Comments on: PATRIOT Act at 10: the 3 worst provisions for ordinary Americans http://boingboing.net/2011/10/27/patriot-act-at-10-the-3-worst-provisions-for-ordinary-americans.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Thu, 20 Jun 2013 04:39:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: bruckelsprout http://boingboing.net/2011/10/27/patriot-act-at-10-the-3-worst-provisions-for-ordinary-americans.html#comment-1255164 bruckelsprout Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:01:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=126325#comment-1255164  Then we'll just take it to WikiLea---  Oh wait...  Then we’ll just take it to WikiLea—  Oh wait…

]]> By: awjt http://boingboing.net/2011/10/27/patriot-act-at-10-the-3-worst-provisions-for-ordinary-americans.html#comment-1255102 awjt Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:10:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=126325#comment-1255102 If it happens to me, I'm coming straight to you guys to help me hand-gesture them into submission and defeat. If it happens to me, I’m coming straight to you guys to help me hand-gesture them into submission and defeat.

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2011/10/27/patriot-act-at-10-the-3-worst-provisions-for-ordinary-americans.html#comment-1255061 Antinous / Moderator Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:36:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=126325#comment-1255061 <blockquote>If your rights have been violated and you are under a gag order to keep it secret, then, it stands to reason that you should SPEAK UP.</blockquote> Then they'll borrow the UK's ultimately recursive SuperInjunction, which keeps the media from reporting that they're not allowed to report on being unable to talk about not being able to talk. Dawg.

If your rights have been violated and you are under a gag order to keep it secret, then, it stands to reason that you should SPEAK UP.

Then they’ll borrow the UK’s ultimately recursive SuperInjunction, which keeps the media from reporting that they’re not allowed to report on being unable to talk about not being able to talk. Dawg.

]]> By: King henry Eight http://boingboing.net/2011/10/27/patriot-act-at-10-the-3-worst-provisions-for-ordinary-americans.html#comment-1254926 King henry Eight Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:40:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=126325#comment-1254926 Of course Americans will be upset, but that is all they'll be.  They'll simple sit, whine and complain.  It is our fault that we allow this.  We vote idiots into office who pass such crap and spend billions of tax dollars (waste), then they slap us in the face for which we say, 'thank you' and re-elect themback into office! The cycle never ends.  But government politians say , with a grin on thier face as they race to the bank (that they protect and bail out mind you) "Thankyou and God Bless the Supid American" Of course Americans will be upset, but that is all they’ll be.  They’ll simple sit, whine and complain.  It is our fault that we allow this.  We vote idiots into office who pass such crap and spend billions of tax dollars (waste), then they slap us in the face for which we say, ‘thank you’ and re-elect themback into office! The cycle never ends.  But government politians say , with a grin on thier face as they race to the bank (that they protect and bail out mind you) “Thankyou and God Bless the Supid American”

]]> By: Guest http://boingboing.net/2011/10/27/patriot-act-at-10-the-3-worst-provisions-for-ordinary-americans.html#comment-1254904 Guest Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:20:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=126325#comment-1254904 super short history lesson: freedom to vs. freedom from. super short history lesson: freedom to vs. freedom from.

]]> By: michael b http://boingboing.net/2011/10/27/patriot-act-at-10-the-3-worst-provisions-for-ordinary-americans.html#comment-1254863 michael b Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:46:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=126325#comment-1254863 Funny how us "freedom loving Americans" were so quick to make sure that government had entire tool box of laws to pry into anything seen as vaguely "threatening", whilst plastering up color coded threat level indicators reminding us of the host of unseen (imaginary???), all the while being charged with protecting our freedoms.  Seems to me it's best to see the fight for freedom on an individual basis instead of relying on government programs that will eventually fail and did allow 19 people with box cutters and financial backing to murder people.  Being free is dangerous, that's why we seem to like the "less than free" package as presented to us. Funny how us “freedom loving Americans” were so quick to make sure that government had entire tool box of laws to pry into anything seen as vaguely “threatening”, whilst plastering up color coded threat level indicators reminding us of the host of unseen (imaginary???), all the while being charged with protecting our freedoms.  Seems to me it’s best to see the fight for freedom on an individual basis instead of relying on government programs that will eventually fail and did allow 19 people with box cutters and financial backing to murder people.  Being free is dangerous, that’s why we seem to like the “less than free” package as presented to us.

