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	<title>Comments on: Interview with early Apple employee Daniel&#160;Kottke</title>
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		<title>By: paul j ostrowski</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/06/interview-with-early-apple-employee-daniel-kottke.html#comment-1239995</link>
		<dc:creator>paul j ostrowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>  sure...ZZzzzz ...WAKE  UP ! (read &#039;be here now&#039; )     never mind...go    back     to sleep</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>  sure&#8230;ZZzzzz &#8230;WAKE  UP ! (read &#8216;be here now&#8217; )     never mind&#8230;go    back     to sleep</p>
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		<title>By: paul j ostrowski</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/06/interview-with-early-apple-employee-daniel-kottke.html#comment-1239977</link>
		<dc:creator>paul j ostrowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 20:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>geee...wish I had medical insurance..but then, I live in the&#039; good old&#039;  u.  s.  a. and don&#039;t have a job..but --got a disease--richest country in the world-? -in what sense ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>geee&#8230;wish I had medical insurance..but then, I live in the&#8217; good old&#8217;  u.  s.  a. and don&#8217;t have a job..but &#8211;got a disease&#8211;richest country in the world-? -in what sense ?</p>
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		<title>By: paul j ostrowski</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/06/interview-with-early-apple-employee-daniel-kottke.html#comment-1239968</link>
		<dc:creator>paul j ostrowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 20:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>geee..wish I had medical insurance..but then, I live in the &#039;good old&#039;  u.  s.  a. and don&#039;t have a job--...but I got a disease !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>geee..wish I had medical insurance..but then, I live in the &#8216;good old&#8217;  u.  s.  a. and don&#8217;t have a job&#8211;&#8230;but I got a disease !</p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/06/interview-with-early-apple-employee-daniel-kottke.html#comment-1237429</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2011 00:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He had a rare mild form&lt;/blockquote&gt;He had a rare form of pancreatic cancer that typically has a much longer survival rate, but it&#039;s definitely not &quot;mild&quot; and highly curable.  Many die in 1-3 years while milder forms of this rare form are lucky if they live 5-10 years.

If you get catch it early and remove it right away, you may live longer than 10 years (once again, if lucky).

From what I understand, Steve had a more severe form of this and it is, indeed, remarkable he lived for as long as he did and remained quite active during this time as well.

Was it a costly mistake to not remove it surgically and would he still be here if he did?  Probably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He had a rare mild form</p></blockquote>
<p>He had a rare form of pancreatic cancer that typically has a much longer survival rate, but it&#8217;s definitely not &#8220;mild&#8221; and highly curable.  Many die in 1-3 years while milder forms of this rare form are lucky if they live 5-10 years.</p>
<p>If you get catch it early and remove it right away, you may live longer than 10 years (once again, if lucky).</p>
<p>From what I understand, Steve had a more severe form of this and it is, indeed, remarkable he lived for as long as he did and remained quite active during this time as well.</p>
<p>Was it a costly mistake to not remove it surgically and would he still be here if he did?  Probably.</p>
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		<title>By: sebulba</title>
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		<dc:creator>sebulba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 23:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs#Health

Its general knowledge.
He had a rare mild form, but for 9 months he had alternative medicine treatment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islet_cell_carcinoma
Very sad story. It&#039;s sad that cancer is still deadly...</description>
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<p>Its general knowledge.<br />
He had a rare mild form, but for 9 months he had alternative medicine treatment.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islet_cell_carcinoma" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islet_cell_carcinoma</a><br />
Very sad story. It&#8217;s sad that cancer is still deadly&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/06/interview-with-early-apple-employee-daniel-kottke.html#comment-1237341</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 21:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You just presented some guy&#039;s skepticism blog as medical evidence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You just presented some guy&#8217;s skepticism blog as medical evidence?</p>
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		<title>By: sebulba</title>
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		<dc:creator>sebulba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 16:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, with this kind of cancer you live 10+ years.

