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		<title>By: narddogz</title>
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		<dc:creator>narddogz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2011 05:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember FONDLY what computers were like before the Macintosh.  The ability to work a computer was a geeky badge of honor.  Our small rural school’s computer lab consisted of only two Vic-20s and two Apple IIEs.  The Apples were so popular that you had to reserve time to work on them.  Many hours were spent playing Lemonade Stand and Oregon Trail, as well as programming graphic demos in LORES and HIRES. I was a big Apple fan at the time and still have my very first floppy disk with the Apple sticker stuck on it.  A couple of years later, a good friend and myself spent a whole summer programming, setting up, debugging, and operating a homebrew BBS, implemented on a NEC PC-8801A, a CP/M system. I enjoyed the “clunkiness” aspect of computers at the time, learning commands like PR#6 and LOAD “*”,8,1.  And of course all those Hayes modem commands.  You had to pay your dues to operate a computer, at least a little bit, anyway.

When the Macintosh came out when I was in high school, I vividly remember being introduced to it in class… my first impressions were not very positive.  It has a small MONOCHROME monitor? No color graphics? Seriously??  How do you open it up to expand this thing?  You can’t?

But the clincher came when I was seated in class right to one of the stuck-up cheerleaders, who beforehand would have nothing to do with a computer,  as they were for “nerds” and “geeks”.  (BTW, being considered a &quot;nerd&quot; or &quot;geek&quot; in 1986 was NOT cool.).  The teacher instructed us to use the mouse and to point and click to open a file.  When I looked over, I saw that the cheerleader had of course successfully opened the file, and had a smug, satisfied look on her cute face like “Look at ME, I can work a COMPUTER!”  

It was at that moment that I formed the conclusion…I hate, hate HATE the Macintosh.  It is the computer for DUMB people!

A few years later, a computer that was years ahead of its time emerged- the Commodore Amiga.  I saved what I could and bought one as soon as possible.  This was cutting edge technology, and I loved it, but always wondered where the hell was Commodore Business Machines in supporting and promoting it.  Of course, in a few years CBM declared bankruptcy.

