfasdf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the vast majority of of our population is composed of mouth-breathing morons. That&#039;s why there are so many &quot;truthers.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the vast majority of of our population is composed of mouth-breathing morons. That&#8217;s why there are so many &#8220;truthers.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Asdfasdf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asdfasdf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty sure that running a plane through a metal wall will scrape off a lot of the aluminum oxide and turn some of it into powder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure that running a plane through a metal wall will scrape off a lot of the aluminum oxide and turn some of it into powder.</p>
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		<title>By: Asdfasdf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asdfasdf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just the weight (mass), it&#039;s the shock and the sheer force applied in the collapse. Kinetic energy, not just weight. Kinetic energy is mass times speed. Prove it to yourself. Set a piece of 1/4 in plywood between 2 sawhorses, and put a bowling ball on it. If you place the ball on the plywood slowly and gently, the plywood holds. If you drop the bowling ball from 10 feet, it will smash through the plywood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just the weight (mass), it&#8217;s the shock and the sheer force applied in the collapse. Kinetic energy, not just weight. Kinetic energy is mass times speed. Prove it to yourself. Set a piece of 1/4 in plywood between 2 sawhorses, and put a bowling ball on it. If you place the ball on the plywood slowly and gently, the plywood holds. If you drop the bowling ball from 10 feet, it will smash through the plywood.</p>
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		<title>By: Asdfasdf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asdfasdf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t likely to burn hot...? Man, talk to any firefighter.  99% of all office stuff these days - furniture, carpets, upholstery, door facings, etc. - is made from petroleum derivatives. That stuff burns at a hellish temperature. Add in all the paper and the jet fuel and the clothing and fat on the bodies of the victims. Now add in the fact that the fire was being force-fed air...the updrafts coming off the fire in a vertical shaft caused a chimney effect that pulled air in from lower floors so the fire was being turbocharged. Insulation being knocked loose was just icing on the cake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t likely to burn hot&#8230;? Man, talk to any firefighter.  99% of all office stuff these days &#8211; furniture, carpets, upholstery, door facings, etc. &#8211; is made from petroleum derivatives. That stuff burns at a hellish temperature. Add in all the paper and the jet fuel and the clothing and fat on the bodies of the victims. Now add in the fact that the fire was being force-fed air&#8230;the updrafts coming off the fire in a vertical shaft caused a chimney effect that pulled air in from lower floors so the fire was being turbocharged. Insulation being knocked loose was just icing on the cake.</p>
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		<title>By: Asdfasdf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asdfasdf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Debris falling from the towers knocked out the support pillars at one corner - I have seen pictures of that. It also started dozens of fires in WTC7. They were fueled by tens of thousands of gallons of diesel fuel that was stored there for the emergency generators that were supposed to be used by the city&#039;s emergency command post, which was in WTC7 in one of the greatest displays of irony ever seen on this planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debris falling from the towers knocked out the support pillars at one corner &#8211; I have seen pictures of that. It also started dozens of fires in WTC7. They were fueled by tens of thousands of gallons of diesel fuel that was stored there for the emergency generators that were supposed to be used by the city&#8217;s emergency command post, which was in WTC7 in one of the greatest displays of irony ever seen on this planet.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Kukich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Kukich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fly-by-wire does not equal fly-by-NORAD.  I suggest you actually read those flight manuals of yours.

