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	<title>Comments on: Seth Roberts: Grandmother knows best about Crohn&#039;s&#160;Disease</title>
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		<title>By: george57l</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/10/seth-roberts-grandmother-knows-best-about-crohns-disease.html#comment-1242932</link>
		<dc:creator>george57l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 13:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He has NOT cured himself.  There is no cure. He has substantially ameliorated the symptoms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He has NOT cured himself.  There is no cure. He has substantially ameliorated the symptoms.</p>
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		<title>By: george57l</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/10/seth-roberts-grandmother-knows-best-about-crohns-disease.html#comment-1242929</link>
		<dc:creator>george57l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 13:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tooting?  Is this person based at St George&#039;s Hospital?  I do not have access to that Journal so please name names.  St George&#039;s is where I&#039;ve been going for 20+ years to see my Crohn&#039;s consultant.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tooting?  Is this person based at St George&#8217;s Hospital?  I do not have access to that Journal so please name names.  St George&#8217;s is where I&#8217;ve been going for 20+ years to see my Crohn&#8217;s consultant.</p>
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		<title>By: senorglory</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/10/seth-roberts-grandmother-knows-best-about-crohns-disease.html#comment-1241382</link>
		<dc:creator>senorglory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 23:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s an article today about an establishment doctor who is told by his client that she thinks riding a bicyle has releived her of her Parkinson&#039;s symptoms.  The doctor is so impressed, he convenes a study.  http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/12/what-parkinsons-teaches-us-about-the-brain/  I&#039;m not presenting this anecdotal evidence as proof that doctors are awesome, but just to raise the possibility that they&#039;re not all merely pill-pushing assholes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an article today about an establishment doctor who is told by his client that she thinks riding a bicyle has releived her of her Parkinson&#8217;s symptoms.  The doctor is so impressed, he convenes a study.  <a href="http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/12/what-parkinsons-teaches-us-about-the-brain/ " rel="nofollow">http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/12/what-parkinsons-teaches-us-about-the-brain/ </a> I&#8217;m not presenting this anecdotal evidence as proof that doctors are awesome, but just to raise the possibility that they&#8217;re not all merely pill-pushing assholes.</p>
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		<title>By: retchdog</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/10/seth-roberts-grandmother-knows-best-about-crohns-disease.html#comment-1240971</link>
		<dc:creator>retchdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 19:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The scientific method is, roughly, 1) look for the most proximate cause not yet rejected; 2) change that variable; 3) reject if it didn&#039;t work.

Diet is reasonable since it&#039;s a digestive disorder. Surgery is effective in some cases, but extreme. Drugs are reasonable and have their own elimination trials.

There&#039;s absolutely no reason to believe that sticking pins in your skin does anything; it just doesn&#039;t make sense, which is why we demand extraordinary evidence, which you haven&#039;t provided.