It was very rare kind of pancreatic cancer, highly curable.

http://www.skeptical-science.com/critical-thinking/steve-jobs-alternative-medicine/ </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, with this kind of cancer you live 10+ years.</p>
<p>It was very rare kind of pancreatic cancer, highly curable.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.skeptical-science.com/critical-thinking/steve-jobs-alternative-medicine/" rel="nofollow">http://www.skeptical-science.com/critical-thinking/steve-jobs-alternative-medicine/</a> </p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/06/interview-with-early-apple-employee-daniel-kottke.html#comment-1236992</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 08:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surviving seven years with pancreatic CA is prodigious.  Plus, I&#039;m not sure that the &#039;stress makes it worse&#039; theory is valid.  We used to tell people with injuries to take it easy, but it turns out that people who get back into their routine quickly and vigorously heal faster.  Waiting for death might make it happen sooner than throwing yourself into your work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surviving seven years with pancreatic CA is prodigious.  Plus, I&#8217;m not sure that the &#8216;stress makes it worse&#8217; theory is valid.  We used to tell people with injuries to take it easy, but it turns out that people who get back into their routine quickly and vigorously heal faster.  Waiting for death might make it happen sooner than throwing yourself into your work.</p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/06/interview-with-early-apple-employee-daniel-kottke.html#comment-1236969</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 07:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I continue to think the stress that Steve Jobs put on himself certainly fed his cancer.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Actually, from what I understand Steve lasted longer than most people who had that particular rare form of cancer.

Jobs lived more than seven years with his neuroendocrine pancreatic cancer while many die much sooner than that... much less run a giant tech company, show up to most (if not all?) of the board meetings and even show up to to the keynotes, etc.

So, it would appear he handled the stress very well.  Especially considering how massively painful and crippling the disease is.  If you&#039;ve ever just even had a mild pancreatitis, you&#039;d know what living hell feels like.  I&#039;ve never had it myself, but a loved one has had it and it&#039;s a living nightmare of pain.

I don&#039;t think stress fed his cancer, I think Steve&#039;s amazing resolve kept it at bay for so long.

Ok, everyone... now let me know I&#039;m brainwashed and worship Steve like a God.  I don&#039;t care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I continue to think the stress that Steve Jobs put on himself certainly fed his cancer.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, from what I understand Steve lasted longer than most people who had that particular rare form of cancer.</p>
<p>Jobs lived more than seven years with his neuroendocrine pancreatic cancer while many die much sooner than that&#8230; much less run a giant tech company, show up to most (if not all?) of the board meetings and even show up to to the keynotes, etc.</p>
<p>So, it would appear he handled the stress very well.  Especially considering how massively painful and crippling the disease is.  If you&#8217;ve ever just even had a mild pancreatitis, you&#8217;d know what living hell feels like.  I&#8217;ve never had it myself, but a loved one has had it and it&#8217;s a living nightmare of pain.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think stress fed his cancer, I think Steve&#8217;s amazing resolve kept it at bay for so long.</p>
<p>Ok, everyone&#8230; now let me know I&#8217;m brainwashed and worship Steve like a God.  I don&#8217;t care.</p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/06/interview-with-early-apple-employee-daniel-kottke.html#comment-1236968</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 07:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;diatribe about psychedelics&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;m not sure &lt;i&gt;diatribe&lt;/i&gt; means what you think it does.

But, anyway, to each his own... I loved that part and found it really interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>diatribe about psychedelics</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure <i>diatribe</i> means what you think it does.</p>
<p>But, anyway, to each his own&#8230; I loved that part and found it really interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: petsounds</title>
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		<dc:creator>petsounds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 19:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, I wasn&#039;t aware of his involvement in Breakout, and wasn&#039;t aware that Jobs was technical enough to design circuit boards. Did Jobs also write prototype assembly code, or was that all done by Woz? 

