Comments on: Mace-in-the-face NYPD officer "broke pepper-spray rules" at Occupy Wall Street. Punishment: "loss of vacation time." http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Thu, 23 May 2013 03:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Michael Crumpton http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1248667 Michael Crumpton Thu, 20 Oct 2011 23:55:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1248667 The cop is part of the asshole section of the 99% The cop is part of the asshole section of the 99%

]]> By: Michael Crumpton http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1248660 Michael Crumpton Thu, 20 Oct 2011 23:50:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1248660 I am pretty sure if one of the protestors had sprayed a cop with pepper spray they would have gotten a far worse sentence, if they lived until the trial. I am pretty sure if one of the protestors had sprayed a cop with pepper spray they would have gotten a far worse sentence, if they lived until the trial.

]]> By: Moriarty http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1247793 Moriarty Thu, 20 Oct 2011 03:31:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1247793 "If you're an anything you don't speak for 99% of people.  Don't be a jackass" Indeed. Only a jackass would claim to speak for "the 99%." Wait... “If you’re an anything you don’t speak for 99% of people.  Don’t be a jackass”

Indeed. Only a jackass would claim to speak for “the 99%.”

Wait…

]]> By: AirPillo http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1247566 AirPillo Wed, 19 Oct 2011 22:31:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1247566 Can someone help me find the correct contact at the NYPD to arrange trading my vacation days for the chance to assault officer Bologna? I've going about this all wrong, all my life. I never assaulted anyone even if I might have wanted to, because I thought I'd be arrested for it. Now, today, I learn that you only get arrested for it unless you can barter some trivial thing for it. I'm gonna beat the shit out of so many people, now! Can someone help me find the correct contact at the NYPD to arrange trading my vacation days for the chance to assault officer Bologna?

I’ve going about this all wrong, all my life. I never assaulted anyone even if I might have wanted to, because I thought I’d be arrested for it.

Now, today, I learn that you only get arrested for it unless you can barter some trivial thing for it. I’m gonna beat the shit out of so many people, now!

]]> By: benenglish http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1247531 benenglish Wed, 19 Oct 2011 22:01:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1247531 Law enforcement pay in NYC is an odd subject.  I'm retired from a federal TLA that had to give major, specially authorized bumps in pay to attract *anyone* to a Special Agent job in the city.  For our guys, the job pretty much required you live fairly close to your work and cases, at least close enough to get to the office or stake-out in a short period of time.  Thus, no one who rode heavy rail commuter trains from far away could do the job.  You had to live, at most, a short subway ride from the office.  Even that was considered an inconvenience; it's always best if an SA has their own car and can go directly to a scene following a cell call and arrive quickly. Bottom line - we needed Special Agents who actually lived in the city and couldn't get any.  With a 28.72% bump in pay based on location, starting SAs in New York make $43,738.  After a year, that goes to $53,500. I hear it's hard to live in the city on that amount of money.  Even with mandatory overtime, a Special Agent makes only a touch over 130% of the figures cited above. Last I heard, we pay enough to keep the positions filled but we don't exactly get the best and brightest to start their careers with us in NYC. I'm not surprised that officer Tony, given his years on the job, is making close to $200K. Law enforcement pay in NYC is an odd subject.  I’m retired from a federal TLA that had to give major, specially authorized bumps in pay to attract *anyone* to a Special Agent job in the city.  For our guys, the job pretty much required you live fairly close to your work and cases, at least close enough to get to the office or stake-out in a short period of time.  Thus, no one who rode heavy rail commuter trains from far away could do the job.  You had to live, at most, a short subway ride from the office.  Even that was considered an inconvenience; it’s always best if an SA has their own car and can go directly to a scene following a cell call and arrive quickly.

Bottom line – we needed Special Agents who actually lived in the city and couldn’t get any.  With a 28.72% bump in pay based on location, starting SAs in New York make $43,738.  After a year, that goes to $53,500.

I hear it’s hard to live in the city on that amount of money.  Even with mandatory overtime, a Special Agent makes only a touch over 130% of the figures cited above.

Last I heard, we pay enough to keep the positions filled but we don’t exactly get the best and brightest to start their careers with us in NYC.

I’m not surprised that officer Tony, given his years on the job, is making close to $200K.

