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	<title>Comments on: Did an NYPD officer run over this National Lawyers Guild legal observer with a scooter at Occupy Wall&#160;Street?</title>
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		<title>By: jere7my</title>
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		<dc:creator>jere7my</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 03:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lacerations&quot; is a very broad term, especially when used by a non-medical professional. You can judge for yourself how serious his injuries look in the various photos and videos — he is not, for instance, visibly bleeding. It looks like his face got a bit of road rash as he was being apprehended.

Ari Douglas is fine. His lawyer has now told us nothing was broken, and offered no good reason, beyond theatrics, why he was screaming his head off like someone in unimaginable agony: &quot;It&#039;s clear that he was in distress, that he was trying to get away.&quot; She has all but admitted that he placed his leg under the motorcycle on purpose, and the videos agree. If he was hit by the scooter, it was a low-velocity nudge of the front wheel against the wedge of his foot, and while that may technically count as battery he was not seriously injured. Ari Douglas is frankly an embarrassment to the OWS movement, and the faster we move on from him the better.

It does OWS no good — and I am a staunch supporter of OWS — to adopt a &quot;Down with pigs&quot; message. People like cops. People rely on cops. Cops are among those being screwed by Wall Street shenanigans and anti-union maneuvering. Many cops are sympathetic with the movement. While real abuses should of course be spotlighted, we should not assume bad faith on the part of the police, should not make them into the enemy. Conservatives would like nothing more than for public perception of OWS to shift from &quot;Common folk who are fed up with the super-rich&quot; to &quot;Dirty hippie anarchists who don&#039;t like authority,&quot; and making it all about the inevitable friction with law enforcement that comes with any large protest is a great way to help that along. Remember who the bad guys are: the ones looking down on cops and protesters alike from their balconies and skyscraper windows.

(Also: I&#039;m gonna say this right now. Do &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; do a Google Image search for [lacerations] to see what they look like. Seriously.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lacerations&#8221; is a very broad term, especially when used by a non-medical professional. You can judge for yourself how serious his injuries look in the various photos and videos — he is not, for instance, visibly bleeding. It looks like his face got a bit of road rash as he was being apprehended.</p>
<p>Ari Douglas is fine. His lawyer has now told us nothing was broken, and offered no good reason, beyond theatrics, why he was screaming his head off like someone in unimaginable agony: &#8220;It&#8217;s clear that he was in distress, that he was trying to get away.&#8221; She has all but admitted that he placed his leg under the motorcycle on purpose, and the videos agree. If he was hit by the scooter, it was a low-velocity nudge of the front wheel against the wedge of his foot, and while that may technically count as battery he was not seriously injured. Ari Douglas is frankly an embarrassment to the OWS movement, and the faster we move on from him the better.</p>
<p>It does OWS no good — and I am a staunch supporter of OWS — to adopt a &#8220;Down with pigs&#8221; message. People like cops. People rely on cops. Cops are among those being screwed by Wall Street shenanigans and anti-union maneuvering. Many cops are sympathetic with the movement. While real abuses should of course be spotlighted, we should not assume bad faith on the part of the police, should not make them into the enemy. Conservatives would like nothing more than for public perception of OWS to shift from &#8220;Common folk who are fed up with the super-rich&#8221; to &#8220;Dirty hippie anarchists who don&#8217;t like authority,&#8221; and making it all about the inevitable friction with law enforcement that comes with any large protest is a great way to help that along. Remember who the bad guys are: the ones looking down on cops and protesters alike from their balconies and skyscraper windows.</p>
<p>(Also: I&#8217;m gonna say this right now. Do <i>not</i> do a Google Image search for [lacerations] to see what they look like. Seriously.)</p>
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		<title>By: jere7my</title>
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		<dc:creator>jere7my</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 03:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless, his lawyer has now told us that his injuries were minor — nothing was broken. So the point is moot.

