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	<title>Comments on: Rushkoff: OWS is not a protest, but a prototype for a new way of&#160;living.</title>
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		<title>By: travtastic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/26/rushkoff-ows-is-not-a-protest-but-a-prototype-for-a-new-way-of-living.html#comment-1255170</link>
		<dc:creator>travtastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... man, how did you forget to add a picture of Hitler strangling an orphaned kitten with &#039;OCCUPY&#039; written across the bottom?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; man, how did you forget to add a picture of Hitler strangling an orphaned kitten with &#8216;OCCUPY&#8217; written across the bottom?</p>
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		<title>By: csforstall</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/26/rushkoff-ows-is-not-a-protest-but-a-prototype-for-a-new-way-of-living.html#comment-1255070</link>
		<dc:creator>csforstall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look the web is a two way street and both of us share responsiblity. You will notice my admission that I misunderstood you. If you care or don&#039;t care how I misunderstood you that is completely up to you and I&#039;m not faulting you one way or the other. 

And I think we best leave the politics alone since, as I stated previously, you see my critics as negative (&quot;excoriating&quot;) rather then honest and constructive, and that fact alone, is where I draw my meta-commentary  from. But like I said, enough of us talking past each other.

I&#039;m sorry things have gotten this out of hand. Lets please put this to rest. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look the web is a two way street and both of us share responsiblity. You will notice my admission that I misunderstood you. If you care or don&#8217;t care how I misunderstood you that is completely up to you and I&#8217;m not faulting you one way or the other. </p>
<p>And I think we best leave the politics alone since, as I stated previously, you see my critics as negative (&#8220;excoriating&#8221;) rather then honest and constructive, and that fact alone, is where I draw my meta-commentary  from. But like I said, enough of us talking past each other.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry things have gotten this out of hand. Lets please put this to rest. </p>
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		<title>By: Teller</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/26/rushkoff-ows-is-not-a-protest-but-a-prototype-for-a-new-way-of-living.html#comment-1254799</link>
		<dc:creator>Teller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have nailed the milieu with a unicorn horn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have nailed the milieu with a unicorn horn.</p>
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		<title>By: EndlessIke</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/26/rushkoff-ows-is-not-a-protest-but-a-prototype-for-a-new-way-of-living.html#comment-1254610</link>
		<dc:creator>EndlessIke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People are corrupted by greed and power, that&#039;s why every utopia fails</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People are corrupted by greed and power, that&#8217;s why every utopia fails</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/26/rushkoff-ows-is-not-a-protest-but-a-prototype-for-a-new-way-of-living.html#comment-1254526</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Could this be the dawning of the age of Aquarius?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Harmony and understanding --- no.
Sympathy and trust abounding --- no.
No more falsehoods or derisions --- ahahahaha!

Unless there&#039;s a lost verse about amateur porn and catLOLs, I&#039;m going to have to say no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Could this be the dawning of the age of Aquarius?</p></blockquote>
<p>Harmony and understanding &#8212; no.<br />
Sympathy and trust abounding &#8212; no.<br />
No more falsehoods or derisions &#8212; ahahahaha!</p>
<p>Unless there&#8217;s a lost verse about amateur porn and catLOLs, I&#8217;m going to have to say no.</p>
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		<title>By: dainty</title>
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		<dc:creator>dainty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could this be the dawning of the age of Aquarius?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could this be the dawning of the age of Aquarius?</p>
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		<title>By: pocketpan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/26/rushkoff-ows-is-not-a-protest-but-a-prototype-for-a-new-way-of-living.html#comment-1254499</link>
		<dc:creator>pocketpan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 06:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that a threat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that a threat?</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas MacDonald</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/26/rushkoff-ows-is-not-a-protest-but-a-prototype-for-a-new-way-of-living.html#comment-1254416</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas MacDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm...

... an independent national general assembly in a country that already has a congress?

... that determines policy by &quot;consensus&quot; rather than &quot;debate&quot;?

... and seems suspiciously intolerant of opinions that dissent against the will of a secretive in-group?

... where have I heard this before?

