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	<title>Comments on: The QDrive: a &quot;radiation pressure imbalance&quot; drive for space&#160;travel</title>
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		<title>By: Mark Harrigan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/11/the-qdrive-a-radiation-pressure-imbalance-drive-for-space-travel.html#comment-1244263</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Harrigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 01:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cannae... as in &quot;she cannae take it cap&#039;n&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cannae&#8230; as in &#8220;she cannae take it cap&#8217;n&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: pjcamp</title>
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		<dc:creator>pjcamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 14:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting idea. I doubt it will work, but I&#039;d be happy to be proved wrong. Mach&#039;s principle (that inertial mass is determined entirely by interactions with the rest of the universe) was something Einstein tried to incorporate into General Relativity but it just wouldn&#039;t fit. That suggests to me that Mach&#039;s principle is probably wrong, though it doesn&#039;t prove anything. Our current understanding of the origin of inertial mass is through the Higgs boson, which has nothing to do with Mach&#039;s Principle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting idea. I doubt it will work, but I&#8217;d be happy to be proved wrong. Mach&#8217;s principle (that inertial mass is determined entirely by interactions with the rest of the universe) was something Einstein tried to incorporate into General Relativity but it just wouldn&#8217;t fit. That suggests to me that Mach&#8217;s principle is probably wrong, though it doesn&#8217;t prove anything. Our current understanding of the origin of inertial mass is through the Higgs boson, which has nothing to do with Mach&#8217;s Principle.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 01:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They admit right on the site that it overturns really fundamental conservation laws but they decided to announce it with a really slick website instead of, you know, a peer reviewed physics paper or something?  I would think a physicist with new physics would be trying to get people to replicate xir results.

It doesn&#039;t look like the Woodward effect (on which  &quot;mach effect propulsion&quot; mentioned in the comment above is allegedly based) has been widely replicated or accepted either.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They admit right on the site that it overturns really fundamental conservation laws but they decided to announce it with a really slick website instead of, you know, a peer reviewed physics paper or something?  I would think a physicist with new physics would be trying to get people to replicate xir results.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t look like the Woodward effect (on which  &#8220;mach effect propulsion&#8221; mentioned in the comment above is allegedly based) has been widely replicated or accepted either.  </p>
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		<title>By: Nenad Ilincic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nenad Ilincic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 23:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a professor at Cal. State working on similar device. The reasoning behind the momentum (conservation) is that it is indeed conserved, if one takes the whole universe into account, i.e. the rest of the universe is moving (infinitesimally) in the opposite direction. The name of the propulsion system is Mach Effect Propulsion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a professor at Cal. State working on similar device. The reasoning behind the momentum (conservation) is that it is indeed conserved, if one takes the whole universe into account, i.e. the rest of the universe is moving (infinitesimally) in the opposite direction. The name of the propulsion system is Mach Effect Propulsion.</p>
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		<title>By: OtherMichael</title>
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		<dc:creator>OtherMichael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;if so, what happened to N, O and P?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They were NOPerable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>if so, what happened to N, O and P?</p></blockquote>
<p>They were NOPerable.</p>
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		<title>By: Halloween_Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Halloween_Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that the real purpose of this device is to create a career for the &quot;inventor&quot; on the woo lecture circuit, where he&#039;ll entertain an audience of fellow cranks and slack-jawed fans of second-rate science fiction with his tales of how he almost invented warp drive, but The Man kept him down. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that the real purpose of this device is to create a career for the &#8220;inventor&#8221; on the woo lecture circuit, where he&#8217;ll entertain an audience of fellow cranks and slack-jawed fans of second-rate science fiction with his tales of how he almost invented warp drive, but The Man kept him down. </p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also doubles as a birth control pill holder</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Walsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These things show up every few years. For example, in the 1950s there was the 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Drive

Dean Drive, which supposedly provided momentary unidirectional force. If was even demonstrated on the popular TV show &quot;I&#039;ve Got a Secret&quot;, where the inventor placed the device on a common bathroom scale, and as we watched the gadget would momentarily register less weight. It was highly promoted by John C. Campbell, the editor of Astounding/Analog  SF Magazine, the man who also introduced the world to Scientology.