[Edit: if you like, here&#039;s a news story describing someone&#039;s leg being run over without being broken: http://www.gloucestertimes.com/local/x645313972/Wife-arrested-for-driving-cab-over-husbands-leg That fits with my intuition — most of the time a car&#039;ll break your leg, but there are exceptions. It&#039;s not as simple as 4000 lbs. ÷ 4 = broken leg; cars have suspensions, their fronts are heavier than their backs, etc.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless, his lawyer has now told us that his injuries were minor — nothing was broken. So the point is moot.</p>
<p>[Edit: if you like, here's a news story describing someone's leg being run over without being broken: <a href="http://www.gloucestertimes.com/local/x645313972/Wife-arrested-for-driving-cab-over-husbands-leg" rel="nofollow">http://www.gloucestertimes.com/local/x645313972/Wife-arrested-for-driving-cab-over-husbands-leg</a> That fits with my intuition — most of the time a car'll break your leg, but there are exceptions. It's not as simple as 4000 lbs. ÷ 4 = broken leg; cars have suspensions, their fronts are heavier than their backs, etc.]</p>
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		<title>By: Diogenes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diogenes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then you won&#039;t mind having a car drive over your shin, right?  Wrong.  
  
Same force, different structure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then you won&#8217;t mind having a car drive over your shin, right?  Wrong. <br />
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Same force, different structure.</p>
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		<title>By: Diogenes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diogenes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, which is why I referred to a tire putting 1000 lbs of weight on his leg.  4ooo lbs divided by 4 tires equals 1000 lbs per tire.
 
A foot is not a leg.  One is much better suited to resist compression.  Try having a buddy stand on your foot, then have him stand on your shin. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, which is why I referred to a tire putting 1000 lbs of weight on his leg.  4ooo lbs divided by 4 tires equals 1000 lbs per tire.<br />
 <br />
A foot is not a leg.  One is much better suited to resist compression.  Try having a buddy stand on your foot, then have him stand on your shin. </p>
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		<title>By: donovan acree</title>
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		<dc:creator>donovan acree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lacerations? That&#039;s fairly serious. How did he get lacerations on his face?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lacerations? That&#8217;s fairly serious. How did he get lacerations on his face?</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Lawyer&#039;s comment
Well... He was creating a disturbance, interfering with a police officer and damage to police property. That seems enough license to arrest him. 

On the other hand, the police seem to have been rather rough while pinning him.

I&#039;ve tested the shoelace theory with a similar scooter and it is possible to trap a lace under the rear tire by stretching the full lace out and carefully positioning the tire, but that&#039;s no excuse for kicking the scooter over.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Lawyer&#8217;s comment<br />
Well&#8230; He was creating a disturbance, interfering with a police officer and damage to police property. That seems enough license to arrest him. </p>
<p>On the other hand, the police seem to have been rather rough while pinning him.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tested the shoelace theory with a similar scooter and it is possible to trap a lace under the rear tire by stretching the full lace out and carefully positioning the tire, but that&#8217;s no excuse for kicking the scooter over.</p>
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		<title>By: jere7my</title>
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		<dc:creator>jere7my</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 17:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update: According to Ari Douglas&#039;s lawyer, Yetta Kurland, he didn&#039;t break any bones: &quot;[he was treated for] lacerations to his entire face and injuries to his legs and feet. Luckily nothing was broken.&quot;

She also said, &quot;Even if he did place his leg underneath the scooter, it does not give 
the police a license to pin him down and charge him with felony criminal
 mischief and resisting arrest.&quot;

http://gothamist.com/2011/10/15/attorney_for_legal_observer_hit_by.php
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update: According to Ari Douglas&#8217;s lawyer, Yetta Kurland, he didn&#8217;t break any bones: &#8220;[he was treated for] lacerations to his entire face and injuries to his legs and feet. Luckily nothing was broken.&#8221;</p>
<p>She also said, &#8220;Even if he did place his leg underneath the scooter, it does not give<br />
the police a license to pin him down and charge him with felony criminal<br />
 mischief and resisting arrest.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://gothamist.com/2011/10/15/attorney_for_legal_observer_hit_by.php" rel="nofollow">http://gothamist.com/2011/10/15/attorney_for_legal_observer_hit_by.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I know, NYPD rides Piaggio BV200 scooters, which this appears to be. (Scooter #321, that seems like an omen.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I know, NYPD rides Piaggio BV200 scooters, which this appears to be. (Scooter #321, that seems like an omen.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Piaggio BV200 has a dry weight of 359 lbs. Add fuel and cop weight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Piaggio BV200 has a dry weight of 359 lbs. Add fuel and cop weight.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scooters have small tight tires. Believe me, you&#039;d know if you rolled over a leg, and at slow speed it wouldn&#039;t even happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scooters have small tight tires. Believe me, you&#8217;d know if you rolled over a leg, and at slow speed it wouldn&#8217;t even happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister44</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do realize that the whole 4000lb isn&#039;t pressing down your leg/foot at once, right?  I&#039;ve known 2 people who had their foot run over and were fine. Of course, YMMV, and your foot/leg could break or worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do realize that the whole 4000lb isn&#8217;t pressing down your leg/foot at once, right?  I&#8217;ve known 2 people who had their foot run over and were fine. Of course, YMMV, and your foot/leg could break or worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hell, I do it all the time...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hell, I do it all the time&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t watch that more than once.</description>
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		<title>By: dragonfrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>dragonfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of what you think happened to him viz the scooter, one thing is clear - at 0:22 in that video, you see a cop wind up to hit him with a nightstick - doesn&#039;t look like he hits him, maybe realizing how many cameras are on him, but it shows what the mentality of the cops on the scene is:  The penalty for lying on the ground writhing in pain is to be beaten on the spot.