... Oh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; an independent national general assembly in a country that already has a congress?</p>
<p>&#8230; that determines policy by &#8220;consensus&#8221; rather than &#8220;debate&#8221;?</p>
<p>&#8230; and seems suspiciously intolerant of opinions that dissent against the will of a secretive in-group?</p>
<p>&#8230; where have I heard this before?</p>
<p>&#8230; Oh.</p>
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		<title>By: derin devlet</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/26/rushkoff-ows-is-not-a-protest-but-a-prototype-for-a-new-way-of-living.html#comment-1254318</link>
		<dc:creator>derin devlet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Try being The Gay for a week. It&#039;s exhausting.&quot;

Then try Megamucil, I heard earlier in the thread  that it oughta help things slide through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Try being The Gay for a week. It&#8217;s exhausting.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then try Megamucil, I heard earlier in the thread  that it oughta help things slide through.</p>
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		<title>By: travtastic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/26/rushkoff-ows-is-not-a-protest-but-a-prototype-for-a-new-way-of-living.html#comment-1254288</link>
		<dc:creator>travtastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 00:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Try&quot; being The Gay.

So it is a choice. I knew you guys would slip up sooner or later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Try&#8221; being The Gay.</p>
<p>So it is a choice. I knew you guys would slip up sooner or later.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Billings</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/26/rushkoff-ows-is-not-a-protest-but-a-prototype-for-a-new-way-of-living.html#comment-1254285</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Billings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 00:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because learning a total of three hand gestures is hard? Low achiever, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because learning a total of three hand gestures is hard? Low achiever, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: travtastic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/26/rushkoff-ows-is-not-a-protest-but-a-prototype-for-a-new-way-of-living.html#comment-1254287</link>
		<dc:creator>travtastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 00:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Tyranny of the Fingers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Tyranny of the Fingers.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/26/rushkoff-ows-is-not-a-protest-but-a-prototype-for-a-new-way-of-living.html#comment-1254246</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 00:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In my struggle against The Man, little did I know I would become The Man.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Try being The Gay for a week.  It&#039;s exhausting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In my struggle against The Man, little did I know I would become The Man.</p></blockquote>
<p>Try being The Gay for a week.  It&#8217;s exhausting.</p>
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		<title>By: hipstervictory</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/26/rushkoff-ows-is-not-a-protest-but-a-prototype-for-a-new-way-of-living.html#comment-1254219</link>
		<dc:creator>hipstervictory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 23:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like a lot of Rushkoff&#039;s work, but the idea that somehow the predominantly young and disenfranchized (that&#039;s what they&#039;re protesting against being, right?) protestors are somehow the harbingers of a new committee-run, consensus-driven society is a crock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like a lot of Rushkoff&#8217;s work, but the idea that somehow the predominantly young and disenfranchized (that&#8217;s what they&#8217;re protesting against being, right?) protestors are somehow the harbingers of a new committee-run, consensus-driven society is a crock.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Humphreys</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/26/rushkoff-ows-is-not-a-protest-but-a-prototype-for-a-new-way-of-living.html#comment-1254182</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Humphreys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 23:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;forging a robust micro-society of working groups.&quot;  That seems a little delusional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;forging a robust micro-society of working groups.&#8221;  That seems a little delusional.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Humphreys</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/26/rushkoff-ows-is-not-a-protest-but-a-prototype-for-a-new-way-of-living.html#comment-1254177</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Humphreys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 23:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;join or die.&quot;  Very awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;join or die.&#8221;  Very awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: travtastic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/26/rushkoff-ows-is-not-a-protest-but-a-prototype-for-a-new-way-of-living.html#comment-1254140</link>
		<dc:creator>travtastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This would have gone down smoother if you could have just asked me to clarify my comment.

...instead of providing a dozen paragraphs excoriating my lack of communication skills, and tying my one smart-assed interweb comment to the fate of the entire Occupy movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would have gone down smoother if you could have just asked me to clarify my comment.</p>
<p>&#8230;instead of providing a dozen paragraphs excoriating my lack of communication skills, and tying my one smart-assed interweb comment to the fate of the entire Occupy movement.</p>
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		<title>By: csforstall</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/26/rushkoff-ows-is-not-a-protest-but-a-prototype-for-a-new-way-of-living.html#comment-1254137</link>
		<dc:creator>csforstall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why are we even talking about this?&lt;/blockquote&gt;      
Because you made a comment that was full of feeling and it wasn&#039;t at all apparent to whom it was directed. 