The video listed here shows the bathroom scale trick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtBvzCjpPcE
it seems obvious that what is really happening is that when the gadget generates is sudden shifts of momentum it is overwealming the scale&#039;s ability to register.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These things show up every few years. For example, in the 1950s there was the<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Drive" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Drive</a></p>
<p>Dean Drive, which supposedly provided momentary unidirectional force. If was even demonstrated on the popular TV show &#8220;I&#8217;ve Got a Secret&#8221;, where the inventor placed the device on a common bathroom scale, and as we watched the gadget would momentarily register less weight. It was highly promoted by John C. Campbell, the editor of Astounding/Analog  SF Magazine, the man who also introduced the world to Scientology.</p>
<p>The video listed here shows the bathroom scale trick.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtBvzCjpPcE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtBvzCjpPcE</a><br />
it seems obvious that what is really happening is that when the gadget generates is sudden shifts of momentum it is overwealming the scale&#8217;s ability to register.</p>
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		<title>By: tolkes</title>
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		<dc:creator>tolkes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is something very phallic about their logo</description>
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		<title>By: pjcamp</title>
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		<dc:creator>pjcamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reverse Casimir effect is real but has nothing to do with this device. What they describe is a resonant cavity much like the EmDrive.

Even if that were not the case, it still wouldn&#039;t work. Various Casimir-dependent devices have been proposed over the years. They don&#039;t work.

The Casimir effect is a weird byproduct of quantum field theory due to the face that the vacuum is simply the ground state of a field and, while it is the lowest possible energy of the field, it is not zero energy. That would violate the uncertainty principle. Furthermore, also because of the uncertainty principle, virtual particles emerge from and then vanish again into the vacuum all the time. They are called virtual because they don&#039;t exist long enough to be observed. Again, that would violate the uncertainty principle. 

So you create a Casimir force by creating boundary conditions for the vacuum. For example, you can put two plane mirrors facing each other. Since the electric field must go to zero on a reflective boundary, this reduces the number of allowed vacuum fluctuation states between the mirrors compared to the unbounded area outside. That in turn creates a tiny force pushing the mirrors together. Some clever guys in Scotland think they have come up with a way to jigger the process so that you can push things apart as well as together.

There are two problems with trying to use this for propulsion.

First, the force is truly tiny. It is proportional to Planck&#039;s constant, which is small to begin with, and inversely proportional to the fourth power of the plate separation, which means it diminishes rapidly with distance between the mirrors. That makes it far too small to use for propulsion over anything greater than nano distances.

Second, momentum is still conserved. Whether reverse or not, each mirror experiences an equal force in opposite directions all the time. That means that it is not functionally different from a regular rocket. You use some sort of force to throw mass out the back, therefore throwing yourself forward. The total momentum of the system is still zero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reverse Casimir effect is real but has nothing to do with this device. What they describe is a resonant cavity much like the EmDrive.</p>
<p>Even if that were not the case, it still wouldn&#8217;t work. Various Casimir-dependent devices have been proposed over the years. They don&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>The Casimir effect is a weird byproduct of quantum field theory due to the face that the vacuum is simply the ground state of a field and, while it is the lowest possible energy of the field, it is not zero energy. That would violate the uncertainty principle. Furthermore, also because of the uncertainty principle, virtual particles emerge from and then vanish again into the vacuum all the time. They are called virtual because they don&#8217;t exist long enough to be observed. Again, that would violate the uncertainty principle. </p>
<p>So you create a Casimir force by creating boundary conditions for the vacuum. For example, you can put two plane mirrors facing each other. Since the electric field must go to zero on a reflective boundary, this reduces the number of allowed vacuum fluctuation states between the mirrors compared to the unbounded area outside. That in turn creates a tiny force pushing the mirrors together. Some clever guys in Scotland think they have come up with a way to jigger the process so that you can push things apart as well as together.</p>
<p>There are two problems with trying to use this for propulsion.</p>
<p>First, the force is truly tiny. It is proportional to Planck&#8217;s constant, which is small to begin with, and inversely proportional to the fourth power of the plate separation, which means it diminishes rapidly with distance between the mirrors. That makes it far too small to use for propulsion over anything greater than nano distances.</p>
<p>Second, momentum is still conserved. Whether reverse or not, each mirror experiences an equal force in opposite directions all the time. That means that it is not functionally different from a regular rocket. You use some sort of force to throw mass out the back, therefore throwing yourself forward. The total momentum of the system is still zero.</p>
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		<title>By: pjcamp</title>
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		<dc:creator>pjcamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I didn&#039;t. Photons are quanta of the electromagnetic field. So when I talk about the EM field conserving momentum, that includes photons. 