Or perhaps it&#039;s the preferred medical intervention - prior case history has shown that sufficient application of nightsticks leads to the patient stopping writhing.  Clearly battery is an effective analgesic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of what you think happened to him viz the scooter, one thing is clear &#8211; at 0:22 in that video, you see a cop wind up to hit him with a nightstick &#8211; doesn&#8217;t look like he hits him, maybe realizing how many cameras are on him, but it shows what the mentality of the cops on the scene is:  The penalty for lying on the ground writhing in pain is to be beaten on the spot.</p>
<p>Or perhaps it&#8217;s the preferred medical intervention &#8211; prior case history has shown that sufficient application of nightsticks leads to the patient stopping writhing.  Clearly battery is an effective analgesic.</p>
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		<title>By: jere7my</title>
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		<dc:creator>jere7my</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;2 tons equals 4000 lbs.  You had a thousand pound tire roll over your leg &quot;and it didn&#039;t hurt a bit&quot;?&lt;/i&gt;

I had a car drive over my foot and it didn&#039;t hurt a bit. *shrug* </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>2 tons equals 4000 lbs.  You had a thousand pound tire roll over your leg &#8220;and it didn&#8217;t hurt a bit&#8221;?</i></p>
<p>I had a car drive over my foot and it didn&#8217;t hurt a bit. *shrug* </p>
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		<title>By: PapayaSF</title>
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		<dc:creator>PapayaSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do know that the charges of &quot;communist&quot; against the NLG weren&#039;t just mudslinging, don&#039;t you? They were pretty much a classic example of a communist front group (at least back in the days of Stalin).

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6162

More recently, longtime NLG member Lynne Stewart was convicted of aiding terrorists. In short, don&#039;t get the impression that they are just ACLU liberals. I would not at all put it beyond an NLG lawyer to fake an injury for political purposes. (In the Vimeo clip it sure looks like he faked it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do know that the charges of &#8220;communist&#8221; against the NLG weren&#8217;t just mudslinging, don&#8217;t you? They were pretty much a classic example of a communist front group (at least back in the days of Stalin).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6162" rel="nofollow">http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6162</a></p>
<p>More recently, longtime NLG member Lynne Stewart was convicted of aiding terrorists. In short, don&#8217;t get the impression that they are just ACLU liberals. I would not at all put it beyond an NLG lawyer to fake an injury for political purposes. (In the Vimeo clip it sure looks like he faked it.)</p>
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		<title>By: Diogenes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diogenes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 18:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2 tons equals 4000 lbs.  You had a thousand pound tire roll over your leg &quot;and it didn&#039;t hurt a bit&quot;?  
  
Are you Long John Silver, or allergic to the truth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 tons equals 4000 lbs.  You had a thousand pound tire roll over your leg &#8220;and it didn&#8217;t hurt a bit&#8221;? <br />
 <br />
Are you Long John Silver, or allergic to the truth?</p>
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		<title>By: Diogenes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diogenes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 18:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lost it&#039;s relevance?  I think exposing corrupt cops thugging for banksters is as relevant is it gets.  I have no interest in debating with robber barons and corporate thieves.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lost it&#8217;s relevance?  I think exposing corrupt cops thugging for banksters is as relevant is it gets.  I have no interest in debating with robber barons and corporate thieves.  </p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why aren&#039;t they releasing news about his condition?</description>
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		<title>By: l e</title>
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		<dc:creator>l e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>come you know that running people over on mopeds and motorcycles is specific tactic of the police, its happened in rnc 2004, in new york a few weeks ago, in the la police riot...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>come you know that running people over on mopeds and motorcycles is specific tactic of the police, its happened in rnc 2004, in new york a few weeks ago, in the la police riot&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: urbanspaceman</title>
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		<dc:creator>urbanspaceman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I recall, the National Lawyers Guild was listed as a &quot;communist&quot; organization during the McCarthy era. ACLU observers were sometimes referred to as &quot;communists&quot; by drug-bust-happy police in the 1970s (I&#039;m thinking of incidents at the Nassau Coliseum as reported by Rolling Stone or some such).