Looking back from 2011, it is evident that only having the best technology wasn’t good enough…what CBM needed was a visionary to focus, refine and guide it.   Someone like… well, Steve Jobs.Also in defense of him, of course the GUI had to happen sooner or later, and Apple was the one to introduce it.   And finally, PC users like myself can thank Apple for putting the competitive pressure on Microsoft to make Windows a “pretty good” experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember FONDLY what computers were like before the Macintosh.  The ability to work a computer was a geeky badge of honor.  Our small rural school’s computer lab consisted of only two Vic-20s and two Apple IIEs.  The Apples were so popular that you had to reserve time to work on them.  Many hours were spent playing Lemonade Stand and Oregon Trail, as well as programming graphic demos in LORES and HIRES. I was a big Apple fan at the time and still have my very first floppy disk with the Apple sticker stuck on it.  A couple of years later, a good friend and myself spent a whole summer programming, setting up, debugging, and operating a homebrew BBS, implemented on a NEC PC-8801A, a CP/M system. I enjoyed the “clunkiness” aspect of computers at the time, learning commands like PR#6 and LOAD “*”,8,1.  And of course all those Hayes modem commands.  You had to pay your dues to operate a computer, at least a little bit, anyway.</p>
<p>When the Macintosh came out when I was in high school, I vividly remember being introduced to it in class… my first impressions were not very positive.  It has a small MONOCHROME monitor? No color graphics? Seriously??  How do you open it up to expand this thing?  You can’t?</p>
<p>But the clincher came when I was seated in class right to one of the stuck-up cheerleaders, who beforehand would have nothing to do with a computer,  as they were for “nerds” and “geeks”.  (BTW, being considered a &#8220;nerd&#8221; or &#8220;geek&#8221; in 1986 was NOT cool.).  The teacher instructed us to use the mouse and to point and click to open a file.  When I looked over, I saw that the cheerleader had of course successfully opened the file, and had a smug, satisfied look on her cute face like “Look at ME, I can work a COMPUTER!”  </p>
<p>It was at that moment that I formed the conclusion…I hate, hate HATE the Macintosh.  It is the computer for DUMB people!</p>
<p>A few years later, a computer that was years ahead of its time emerged- the Commodore Amiga.  I saved what I could and bought one as soon as possible.  This was cutting edge technology, and I loved it, but always wondered where the hell was Commodore Business Machines in supporting and promoting it.  Of course, in a few years CBM declared bankruptcy.</p>
<p>Looking back from 2011, it is evident that only having the best technology wasn’t good enough…what CBM needed was a visionary to focus, refine and guide it.   Someone like… well, Steve Jobs.Also in defense of him, of course the GUI had to happen sooner or later, and Apple was the one to introduce it.   And finally, PC users like myself can thank Apple for putting the competitive pressure on Microsoft to make Windows a “pretty good” experience.</p>
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		<title>By: hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 18:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>spoken like a true idealogue!!</description>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/06/for-steve.html#comment-1236953</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 06:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Partially comedic, mostly sad.  ;D</description>
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		<title>By: Philip Shook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip Shook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 03:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the idea of living the iLife.  Now I live it everyday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea of living the iLife.  Now I live it everyday.</p>
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		<title>By: akputney</title>
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		<dc:creator>akputney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 00:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The left-handed mouser thing of Dad Putney was annoying for the first few years. Now I&#039;m ambimousterous!</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Lorenzen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Lorenzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 23:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if I&#039;m following you correctly...that wouldn&#039;t be comedic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if I&#8217;m following you correctly&#8230;that wouldn&#8217;t be comedic.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Putney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean Putney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 19:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, no. This isn&#039;t something we can implement on a user-account basis. You can, however, find the theme available on WordPress.com blogs as of today: http://en.blog.wordpress.com/2011/10/07/hero/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, no. This isn&#8217;t something we can implement on a user-account basis. You can, however, find the theme available on WordPress.com blogs as of today: http://en.blog.wordpress.com/2011/10/07/hero/</p>
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		<title>By: origilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>origilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 19:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Shettlesworrh&quot;  Let me guess, you sent this from your iPhone? ; )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Shettlesworrh&#8221;  Let me guess, you sent this from your iPhone? ; )</p>
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		<title>By: mkultra</title>
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		<dc:creator>mkultra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 17:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, as a kid at dawn of the Mac there weren&#039;t a lot of really cool games... but during the time Dean&#039;s talking about there were a lot of great games for the Mac: Pathways into Darkness, Marathon, Spectre... and that&#039;s just the 3D stuff.

Also, you realize Castle Wolfenstein was an Apple ][ game originally? We had 4 huge boxes of pirated floppies for Apple ][ games... man, I think it wasn&#039;t until I started getting free and cheap games on iOS that I ever had as many games again as we had back in those early days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, as a kid at dawn of the Mac there weren&#8217;t a lot of really cool games&#8230; but during the time Dean&#8217;s talking about there were a lot of great games for the Mac: Pathways into Darkness, Marathon, Spectre&#8230; and that&#8217;s just the 3D stuff.</p>
<p>Also, you realize Castle Wolfenstein was an Apple ][ game originally? We had 4 huge boxes of pirated floppies for Apple ][ games... man, I think it wasn't until I started getting free and cheap games on iOS that I ever had as many games again as we had back in those early days.</p>
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		<title>By: mkultra</title>
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		<dc:creator>mkultra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 17:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean, thanks for your memories. They brought back quite a few of my own. I guess I&#039;ll share them here... I&#039;ll try to keep it brief.

My parents bought an Apple ][+ as soon as they were available. Our local elementary school had shut down and the city wanted to bus us miles away to a rough neighborhood school... so they decided to try the home schooling thing. I was 4 or 5 I think, my siblings were older. The ][+ and the edu software on it was great, but trying to time share it between 3 kids and 1 parent (my dad was keyboard averse) proved impossible. They bought 3 more Apple ][e &#039;s, so we each had our own to work with, and that&#039;s kinda how I grew up.