So this large volume of words is all about how you shouldn&#039;t be surprised that I was confused, and that I misunderstood the meaning of your comment. Lets just leave it at that. I don&#039;t hold grudges.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why are we even talking about this?</p></blockquote>
<p>     <br />
Because you made a comment that was full of feeling and it wasn&#8217;t at all apparent to whom it was directed. </p>
<p>So this large volume of words is all about how you shouldn&#8217;t be surprised that I was confused, and that I misunderstood the meaning of your comment. Lets just leave it at that. I don&#8217;t hold grudges.   </p>
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		<title>By: travtastic</title>
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		<dc:creator>travtastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my struggle against The Man, little did I know &lt;i&gt;I would become The Man&lt;/i&gt;. Little did I know that my comments would literally delete your comments, just by existing. On a rare positive note, your supply of melodrama appears to be increasing at an unstoppable rate.

Are we done now? Because I&#039;m done. Good day, and thank you for your cooperation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my struggle against The Man, little did I know <i>I would become The Man</i>. Little did I know that my comments would literally delete your comments, just by existing. On a rare positive note, your supply of melodrama appears to be increasing at an unstoppable rate.</p>
<p>Are we done now? Because I&#8217;m done. Good day, and thank you for your cooperation.</p>
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		<title>By: travtastic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/26/rushkoff-ows-is-not-a-protest-but-a-prototype-for-a-new-way-of-living.html#comment-1254129</link>
		<dc:creator>travtastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you ever actually disagreed with another person before?

I don&#039;t quite understand why you feel the need to psychoanalyze this conversation. I disagreed with someone, I made a comment to that effect, which apparently was a Wrong Thing because it wasn&#039;t completely literal in every aspect. I&#039;m going to continue to disagree, and I assume the people who disagree with me will do the same. This isn&#039;t a kind of teaching moment, where we all realize (in unison!) how little empathy we have for our fellow man. It&#039;s a comment thread. On a website that&#039;s not even related to the movement.

If you&#039;d like to come out to one of the Occupies near me, I&#039;d be glad to explain to you what we&#039;re doing in great detail. Face-to-face, without even a hint of metaphor or a simile.

Additionally, I feel I have to add that &lt;i&gt;the comment in question wasn&#039;t even directed at you or near you&lt;/i&gt;. Your first comment her is your indignant response to mine.

Why are we even talking about this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever actually disagreed with another person before?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t quite understand why you feel the need to psychoanalyze this conversation. I disagreed with someone, I made a comment to that effect, which apparently was a Wrong Thing because it wasn&#8217;t completely literal in every aspect. I&#8217;m going to continue to disagree, and I assume the people who disagree with me will do the same. This isn&#8217;t a kind of teaching moment, where we all realize (in unison!) how little empathy we have for our fellow man. It&#8217;s a comment thread. On a website that&#8217;s not even related to the movement.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;d like to come out to one of the Occupies near me, I&#8217;d be glad to explain to you what we&#8217;re doing in great detail. Face-to-face, without even a hint of metaphor or a simile.</p>
<p>Additionally, I feel I have to add that <i>the comment in question wasn&#8217;t even directed at you or near you</i>. Your first comment her is your indignant response to mine.</p>
<p>Why are we even talking about this?</p>
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		<title>By: travtastic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/26/rushkoff-ows-is-not-a-protest-but-a-prototype-for-a-new-way-of-living.html#comment-1254122</link>
		<dc:creator>travtastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m aware of this fact. I&#039;m also aware that we currently live in America, in the present.

