Comments on: 3D printed shoelace toggle lets kindergartener tighten his own shoes

By: rivkin

rivkin — Thu, 20 Oct 2011 17:26:00 +0000

Hook-and-loop fails after a very short time on most shoes, as they use crap materials. Of course, on a 5-year old, all you need it for is 2 months, because they’re in a new set, but…

By: jaytkay

jaytkay — Thu, 20 Oct 2011 14:19:00 +0000

The fact that a child might need 30 or 45 seconds to tie his shoes is an important one. A crouching, immobile human is an inviting target for tigers and lions. Or robots.

By: cdh1971

cdh1971 — Thu, 20 Oct 2011 05:41:00 +0000

First – the comments making fun of this are kinda funny – for a moment.

However – tying shoelaces are really challenging for most average, young kids and it can take many five-year-olds 30-45 seconds or so to do it – and- to tighten one’s already tied lace means untying then re-tying the shoelace.

Inconvenient on the playground. So inconvenient that many kids say fcuk-it and don’t bother and end up having a shoe flying off the foot or twisting an ankle. In a couple of years their brains and bodies will naturally synch so why not give them an adaptive aid in the meantime? It’s not being soft on them or coddling them. Honest! There are other people – kids and not-so-kids who are not that coordinated due to neurological issues such as dyspraxia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyspraxia ) Cerebral Palsy or not-quite-clinical clumsiness or lack of coordination. They might be able to tie their shoes after a while or need help with it. Tightening shoelaces means untying and retying — having to untie-retie already tied but loose laces can be a real pain in the arse.The bad-attitude towards adaptive technology that is fashionable amongst certain people really is disgusting.

By: Daemonworks

Daemonworks — Thu, 20 Oct 2011 04:10:00 +0000

While it’s cool that this were home-made, they are also purchasable at any fabric store and are bloody cheap.

By: digi_owl

digi_owl — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 22:49:00 +0000

http://www.niteize.com/products/knotbone-lace-lock

no spring, just some clever plastics.

By: digi_owl

digi_owl — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 22:47:00 +0000

Carpets in school?!

By: Paul Renault

Paul Renault — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 22:42:00 +0000

I came here to say the same thing.

Also: LOAFERS! (The shoes, not the people.)

By: Max Karl Key

Max Karl Key — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 21:59:00 +0000

wouldn’t it be cooler to find a more effective way to teach knot-tying? or if the kid was involved in the design process or something? or both? something of utility beyond “here, let me do that for you.”

By: kjh

kjh — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 21:58:00 +0000

Elastic shoelaces – voilà – no more messing with laces.

By: Jerril

Jerril — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 20:22:00 +0000

All you able bodied people with good vision and motor control and your fancy shoe laces can go have a shoelace party or something.

I couldn’t do better than a granny knot until I was a teenager, and even now my blasted bows are pretty sorry looking. I’ll have a look at some of those alternate knots and see if they’re any easier to tie if one of your hands is unco-operative…

Velcro is pretty awesome, but you get made fun of for velcro shoe closures after a certain age. I’m not sure if the laces toggle would have spared me heckling, but at least it would be easier to get off than blasted granny knots…

By: Max

Max — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 20:14:00 +0000

Surely kids learn to tie shoelaces? And if they get it wrong and trip then it’s a good lesson for them about getting things right. Or am I too much of a bastard?

By: Finnagain

Finnagain — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 19:59:00 +0000

Man, who knew that shoelaces could be so bootstrappy a subject.

The slave-drawn sledge was good enough for my ancestors, and by the various gods, no kid of mine is going to be coddled with one of these newfangled “wheel” thingies!

By: Mister44

Mister44 — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 19:35:00 +0000

Other than a few ‘dressy’ occasions, I haven’t worn shoes with laces for 7 or 8 years.

By: jccalhoun

jccalhoun — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 19:31:00 +0000

I’ve been using the secure knot on that page for years. It really does work and unties just as easy as the traditional shoe knot.

By: Uncle Duke

Uncle Duke — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 18:55:00 +0000

The problem is with the standard shoelace knot, which is insecure. There are several very good alternatives which are almost as easy to tie, but don’t come undone until you want them to.
Here is one example:
http://www.fieggen.com/shoelace/secureknot.htm
I’ve used the “Turquoise Turtle” (also on that page) for years on all my shoes and never had a problem regardless of what the laces are made of.

By: SamSam

SamSam — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 18:52:00 +0000

We could go on….

Math was difficult for my son. The poor guy was so frustrated that he’d get annoyed and wouldn’t want to do it! So I 3D-printed him a “digital adding machine” before school. I’m a MakerBot hero!

By: Lobster

Lobster — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 18:45:00 +0000

Not sure I’d be as “harsh” (heh) but I do think that knowing how to tie a bow is important above and beyond shoe operation.

By: Jesse Hamilton

Jesse Hamilton — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 18:36:00 +0000

I can actually remember the moment of “ah!” when my kindergarten teacher Mrs. Friedank showed me how to tie my own shoes. It happened to be in Kindergarten – my own 8 year old didn’t have a Mrs. Friedank, and she didn’t learn until first or second grade. Keep at it, Larsie jr. – you’ll get it.

By: vonbobo

vonbobo — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 18:34:00 +0000

Actually, Apple will come out with the lace toggle in 2012, which also means they will be the first.

By: i_r_beej

i_r_beej — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 18:22:00 +0000

Seriously? These things are called toggles or cord-locks and are available by the handful at any outdoorsy store. They’re very inexpensive and very handy to have around. I’ve got them stashed away in various drawers in the kitchen and gear bags in the closet. However, I want to know more. Did “larsie” just print these out in 5 minutes after quickly scrounging springs from some other thing? At our house, when it’s time to put on shoes and head out the door to school, it’s time to go. There’s no time to print toggles.

Besides which, learning to tie shoelaces, while admittedly frustrating sometimes, is just one of those things every primate with opposable thumbs needs to learn. :)

By: Hans Lawrenz

Hans Lawrenz — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 18:19:00 +0000

Salomon has had something like this on their shoes for a while. It’s made me hate putting on any of my regularly laced shoes.

By: AetherWeaver

AetherWeaver — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 18:19:00 +0000

The hard part, for me, was learning how to properly tie a square bow knot instead of a “granny”… Once I got that down, laces stayed tied pretty much constantly. Double knots help, too… so long as you make sure they are square to the original bow as well. Also-Velcro was much more awesome in theory than in practice.(those hooks attracted lots of carpet fuzz in school)

By: aHarshDM

aHarshDM — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 18:13:00 +0000

I’m a firm believer that every human should acquire a certain set of skills, tying ones shoes is one of those skills. I cannot endorse this post or the ideas behind it.

By: michael b

michael b — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 18:04:00 +0000

One word…velcro.