(Side note: Early on with the ][+, it had a problem with an add-on memory card... my parents decided to just drive it up to Apple HQ in Cupertino and start banging on doors until someone could take a look at it. After talking to a few puzzled receptionists, we were directed to drive around the back of the building. A door opened up, and a very odd-looking guy with a very unfortunate haircut picked up the CPU out of our trunk and carried it just inside the door to an electronics bench and started pulling it apart while we all stood around and watched. &quot;Ah,&quot; he said &quot;Some of these boards don&#039;t fit perfectly in the slot and so there are errors. It&#039;ll take a minute to fix it.&quot; He pulled out a piece of sandpaper and sanded down a minute amount off the edge of the card. After fitting it back in and booting it up, he pronounced it fixed and we left. Many years later when I was head of the Mac user group, I related this story to an early Apple employee and he pointed out that the funny-looking guy was probably &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.folklore.org/ProjectView.py?name=Macintosh&amp;characters=Burrell%20Smith&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Burrell Smith.&lt;/a&gt;)

When the Mac came out, my mom almost bought one immediately, but held off until the 512k came out. Then there was the Mac Plus (20mb external SCSI HD!), the first Mac that could actually accomplish real work. I got an Apple IIgs that same year, but the die was cast: Macs were the future. My first bit of hardware teching was hauling the Plus down to the Mac User group meeting where someone showed me how to upgrade to 4MB RAM. (!!) We eventually upgraded to a Mac IIx (Color! Multitasking!), then IIfx. About the time of the IIx, occasional teching for money had turned into real design work for me, and I realized that&#039;s what I wanted to do with my life. I was 14. I got involved with the local Mac User Group... at its peak we had 200+ people showing up for monthly meetings, and 16-32 page newsletters going out every month as a 501c3 nonprofit.

I eventually went to college, moved out, and starting buying Macs with my own cash: PowerMac 6100, 8500, MDD G4, white iBook... 

Since then my Macs have all been at work, as after school I went into advertising... more Macs... then publishing... more Macs... and as I type this on a 27&quot; iMac as GM of a small publishing company, I reflect that my life would be very, very different if a couple guys both named Steve hadn&#039;t decided to do something crazy and start building a computer that a normal person could just buy, plug in and use.

Here&#039;s to The Rest Of Us.

Here&#039;s to Steve.