I wasn&#039;t even saying that the work is ridiculous, but that the &lt;i&gt;comparison&lt;/i&gt; is ridiculous. We might as well be talking about how my job is clearly boring, as I&#039;m not a professional escape artist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m aware of this fact. I&#8217;m also aware that we currently live in America, in the present.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t even saying that the work is ridiculous, but that the <i>comparison</i> is ridiculous. We might as well be talking about how my job is clearly boring, as I&#8217;m not a professional escape artist.</p>
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		<title>By: csforstall</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/26/rushkoff-ows-is-not-a-protest-but-a-prototype-for-a-new-way-of-living.html#comment-1254116</link>
		<dc:creator>csforstall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Effectively I have no voice with you, I&#039;m not surprised. Thanks, and best of luck to you. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Effectively I have no voice with you, I&#8217;m not surprised. Thanks, and best of luck to you. </p>
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		<title>By: SKR</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/26/rushkoff-ows-is-not-a-protest-but-a-prototype-for-a-new-way-of-living.html#comment-1254117</link>
		<dc:creator>SKR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the vast majority of the world and throughout the vast majority of human history, being a farmer and the entailing workload was not  &quot;ridiculously abnormal&quot;.  It has only been recently because of capitalism and the industrial revolution that working as hard as a farmer has become rare in industrialized countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the vast majority of the world and throughout the vast majority of human history, being a farmer and the entailing workload was not  &#8220;ridiculously abnormal&#8221;.  It has only been recently because of capitalism and the industrial revolution that working as hard as a farmer has become rare in industrialized countries.</p>
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		<title>By: travtastic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/26/rushkoff-ows-is-not-a-protest-but-a-prototype-for-a-new-way-of-living.html#comment-1254109</link>
		<dc:creator>travtastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s nothing pseudonymous going on here. My name is Trav. Trav Tastic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s nothing pseudonymous going on here. My name is Trav. Trav Tastic.</p>
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		<title>By: travtastic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/26/rushkoff-ows-is-not-a-protest-but-a-prototype-for-a-new-way-of-living.html#comment-1254107</link>
		<dc:creator>travtastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) You&#039;re pretty obviously taking that statement out of context. &quot;Get out of the building or you&#039;ll burn to death!&quot; isn&#039;t what I would call a veiled threat.
2) One comment on a BB comment board is not the defining moment of a populist movement.
3) Occupy Amsterdam probably has a community-organized axe-grinding station set up and open to everyone, yourself included. You don&#039;t have to do it here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) You&#8217;re pretty obviously taking that statement out of context. &#8220;Get out of the building or you&#8217;ll burn to death!&#8221; isn&#8217;t what I would call a veiled threat.<br />
2) One comment on a BB comment board is not the defining moment of a populist movement.<br />
3) Occupy Amsterdam probably has a community-organized axe-grinding station set up and open to everyone, yourself included. You don&#8217;t have to do it here.</p>
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		<title>By: csforstall</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/26/rushkoff-ows-is-not-a-protest-but-a-prototype-for-a-new-way-of-living.html#comment-1254103</link>
		<dc:creator>csforstall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Oh, cool. Explain your last paragraph for me.So &#039;the internet&#039; is to blame for your perception that the protesters don&#039;t care what you think?&lt;/blockquote&gt;      
The way you perform you actions online is what I am talking about. The attitude and manner that you take as you deal with someone in a pseudonymonus way. I am not a human form to you, you cannot see me or my body language and I cannot see yours. 

Writing as an act requires a good deal more motivation then speaking. Thus what is written, especially online, contains a great deal of pathos. Your conversation with me is a good example. You wouldn&#039;t continue with it if you didn&#039;t feel that you had enough pathos invested in the conversation.

Now the OWS has a great deal of pathos, in fact I would argue that at the moment that is all that is has to sustain itself. Now in the same manner in which you aggressively dog my comments with energy and moral feeling this is exactly the type of behavior that I am referring to when it comes to OWS. 

At no point does anyone take a step back and stop to think that maybe this person cared enough to offer an opinon. Rather it seems to be that there is this immediate pushback that I should offer up any advise outside of spending my non-existant money on a trip to the big city just so I can take part in a street occupation, or that I would even want too!

The short of it is you don&#039;t know my view, and my point is that you don&#039;t seem to care (as your &quot;oh, co0l,&quot; in this usage at least, is just your set-up for your own shoot-down). And that is exactly the attitude that I am talking about with the OWS. This is a movement of the cities and I just happen to live far away from the polis and thus have a different perspective.

I as audience to the OWS thus am left &quot;in the dark&quot; due to the &quot;lack of transprancy&quot; (i.e. no offical spokesperson) yet I might be interested in what the people have to say. Yet agian no one seems to care enough to actually use all that technology to send out a resonable or coherent message. Instead  the outpouring of pathos continues and OWSers get mad that I don&#039;t want to be caught up in their intense wave of moral pathos. It&#039;s the same with snarky online comments. 

And that I think is where you need to be more openminded. You may me outraged, you may be justified, but you must understand that not everyone is so caught up in the feelings of your moment. People can be reasoned with but pathos is not an end (or even comprehensible) unto itself.

So no the interent is not &quot;to blame,&quot; it&#039;s the fact that the OWS movement thinks the rest of the world lives on youtube and has no other interest other then just watching them occupy. I as a provencial frankly would like a more drawn out explanation and a greater transparancy, which I thought was supported by this movement.  I care about the values that supposedly underpin the movement. It is of great interest to those of us not participating or unable to participate. 