In other words, same as it ever was.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I recall, the National Lawyers Guild was listed as a &#8220;communist&#8221; organization during the McCarthy era. ACLU observers were sometimes referred to as &#8220;communists&#8221; by drug-bust-happy police in the 1970s (I&#8217;m thinking of incidents at the Nassau Coliseum as reported by Rolling Stone or some such).</p>
<p>In other words, same as it ever was.</p>
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		<title>By: MrMarieBlanc</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrMarieBlanc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 14:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess it could be staged, but I would be scared shitless trying to stage something like this! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess it could be staged, but I would be scared shitless trying to stage something like this! </p>
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		<title>By: Max Meyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 14:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chiming in with those who say it looks hinky. Who gets knocked to the ground by a scooter traveling at less than walking speed? The two different times when you can see him with his leg anywhere near the wheels, his leg is both free of and in front of them, and if he moves his leg at all it&#039;s *towards* the wheel. AND he makes no effort to kick the scooter off his supposedly injured leg.

There are plenty of clear-cut instances of police officers gone wild in protest situations like this. This is not one of them, and makes other more credible instances seem questionable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chiming in with those who say it looks hinky. Who gets knocked to the ground by a scooter traveling at less than walking speed? The two different times when you can see him with his leg anywhere near the wheels, his leg is both free of and in front of them, and if he moves his leg at all it&#8217;s *towards* the wheel. AND he makes no effort to kick the scooter off his supposedly injured leg.</p>
<p>There are plenty of clear-cut instances of police officers gone wild in protest situations like this. This is not one of them, and makes other more credible instances seem questionable.</p>
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		<title>By: MarcVader</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarcVader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 13:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the Vimeo video I think you can see that he is already screaming, writhing and in pain before his leg is under the wheels. His legs are really really close to the heavy looking scooter&#039;s wheels though. The cop instead of paying extra attention to not hurt this guy (whom he possibly just knocked over a few seconds earlier) just drives on. A few seconds later the scooter stops with its second wheel on the guys right foot or leg. The cop reacts by getting off the scooter and starting to chase the surrounding people away, ignoring the injured man on the ground, leaving the scooter&#039;s wheel on the poor guy! Next I can see the scooter is lying on the side, away from the injured man. A group of cops is aggressively arresting the man, flipping him over on his stomach, paying no attention to his leg whatsoever. Just doing it ruthlessly (and as quickly as posssible, I guess). Ouchgoddammit!

http://vimeo.com/30550909</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the Vimeo video I think you can see that he is already screaming, writhing and in pain before his leg is under the wheels. His legs are really really close to the heavy looking scooter&#8217;s wheels though. The cop instead of paying extra attention to not hurt this guy (whom he possibly just knocked over a few seconds earlier) just drives on. A few seconds later the scooter stops with its second wheel on the guys right foot or leg. The cop reacts by getting off the scooter and starting to chase the surrounding people away, ignoring the injured man on the ground, leaving the scooter&#8217;s wheel on the poor guy! Next I can see the scooter is lying on the side, away from the injured man. A group of cops is aggressively arresting the man, flipping him over on his stomach, paying no attention to his leg whatsoever. Just doing it ruthlessly (and as quickly as posssible, I guess). Ouchgoddammit!</p>
<p><a href="http://vimeo.com/30550909" rel="nofollow">http://vimeo.com/30550909</a></p>
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		<title>By: bkad</title>
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		<dc:creator>bkad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 13:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;People don&#039;t realize how little a demonstration in DC is worth, though. Bureaucrats don&#039;t care who&#039;s chanting in front of their buildings. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Probably they are used to it. Habituation is probably the greatest risk to the protest. I&#039;ve worked in places where there are all always a handful of protesters about protesting something or another. I can tell you, you walk by protesters every day, you stop noticing them after a while. Occupy is not a &#039;small number of people&#039;, though, so different rules apply. That said, while BoingBoing is covering the heck out of this event, most of the other news sources have dropped back to only one story a day or so. Which is fine -- certainly there&#039;s other stuff going on the world -- but it may not be great for the protesters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>People don&#8217;t realize how little a demonstration in DC is worth, though. Bureaucrats don&#8217;t care who&#8217;s chanting in front of their buildings. </p></blockquote>
<p>Probably they are used to it. Habituation is probably the greatest risk to the protest. I&#8217;ve worked in places where there are all always a handful of protesters about protesting something or another. I can tell you, you walk by protesters every day, you stop noticing them after a while. Occupy is not a &#8216;small number of people&#8217;, though, so different rules apply. That said, while BoingBoing is covering the heck out of this event, most of the other news sources have dropped back to only one story a day or so. Which is fine &#8212; certainly there&#8217;s other stuff going on the world &#8212; but it may not be great for the protesters.</p>
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		<title>By: Daemonworks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daemonworks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 10:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hard to say either way.