Somewhere in between quackery (useless) and establishment medicine (useful but with some limitations), there is methodical and safe self-experimentation. Acupuncture doesn&#039;t fit there; changing one&#039;s diet does.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The scientific method is, roughly, 1) look for the most proximate cause not yet rejected; 2) change that variable; 3) reject if it didn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>Diet is reasonable since it&#8217;s a digestive disorder. Surgery is effective in some cases, but extreme. Drugs are reasonable and have their own elimination trials.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s absolutely no reason to believe that sticking pins in your skin does anything; it just doesn&#8217;t make sense, which is why we demand extraordinary evidence, which you haven&#8217;t provided.</p>
<p>Somewhere in between quackery (useless) and establishment medicine (useful but with some limitations), there is methodical and safe self-experimentation. Acupuncture doesn&#8217;t fit there; changing one&#8217;s diet does.</p>
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		<title>By: Martine K Smith</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/10/seth-roberts-grandmother-knows-best-about-crohns-disease.html#comment-1240749</link>
		<dc:creator>Martine K Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... in response to Peter Schmidt and other naysayers
Placebo indeed --- oh my achin&#039; arse. 
Do you people really think any of us LIKE giving up 7-11 food?!?!
Or that we enjoy making a hugely radical change that affects not only our own lives, but the lives of everyone with whom we might ever eat a meal, for the rest of our LIVES (not just 2 years)?
Surely you jest.
I suffered for half a century (yes 50 years), and even grew accustomed to the constant GI pain.  It was my own anecdotal experimentation that got rid of the pain, and my lifelong condition was only confirmed by a blood test ~after~ I implemented the gluten-free diet.  I would not go back to that pain for the very best baguette in all of Paris, no matter how &quot;anecdotal&quot; my experience is.  Screw science; I feel like a million bucks by comparison and if I&#039;d waited for that magic double-blind experiment, I&#039;d still be doubled-over in pain.  Y&#039;all can have science; I&#039;ll take what works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; in response to Peter Schmidt and other naysayers<br />
Placebo indeed &#8212; oh my achin&#8217; arse.<br />
Do you people really think any of us LIKE giving up 7-11 food?!?!<br />
Or that we enjoy making a hugely radical change that affects not only our own lives, but the lives of everyone with whom we might ever eat a meal, for the rest of our LIVES (not just 2 years)?<br />
Surely you jest.<br />
I suffered for half a century (yes 50 years), and even grew accustomed to the constant GI pain.  It was my own anecdotal experimentation that got rid of the pain, and my lifelong condition was only confirmed by a blood test ~after~ I implemented the gluten-free diet.  I would not go back to that pain for the very best baguette in all of Paris, no matter how &#8220;anecdotal&#8221; my experience is.  Screw science; I feel like a million bucks by comparison and if I&#8217;d waited for that magic double-blind experiment, I&#8217;d still be doubled-over in pain.  Y&#8217;all can have science; I&#8217;ll take what works.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Schachter</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/10/seth-roberts-grandmother-knows-best-about-crohns-disease.html#comment-1240685</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Schachter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos to Reid on his video and to all the help he&#039;s provided educating others about safe and effective alternative strategies for treating IBD. It turns out that there is now real science that explains why diet is so central to IBD and all autoimmune disease. The lead science is around the interplay between genes, microbiome and intestinal barrier function. See the work of Alessio Fasano at UMaryland - http://tinyurl.com/zonulin and Loren Cordain at Colorado http://www.dovepress.com/the-western-diet-and-lifestyle-and-diseases-of-civilization-peer-reviewed-article-RRCC  And there is finally some movement on clinical trials for SCD in particular at Rush.  It just makes sense that diet is a critical part of the healing process. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos to Reid on his video and to all the help he&#8217;s provided educating others about safe and effective alternative strategies for treating IBD. It turns out that there is now real science that explains why diet is so central to IBD and all autoimmune disease. The lead science is around the interplay between genes, microbiome and intestinal barrier function. See the work of Alessio Fasano at UMaryland &#8211; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/zonulin" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/zonulin</a> and Loren Cordain at Colorado <a href="http://www.dovepress.com/the-western-diet-and-lifestyle-and-diseases-of-civilization-peer-reviewed-article-RRCC " rel="nofollow">http://www.dovepress.com/the-western-diet-and-lifestyle-and-diseases-of-civilization-peer-reviewed-article-RRCC </a> And there is finally some movement on clinical trials for SCD in particular at Rush.  It just makes sense that diet is a critical part of the healing process. </p>
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		<title>By: cp1919</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/10/seth-roberts-grandmother-knows-best-about-crohns-disease.html#comment-1240327</link>
		<dc:creator>cp1919</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my what a lot of comments -- when I was trying to help my mild IBS (solution -- several apples per week) my thought was &quot;why isn&#039;t there a Jenny Craig diet for an exclusionary diet&quot; Wouldn&#039;t it be nice to be able to have a pre-calibrated diet which gradually adds elements until you find your trigger food? Just look at this comment list -- is there not an audience for this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my what a lot of comments &#8212; when I was trying to help my mild IBS (solution &#8212; several apples per week) my thought was &#8220;why isn&#8217;t there a Jenny Craig diet for an exclusionary diet&#8221; Wouldn&#8217;t it be nice to be able to have a pre-calibrated diet which gradually adds elements until you find your trigger food? Just look at this comment list &#8212; is there not an audience for this?</p>
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		<title>By: TheArtofApril-Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheArtofApril-Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very interesting article. I appreciate the details provided. It reminds me of my own journey dealing with IBS &amp; other challenges but I have not done the specific diet you speak of, many of the changes I made to my diet many years ago do include much of the Haas diet advice. I work with a traditional chinese medicine doctor for my health, we see continuing improvements but the path is slow for me. I am going to look into the Haas diet more to see if perhaps additional changes to my diet might be worth trying out. Thanks for sharing your story! I am so happy to hear you are living healthier and therefore happier! 

Cheers;
April-Anna
http://theartofapril-anna.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very interesting article. I appreciate the details provided. It reminds me of my own journey dealing with IBS &amp; other challenges but I have not done the specific diet you speak of, many of the changes I made to my diet many years ago do include much of the Haas diet advice. I work with a traditional chinese medicine doctor for my health, we see continuing improvements but the path is slow for me. I am going to look into the Haas diet more to see if perhaps additional changes to my diet might be worth trying out. Thanks for sharing your story! I am so happy to hear you are living healthier and therefore happier! </p>
<p>Cheers;<br />
April-Anna<br />
<a href="http://theartofapril-anna.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://theartofapril-anna.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nutrition Industry</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/10/seth-roberts-grandmother-knows-best-about-crohns-disease.html#comment-1240276</link>
		<dc:creator>Nutrition Industry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 01:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My apologies if I blended some of your views with those of Seth Roberts.  I found it difficult to parse out your viewpoints from his in the blog post.

I re-viewed the documentary clip (which I assume reflect solely your views), and your choice of video clips and their editing cast the medical approaches to Crohn&#039;s management in a rather negative light (Accutane? Highlighting &quot;no cure&quot;?).  I interpreted that as urging patients not to trust medicine because that is how it struck me.  Perhaps you meant a different message to come across.

