The tea party’s continuing and pathetic embrace of this unpatriotic element in exchange, no less, for personal privilege (fools gold), and at the expense of their fellow countrymen, brands them more jackals than misled citizens.

And their charge that our National government is the enemy is as false, on the one hand, as their slavish obedience to and votes for those who have corrupted the election process for selecting, appointing and judging those who run it, is as true, on the other.

Seeking to align the ‘Occupation’ Movement with the tea party is not a strategy, it is a death wish.

America:  One Country NOT 50 piss-ant states!

Also, my guess is that the civil disobedience in the Seattle WTO protests saved about one life per every protestor just through the changes in AIDS drugs distribution.   We’re not in the streets in serious numbers, tiny tiny percentage of the population at ows, and even so the authorities are freaking out. 

Sure, the typical states rights tea party-er will dress it all up with high-sounding red herrings about “off our backs’ or whatever sloganeering is in use at the time, but if you are patient and just listen to what they actually say, when they speak up to say it and why, you’ll observe that in reality, they simply hate civil rights, women’s rights, individual rights, voting rights, public education, promoting the general welfare, etc.

In fact, anything remotely just or honorable or having ANYTHING whatsoever to do with the ability of our National government and Constitution to protect individual citizens from state and local government (clan) domination and intimidation, turns them all red about the head and neck.

The fact that ID laws are the best example you can come up with suggests to me that my tradeoff ain’t half bad (see what I did there?).

Everyone’s got their procedures you’ve just got to follow them to get the desired results.

Of course the training for such devices does include these as part of the big long list of things not to do with them.  So any officer doing so should be up on charges of murder (it being a deliberate & calculated act).  Not that you’ll ever convict a pig of that in a million years.

Smart, dispersed people with a knowledge of improvised weapons is another issue altogether.

a.k.a. progressives with a grudge

The biggest threat to my civil liberties at the moment is the rapidly expanding homeland security arm of the federal government.

The biggest threat to a lot of other people’s civil liberties right now is states passing laws that encourage cops to stop all brown people and demand ID. The federal government is actually fighting that. Local autonomy is not all ice cream and cake for everyone.

And I didn’t put any words in your both.  You said this:

states’s rights oligarchs VS those demanding equal protection of law, and civil and human rights for all; and the tea party VS the Occupiers.

That clearly implies that I am a “state’s rights oligarch” and that I am against “equal protection of law, and civil and human rights for all.”  It’s not putting words into your mouth to point out that your words imply something you didn’t explicitly say.  If you’re not trying to call me a slavery apologist or an authoritarian then the onus is on you to communicate more carefully and accurately what you mean.

As far as tea party vs. OWS…what do you think the GAs at OWS are?  Autonomous local governments.   I am much, much more OWS than I am tea party.

Put that spew of red herrings you just laid out into the mouth of say, Rick “the secessionist” Perry or Herman “how high boss” Cain, and “fighting the civil war [the battle over assumption and everything else] is EXACTLY what you are doing.

That said, if you are going to put words in my mouth, I’ll thank you to use my own.   Otherwise, I’s be done spoke fur misef.

I’ve heard you but I am not remotely interested in sharing a stage with you, or any other confederationist, including THIS dialogue.

America:  One Country, NOT 50 piss-ant states.

We’re not still fighting the civil war, man.  New war, new rules.  And FWIW, I have no desire to make you my enemy.  I’m perfectly willing to listen to your perspective even if I disagree.  You’d rather die than hear me out?  Chill out and disagree like a sensible person.

Well brother Danial, there has been this divide from the Very beginning:  Those favoring a weak and pathetic confederation with states at the center of civil authority VS those advocating a strong National Government with the rights of individual citizens at the center of the American enterprise; Slavers VS Unionist; states’s rights oligarchs VS those demanding equal protection of law, and civil and human rights for all; and the tea party VS the Occupiers.

I don’t expect YOU to agree with me or to EVER, deep down, support the UNION, and for sure, I’d rather DIE than share even the same stage with the likes of you….

Am I clear enough here?

America:  One Country, NOT 50 piss-ant states.