Thanks. For everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean, thanks for your memories. They brought back quite a few of my own. I guess I&#8217;ll share them here&#8230; I&#8217;ll try to keep it brief.</p>
<p>My parents bought an Apple ][+ as soon as they were available. Our local elementary school had shut down and the city wanted to bus us miles away to a rough neighborhood school... so they decided to try the home schooling thing. I was 4 or 5 I think, my siblings were older. The ][+ and the edu software on it was great, but trying to time share it between 3 kids and 1 parent (my dad was keyboard averse) proved impossible. They bought 3 more Apple ][e 's, so we each had our own to work with, and that's kinda how I grew up.</p>
<p>(Side note: Early on with the ][+, it had a problem with an add-on memory card... my parents decided to just drive it up to Apple HQ in Cupertino and start banging on doors until someone could take a look at it. After talking to a few puzzled receptionists, we were directed to drive around the back of the building. A door opened up, and a very odd-looking guy with a very unfortunate haircut picked up the CPU out of our trunk and carried it just inside the door to an electronics bench and started pulling it apart while we all stood around and watched. "Ah," he said "Some of these boards don't fit perfectly in the slot and so there are errors. It'll take a minute to fix it." He pulled out a piece of sandpaper and sanded down a minute amount off the edge of the card. After fitting it back in and booting it up, he pronounced it fixed and we left. Many years later when I was head of the Mac user group, I related this story to an early Apple employee and he pointed out that the funny-looking guy was probably <a href="http://www.folklore.org/ProjectView.py?name=Macintosh&amp;characters=Burrell%20Smith" rel="nofollow">Burrell Smith.</a>)</p>
<p>When the Mac came out, my mom almost bought one immediately, but held off until the 512k came out. Then there was the Mac Plus (20mb external SCSI HD!), the first Mac that could actually accomplish real work. I got an Apple IIgs that same year, but the die was cast: Macs were the future. My first bit of hardware teching was hauling the Plus down to the Mac User group meeting where someone showed me how to upgrade to 4MB RAM. (!!) We eventually upgraded to a Mac IIx (Color! Multitasking!), then IIfx. About the time of the IIx, occasional teching for money had turned into real design work for me, and I realized that&#8217;s what I wanted to do with my life. I was 14. I got involved with the local Mac User Group&#8230; at its peak we had 200+ people showing up for monthly meetings, and 16-32 page newsletters going out every month as a 501c3 nonprofit.</p>
<p>I eventually went to college, moved out, and starting buying Macs with my own cash: PowerMac 6100, 8500, MDD G4, white iBook&#8230; </p>
<p>Since then my Macs have all been at work, as after school I went into advertising&#8230; more Macs&#8230; then publishing&#8230; more Macs&#8230; and as I type this on a 27&#8243; iMac as GM of a small publishing company, I reflect that my life would be very, very different if a couple guys both named Steve hadn&#8217;t decided to do something crazy and start building a computer that a normal person could just buy, plug in and use.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s to The Rest Of Us.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s to Steve.</p>
<p>Thanks. For everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 16:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As usual, the people who don&#039;t &quot;get it&quot; are clearly PC users.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Many PC users don&#039;t remember what &quot;using a computer&quot; meant before Apple pushed the Graphic User Interface into the market (and Windows copied it). When I was a kid the ability to &quot;use a computer&quot; meant you were some kind of code geek, not someone who could point and click something on a desktop. Computers are so user-friendly now that admitting you don&#039;t know how to use one is to invite scorn or pity. Remember when McCain said he didn&#039;t use a computer? It made him look like an out-of-touch fossil.

A lot of the things we take for granted in any halfway decent system- a GUI, mouse, variable width typefaces, etc. all seem inevitable now. Maybe if Jobs hadn&#039;t brought them to the market someone else would have… but they didn&#039;t. He did. That&#039;s why Jobs&#039; contributions are worth remembering even if you buy competitors&#039; products.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As usual, the people who don&#8217;t &#8220;get it&#8221; are clearly PC users.</p></blockquote>
<p>Many PC users don&#8217;t remember what &#8220;using a computer&#8221; meant before Apple pushed the Graphic User Interface into the market (and Windows copied it). When I was a kid the ability to &#8220;use a computer&#8221; meant you were some kind of code geek, not someone who could point and click something on a desktop. Computers are so user-friendly now that admitting you don&#8217;t know how to use one is to invite scorn or pity. Remember when McCain said he didn&#8217;t use a computer? It made him look like an out-of-touch fossil.</p>
<p>A lot of the things we take for granted in any halfway decent system- a GUI, mouse, variable width typefaces, etc. all seem inevitable now. Maybe if Jobs hadn&#8217;t brought them to the market someone else would have… but they didn&#8217;t. He did. That&#8217;s why Jobs&#8217; contributions are worth remembering even if you buy competitors&#8217; products.</p>
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		<title>By: pita</title>
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		<dc:creator>pita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 16:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Dean.  As usual, the people who don&#039;t &quot;get it&quot; are clearly PC users.  Kudos to your parents for rearing you in a Mac environment where your imagination, creativity and productivity could develop and flourish without all the viruses, frustration and down-time that PC households just tolerate and live with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Dean.  As usual, the people who don&#8217;t &#8220;get it&#8221; are clearly PC users.  Kudos to your parents for rearing you in a Mac environment where your imagination, creativity and productivity could develop and flourish without all the viruses, frustration and down-time that PC households just tolerate and live with.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambiguity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ambiguity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 15:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Yesterday, Fred Shuttlesworth died.Nobody noticed. 

There were other distractions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Bit of a straw-man, really.