You can&#039;t judge a book by its cover and right now thats all that these protesters have shown us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Oh, cool. Explain your last paragraph for me.So &#8216;the internet&#8217; is to blame for your perception that the protesters don&#8217;t care what you think?</p></blockquote>
<p>     <br />
The way you perform you actions online is what I am talking about. The attitude and manner that you take as you deal with someone in a pseudonymonus way. I am not a human form to you, you cannot see me or my body language and I cannot see yours. </p>
<p>Writing as an act requires a good deal more motivation then speaking. Thus what is written, especially online, contains a great deal of pathos. Your conversation with me is a good example. You wouldn&#8217;t continue with it if you didn&#8217;t feel that you had enough pathos invested in the conversation.</p>
<p>Now the OWS has a great deal of pathos, in fact I would argue that at the moment that is all that is has to sustain itself. Now in the same manner in which you aggressively dog my comments with energy and moral feeling this is exactly the type of behavior that I am referring to when it comes to OWS. </p>
<p>At no point does anyone take a step back and stop to think that maybe this person cared enough to offer an opinon. Rather it seems to be that there is this immediate pushback that I should offer up any advise outside of spending my non-existant money on a trip to the big city just so I can take part in a street occupation, or that I would even want too!</p>
<p>The short of it is you don&#8217;t know my view, and my point is that you don&#8217;t seem to care (as your &#8220;oh, co0l,&#8221; in this usage at least, is just your set-up for your own shoot-down). And that is exactly the attitude that I am talking about with the OWS. This is a movement of the cities and I just happen to live far away from the polis and thus have a different perspective.</p>
<p>I as audience to the OWS thus am left &#8221;in the dark&#8221; due to the &#8220;lack of transprancy&#8221; (i.e. no offical spokesperson) yet I might be interested in what the people have to say. Yet agian no one seems to care enough to actually use all that technology to send out a resonable or coherent message. Instead  the outpouring of pathos continues and OWSers get mad that I don&#8217;t want to be caught up in their intense wave of moral pathos. It&#8217;s the same with snarky online comments. </p>
<p>And that I think is where you need to be more openminded. You may me outraged, you may be justified, but you must understand that not everyone is so caught up in the feelings of your moment. People can be reasoned with but pathos is not an end (or even comprehensible) unto itself.</p>
<p>So no the interent is not &#8220;to blame,&#8221; it&#8217;s the fact that the OWS movement thinks the rest of the world lives on youtube and has no other interest other then just watching them occupy. I as a provencial frankly would like a more drawn out explanation and a greater transparancy, which I thought was supported by this movement.  I care about the values that supposedly underpin the movement. It is of great interest to those of us not participating or unable to participate. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t judge a book by its cover and right now thats all that these protesters have shown us.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcel Oerlemans</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/26/rushkoff-ows-is-not-a-protest-but-a-prototype-for-a-new-way-of-living.html#comment-1254088</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcel Oerlemans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The whole thing is orchestrated through simple hand gestures&quot;
And thus another elite is created, that part of the occupy-serfs who know the features, versus those who don&#039;t...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The whole thing is orchestrated through simple hand gestures&#8221;<br />
And thus another elite is created, that part of the occupy-serfs who know the features, versus those who don&#8217;t&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marcel Oerlemans</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/26/rushkoff-ows-is-not-a-protest-but-a-prototype-for-a-new-way-of-living.html#comment-1254082</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcel Oerlemans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in Amsterdam I hear that&#039;s exactly what&#039;s happening already...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in Amsterdam I hear that&#8217;s exactly what&#8217;s happening already&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marcel Oerlemans</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/26/rushkoff-ows-is-not-a-protest-but-a-prototype-for-a-new-way-of-living.html#comment-1254080</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcel Oerlemans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Join or die. ? What? Really? Nice peaceful &quot;protest&quot; you have here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Join or die. ? What? Really? Nice peaceful &#8220;protest&#8221; you have here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: travtastic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/10/26/rushkoff-ows-is-not-a-protest-but-a-prototype-for-a-new-way-of-living.html#comment-1254057</link>
		<dc:creator>travtastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Metamucil might be okay for protesting; but for fast-acting, long-lasting relief, try Megamucil. Don&#039;t settle for less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Metamucil might be okay for protesting; but for fast-acting, long-lasting relief, try Megamucil. Don&#8217;t settle for less.</p>
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