I can understand that you are frustrated (I certainly can&#039;t begin to understand your frustration though as I do not have that disease).  Medical science has failed you by not curing your disease.  But your documentary clip speaks of a &quot;cure&quot; while presenting testimonials for treatments that may only work for some but not others.  Clinical studies actually test how effective a treatment is for a wide range of patients, i.e. what are the odds I will benefit from this treatment (unfortunately, they aren&#039;t that high for most Crohn&#039;s treatments).  A testimonial gives you no idea of the chance a treatment will work for you.

A cure has not emerged from medical science nor the alternative treatment approach - only palliative care.  You are communicating a message about a cure and associating it with testimonials about alternative treatments to a population of patients where some feel hopeless.  I feel this may encourage vulnerable people to try a &quot;cure&quot; that may not work for them (and has potential to harm them) instead of their current regime that only controls their symptoms.  &quot;Alternative&quot; doesn&#039;t mean better, it only means different.

I am glad the SCDtm diet worked for you.  It is great that you are sharing your personal experience.  I imagine you want to make a powerful impact on as many people as possible with your documentary.  Your messages of hope and help will be far stronger than any (inadvertant?) messages of distrust medicine and expect a cure from alternative treatments.  Best of luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My apologies if I blended some of your views with those of Seth Roberts.  I found it difficult to parse out your viewpoints from his in the blog post.</p>
<p>I re-viewed the documentary clip (which I assume reflect solely your views), and your choice of video clips and their editing cast the medical approaches to Crohn&#8217;s management in a rather negative light (Accutane? Highlighting &#8220;no cure&#8221;?).  I interpreted that as urging patients not to trust medicine because that is how it struck me.  Perhaps you meant a different message to come across.</p>
<p>I can understand that you are frustrated (I certainly can&#8217;t begin to understand your frustration though as I do not have that disease).  Medical science has failed you by not curing your disease.  But your documentary clip speaks of a &#8220;cure&#8221; while presenting testimonials for treatments that may only work for some but not others.  Clinical studies actually test how effective a treatment is for a wide range of patients, i.e. what are the odds I will benefit from this treatment (unfortunately, they aren&#8217;t that high for most Crohn&#8217;s treatments).  A testimonial gives you no idea of the chance a treatment will work for you.</p>
<p>A cure has not emerged from medical science nor the alternative treatment approach &#8211; only palliative care.  You are communicating a message about a cure and associating it with testimonials about alternative treatments to a population of patients where some feel hopeless.  I feel this may encourage vulnerable people to try a &#8220;cure&#8221; that may not work for them (and has potential to harm them) instead of their current regime that only controls their symptoms.  &#8220;Alternative&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean better, it only means different.</p>
<p>I am glad the SCDtm diet worked for you.  It is great that you are sharing your personal experience.  I imagine you want to make a powerful impact on as many people as possible with your documentary.  Your messages of hope and help will be far stronger than any (inadvertant?) messages of distrust medicine and expect a cure from alternative treatments.  Best of luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Carley Oliver</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/10/seth-roberts-grandmother-knows-best-about-crohns-disease.html#comment-1240188</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Carley Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 23:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I think there is a lot of conflation among what Seth Roberts is saying, what Reid Kimball is saying, and what the producers of the film are saying/will say.  When I read Nutrition Industry&#039;s post it seems to clearly state when s/he is referring to Reid, but leaves the other attributions vague, which seems appropriate given the post, which I found to be not well written. Again - I feel that better editing would have served the BB community well here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I think there is a lot of conflation among what Seth Roberts is saying, what Reid Kimball is saying, and what the producers of the film are saying/will say.  When I read Nutrition Industry&#8217;s post it seems to clearly state when s/he is referring to Reid, but leaves the other attributions vague, which seems appropriate given the post, which I found to be not well written. Again &#8211; I feel that better editing would have served the BB community well here.</p>
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		<title>By: Reid Kimball</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/10/seth-roberts-grandmother-knows-best-about-crohns-disease.html#comment-1240179</link>
		<dc:creator>Reid Kimball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 23:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nutrition Industry, you are mischaracterizing my views without knowing what I stand for. I don&#039;t tell people to stop taking their meds. I myself went 3 years of little if any symptoms before I stopped mine and I did it in a very slow, gradual and safe way, despite not needing too from a physiological point.