Driving home from work the other day I was listening to All Things Considered, and they broadcast a very long, detailed tribute to Shettlesworrh.  And as far as I can remember, I didn&#039;t hear any mention of Jobs on the drive.

So I&#039;m not really sure who the &quot;nobody&quot; is. Maybe your freinds didn&#039;t notice, but rest assured that many, many people did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yesterday, Fred Shuttlesworth died.Nobody noticed. </p>
<p>There were other distractions.</p></blockquote>
<p>Bit of a straw-man, really.</p>
<p>Driving home from work the other day I was listening to All Things Considered, and they broadcast a very long, detailed tribute to Shettlesworrh.  And as far as I can remember, I didn&#8217;t hear any mention of Jobs on the drive.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m not really sure who the &#8220;nobody&#8221; is. Maybe your freinds didn&#8217;t notice, but rest assured that many, many people did.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 13:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dean, can we get that System 6 theme back as an account preference?</description>
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		<title>By: webmonkees</title>
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		<dc:creator>webmonkees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 12:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Steve, for getting Undo into the mainstream.  Too bad it doesn&#039;t work outside of the computer. Yet.</description>
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		<title>By: vagabond2</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 12:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One decision that Jobs made could be considered one of the most critical in personal computing, and that was changing his mind about the way the Macintosh should operate. When it was first conceived by Jef Raskin, it was a far simpler computer to build but still requiring some skill to operate. When Jobs saw the Xerox GUI&#039;s, he said, &quot;I want that!&quot; And he got it, first in the very expensive Lisa ($10,000... in 1983 dollars!) followed by the must less expensive (though still pricey at $2495 in 1984 dollars). 
I wonder if the GUI in the form we know and love (or hate) would have even evolved for consumers at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One decision that Jobs made could be considered one of the most critical in personal computing, and that was changing his mind about the way the Macintosh should operate. When it was first conceived by Jef Raskin, it was a far simpler computer to build but still requiring some skill to operate. When Jobs saw the Xerox GUI&#8217;s, he said, &#8220;I want that!&#8221; And he got it, first in the very expensive Lisa ($10,000&#8230; in 1983 dollars!) followed by the must less expensive (though still pricey at $2495 in 1984 dollars). <br />
I wonder if the GUI in the form we know and love (or hate) would have even evolved for consumers at all.</p>
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		<title>By: awjt</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 11:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If repackaging crap as nectar is such an easy task, why aren&#039;t there a thousand Steve Jobses?  A hundred?  Another one?  That&#039;s because it wasn&#039;t just repackaged.  It was much more.

He wanted a PDA handheld device.  Had drawings of it and many discussions of it for many years, starting in the late 80&#039;s.  He saw it through from vision to production, incarnated in various forms: from Newton to the iPods, to the iPhone, to the iPad... and who the hell knows what&#039;s next.

Not only the devices themselves, but the assemblage and overall management of the teams that made them.  Starting with his work with Woz, through all the good years and bad years, to NeXT, and back to Apple, he shepherded the creation of amazing tools.  Could he solder a chip?  Probably not.  But did he know what he wanted and how to get there and get other people to help him get there?  Yes, and yes and yes.

The point is that no one person can take credit for all of it.  But the spearhead at the front, this guy Steve Jobs, who was always pushing these cute little devices at us for the last 35 years... he deserves most of that credit, if only for keeping the faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If repackaging crap as nectar is such an easy task, why aren&#8217;t there a thousand Steve Jobses?  A hundred?  Another one?  That&#8217;s because it wasn&#8217;t just repackaged.  It was much more.</p>
<p>He wanted a PDA handheld device.  Had drawings of it and many discussions of it for many years, starting in the late 80&#8242;s.  He saw it through from vision to production, incarnated in various forms: from Newton to the iPods, to the iPhone, to the iPad&#8230; and who the hell knows what&#8217;s next.</p>
<p>Not only the devices themselves, but the assemblage and overall management of the teams that made them.  Starting with his work with Woz, through all the good years and bad years, to NeXT, and back to Apple, he shepherded the creation of amazing tools.  Could he solder a chip?  Probably not.  But did he know what he wanted and how to get there and get other people to help him get there?  Yes, and yes and yes.</p>
<p>The point is that no one person can take credit for all of it.  But the spearhead at the front, this guy Steve Jobs, who was always pushing these cute little devices at us for the last 35 years&#8230; he deserves most of that credit, if only for keeping the faith.</p>
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		<title>By: peregrinus</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/06/for-steve.html#comment-1236167</link>
		<dc:creator>peregrinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 09:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jobs swayed the world into better more useable and useful technologies.