Conserving momentum doesn&#039;t mean simply &quot;everything has momentum.&quot; What is means is that the total momentum of a system of interacting particles never changes. And momentum is a vector quantity. So if something acquires momentum in one direction, something else must have acquired momentum in the opposite direction. That isn&#039;t happening here (in fact, its sort of the point) so this thing violates a major tenet of physics that underlies very nearly everything we understand about the world. In over 300 years, not one single violation of momentum conservation has ever been observed. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I didn&#8217;t. Photons are quanta of the electromagnetic field. So when I talk about the EM field conserving momentum, that includes photons. </p>
<p>Conserving momentum doesn&#8217;t mean simply &#8220;everything has momentum.&#8221; What is means is that the total momentum of a system of interacting particles never changes. And momentum is a vector quantity. So if something acquires momentum in one direction, something else must have acquired momentum in the opposite direction. That isn&#8217;t happening here (in fact, its sort of the point) so this thing violates a major tenet of physics that underlies very nearly everything we understand about the world. In over 300 years, not one single violation of momentum conservation has ever been observed. </p>
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		<title>By: serpent</title>
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		<dc:creator>serpent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone else noticed the dark, deep, low key humming during the videos? </description>
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		<title>By: Peter Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure if anyone has posted the actual reason why this is wrong, but the creators have basically missed a term. From their &quot;Principles of Operation&quot; section:

&quot;In linear-accelerator applications, the EM electric-field energy is used to accelerate charged particles. After accelerating a charged particle (and increasing the charged particle&#039;s momentum), the EM wave retains a zero net momentum&quot;

This is wrong. The electromagnetic field has a momentum of its own (proportional to its energy). In accelerating the particle, the field has done work - so its energy must decrease, which means that its momentum must also decrease. The only way the field could retain zero  net momentum is if it also accelerates a particle in the opposite direction. Side-note: &quot;EM electric-field energy&quot; is a very strange thing to say.

In their device, even if the wave imparts some momentum to the cavity walls, it will be *exactly* balanced by the loss of momentum from the wave itself.  They don&#039;t give the right numbers or anything usual enough to actually check any of their calculations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure if anyone has posted the actual reason why this is wrong, but the creators have basically missed a term. From their &#8220;Principles of Operation&#8221; section:</p>
<p>&#8220;In linear-accelerator applications, the EM electric-field energy is used to accelerate charged particles. After accelerating a charged particle (and increasing the charged particle&#8217;s momentum), the EM wave retains a zero net momentum&#8221;</p>
<p>This is wrong. The electromagnetic field has a momentum of its own (proportional to its energy). In accelerating the particle, the field has done work &#8211; so its energy must decrease, which means that its momentum must also decrease. The only way the field could retain zero  net momentum is if it also accelerates a particle in the opposite direction. Side-note: &#8220;EM electric-field energy&#8221; is a very strange thing to say.</p>
<p>In their device, even if the wave imparts some momentum to the cavity walls, it will be *exactly* balanced by the loss of momentum from the wave itself.  They don&#8217;t give the right numbers or anything usual enough to actually check any of their calculations.</p>
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		<title>By: garyg2</title>
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		<dc:creator>garyg2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So it won&#039;t make the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs?</description>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 08:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very cool!  The limiting factor would be providing energy to the system, and making sure you don&#039;t lose your helium to fast.  Seems legit.</description>
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		<title>By: 3William56</title>
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		<dc:creator>3William56</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 05:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it obvious? The Interossiter&#039;s Dilithium Flux Capacitor clearly interacts with a resonance cascade in the  bloater drive warp core to distort a subspace anomaly quantum flux via a net imbalance of 1 point 21 jigawatts  in the etherical phlogiston density surrounding the epicycles resulting in... PROFIT!