My message is that when something doesn&#039;t work, look for other solutions. If a patient has a doctor they like and their meds are working and they are happy to continue using them, I will never tell them to stop seeing their doctor. That&#039;s not my purpose. I&#039;m making the film to help those who are looking for other options. The use of effective alternative treatments grows each year but not enough research is being done. The next best thing is to experiment with them on me and talk to as many people as I can about their experiences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nutrition Industry, you are mischaracterizing my views without knowing what I stand for. I don&#8217;t tell people to stop taking their meds. I myself went 3 years of little if any symptoms before I stopped mine and I did it in a very slow, gradual and safe way, despite not needing too from a physiological point.</p>
<p>My message is that when something doesn&#8217;t work, look for other solutions. If a patient has a doctor they like and their meds are working and they are happy to continue using them, I will never tell them to stop seeing their doctor. That&#8217;s not my purpose. I&#8217;m making the film to help those who are looking for other options. The use of effective alternative treatments grows each year but not enough research is being done. The next best thing is to experiment with them on me and talk to as many people as I can about their experiences.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Carley Oliver</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/10/seth-roberts-grandmother-knows-best-about-crohns-disease.html#comment-1240180</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Carley Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 23:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reid, I just wanted to thank you for joining the conversation here - it can take a lot of guts to handle the very strongly stated opinions/thoughts/etc that we boingers often have, and you have managed it with grace.

Boing Boing Management: this post and the discussion it has engendered makes me wish we had comment system that better supported this kind of back and forth talk.  I wish I could click on Nutrition Industry&#039;s userid and see his/her other comments, maybe a bio, and either contact info or the ability to DM.  Numbering the comments would also be useful, so when I return to this convo I can pick up where I left off. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reid, I just wanted to thank you for joining the conversation here &#8211; it can take a lot of guts to handle the very strongly stated opinions/thoughts/etc that we boingers often have, and you have managed it with grace.</p>
<p>Boing Boing Management: this post and the discussion it has engendered makes me wish we had comment system that better supported this kind of back and forth talk.  I wish I could click on Nutrition Industry&#8217;s userid and see his/her other comments, maybe a bio, and either contact info or the ability to DM.  Numbering the comments would also be useful, so when I return to this convo I can pick up where I left off. </p>
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		<title>By: Nutrition Industry</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/10/seth-roberts-grandmother-knows-best-about-crohns-disease.html#comment-1240120</link>
		<dc:creator>Nutrition Industry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 22:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reid is certainly welcome to share his testimonial anytime and anywhere he likes.  Expert medical advice for Crohn&#039;s patients includes, &quot;No special diet has been proven effective for preventing or treating Crohn’s disease, but it is very important that people who have Crohn’s disease follow a nutritious diet and avoid any foods that seem to worsen symptoms (http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/crohns/).&quot;  Reid did exactly this - adjusted his diet to manage his symptoms.

But, he has gone from a personal testimonial to a promotion of a trademarked diet and a book that have very limited scientific support.  The SCDtm website linked in the article states that the supporting scientific evidence is anecdotal (and the plural of anecdote is not &quot;data&quot;).  His condemnation of the medical system seems more personal experience rather than derived from systematic evidence.  So, when he is telling people to stop trusting their doctor but trust a largely untested diet (or other untested &quot;cures&quot; in the video), he might harm someone who listens to him.  As we see from the commentors here, taking his advice and stopping their medicine would be bad for some and eating the SCDtm diet would be bad for others.  He has crossed over into giving medical advice.

So, I don&#039;t see anything wrong with Reid saying &quot;I tried the SCDtm diet, and it worked for me.&quot;  I am concerned that saying, &quot;Medicine doesn&#039;t work, you should try the SCDtm diet&quot; may mislead or harm his fellow patients.  It is difficult enough to manage the symptoms of Crohn&#039;s disease especially knowing there is no cure.  It makes some people desperate to try anything that might help.  Before anti-retroviral drugs were developed, people with HIV/AIDS were similarly desperate, and there are many things they tried that harmed more than helped.  We learned most of that in hindsight.  But, I am glad that SCDtm helped Reid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reid is certainly welcome to share his testimonial anytime and anywhere he likes.  Expert medical advice for Crohn&#8217;s patients includes, &#8220;No special diet has been proven effective for preventing or treating Crohn’s disease, but it is very important that people who have Crohn’s disease follow a nutritious diet and avoid any foods that seem to worsen symptoms (<a href="http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/crohns/" rel="nofollow">http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/crohns/</a>).&#8221;  Reid did exactly this &#8211; adjusted his diet to manage his symptoms.</p>
<p>But, he has gone from a personal testimonial to a promotion of a trademarked diet and a book that have very limited scientific support.  The SCDtm website linked in the article states that the supporting scientific evidence is anecdotal (and the plural of anecdote is not &#8220;data&#8221;).  His condemnation of the medical system seems more personal experience rather than derived from systematic evidence.  So, when he is telling people to stop trusting their doctor but trust a largely untested diet (or other untested &#8220;cures&#8221; in the video), he might harm someone who listens to him.  As we see from the commentors here, taking his advice and stopping their medicine would be bad for some and eating the SCDtm diet would be bad for others.  He has crossed over into giving medical advice.</p>
<p>So, I don&#8217;t see anything wrong with Reid saying &#8220;I tried the SCDtm diet, and it worked for me.&#8221;  I am concerned that saying, &#8220;Medicine doesn&#8217;t work, you should try the SCDtm diet&#8221; may mislead or harm his fellow patients.  It is difficult enough to manage the symptoms of Crohn&#8217;s disease especially knowing there is no cure.  It makes some people desperate to try anything that might help.  Before anti-retroviral drugs were developed, people with HIV/AIDS were similarly desperate, and there are many things they tried that harmed more than helped.  We learned most of that in hindsight.  But, I am glad that SCDtm helped Reid.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark_Frauenfelder</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/10/seth-roberts-grandmother-knows-best-about-crohns-disease.html#comment-1240034</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark_Frauenfelder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should Reid have kept silent about what he learned?</description>
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		<title>By: Elisa Gabbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elisa Gabbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget the funding part -- how would one accomplish a &quot;double-blind&quot; study with diet even in the abstract? It&#039;s easy to do double-blind studies with pharmaceuticals because pills all look basically the same, whether they&#039;re placebo or the drug in question. Not so with food. Everyone would know what they were eating.