Imagine a PC only world - eeurgh.  Without Apple, even it the dark years, the PC would be years behind its current years-behind position.  Without the dangerous competition of Apple, the PC world would have squeezed our lemons until the pips squeaked.

Jobs&#039; insistence on excellent products had the impact of crystallising into reality and stores things that always stepped beyond the near-term development curve.  Not necessarily as transformational as say the Walkman, or transistor radios, but by gathering and aggregating into lovely-to-use things, he was the vanguard of development, and helped push forward the research that would drive that in the future.

Consider MP3 players - the first commercial version I recall was the Rio, circa ... 1998?  I remember thinking &quot;no, inadequate storage, but great idea, and it will clearly develop&quot;.  When Apple delivered the ipod and itunes, they delivered the intangible delivery of music in a complete and unassailable way.  That&#039;s what he did so well - and only an uncompromising drive for excellence can do that.

Everyone else would fold in front of investors and say &#039;whatever, we&#039;ll deliver half the cool stuff and ensure we safely meet the cashflow you need&#039;.  Apple were able to deliver the future, invest funds to do it without safety nets, and have become better and better at it over time (we must demand they continue).  They bewitch investors, but they know what they&#039;re doing.

Akin to scifi writers, they can absorb the current world of tech and understand the flows and desires, predict what will succeed, and give it to us in near-perfect form within the restrictions of the paradigm of technologies the best in the world can access.

Mac II was my first play, and i loved it.  Logan&#039;s Run!  At school, I sought out the Mac lab for my (non-tech) work - I could properly draw and edit graphs for dissertations.  Now my Mac world is bigger, and as I work daily with PCs, I constantly know and feel the difference.  Mac does what it says on the tin.  PC&#039;s don&#039;t.

SJ wasn&#039;t a saint (he was unkind to at least one person in his family), but in my mind he combines Andreas Pavel, Arthur C Clark and Turing.  To name a few.

Great man, sad goodbye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jobs swayed the world into better more useable and useful technologies.</p>
<p>Imagine a PC only world &#8211; eeurgh.  Without Apple, even it the dark years, the PC would be years behind its current years-behind position.  Without the dangerous competition of Apple, the PC world would have squeezed our lemons until the pips squeaked.</p>
<p>Jobs&#8217; insistence on excellent products had the impact of crystallising into reality and stores things that always stepped beyond the near-term development curve.  Not necessarily as transformational as say the Walkman, or transistor radios, but by gathering and aggregating into lovely-to-use things, he was the vanguard of development, and helped push forward the research that would drive that in the future.</p>
<p>Consider MP3 players &#8211; the first commercial version I recall was the Rio, circa &#8230; 1998?  I remember thinking &#8220;no, inadequate storage, but great idea, and it will clearly develop&#8221;.  When Apple delivered the ipod and itunes, they delivered the intangible delivery of music in a complete and unassailable way.  That&#8217;s what he did so well &#8211; and only an uncompromising drive for excellence can do that.</p>
<p>Everyone else would fold in front of investors and say &#8216;whatever, we&#8217;ll deliver half the cool stuff and ensure we safely meet the cashflow you need&#8217;.  Apple were able to deliver the future, invest funds to do it without safety nets, and have become better and better at it over time (we must demand they continue).  They bewitch investors, but they know what they&#8217;re doing.</p>
<p>Akin to scifi writers, they can absorb the current world of tech and understand the flows and desires, predict what will succeed, and give it to us in near-perfect form within the restrictions of the paradigm of technologies the best in the world can access.</p>
<p>Mac II was my first play, and i loved it.  Logan&#8217;s Run!  At school, I sought out the Mac lab for my (non-tech) work &#8211; I could properly draw and edit graphs for dissertations.  Now my Mac world is bigger, and as I work daily with PCs, I constantly know and feel the difference.  Mac does what it says on the tin.  PC&#8217;s don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>SJ wasn&#8217;t a saint (he was unkind to at least one person in his family), but in my mind he combines Andreas Pavel, Arthur C Clark and Turing.  To name a few.</p>
<p>Great man, sad goodbye.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Baker-Bates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Baker-Bates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 06:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. Mind you, I don&#039;t envy him as a kid having to play those lame Mac games. When I was his age, it was Castle Wolfenstein for me. I wouldn&#039;t have touched a Mac for that reason.</description>
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		<title>By: LavaLight</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/06/for-steve.html#comment-1236144</link>
		<dc:creator>LavaLight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 06:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
http://www.apple.com/environment/