]]> By: mccrum http://boingboing.net/2011/10/27/patriot-act-at-10-the-3-worst-provisions-for-ordinary-americans.html#comment-1254851 mccrum Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:38:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=126325#comment-1254851 Yeah, because every politician wants to give his enemies the fodder of "They hate Patriots!" This thing will never expire until we call it something else, but I do like your way of thinkin'. Yeah, because every politician wants to give his enemies the fodder of “They hate Patriots!”

This thing will never expire until we call it something else, but I do like your way of thinkin’.

]]> By: Guest http://boingboing.net/2011/10/27/patriot-act-at-10-the-3-worst-provisions-for-ordinary-americans.html#comment-1254815 Guest Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:08:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=126325#comment-1254815 In theory,it expires if not renewed. That's the provision I'm putting my hope in.  In theory,it expires if not renewed. That’s the provision I’m putting my hope in. 

]]> By: mccrum http://boingboing.net/2011/10/27/patriot-act-at-10-the-3-worst-provisions-for-ordinary-americans.html#comment-1254807 mccrum Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:00:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=126325#comment-1254807 Can someone put together a companion article listing the best provisions in the PATRIOT Act?  I'd like to see that list as well.  I mean, besides the fact that it's got the word "patriot" in the title. Can someone put together a companion article listing the best provisions in the PATRIOT Act?  I’d like to see that list as well. 

I mean, besides the fact that it’s got the word “patriot” in the title.

]]> By: alephxero http://boingboing.net/2011/10/27/patriot-act-at-10-the-3-worst-provisions-for-ordinary-americans.html#comment-1254804 alephxero Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:57:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=126325#comment-1254804 What is the reason behind the "gag" provision? Is it to keep people from knowing what kind of information the FBI thinks they need to gather (so that they can take care to obfuscate that information)? What is the reason behind the “gag” provision? Is it to keep people from knowing what kind of information the FBI thinks they need to gather (so that they can take care to obfuscate that information)?

]]> By: Mister44 http://boingboing.net/2011/10/27/patriot-act-at-10-the-3-worst-provisions-for-ordinary-americans.html#comment-1254791 Mister44 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:44:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=126325#comment-1254791 You know what I really like about this article? It actually says exactly WHAT in the Patriot Act is so 'wrong'. Most people declare, "Patriot Act Bad!!!! Arrrgggglllleeeeee!" with out being able to list anything specific about the law. You know what I really like about this article? It actually says exactly WHAT in the Patriot Act is so ‘wrong’.

Most people declare, “Patriot Act Bad!!!! Arrrgggglllleeeeee!” with out being able to list anything specific about the law.

]]> By: awjt http://boingboing.net/2011/10/27/patriot-act-at-10-the-3-worst-provisions-for-ordinary-americans.html#comment-1254783 awjt Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:30:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=126325#comment-1254783 If your rights have been violated and you are under a gag order to keep it secret, then, it stands to reason that you should SPEAK UP.  That way when you are prosecuted for violating the gag order, then as a matter of public record, they are revealing that you were secretly investigated and their secret is no longer as secret as they were counting on.  And you have done the right thing to try to help other people not get secretly investigated and gag-ordered.  In other words, it's ALWAYS in your best interest to SPEAK UP.  It's the golden rule. Read up on Steven Hatfill.  Speaking up worked for him; because he was not afraid.  When you are circled by sharks, your best bet to survive is to poke at them aggressively. Attack the attack. If your rights have been violated and you are under a gag order to keep it secret, then, it stands to reason that you should SPEAK UP.  That way when you are prosecuted for violating the gag order, then as a matter of public record, they are revealing that you were secretly investigated and their secret is no longer as secret as they were counting on.  And you have done the right thing to try to help other people not get secretly investigated and gag-ordered.  In other words, it’s ALWAYS in your best interest to SPEAK UP.  It’s the golden rule.

Read up on Steven Hatfill.  Speaking up worked for him; because he was not afraid.  When you are circled by sharks, your best bet to survive is to poke at them aggressively. Attack the attack.

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