&quot;Double-blind&quot; studies were designed to test pharmaceuticals, not lifestyles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget the funding part &#8212; how would one accomplish a &#8220;double-blind&#8221; study with diet even in the abstract? It&#8217;s easy to do double-blind studies with pharmaceuticals because pills all look basically the same, whether they&#8217;re placebo or the drug in question. Not so with food. Everyone would know what they were eating.</p>
<p>&#8220;Double-blind&#8221; studies were designed to test pharmaceuticals, not lifestyles.</p>
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		<title>By: Elisa Gabbert</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/10/seth-roberts-grandmother-knows-best-about-crohns-disease.html#comment-1239986</link>
		<dc:creator>Elisa Gabbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 20:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s disturbing is when prescription drugs don&#039;t work as well as placebo.</description>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Ross</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/10/seth-roberts-grandmother-knows-best-about-crohns-disease.html#comment-1239950</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 20:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ganesha71, you&#039;re right that low-dose naltrexone deserves more attention so that it will be discussed in the autoimmune disease community. Since I have Hashimoto&#039;s, I&#039;m pursuing Dr. Kharrasian&#039;s treatment protocol, but I&#039;m passionate about stopping the cause of autoimmune disease in general, so I&#039;m curious about the thinking behind the low-dose naltrexone treatment and the results doctors are seeing. I wonder if the treatment is designed to control symptoms or if it actually helps stop the autoimmune attack, and if so, why it does what it does. Those of us who are autoimmune should be asking questions to find out more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ganesha71, you&#8217;re right that low-dose naltrexone deserves more attention so that it will be discussed in the autoimmune disease community. Since I have Hashimoto&#8217;s, I&#8217;m pursuing Dr. Kharrasian&#8217;s treatment protocol, but I&#8217;m passionate about stopping the cause of autoimmune disease in general, so I&#8217;m curious about the thinking behind the low-dose naltrexone treatment and the results doctors are seeing. I wonder if the treatment is designed to control symptoms or if it actually helps stop the autoimmune attack, and if so, why it does what it does. Those of us who are autoimmune should be asking questions to find out more.</p>
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		<title>By: deltaverde</title>
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		<dc:creator>deltaverde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 20:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Animals are effectively highly complex bioelectrochemical mechisms.  To dismiss the likelihood that altering inputs would effect outputs just because the process hasn&#039;t been vetted by an elite with economic incentives to dismiss it is pretty shortsighted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Animals are effectively highly complex bioelectrochemical mechisms.  To dismiss the likelihood that altering inputs would effect outputs just because the process hasn&#8217;t been vetted by an elite with economic incentives to dismiss it is pretty shortsighted.</p>
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		<title>By: Nutrition Industry</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/10/seth-roberts-grandmother-knows-best-about-crohns-disease.html#comment-1239927</link>
		<dc:creator>Nutrition Industry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 20:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reid&#039;s individual experience with diet changes worked for him - no need for him to change.  There is no extrapolation or generalization needed with n=1.  When he suggests that other people try his diet, then we can question the basis of extrapolating his experience to others.  Which kind of information would you trust more in managing your disease: a testimonial or a double-blind trial?  Also, there is a lot more to take into consideration than just clinical trials (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradford-Hill_criteria).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reid&#8217;s individual experience with diet changes worked for him &#8211; no need for him to change.  There is no extrapolation or generalization needed with n=1.  When he suggests that other people try his diet, then we can question the basis of extrapolating his experience to others.  Which kind of information would you trust more in managing your disease: a testimonial or a double-blind trial?  Also, there is a lot more to take into consideration than just clinical trials (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradford-Hill_criteria" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradford-Hill_criteria</a>).</p>
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		<title>By: ganesha71</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/10/seth-roberts-grandmother-knows-best-about-crohns-disease.html#comment-1239920</link>
		<dc:creator>ganesha71</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t see anyone else comment about Low-Dose Naltrexone. That probably deserves a BoingBoing post by itself since it is almost a miracle drug for some Crohn&#039;s patients, not to mention MS and other autoimmune diseases. And it&#039;s super cheap.  I just hope it doesn&#039;t end up like Progesterone ..... http://boingboing.net/2011/03/14/10-drug-becomes-1500.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t see anyone else comment about Low-Dose Naltrexone. That probably deserves a BoingBoing post by itself since it is almost a miracle drug for some Crohn&#8217;s patients, not to mention MS and other autoimmune diseases. And it&#8217;s super cheap.  I just hope it doesn&#8217;t end up like Progesterone &#8230;.. <a href="http://boingboing.net/2011/03/14/10-drug-becomes-1500.html" rel="nofollow">http://boingboing.net/2011/03/14/10-drug-becomes-1500.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark_Frauenfelder</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/10/seth-roberts-grandmother-knows-best-about-crohns-disease.html#comment-1239919</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark_Frauenfelder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Nutrition Industry. I&#039;m curious, do you think Reid should switch back to taking his prescribed medicine and wait for a double-blind placebo controlled trial before going on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Nutrition Industry. I&#8217;m curious, do you think Reid should switch back to taking his prescribed medicine and wait for a double-blind placebo controlled trial before going on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet again?</p>
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		<title>By: Nutrition Industry</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/10/seth-roberts-grandmother-knows-best-about-crohns-disease.html#comment-1239892</link>
		<dc:creator>Nutrition Industry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It depends on how experience leads to informed actions and decisions.  I listen very carefully to my neighbor&#039;s advice on how to build a bookshelf because he is very experienced in making furniture.  As you can see from this comment thread, some diet changes work for some Crohn&#039;s patients and not for others.  Thus, these individual experiences cannot be extrapolated to the larger population beyond the current medical advice that diet manipulation might help some patients.  Where individual experience cannot be generalized, we rely on double-blind, placebo controlled trials that are designed to be generalized to a wider population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It depends on how experience leads to informed actions and decisions.  I listen very carefully to my neighbor&#8217;s advice on how to build a bookshelf because he is very experienced in making furniture.  As you can see from this comment thread, some diet changes work for some Crohn&#8217;s patients and not for others.  Thus, these individual experiences cannot be extrapolated to the larger population beyond the current medical advice that diet manipulation might help some patients.  Where individual experience cannot be generalized, we rely on double-blind, placebo controlled trials that are designed to be generalized to a wider population.</p>
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		<title>By: Reid Kimball</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/10/seth-roberts-grandmother-knows-best-about-crohns-disease.html#comment-1239825</link>
		<dc:creator>Reid Kimball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jtiii, Thank you for putting yourself in my shoes at that time and understanding!</description>
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		<title>By: Reid Kimball</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/10/seth-roberts-grandmother-knows-best-about-crohns-disease.html#comment-1239810</link>
		<dc:creator>Reid Kimball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for cleaning up the Wikipedia article!</description>
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		<title>By: Mark_Frauenfelder</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/10/seth-roberts-grandmother-knows-best-about-crohns-disease.html#comment-1239788</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark_Frauenfelder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you always reject advice from someone who has learned something from experience, and instead wait for the double-blind study to tell you to what to do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you always reject advice from someone who has learned something from experience, and instead wait for the double-blind study to tell you to what to do?</p>
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		<title>By: lillyd</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/10/seth-roberts-grandmother-knows-best-about-crohns-disease.html#comment-1239673</link>
		<dc:creator>lillyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These kind of posts always generated the weirdest knee-jerk defensiveness of medicine and science that I&#039;m hesitant to even bother commenting. 