http://www.apple.com/supplierresponsibility/</description>
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<p><a href="http://www.apple.com/supplierresponsibility/" rel="nofollow">http://www.apple.com/supplierresponsibility/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/06/for-steve.html#comment-1236141</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 06:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Wow, so if I&#039;m following this correctly...Jobs was secretly trying to save the world by selling us iThings and his arch-nemesis, Gates was secretly trying to destroy the world with lackluster operating systems. It all makes so much sense now. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
You followed me incorrectly to an almost comedic effect.  But more sad than funny, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Wow, so if I&#8217;m following this correctly&#8230;Jobs was secretly trying to save the world by selling us iThings and his arch-nemesis, Gates was secretly trying to destroy the world with lackluster operating systems. It all makes so much sense now. </p></blockquote>
<p>You followed me incorrectly to an almost comedic effect.  But more sad than funny, really.</p>
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		<title>By: trademark</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/06/for-steve.html#comment-1236132</link>
		<dc:creator>trademark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This experience is thoroughly American centric. In America and other nations there were alternatives. The Amiga was graphical for a very long time and a very capable device. The same kinds of applications existed on it.

I also don&#039;t appreciate everyone&#039;s bashing of the fundamental components of OSX. FreeBSD worked, KHTML worked, Mach worked. Yet no credit to those engineers? Furthermore there&#039;s no credit given to all of the bright souls who surrounded and enabled Steve. So if you&#039;re remembering Steve, remember HIM. Don&#039;t attribute to him the fruits of poor uncredited engineers. He didn&#039;t do that part, and you should know better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This experience is thoroughly American centric. In America and other nations there were alternatives. The Amiga was graphical for a very long time and a very capable device. The same kinds of applications existed on it.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t appreciate everyone&#8217;s bashing of the fundamental components of OSX. FreeBSD worked, KHTML worked, Mach worked. Yet no credit to those engineers? Furthermore there&#8217;s no credit given to all of the bright souls who surrounded and enabled Steve. So if you&#8217;re remembering Steve, remember HIM. Don&#8217;t attribute to him the fruits of poor uncredited engineers. He didn&#8217;t do that part, and you should know better.</p>
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		<title>By: E. Carter Wilsford</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/06/for-steve.html#comment-1236129</link>
		<dc:creator>E. Carter Wilsford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kid Pix on our family LCII got me into the world of design. I was so proud of the things I did with it. My mom was an on-and-off self employed graphic designer for my whole adolescence(and still today.) I remember learning lessons from her at 6-10 years old and trying to incorporate them into what I did.
I&#039;ll give you that I&#039;m not a great(or even good, just decent) graphic designer today, but the fundamentals instilled in me partially from this evolution of products makes me a huge asset and a (now, more than)credible critic to some of my best friends, the majority of which ARE graphic/interactive designers, in some form or another.
I have to give thanks to Steve Jobs for giving me the best 4th-12th grade visual projects of anyone in my school district and for making things that always JUST F***ING WORK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kid Pix on our family LCII got me into the world of design. I was so proud of the things I did with it. My mom was an on-and-off self employed graphic designer for my whole adolescence(and still today.) I remember learning lessons from her at 6-10 years old and trying to incorporate them into what I did.<br />
I&#8217;ll give you that I&#8217;m not a great(or even good, just decent) graphic designer today, but the fundamentals instilled in me partially from this evolution of products makes me a huge asset and a (now, more than)credible critic to some of my best friends, the majority of which ARE graphic/interactive designers, in some form or another.<br />
I have to give thanks to Steve Jobs for giving me the best 4th-12th grade visual projects of anyone in my school district and for making things that always JUST F***ING WORK.</p>