]]> By: Lachlan Musicman http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1247470 Lachlan Musicman Wed, 19 Oct 2011 21:13:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1247470 Exactly. Thanks for being eloquent/a translator Exactly. Thanks for being eloquent/a translator

]]> By: Lachlan Musicman http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1247324 Lachlan Musicman Wed, 19 Oct 2011 20:01:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1247324 heh. I also know I speak for no other anarchists, it's a funny political theory like that :) heh. I also know I speak for no other anarchists, it’s a funny political theory like that :)

]]> By: Daniel http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1247305 Daniel Wed, 19 Oct 2011 19:51:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1247305 If you're an anything you don't speak for 99% of people.  Don't be a jackass. If you’re an anything you don’t speak for 99% of people.  Don’t be a jackass.

]]> By: Jim Saul http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1247230 Jim Saul Wed, 19 Oct 2011 19:17:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1247230 Point well taken, considering perps like Summers, Rubin, and Geitner. Point well taken, considering perps like Summers, Rubin, and Geitner.

]]> By: Mister44 http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1247178 Mister44 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 18:42:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1247178 I thought $80K was crazy high. I was wrong. According to this he probably makes over $170-190K a year. A cop 5 years on the job makes $90K. I guess the cost of living is a lot higher in NYC, but I looked into police work in my area and it wasn't any where close to that. Hell - my wife who has a law degree  and her friend who is a doctor don't make that combined! Source - the roll over thing is screwy  - just keep clicking and read it as the info flashes on and off. http://nypdrecruit.com/benefits-salary/promotional-opportunities I thought $80K was crazy high. I was wrong. According to this he probably makes over $170-190K a year. A cop 5 years on the job makes $90K. I guess the cost of living is a lot higher in NYC, but I looked into police work in my area and it wasn’t any where close to that. Hell – my wife who has a law degree  and her friend who is a doctor don’t make that combined!

Source – the roll over thing is screwy  – just keep clicking and read it as the info flashes on and off. http://nypdrecruit.com/benefits-salary/promotional-opportunities

]]> By: Mister44 http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1247149 Mister44 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 18:07:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1247149 re: "a few thousand dedicated wanna-be power players in <strike>republican</strike> politics," Fixed that for you. re: “a few thousand dedicated wanna-be power players in republican politics,”

Fixed that for you.

]]> By: 106milesite http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1247126 106milesite Wed, 19 Oct 2011 17:43:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1247126 Worth doing some math here.  I haven't the foggiest how much he gets paid, but at his rank, he's probably making in excess of $80K/year.  Probably a lot more, but I'll go with $80K for this exercise.  That's roughly $40/hour.  $320/day.  So it works out to a $3200 penalty if the ten day loss of vacation days stands up after whatever appeals he makes.  The likelihood is that he has vacation days banked that he'll cash in for a lump sum when he retires, so the loss of vacation days for him will effectively be a a $3200 penalty.   Worth doing some math here.  I haven’t the foggiest how much he gets paid, but at his rank, he’s probably making in excess of $80K/year.  Probably a lot more, but I’ll go with $80K for this exercise.  That’s roughly $40/hour.  $320/day.  So it works out to a $3200 penalty if the ten day loss of vacation days stands up after whatever appeals he makes.  The likelihood is that he has vacation days banked that he’ll cash in for a lump sum when he retires, so the loss of vacation days for him will effectively be a a $3200 penalty.  

]]> By: Jim Saul http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1247101 Jim Saul Wed, 19 Oct 2011 17:25:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1247101 While I agree with your general points, <i>"0% of the 1% are involved in the protests"</i> is definitely not true. Here's one - Naomi Wolf being arrested last night: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/19/naomi-wolf-arrested-occupy-wall-street It's a fantastic and useful slogan, but don't forget that the reality is that the majority of even those at the top are in support of the movement.  Many of those participating on this discussion, on this blog are in the top 1% of earners. I definitely want to see them keep using the slogan for its simplicity and power, but stay aware that the "other side" is basically a few dozen wingnut oligarchs, a few thousand dedicated wanna-be power players in republican politics, about 17% of the population who share an authoritarian mindset, and another 20% who side with the oligarchs out of either stockholm syndrome, aspirational magical thinking, or simple unthinking team/fan loyalty. While I agree with your general points, “0% of the 1% are involved in the protests” is definitely not true.

Here’s one – Naomi Wolf being arrested last night:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/19/naomi-wolf-arrested-occupy-wall-street

It’s a fantastic and useful slogan, but don’t forget that the reality is that the majority of even those at the top are in support of the movement.  Many of those participating on this discussion, on this blog are in the top 1% of earners.