As Daniel says above, why is this so constroverial? I really don&#039;t get why this is so offensive to anyone. People are not statistics. While it may not seem helpful to you (if you don&#039;t have Chrohns, or if you&#039;ve found a different solution to yours), why could this not be helpful to someone else? People need to get a grip...

Anyway, I&#039;m adding my anecdote in case it helps someone. If you don&#039;t like it, you know, ignore it. My mom has, as a gew other folks have anecdotally said above, Chrohn&#039;s that has been in remission, with the exception of one flare up, for 20+ years. Hers seems very stress-related. Divorcing my step-dad seemed to cause it to go in remission! ;-) She also happened to read about good carbs/bad carbs and cutting out most sugar, white flour, etc. though not in relation to Chrohn&#039;s specifically, but more in relation to weight watching. It does sound like maybe there are some like her who have good results with looking at certain carbs, others who can&#039;t tolerate fiber. (We love our fiber in my family.)

Here are two things that medicine doesn&#039;t handle well, and they should be, quite frankly, common sense. 1. Guess what? All things don&#039;t work for all people. Never have, never will. Accept it. Get over it, please, for the sake of your patients. 2. Diet affects bodily functions. Duh! Accept it. Please. 

For the consumers of medicine, beware. Don&#039;t think you are a patient. You are a consumer, just like in any other for-profit industry. As such, you are your own best advocate. You have the responsibility of being a good consumer. I don&#039;t like it, but we might as well face that fact and stop beating this dead horse of whether doctors are nice/incompetent/arrogant/wrong/etc. 