But it certainly looks like a helmetted officer is swinging a baton at him at about 0:20...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hard to say either way.</p>
<p>But it certainly looks like a helmetted officer is swinging a baton at him at about 0:20&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bersl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bersl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 09:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of whether its fake or not, the very fact that there is the continued specter of a large and hostile police presence is creating an environment ripe for these sorts of events.

I don&#039;t see how this is a winning strategy for the cops at all, nor for politicians, nor for the corporations being protested. I mean, whoever is ultimately pulling the strings, they aren&#039;t even acting rationally self-interested, which is the most un-1% thing I can imagine. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of whether its fake or not, the very fact that there is the continued specter of a large and hostile police presence is creating an environment ripe for these sorts of events.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how this is a winning strategy for the cops at all, nor for politicians, nor for the corporations being protested. I mean, whoever is ultimately pulling the strings, they aren&#8217;t even acting rationally self-interested, which is the most un-1% thing I can imagine. :P</p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 08:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;ve had my leg run over by a 2-ton car and it didn&#039;t hurt a bit&lt;/blockquote&gt;
YouTube video or it didn&#039;t happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I&#8217;ve had my leg run over by a 2-ton car and it didn&#8217;t hurt a bit</p></blockquote>
<p>YouTube video or it didn&#8217;t happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Hans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 07:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Not a lawyer but purty shure it&#039;s illegal to lie down in the street as well.
That is an interesting point.  If someone were lying in the street, it would still be illegal to run over them intentionally.  Generally, the use of a vehicle as a weapon is considered deadly force.  I have never heard of a case involving a scooter, but with other vehicles police and prosecutors have claimed driving at someone is assault with a deadly weapon.  To be a legitimate use of force, the police would need to describe a threat posed by those in the street to justify a threat of deadly force.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Not a lawyer but purty shure it&#8217;s illegal to lie down in the street as well.<br />
That is an interesting point.  If someone were lying in the street, it would still be illegal to run over them intentionally.  Generally, the use of a vehicle as a weapon is considered deadly force.  I have never heard of a case involving a scooter, but with other vehicles police and prosecutors have claimed driving at someone is assault with a deadly weapon.  To be a legitimate use of force, the police would need to describe a threat posed by those in the street to justify a threat of deadly force.  </p>
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		<title>By: That_Anonymous_Coward</title>
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		<dc:creator>That_Anonymous_Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 07:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or if he had other injuries that looked scooter related, ignore any night stick blows as he was taken to the precinct and questioned before they decided to have any medical treatment.

Of course the problem is NYPD said they never pepper sprayed people, then they only happened to get the women while targeting phantom men, then it was isolated as the same crazed cop randomly sprayed more people on the street, and once the public review board saw the tapes and said they were investigating suddenly NYPD decided maybe it was something that needed an internal investigation.

It is hard to believe either side, but given how much the NYPD has done on camera they they then deny I&#039;d believe the runover/hit person over NYPD until more detail came out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or if he had other injuries that looked scooter related, ignore any night stick blows as he was taken to the precinct and questioned before they decided to have any medical treatment.</p>
<p>Of course the problem is NYPD said they never pepper sprayed people, then they only happened to get the women while targeting phantom men, then it was isolated as the same crazed cop randomly sprayed more people on the street, and once the public review board saw the tapes and said they were investigating suddenly NYPD decided maybe it was something that needed an internal investigation.</p>
<p>It is hard to believe either side, but given how much the NYPD has done on camera they they then deny I&#8217;d believe the runover/hit person over NYPD until more detail came out.</p>
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