Somebody needs a bit more tinfoil in their hat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fly-by-wire does not equal fly-by-NORAD.  I suggest you actually read those flight manuals of yours.</p>
<p>Somebody needs a bit more tinfoil in their hat.</p>
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		<title>By: Asdfasdf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asdfasdf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly. I used to know a guy in the Air Force whose job was to recover classified electronics from F111 bombers shot down over North Vietnam. He and a security team would parachute (HALO) onto the crash sites and pull the black boxes, then use balloon extraction. I asked him why the AF didn&#039;t just put self-destruct charges on the equipment, and he said there was too great a chance of them malfunctioning and destroying the plane by accident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly. I used to know a guy in the Air Force whose job was to recover classified electronics from F111 bombers shot down over North Vietnam. He and a security team would parachute (HALO) onto the crash sites and pull the black boxes, then use balloon extraction. I asked him why the AF didn&#8217;t just put self-destruct charges on the equipment, and he said there was too great a chance of them malfunctioning and destroying the plane by accident.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Walsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are you talking about? Tear down the WTC in the early 60s? the building was opened in 1973.  </description>
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		<title>By: Michael Walsh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/09/28/a-thermite-reaction-on-911.html#comment-1229220</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This raises the main, Occam&#039;s Razor argument against many of the Truther theories. No other building in history matches this event.  No towering skyscrapers have ever been hit by a large jet carrying thousands of pounds of kerosene, then left to burn. What would have been questionable would have been if they didn&#039;t fall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This raises the main, Occam&#8217;s Razor argument against many of the Truther theories. No other building in history matches this event.  No towering skyscrapers have ever been hit by a large jet carrying thousands of pounds of kerosene, then left to burn. What would have been questionable would have been if they didn&#8217;t fall.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Walsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the NIST review of the collapse of the other WTC building, they address the thermite issue. If you wanted to plant enough thermite to take out one of the load columns, you&#039;d need 100 lbs of the stuff for each column, which seems more than somebody could pull off in the middle of the confusion that day. However, the theory here could explain the alleged traces of tthermite claimed at the disaster site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the NIST review of the collapse of the other WTC building, they address the thermite issue. If you wanted to plant enough thermite to take out one of the load columns, you&#8217;d need 100 lbs of the stuff for each column, which seems more than somebody could pull off in the middle of the confusion that day. However, the theory here could explain the alleged traces of tthermite claimed at the disaster site.</p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/09/28/a-thermite-reaction-on-911.html#comment-1229214</link>
		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What is impossible is for even a highly trained pilot to make the turns they did. The planes are engineered to not pull those G-forces.&lt;/blockquote&gt;There are a lot of people out there who are more familiar with the capabilities of a 757 than either you or me. Why haven&#039;t thousands of pilots and aircraft engineers come forward to explain that the 9/11 attacks were logistically impossible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What is impossible is for even a highly trained pilot to make the turns they did. The planes are engineered to not pull those G-forces.</p></blockquote>
<p>There are a lot of people out there who are more familiar with the capabilities of a 757 than either you or me. Why haven&#8217;t thousands of pilots and aircraft engineers come forward to explain that the 9/11 attacks were logistically impossible?</p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that happened either (still unnecessarily complicated and doesn&#039;t explain the phone calls from passengers on Flight 93, among other problems) but at least that scenario would be a conspiracy theory I could wrap my head around. 

That, however, is not the story most Truthers are pitching. Most believe there was some kind of controlled demolition, which in addition to being pretty much logistically impossible to pull off &lt;em&gt;doesn&#039;t even make logical sense.&lt;/em&gt; Why run a false flag operation to make it appear that the buildings were destroyed by something other than what actually took them down? Why not just bomb the buildings and &lt;em&gt;blame&lt;/em&gt; it on terrorists?

Ask questions, fine. Just try to ask ones that make some sense, and take the time to find out if &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.debunking911.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reputable people have already answered them. &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that happened either (still unnecessarily complicated and doesn&#8217;t explain the phone calls from passengers on Flight 93, among other problems) but at least that scenario would be a conspiracy theory I could wrap my head around. </p>
<p>That, however, is not the story most Truthers are pitching. Most believe there was some kind of controlled demolition, which in addition to being pretty much logistically impossible to pull off <em>doesn&#8217;t even make logical sense.</em> Why run a false flag operation to make it appear that the buildings were destroyed by something other than what actually took them down? Why not just bomb the buildings and <em>blame</em> it on terrorists?</p>
<p>Ask questions, fine. Just try to ask ones that make some sense, and take the time to find out if <a href="http://www.debunking911.com/" rel="nofollow">reputable people have already answered them. </a></p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 16:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the truthers seem to have the same exact number of &quot;likes&quot; on their comments.  It&#039;s almost like some sort of conspiracy.

BTW, you don&#039;t need molten aluminum -- or aluminum at all -- to start a thermite reaction.  (Non-molten aluminum powder can be used, and presumably under the right conditions, aluminum splinters too.)  There are magnesium, copper, and chromium thermite reactions as well, and according to wikipedia even Teflon (!) plus aluminum or magnesium can undergo one of these types of reactions.  What matters isn&#039;t the material or its state but the activation energy; for an aluminum/ferrous thermite reaction this can, according to the internet, be provided by igniting magnesium, or even with a propane torch.  

Wikipedia also mentions that if the reactants are pre-heated the thermite can explode instead of simply melting.  So if I can trust the information on the wikipedia page, then most of the objections to the thermite theory explored so far on this thread aren&#039;t very effective.