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		<title>By: funnyandspicy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/06/for-steve.html#comment-1236128</link>
		<dc:creator>funnyandspicy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing your story. Here is my tribute to Steve’s success (Think Differently). R.I.P., Steve Jobs. http://goo.gl/Tahxq</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing your story. Here is my tribute to Steve’s success (Think Differently). R.I.P., Steve Jobs. http://goo.gl/Tahxq</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/06/for-steve.html#comment-1236121</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 04:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stay on topic and compose yourselves, please.</description>
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		<title>By: kuzkumon</title>
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		<dc:creator>kuzkumon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 04:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shufflepuck Café! I have not thought about that in years..I used to play that on my brothers Mac when he brought it back from college. Apple was just a little ahead of everyone else in technology, and I hope this will always be, as a friend of my said &quot;Thanks
 Steve Jobs. You freed the world from a MS Dos hell and you took 
something meant to be pragmatic and proved it could be whimsical&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shufflepuck Café! I have not thought about that in years..I used to play that on my brothers Mac when he brought it back from college. Apple was just a little ahead of everyone else in technology, and I hope this will always be, as a friend of my said &#8220;Thanks<br />
 Steve Jobs. You freed the world from a MS Dos hell and you took<br />
something meant to be pragmatic and proved it could be whimsical&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Tucker GOP Delenda Est!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Tucker GOP Delenda Est!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 04:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After you carefully and thoroughly investigated the pay scales, working conditions, toilet paper quality and cafeteria selections at all the OEM factories that make  Android phones, right?

RIGHT?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After you carefully and thoroughly investigated the pay scales, working conditions, toilet paper quality and cafeteria selections at all the OEM factories that make  Android phones, right?</p>
<p>RIGHT?</p>
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		<title>By: hogan</title>
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		<dc:creator>hogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 04:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks dean for your post. i really enjoyed reading it.
in some ways my experience has been similar... except i am twice your age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks dean for your post. i really enjoyed reading it.<br />
in some ways my experience has been similar&#8230; except i am twice your age.</p>
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		<title>By: Knocturn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knocturn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 04:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope the Woz gets this kind of attention when he dies. It&#039;ll be sad to see him go.</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Lorenzen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Lorenzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 04:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, so if I&#039;m following this correctly...Jobs was secretly trying to save the world by selling us iThings and his arch-nemesis, Gates was secretly trying to destroy the world with lackluster operating systems. It all makes so much sense now. 

Is this truly the evolution of fanboyism? Do the protagonists get elevated to GOD (or demon) status upon death?

Gates is not trying to kill you. Jobs didn&#039;t SECRETLY have your best interest at heart. They were both just trying to sell shit the best way they knew how. Life goes on, folks. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, so if I&#8217;m following this correctly&#8230;Jobs was secretly trying to save the world by selling us iThings and his arch-nemesis, Gates was secretly trying to destroy the world with lackluster operating systems. It all makes so much sense now. </p>
<p>Is this truly the evolution of fanboyism? Do the protagonists get elevated to GOD (or demon) status upon death?</p>
<p>Gates is not trying to kill you. Jobs didn&#8217;t SECRETLY have your best interest at heart. They were both just trying to sell shit the best way they knew how. Life goes on, folks. :)</p>
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