Shame on those questioning the physics here. I believe this is already established as the practical power source of the beloved Nyan Cat.

Q is for Quack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it obvious? The Interossiter&#8217;s Dilithium Flux Capacitor clearly interacts with a resonance cascade in the  bloater drive warp core to distort a subspace anomaly quantum flux via a net imbalance of 1 point 21 jigawatts  in the etherical phlogiston density surrounding the epicycles resulting in&#8230; PROFIT!</p>
<p>Shame on those questioning the physics here. I believe this is already established as the practical power source of the beloved Nyan Cat.</p>
<p>Q is for Quack.</p>
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		<title>By: moosestudiospottery</title>
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		<dc:creator>moosestudiospottery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 05:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here is a consice explanation of how it works (spoof)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjxfAjAyp5k</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here is a consice explanation of how it works (spoof)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjxfAjAyp5k" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjxfAjAyp5k</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stefan Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefan Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 04:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait . . .  they&#039;re not claiming that Big Rocket is out to suppress their invention to ensure their monopoly on space travel? </description>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 04:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It runs on Chaos Magic.</description>
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		<title>By: Daniel Tose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Tose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 04:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that&#039;s mostly using the wrong term. In one of the other videos he says the device must be powered at a specific frequency so he isn&#039;t actually trying to claim the device is unpowered when he says it&#039;s unpowered. Alternatively, he&#039;s flat out pants on fire lying when he says that it&#039;s fuel-less. 

So once we&#039;ve determined that it must be powered, we need to determine if the thrust per kg of fuel is better than what is currently available. Since they don&#039;t directly answer this, the answer is pretty much certainly no. If they are trying to rely on solar panels to get the power, they run into the issue of more effective ways to redirect the energy of sunlight. 

General rule about claimed new technology. If a company is talking about both inventing something thought to be impossible and making millions off of applications of that technology, it&#039;s fake. They are looking to rip off investors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that&#8217;s mostly using the wrong term. In one of the other videos he says the device must be powered at a specific frequency so he isn&#8217;t actually trying to claim the device is unpowered when he says it&#8217;s unpowered. Alternatively, he&#8217;s flat out pants on fire lying when he says that it&#8217;s fuel-less. </p>
<p>So once we&#8217;ve determined that it must be powered, we need to determine if the thrust per kg of fuel is better than what is currently available. Since they don&#8217;t directly answer this, the answer is pretty much certainly no. If they are trying to rely on solar panels to get the power, they run into the issue of more effective ways to redirect the energy of sunlight. </p>
<p>General rule about claimed new technology. If a company is talking about both inventing something thought to be impossible and making millions off of applications of that technology, it&#8217;s fake. They are looking to rip off investors.</p>
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		<title>By: tyger11</title>
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		<dc:creator>tyger11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 03:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, they use terms like:

1) Obvious
2) Trivial
3) Left as an exercise for the reader,
or my favorite: 4) Beyond the scope of this course.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, they use terms like:</p>
<p>1) Obvious<br />
2) Trivial<br />
3) Left as an exercise for the reader,<br />
or my favorite: 4) Beyond the scope of this course.</p>
<p>:)</p>
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		<title>By: the lurch</title>
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		<dc:creator>the lurch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 03:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I call bullshit.  I&#039;m not a physicist, but you don&#039;t need to be.  Guido Fetta?  The man is a marketing guru (20 years experience!) , not an &quot;inventor&quot;.  His presentation was carefully crafted to sound authentic but he provides no real facts.  Unbalanced force?  Yep. Cash flows from the wallets of investors, with no net result.   Where do these people (and the gullible dopes that follow them) come from anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I call bullshit.  I&#8217;m not a physicist, but you don&#8217;t need to be.  Guido Fetta?  The man is a marketing guru (20 years experience!) , not an &#8220;inventor&#8221;.  His presentation was carefully crafted to sound authentic but he provides no real facts.  Unbalanced force?  Yep. Cash flows from the wallets of investors, with no net result.   Where do these people (and the gullible dopes that follow them) come from anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: An Infinitude of Tortoises</title>
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		<dc:creator>An Infinitude of Tortoises</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 03:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Destined, no doubt, to take its place alongside the Dean Drive.</description>
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		<title>By: HenryPootel</title>
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		<dc:creator>HenryPootel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 03:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s either modeled after one of those &quot;Sex in a CAT Scanner&quot; images, or Beavis.</description>
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		<title>By: Pierce Nichols</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierce Nichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 03:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey PJ, you forgot the bit where photons have momentum. Therefore, it doesn&#039;t violate conservation of momentum or relativity. It is, however, utterly impractical. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey PJ, you forgot the bit where photons have momentum. Therefore, it doesn&#8217;t violate conservation of momentum or relativity. It is, however, utterly impractical. </p>
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		<title>By: Shawn H Corey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn H Corey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s called the Reverse Casimir Effect. Yeah, it&#039;s real. Google it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s called the Reverse Casimir Effect. Yeah, it&#8217;s real. Google it.</p>
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		<title>By: ADM</title>
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		<dc:creator>ADM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. The patent documents do mention the Emdrive repeatedly by name -- but it&#039;s unclear whether he&#039;s calling the device &quot;Emdrive&quot; or just saying, the Emdrive is an example of such a device. I wonder who wrote all the text in the patent application.

BUT it looks like we don&#039;t need to pick it apart too much: amazingly, the folks at WIPO evaluated all the documentation themselves and issued a verdict in March 2008:

&quot;The claimed systems...allegedly operate in a manner clearly contrary to well-established physical laws and thus the invention cannot be carried out.&quot; They cite Encyclopedia Brittanica and the conservation of momentum.

See page 4 and 5: http://www.wipo.int/patentscope/search/docservicepdf_pct/id00000006155563</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. The patent documents do mention the Emdrive repeatedly by name &#8212; but it&#8217;s unclear whether he&#8217;s calling the device &#8220;Emdrive&#8221; or just saying, the Emdrive is an example of such a device. I wonder who wrote all the text in the patent application.</p>
<p>BUT it looks like we don&#8217;t need to pick it apart too much: amazingly, the folks at WIPO evaluated all the documentation themselves and issued a verdict in March 2008:</p>
<p>&#8220;The claimed systems&#8230;allegedly operate in a manner clearly contrary to well-established physical laws and thus the invention cannot be carried out.&#8221; They cite Encyclopedia Brittanica and the conservation of momentum.</p>
<p>See page 4 and 5: http://www.wipo.int/patentscope/search/docservicepdf_pct/id00000006155563</p>
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		<title>By: ndarnton</title>
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		<dc:creator>ndarnton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 01:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another physicist calling BS on this.