As for doctors, you might as well face it as well. If you don&#039;t like it, then try to do something to change the system. None of us as individuals made the system this way, but it is what it is. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These kind of posts always generated the weirdest knee-jerk defensiveness of medicine and science that I&#8217;m hesitant to even bother commenting. </p>
<p>As Daniel says above, why is this so constroverial? I really don&#8217;t get why this is so offensive to anyone. People are not statistics. While it may not seem helpful to you (if you don&#8217;t have Chrohns, or if you&#8217;ve found a different solution to yours), why could this not be helpful to someone else? People need to get a grip&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m adding my anecdote in case it helps someone. If you don&#8217;t like it, you know, ignore it. My mom has, as a gew other folks have anecdotally said above, Chrohn&#8217;s that has been in remission, with the exception of one flare up, for 20+ years. Hers seems very stress-related. Divorcing my step-dad seemed to cause it to go in remission! ;-) She also happened to read about good carbs/bad carbs and cutting out most sugar, white flour, etc. though not in relation to Chrohn&#8217;s specifically, but more in relation to weight watching. It does sound like maybe there are some like her who have good results with looking at certain carbs, others who can&#8217;t tolerate fiber. (We love our fiber in my family.)</p>
<p>Here are two things that medicine doesn&#8217;t handle well, and they should be, quite frankly, common sense. 1. Guess what? All things don&#8217;t work for all people. Never have, never will. Accept it. Get over it, please, for the sake of your patients. 2. Diet affects bodily functions. Duh! Accept it. Please. </p>
<p>For the consumers of medicine, beware. Don&#8217;t think you are a patient. You are a consumer, just like in any other for-profit industry. As such, you are your own best advocate. You have the responsibility of being a good consumer. I don&#8217;t like it, but we might as well face that fact and stop beating this dead horse of whether doctors are nice/incompetent/arrogant/wrong/etc. </p>
<p>As for doctors, you might as well face it as well. If you don&#8217;t like it, then try to do something to change the system. None of us as individuals made the system this way, but it is what it is. </p>
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		<title>By: Matt Shapiro</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/10/seth-roberts-grandmother-knows-best-about-crohns-disease.html#comment-1239665</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Shapiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad a change in diet works for some people.  Unfortunately it didn&#039;t work for me.  And none of the drugs worked.  The only thing that ended up helping my situation was surgery (but it helped dramatically!)    It was one of the most difficult decisions I&#039;ve ever had to make and it was the right decision.  But it was made only more difficult when well-meaning people I would normally look to for support insisted I just wasn&#039;t eating right.

So rejoice in the fact that a change in diet helps some people with gut problems.  And if you have gut troubles, changing your diet is DEFINITELY worth trying.  Heck even if it doesn&#039;t work, you pick up better habits :)  

But do keep in mind it is NOT a cure.  If it were a cure it would help everyone with the disease.  Some people need drugs to feel better.  And many still need surgery.  The last thing these people need is more stigma or to feel guilty that simpler solutions did not work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad a change in diet works for some people.  Unfortunately it didn&#8217;t work for me.  And none of the drugs worked.  The only thing that ended up helping my situation was surgery (but it helped dramatically!)    It was one of the most difficult decisions I&#8217;ve ever had to make and it was the right decision.  But it was made only more difficult when well-meaning people I would normally look to for support insisted I just wasn&#8217;t eating right.</p>
<p>So rejoice in the fact that a change in diet helps some people with gut problems.  And if you have gut troubles, changing your diet is DEFINITELY worth trying.  Heck even if it doesn&#8217;t work, you pick up better habits :)  </p>
<p>But do keep in mind it is NOT a cure.  If it were a cure it would help everyone with the disease.  Some people need drugs to feel better.  And many still need surgery.  The last thing these people need is more stigma or to feel guilty that simpler solutions did not work.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Ross</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/10/seth-roberts-grandmother-knows-best-about-crohns-disease.html#comment-1239663</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great description of the pathology of autoimmune disease: http://www.cyrexlabs.com/HomeVideo1/tabid/174/Default.aspx (And, no, I don&#039;t work for this lab, but I&#039;m paying out of pocket for its extensive testing.)

We need a new approach in medicine when it comes to autoimmune disease. Crohn&#039;s disease, Hashimoto&#039;s thyroiditis, vitiligo, alopecia areata, multiple sclerosis, lupis, rheumatoid arthritis... There are many, many autoimmune diseases. Most people don&#039;t just have one on the list; they have multiple ones. The immune system is not just attacking one part of their bodies. I think it&#039;s overly simplistic to label autoimmune disease by the part of the body that&#039;s getting attacked. I have Hashimoto&#039;s thyroiditis, vitiligo, and alopecia areata. I tell people, &quot;I have autoimmune disease&quot; to try to draw awareness to the general disease state and how prevalent it is. My immune system is attacking my own tissues and organs. The question is how to stop that attack.