It also sounds like the classic manager-programmer dynamic: &quot;The original deadline was met after Wozniak did not sleep for four days straight. In the end 50 chips were removed from Jobs&#039; original design. This equated to a US$5,000 bonus, which Jobs kept secret from Wozniak, instead only paying him $375.&quot; Kind of a dick move, especially considering the bonus was all based on Woz&#039;s hard work. With inflation, that was a $27,000 bonus in today&#039;s economy. To come full circle, this is the money Daniel Kottke references that Steve used to pay for Daniel&#039;s plane ticket to India....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, I wasn&#8217;t aware of his involvement in Breakout, and wasn&#8217;t aware that Jobs was technical enough to design circuit boards. Did Jobs also write prototype assembly code, or was that all done by Woz? </p>
<p>It also sounds like the classic manager-programmer dynamic: &#8220;The original deadline was met after Wozniak did not sleep for four days straight. In the end 50 chips were removed from Jobs&#8217; original design. This equated to a US$5,000 bonus, which Jobs kept secret from Wozniak, instead only paying him $375.&#8221; Kind of a dick move, especially considering the bonus was all based on Woz&#8217;s hard work. With inflation, that was a $27,000 bonus in today&#8217;s economy. To come full circle, this is the money Daniel Kottke references that Steve used to pay for Daniel&#8217;s plane ticket to India&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Dominianni</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/06/interview-with-early-apple-employee-daniel-kottke.html#comment-1236426</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Dominianni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 18:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve Jobs designed and programmed Breakout with help from Woz</description>
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		<title>By: Alex Copeland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Copeland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 16:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He made &quot;true magic&quot; happen, not any of that phoney bologna Hindi stuff, amirite?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He made &#8220;true magic&#8221; happen, not any of that phoney bologna Hindi stuff, amirite?</p>
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		<title>By: OtherMichael</title>
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		<dc:creator>OtherMichael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 15:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jobs was hired to make Breakout, and he subcontracted it out to Wozniak.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Breakout_%28video_game%29#History_and_development</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jobs was hired to make Breakout, and he subcontracted it out to Wozniak.</p>
<p><a href="https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Breakout_%28video_game%29#History_and_development" rel="nofollow">https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Breakout_%28video_game%29#History_and_development</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve James</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/06/interview-with-early-apple-employee-daniel-kottke.html#comment-1236178</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 11:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooooh. A Microwriter. Haven&#039;t seen one of those since I was their Production Manager in the mid 80&#039;s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooooh. A Microwriter. Haven&#8217;t seen one of those since I was their Production Manager in the mid 80&#8242;s</p>
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		<title>By: penguinchris</title>
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		<dc:creator>penguinchris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 07:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great shirt!</description>
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		<title>By: Tau'ma</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/06/interview-with-early-apple-employee-daniel-kottke.html#comment-1236115</link>
		<dc:creator>Tau'ma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 04:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting this Mark and thanks Avi.</description>
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		<title>By: petsounds</title>
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		<dc:creator>petsounds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 03:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, Mr. Kottke mentions that Steve Jobs worked for Atari around 1972. I wasn&#039;t aware of this. What was his job there? He couldn&#039;t program, so I imagine he was in marketing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, Mr. Kottke mentions that Steve Jobs worked for Atari around 1972. I wasn&#8217;t aware of this. What was his job there? He couldn&#8217;t program, so I imagine he was in marketing?</p>
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		<title>By: petsounds</title>
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		<dc:creator>petsounds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 03:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Near the end he starts talking about the use of psychedelics in handling stress to prevent the onset of cancer. I continue to think the stress that Steve Jobs put on himself certainly fed his cancer. Your body will eat you alive if you let your thoughts, worries, and fears control you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Near the end he starts talking about the use of psychedelics in handling stress to prevent the onset of cancer. I continue to think the stress that Steve Jobs put on himself certainly fed his cancer. Your body will eat you alive if you let your thoughts, worries, and fears control you.</p>
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		<title>By: Amsterdaam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amsterdaam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 03:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope, no relation... did a quick google search and came up with this Kottke post from 1999:

http://kottke.org/99/06/dan-kottke

Also, the Kottke of Kottke.org is Jason.

...Kottke</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, no relation&#8230; did a quick google search and came up with this Kottke post from 1999:</p>
<p><a href="http://kottke.org/99/06/dan-kottke" rel="nofollow">http://kottke.org/99/06/dan-kottke</a></p>
<p>Also, the Kottke of Kottke.org is Jason.</p>
<p>&#8230;Kottke</p>
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		<title>By: ikoino</title>
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		<dc:creator>ikoino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 02:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dan, good to see/hear you on BB.</description>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 01:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff until the diatribe about psychedelics... Zzzzzz...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff until the diatribe about psychedelics&#8230; Zzzzzz&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: grimc</title>
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		<dc:creator>grimc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 01:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this Kottke of kottke.org?</description>
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