Whether it&#039;s called the EM-drive or something else, this device unquestionably violates conservation of momentum.  The spontaneous acceleration of a *closed* device is not consistent with physics as it is currently understood.  If you emit something out the &quot;tailpipe&quot; (be it ions or electromagnetic radiation) that&#039;s another story, but no closed system can change its own momentum simply by interacting with itself.  I should confess that there are non-standard (read: highly speculative with no evidence that they correspond to reality) mechanisms for this type of phenomenon.  However, I believe that this device is supposed to have been designed (and analyzed) according to the normal laws of physics: if so, it cannot work as claimed because it would violate conservation of momentum (and probably relativity), which are built into all standard laws of physics.I use the EM-drive as an example of a violation of Newton&#039;s third law (the action-reaction one) in my intro physics class.  They can make the design complicated enough that no reputable physicist is willing to wade through the analysis to find their errors, but that doesn&#039;t mean there isn&#039;t an error in there somewhere.  That&#039;s the beauty of a conservation law: I don&#039;t need to examine every detail to know that momentum cannot be created out of nothing. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another physicist calling BS on this.</p>
<p>Whether it&#8217;s called the EM-drive or something else, this device unquestionably violates conservation of momentum.  The spontaneous acceleration of a *closed* device is not consistent with physics as it is currently understood.  If you emit something out the &#8220;tailpipe&#8221; (be it ions or electromagnetic radiation) that&#8217;s another story, but no closed system can change its own momentum simply by interacting with itself.  I should confess that there are non-standard (read: highly speculative with no evidence that they correspond to reality) mechanisms for this type of phenomenon.  However, I believe that this device is supposed to have been designed (and analyzed) according to the normal laws of physics: if so, it cannot work as claimed because it would violate conservation of momentum (and probably relativity), which are built into all standard laws of physics.I use the EM-drive as an example of a violation of Newton&#8217;s third law (the action-reaction one) in my intro physics class.  They can make the design complicated enough that no reputable physicist is willing to wade through the analysis to find their errors, but that doesn&#8217;t mean there isn&#8217;t an error in there somewhere.  That&#8217;s the beauty of a conservation law: I don&#8217;t need to examine every detail to know that momentum cannot be created out of nothing. </p>
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		<title>By: kP</title>
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		<dc:creator>kP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 01:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Steorn by any other name....</description>
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		<title>By: pjcamp</title>
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		<dc:creator>pjcamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 01:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Physicist here.

Yes, this is bullshit. It is essentially a variation on the EmDrive, which Wikipedia has a minimal article on.

The trouble is that conservation of momentum is a direct consequence of translational invariance of the Lagrangian (via Noether&#039;s Theorem), which the Lagrangian of the electromagnetic field satisfies. So no electromagnetic phenomena can possibly generate non-zero total momentum in the entire system of interacting objects if they started with zero total momentum. Translational invariance is so deeply embedded in the structure of electromagnetic theory that it is pretty well inconceivable that it would be violated. It is an essential property of Maxwell&#039;s equations, as well as quantum electrodynamics and the electroweak unified field theory. Without it, about 200 years of physical theory and experiment falls apart.

It also violates the principle of relativity since it would require the total energy of the universe to be a frame dependent quantity. In fact, energy could only be conserved in at most one reference frame since in any other frame the kinetic energy of the ship would differ from the energy expended by the ship.

This is also an idea deeply embedded in centuries of physics theory and experiment. Conservation of energy is a consequence of time invariance of the Lagrangian (Noether again), which the electromagnetic Lagrangian does satisfy. If it did not, Maxwell&#039;s equations would vary in form over time.

And am I the only one who thinks that Q is excessively excited?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Physicist here.</p>
<p>Yes, this is bullshit. It is essentially a variation on the EmDrive, which Wikipedia has a minimal article on.</p>
<p>The trouble is that conservation of momentum is a direct consequence of translational invariance of the Lagrangian (via Noether&#8217;s Theorem), which the Lagrangian of the electromagnetic field satisfies. So no electromagnetic phenomena can possibly generate non-zero total momentum in the entire system of interacting objects if they started with zero total momentum. Translational invariance is so deeply embedded in the structure of electromagnetic theory that it is pretty well inconceivable that it would be violated. It is an essential property of Maxwell&#8217;s equations, as well as quantum electrodynamics and the electroweak unified field theory. Without it, about 200 years of physical theory and experiment falls apart.</p>
<p>It also violates the principle of relativity since it would require the total energy of the universe to be a frame dependent quantity. In fact, energy could only be conserved in at most one reference frame since in any other frame the kinetic energy of the ship would differ from the energy expended by the ship.</p>
<p>This is also an idea deeply embedded in centuries of physics theory and experiment. Conservation of energy is a consequence of time invariance of the Lagrangian (Noether again), which the electromagnetic Lagrangian does satisfy. If it did not, Maxwell&#8217;s equations would vary in form over time.</p>
<p>And am I the only one who thinks that Q is excessively excited?</p>
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