Practitioners like Dr. Datis Kharrasian (www.thryoidbook.com) are using solid science along with natural methods to try to stop the autoimmune attack of autoimmune disease. The goal of the emerging treatment protocols is to heal the mucosal lining of the digestive system so that undigested food particles no longer leak into the bloodstream and set off an autoimmune reaction. In some people, underlying bacteria and fungal infections also need to be resolved. Blood sugar regulation is also very important for autoimmune disease. There are a lot of factors involved. You can see why diet is very helpful to some people.

Fortunately for the many people like me with autoimmune disease, there are practitioners that are having great success treating the disease with natural medicine applied in a scientific way. By that I mean they aren&#039;t just telling patients to cut out carbs and drink herbal tea. There is extensive testing available now (by labs like Cyrex, unfortunately not reimbursed by insurance) that can help determine what factors have combined in a particular person to trigger the autoimmune attack. I&#039;m going through such testing right now and am eager to start a treatment program based on my results with my doctor. After 6 months or a year of that treatment program, we plan to do the same testing again to show scientifically, not just anecdotally, that my health has improved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great description of the pathology of autoimmune disease: http://www.cyrexlabs.com/HomeVideo1/tabid/174/Default.aspx (And, no, I don&#8217;t work for this lab, but I&#8217;m paying out of pocket for its extensive testing.)</p>
<p>We need a new approach in medicine when it comes to autoimmune disease. Crohn&#8217;s disease, Hashimoto&#8217;s thyroiditis, vitiligo, alopecia areata, multiple sclerosis, lupis, rheumatoid arthritis&#8230; There are many, many autoimmune diseases. Most people don&#8217;t just have one on the list; they have multiple ones. The immune system is not just attacking one part of their bodies. I think it&#8217;s overly simplistic to label autoimmune disease by the part of the body that&#8217;s getting attacked. I have Hashimoto&#8217;s thyroiditis, vitiligo, and alopecia areata. I tell people, &#8220;I have autoimmune disease&#8221; to try to draw awareness to the general disease state and how prevalent it is. My immune system is attacking my own tissues and organs. The question is how to stop that attack.</p>
<p>Practitioners like Dr. Datis Kharrasian (www.thryoidbook.com) are using solid science along with natural methods to try to stop the autoimmune attack of autoimmune disease. The goal of the emerging treatment protocols is to heal the mucosal lining of the digestive system so that undigested food particles no longer leak into the bloodstream and set off an autoimmune reaction. In some people, underlying bacteria and fungal infections also need to be resolved. Blood sugar regulation is also very important for autoimmune disease. There are a lot of factors involved. You can see why diet is very helpful to some people.</p>
<p>Fortunately for the many people like me with autoimmune disease, there are practitioners that are having great success treating the disease with natural medicine applied in a scientific way. By that I mean they aren&#8217;t just telling patients to cut out carbs and drink herbal tea. There is extensive testing available now (by labs like Cyrex, unfortunately not reimbursed by insurance) that can help determine what factors have combined in a particular person to trigger the autoimmune attack. I&#8217;m going through such testing right now and am eager to start a treatment program based on my results with my doctor. After 6 months or a year of that treatment program, we plan to do the same testing again to show scientifically, not just anecdotally, that my health has improved.</p>
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		<title>By: crashnbash</title>
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		<dc:creator>crashnbash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are not your own advocate of your health no one else is going to be and you can&#039;t blame anyone else for your lack of persistence.. this being said by a Colitis patient. If I don&#039;t tell my doctor im still crapping blood when he put me on a treatment, guess what im still going to crap blood and get worse beacause I told him nothing was wrong. Regardless you need to tell them everything that&#039;s going on, even if they blow it off, you make it a big deal. I&#039;m lucky enough that the 3rd GI I went to in my 6years is a real winner and is amazing. I dealt with the same SOB for the first 4 years and it was my own fault because I didn&#039;t stick up for myself and my health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are not your own advocate of your health no one else is going to be and you can&#8217;t blame anyone else for your lack of persistence.. this being said by a Colitis patient. If I don&#8217;t tell my doctor im still crapping blood when he put me on a treatment, guess what im still going to crap blood and get worse beacause I told him nothing was wrong. Regardless you need to tell them everything that&#8217;s going on, even if they blow it off, you make it a big deal. I&#8217;m lucky enough that the 3rd GI I went to in my 6years is a real winner and is amazing. I dealt with the same SOB for the first 4 years and it was my own fault because I didn&#8217;t stick up for myself and my health.</p>
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		<title>By: crashnbash</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/10/seth-roberts-grandmother-knows-best-about-crohns-disease.html#comment-1239654</link>
		<dc:creator>crashnbash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for calling out the shenanigans! I found it very odd myself to see how he quoted CCFA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for calling out the shenanigans! I found it very odd myself to see how he quoted CCFA.</p>
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