The early OWS fomenters deliberately tried to get the movement positioned in such a way as to make it more difficult for various existing organizations to co-opt it and redirect it to their own ends. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/33498942@N04/6187459832/

This one has the real Boing Boing spirit, methinks:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/33498942@N04/6221738854/

It’s also important to remember that Occupy Wall Street is a grass roots movement.  I think we’re so used to professional activism, we’ve forgotten how messy a mass movement like this really is.

How about watching this news story below and afterwards, show some dignity and self-respect and admit you were wrong?  And, now that you know you were wrong and we were right – please, try some introspection and self-reflection and wonder… just wonder what on Earth else you (yes you) could be wrong about?

Personal growth.  Look into it.  And, now join your sisters and brothers…
IN THE NEXT AMERICAN REVOLUTION!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFLmDKs4MK4

No I believe his point was he is against the short term goal of publicly traded companies to supply share holders with

Ah no, that’s after he moved the goal posts maybe.  He first went off on some obscure statement about how private industry is best and how the public owns the banks and caused “the problems” – which is ridiculous.

He then went on to explain to me (who has already told him I’ve worked in the headquarters of a bank) how banks “work” in extremely simple terms that would seemingly support his first broad, ridiculous statements.

I could tell where he was going with it and it would be a misadventure into trite semantic details instead of getting to the root of the issue.

Trite semantic arguments do NOTHING but derail and misdirect from important points and goals and frankly bore me to death anyway.

So Cow since you seem to understand the goals of OWS, what is their plan to make those happen?

Please don’t be obtuse with me.  If you know anything about the OWS, then you’d know it started literally about 3 weeks ago. So no, I don’t think there’s a specific detailed plan on how to change the stock market right now.

But what is in the works is plans on changing how corporations interact with our government.

You can squawk all day long about changing the stock market system, but you will be powerless to do so until larger, systemic issues are tackled. If you’d like more help in understanding this, I suggest going here for starters:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street#Overview_of_goals

So far I’ve heard a bunch of lovely things they are upset about (which I share similar feelings on a few), but nothing about how they will actually achieve them.

Open your ears and eyes and you won’t have to ask everyone else what’s going on and whine about it.  If you don’t like what you see and hear then get involved and put in your input.  Otherwise, you’re just more noise from the distracting peanut gallery, aren’t you?

Cute dude, cute sign, but missing the point.

-A solution to shareholder profits could be a one year holding period on dividends for stocks.  That keeps short term traders happy, and allows the company to focus on long term growth, not short term profit.

So Cow since you seem to understand the goals of OWS, what is their plan to make those happen?  So far I’ve heard a bunch of lovely things they are upset about (which I share similar feelings on a few), but nothing about how they will actually achieve them.

The government isn’t the only way the public owns things, so forget your rhetoric.

Right.  Nice tactic.  Move the goal posts and (as an added bonus) you miss the point (or act like you did).

You just don’t have a clear message here, Rob. How can you expect to have anyone agree with you if your message is so scatterbrained?

Every single one of those banks is on the stock market, e.g. PUBLICLY held. And until the law stops encouraging companies to be short sighted, there’s huge problems with public companies.

So you’re against the stock market because it’s tied to the public?

So what’s your point, again? Why are you here? What do you want to achieve with your rhetoric anyway?  Your message is muddled.

Every single one of those banks is on the stock market, e.g. PUBLICLY held. And until the law stops encouraging companies to be short sighted, there’s huge problems with public companies.

It packs more punch than anything else I’ve seen in favour of OWS; I’d even go so far as to suggest it has the power to change the occasional mind.

Well yeah, because it was a manufactured movement and the establishment journalism industry loves prepackaged news. You might say it’s an addiction, hence many papers just being local AP reprinters.

And here´s one that’s a personal favorite:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=228298293894559&set=a.228255920565463.54839.100001431703156&type=1&permPage=1

Not to put too fine a point on it, but. . . Bullshit.  The Tea Parties stood for nothing but rage. Against what is anybody’s guess.  Remember Glenn Beck’s much hyped Tea party Rally on the anniversary of King’s “I have a dream” speech?  What was that about?  Restoring homor or something, as I recall.

The Tea Baggers were not one bit more “focused” or “coherent” than this bunch, and yet the MSM took them deadly seriously.

And seriously, the Tea Baggers “transforemd negative energies into a political engine for change?”

Seriously?

I watched the Olbermann clip and I still don’t know what they want. … So if it makes you feel good keep complaining …

Then you’re not looking/reading enough.  Also, critical thinking and comprehension skills are in order.

Even the tea party from the outset was politically oriented – it had a practical purpose.

Then go to a tea bagger rally, they desperately need you and unlike Occupy Wall Street, their numbers at rallies are dwindling to pitiful amounts. You are useless here.