Agree with mdhatter03, there is no reason not to keep asking questions about this.   If the theory really is ludicrous then you should be able to demonstrate that it&#039;s ludicrous.  If it&#039;s not, then it&#039;s worth talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the truthers seem to have the same exact number of &#8220;likes&#8221; on their comments.  It&#8217;s almost like some sort of conspiracy.</p>
<p>BTW, you don&#8217;t need molten aluminum &#8212; or aluminum at all &#8212; to start a thermite reaction.  (Non-molten aluminum powder can be used, and presumably under the right conditions, aluminum splinters too.)  There are magnesium, copper, and chromium thermite reactions as well, and according to wikipedia even Teflon (!) plus aluminum or magnesium can undergo one of these types of reactions.  What matters isn&#8217;t the material or its state but the activation energy; for an aluminum/ferrous thermite reaction this can, according to the internet, be provided by igniting magnesium, or even with a propane torch.  </p>
<p>Wikipedia also mentions that if the reactants are pre-heated the thermite can explode instead of simply melting.  So if I can trust the information on the wikipedia page, then most of the objections to the thermite theory explored so far on this thread aren&#8217;t very effective.</p>
<p>Agree with mdhatter03, there is no reason not to keep asking questions about this.   If the theory really is ludicrous then you should be able to demonstrate that it&#8217;s ludicrous.  If it&#8217;s not, then it&#8217;s worth talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 16:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There really are some big unanswered questons that some people refuse to accept or acknowlege. 

I can tell, because every time I ask one, people refuse to accept or acknowledge them. There is the problem of kooks who are looking for some vast conspiracy who have no first hand knowledge of the situations and bad critical thinking skills. 

But there are also world class people putting their careers on the line asking these questions.

Don&#039;t be the NYT, only reporting on the kooky hippies in order to confirm your bias. Let people ask, don&#039;t challenge them so much, let the institutions that they are seeking the information from defend themselves.  

Again, I am not a conspiracy theorist. I am, however, reticent to believe a thing when the best argument I have heard to the contrary is &quot;you don&#039;t want to be seen as a kook, do you?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There really are some big unanswered questons that some people refuse to accept or acknowlege. </p>
<p>I can tell, because every time I ask one, people refuse to accept or acknowledge them. There is the problem of kooks who are looking for some vast conspiracy who have no first hand knowledge of the situations and bad critical thinking skills. </p>
<p>But there are also world class people putting their careers on the line asking these questions.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be the NYT, only reporting on the kooky hippies in order to confirm your bias. Let people ask, don&#8217;t challenge them so much, let the institutions that they are seeking the information from defend themselves.  </p>
<p>Again, I am not a conspiracy theorist. I am, however, reticent to believe a thing when the best argument I have heard to the contrary is &#8220;you don&#8217;t want to be seen as a kook, do you?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 16:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All it takes is 20 people to manage the planes and press the button on board, and one software person to rewrite the code, and one person to sent that to the planes, and one cyborg vice president who was never there. 

It&#039;s funny. I don&#039;t actually believe the conspiracy happened. But I know there is room for it to have happened. Nothing I have seen proves anything in either direction. 

So I say keep asking questions. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All it takes is 20 people to manage the planes and press the button on board, and one software person to rewrite the code, and one person to sent that to the planes, and one cyborg vice president who was never there. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny. I don&#8217;t actually believe the conspiracy happened. But I know there is room for it to have happened. Nothing I have seen proves anything in either direction. </p>
<p>So I say keep asking questions. </p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 16:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is impossible is for even a highly trained pilot to make the turns they did. The planes are engineered to not pull those G-forces.

Software is why. Any of the hijackers sopftware engineers? They&#039;d need one per plane. Just saying. 

I recommend you look into the capabilities of the 757. A good (late) friend of mine flew them in the 80&#039;s and 90&#039;s. First fly by wire jetliner.  I recall him marveling at being brought in for a landing by the computers, once he hit the button that turned control over to the computers on the ground, and amazed that NORAD could take control of the airplane in case of a hijacking or crew incapacitation.  Again, all he had to do was press a button to give them control.... that&#039;s when the planes can pull more than 1.5G. 

Don;t berate people for asking good questions. You say it;s a dumb question. I say I have the flight manuals. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is impossible is for even a highly trained pilot to make the turns they did. The planes are engineered to not pull those G-forces.</p>
<p>Software is why. Any of the hijackers sopftware engineers? They&#8217;d need one per plane. Just saying. </p>
<p>I recommend you look into the capabilities of the 757. A good (late) friend of mine flew them in the 80&#8242;s and 90&#8242;s. First fly by wire jetliner.  I recall him marveling at being brought in for a landing by the computers, once he hit the button that turned control over to the computers on the ground, and amazed that NORAD could take control of the airplane in case of a hijacking or crew incapacitation.  Again, all he had to do was press a button to give them control&#8230;. that&#8217;s when the planes can pull more than 1.5G. </p>
<p>Don;t berate people for asking good questions. You say it;s a dumb question. I say I have the flight manuals. </p>
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