I definitely want to see them keep using the slogan for its simplicity and power, but stay aware that the “other side” is basically a few dozen wingnut oligarchs, a few thousand dedicated wanna-be power players in republican politics, about 17% of the population who share an authoritarian mindset, and another 20% who side with the oligarchs out of either stockholm syndrome, aspirational magical thinking, or simple unthinking team/fan loyalty.

]]> By: Aurvondel http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1247082 Aurvondel Wed, 19 Oct 2011 17:00:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1247082 According to the NYC police department, this is one of the standard allowed punishments. It looks like he got the maximum penalty within that particular class of complaint. http://www.nyc.gov/html/ccrb/html/ccrbsub.html A "command discipline" is imposed directly by the subject officer's commanding officer and may vary based on the seriousness of the misconduct, the officer's disciplinary history, and the officer's performance records. The penalties range from an oral warning and admonishment to a forfeiture of up to 10 days of vacation or accrued time. According to the NYC police department, this is one of the standard allowed punishments. It looks like he got the maximum penalty within that particular class of complaint.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/ccrb/html/ccrbsub.html

A “command discipline” is imposed directly by the subject officer’s commanding officer and may vary based on the seriousness of the misconduct, the officer’s disciplinary history, and the officer’s performance records. The penalties range from an oral warning and admonishment to a forfeiture of up to 10 days of vacation or accrued time.

]]> By: aynrandspenismighty http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1247021 aynrandspenismighty Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:09:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1247021 If I pepper-spray a cop, do I only lose 10 days pay? If I pepper-spray a cop, do I only lose 10 days pay?

]]> By: Mister44 http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1246976 Mister44 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 15:25:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1246976 This could be a the beginning of a great retro-rap song. Bass, all up in your face Mace, all up in your face When the white shirts come, It feels like East Berlin, 'Cuz they wail with fists and Capsaisin. This could be a the beginning of a great retro-rap song.

Bass, all up in your face
Mace, all up in your face
When the white shirts come,
It feels like East Berlin,
‘Cuz they wail with fists and Capsaisin.

]]> By: spacemanmatt http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1246966 spacemanmatt Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:59:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1246966 Let's not forget a couple of things. 1. 0% of the 1% are involved in the protests. The cop, his victims, the camera/phone operators who collected the video evidence against the cop are all part of the 99%. For emphasis: THE COP IS PART OF THE 99%. HIS BOSS IS PART OF THE 99% TOO. 2. This cop did what he did because he felt he would not be punished. Regardless of the reality, he did not fear legitimate prosecution for his crimes. This must change or we will end up with mob justice, and I don't think any rational person wants that. Let’s not forget a couple of things.

1. 0% of the 1% are involved in the protests. The cop, his victims, the camera/phone operators who collected the video evidence against the cop are all part of the 99%. For emphasis: THE COP IS PART OF THE 99%. HIS BOSS IS PART OF THE 99% TOO.

2. This cop did what he did because he felt he would not be punished. Regardless of the reality, he did not fear legitimate prosecution for his crimes. This must change or we will end up with mob justice, and I don’t think any rational person wants that.

]]> By: ZikZak http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1246961 ZikZak Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:51:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1246961 The NYPD, like other police departments, functions in many ways like a gang. A gang is not concerned about its members committing crimes - in fact, that's sometimes a major part of gang activity.  They may, however, punish members for being excessively reckless and damaging the reputation of the gang - essentially for getting caught or attracting heat.  However the purpose of this punishment is not to eradicate crime from within the gang, but to ensure that its ongoing activities don't attract unwanted attention. Considering the situation in this context, it is beyond silly to imagine that the cop would be fired, charged with assault, or even held civilly liable.  The criminal justice system is not accountable to itself.  The only thing which can hold a gang accountable is an outside force which refuses to be subject to the gang's influence, and has the power to defend itself. The NYPD, like other police departments, functions in many ways like a gang.

A gang is not concerned about its members committing crimes – in fact, that’s sometimes a major part of gang activity.  They may, however, punish members for being excessively reckless and damaging the reputation of the gang – essentially for getting caught or attracting heat.  However the purpose of this punishment is not to eradicate crime from within the gang, but to ensure that its ongoing activities don’t attract unwanted attention.

Considering the situation in this context, it is beyond silly to imagine that the cop would be fired, charged with assault, or even held civilly liable.  The criminal justice system is not accountable to itself.  The only thing which can hold a gang accountable is an outside force which refuses to be subject to the gang’s influence, and has the power to defend itself.

]]> By: zebbart http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1246952 zebbart Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:35:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1246952 I agree that he should be criminally prosecuted and receive disciplinary action from his employer in the form of demotion, reassignment, even pay cut or termination, but that taking away vacation time is wrong. If anything this guy probably needs more vacation. As others have said, vacation should be a right an not a reward that can be taken away. I agree that he should be criminally prosecuted and receive disciplinary action from his employer in the form of demotion, reassignment, even pay cut or termination, but that taking away vacation time is wrong. If anything this guy probably needs more vacation. As others have said, vacation should be a right an not a reward that can be taken away.

]]> By: Guest http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1246947 Guest Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:15:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1246947 <i>Loss of a vacation day is a non-punishment. </i> meaning: your free time is theirs. Loss of a vacation day is a non-punishment.

meaning: your free time is theirs.

]]> By: Guest http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1246945 Guest Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:14:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1246945 and a scenic view, like the exercise room, or the common yard.  and a scenic view, like the exercise room, or the common yard. 

]]> By: Guest http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1246944 Guest Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:13:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1246944 ZING. No, really, well said.  ZING. No, really, well said. 

]]> By: Guest http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1246942 Guest Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:10:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1246942 Which protests are -you- going to? Which protests are -you- going to?

]]> By: Layne http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1246934 Layne Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:59:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1246934 That's the whole problem - the union or dept. brass are backing him up, when they should really be dropping the hammer on him. And I'm pretty certain this isn't his first violation. In cases like this, it's usually only the tip of the iceberg. Loss of a vacation day is a non-punishment. This guy needed to be made an example of. Civil suits are just gonna spin endlessly and usually only result in cash payouts that come from taxpayers.  The trigger-happy culture of the NYPD needs to change, but they're nowhere near serious enough about it. Maliciously assaulting the general public is only a minor inconvenience to them.  That’s the whole problem – the union or dept. brass are backing him up, when they should really be dropping the hammer on him. And I’m pretty certain this isn’t his first violation. In cases like this, it’s usually only the tip of the iceberg.

Loss of a vacation day is a non-punishment. This guy needed to be made an example of. Civil suits are just gonna spin endlessly and usually only result in cash payouts that come from taxpayers. 

The trigger-happy culture of the NYPD needs to change, but they’re nowhere near serious enough about it. Maliciously assaulting the general public is only a minor inconvenience to them. 

]]> By: Mark A http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1246931 Mark A Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:51:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1246931 "I wonder what would have happened if he had sprayed Bloomberg in the face. Or anyone important." The protesters are important. Bloomberg only thinks he is important. “I wonder what would have happened if he had sprayed Bloomberg in the face. Or anyone important.”

The protesters are important. Bloomberg only thinks he is important.

]]> By: Nathan Hornby http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1246925 Nathan Hornby Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:34:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1246925 I actually agree. I think this is both an unfairly harsh punishment, and an incredibly light one at the same time. When people work they have rights, holiday is one of them.  Sure, fire the guy and do him for assault, but taking away his holiday?  It feels me with mixed opinions. I actually agree.

I think this is both an unfairly harsh punishment, and an incredibly light one at the same time.

When people work they have rights, holiday is one of them.  Sure, fire the guy and do him for assault, but taking away his holiday?  It feels me with mixed opinions.

]]> By: Lobster http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1246909 Lobster Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:20:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1246909 They should give him MORE vacation days.  Like, "the rest of his life." They should give him MORE vacation days.  Like, “the rest of his life.”

]]> By: Oliver Schmieding http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1246911 Oliver Schmieding Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:20:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1246911 the american inquisition poked him with the soft cushion. the american inquisition poked him with the soft cushion.

]]> By: Felton / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1246907 Felton / Moderator Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:19:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1246907 +1 for starting my morning with Topsy Turvy / G & S. +1 for starting my morning with Topsy Turvy / G & S.

]]> By: CSBD http://boingboing.net/2011/10/18/mace-in-the-face-nypd-officer-broke-pepper-spray-rules-at-occupy-wall-street-punishment-loss-of-vacation-time.html#comment-1246908 CSBD Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:19:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=124595#comment-1246908 I think she should pursue civil rights violation and federal criminal charges against him. If she swears out a complaint in federal court, it will cost him or the department much more money to fight than if she gets a judgement in civil court that he never has to pay. I think she should pursue civil rights violation and federal criminal charges against him.

If she swears out a complaint in federal court, it will cost him or the department much more money to fight than if she gets a judgement in civil court that he never has to pay.

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