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		<title>By: Mike Stevenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Stevenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s time to put the pressure on Nike now.  Their leaders and PR people better step up to the plate soon and do the right thing with their &quot;Joe Paterno Child Development Center.&quot;  At this point they see no reason to change the name of it.  

http://www.oregonlive.com/playbooks-profits/index.ssf/2011/11/nike_has_no_plans_to_change_na.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s time to put the pressure on Nike now.  Their leaders and PR people better step up to the plate soon and do the right thing with their &#8220;Joe Paterno Child Development Center.&#8221;  At this point they see no reason to change the name of it.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.oregonlive.com/playbooks-profits/index.ssf/2011/11/nike_has_no_plans_to_change_na.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.oregonlive.com/playbooks-profits/index.ssf/2011/11/nike_has_no_plans_to_change_na.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: TJ</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/08/joe-paterno-not-getting-it.html#comment-1267200</link>
		<dc:creator>TJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 21:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know if anyone is still following this thread, but Joe Scalzi nutshelled the situation perfectly (as he often does): http://whatever.scalzi.com/2011/11/10/omelas-state-university/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know if anyone is still following this thread, but Joe Scalzi nutshelled the situation perfectly (as he often does): http://whatever.scalzi.com/2011/11/10/omelas-state-university/</p>
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		<title>By: Jupiter BFPOE</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jupiter BFPOE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am fully biased, Joe is my Sorority  Uncle (my mom and his wife were members of the same sorority). Both my parents went to PSU and I have been a Nittany Lion fan for my entire life and have looked up to Joe the entire time seeing him as and example of dedication and integrity. (I went to UCSD and we didn&#039;t have a football team because when we did we would get beat by CalTech on a regular basis.)

I am physically ill over what has happened and I cannot make an excuse for Joe. In all honesty, I think I may have taken the willful ignorance pass it up the chain approach like Joe.  I think if we&#039;re being honest with ourselves many of us would do whatever we could to try to not get involved in a situation.

Joe should of pursued the issue further even if he only had general details of what happened.  But he passed what he knew on to his superiors, and the head of campus security, and, I assume, trusted them to deal with the situation appropriately, they failed and have been charged legally for their negligence and apparent lying about what they knew.

In 2000 a PSU janitor saw Sandusky performing oral sex on a boy in the locker rooms, this was reported to two other people including his superior.  His superior told him who he should report it to, if he wanted to, he did not do it.  Three additional people did less than Joe but I don&#039;t hear calls to throw them in jail.

So my problem with all of this is that Joe was only one of several people who failed the children that were victimized by Sandusky, yet most of the vitriol seems to be aimed at Joe because he is the most prominent figure.  While Joe is deserving of some of this anger,  I cannot dismiss Joe&#039;s 60 years of dedication and integrity to the students of PSU and college football as a mitigating factor. He has stated very recently that he wanted to keep coaching.  He didn&#039;t need to do it, he wanted to do it because he loved it, and he loved working with the &quot;kids&quot;.  I hoped that he would just drop dead at the end of the last game of the season one year--dying doing what he loved.  

His retirement at the conclusion of this season seems to me to be a very harsh, but not inappropriate consequence.  The thing he loves most is being taken away from him and I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if he passes-on soon after as older people often do when the things they love disappear in old age.  Dismissing Joe before the end of the season would cause unfair harm to the student athletes who have worked so hard to be a part of the Penn State team and were not a part of this other than being PSU students on the football team.  Why should they get punished?

It&#039;s nice to know that you can do everything right for 84 years but one lapse of judgement, when others did even less, and America will pick up their pitchforks and torches and call for your head.  I don&#039;t think that&#039;s America at her best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am fully biased, Joe is my Sorority  Uncle (my mom and his wife were members of the same sorority). Both my parents went to PSU and I have been a Nittany Lion fan for my entire life and have looked up to Joe the entire time seeing him as and example of dedication and integrity. (I went to UCSD and we didn&#8217;t have a football team because when we did we would get beat by CalTech on a regular basis.)</p>
<p>I am physically ill over what has happened and I cannot make an excuse for Joe. In all honesty, I think I may have taken the willful ignorance pass it up the chain approach like Joe.  I think if we&#8217;re being honest with ourselves many of us would do whatever we could to try to not get involved in a situation.</p>
<p>Joe should of pursued the issue further even if he only had general details of what happened.  But he passed what he knew on to his superiors, and the head of campus security, and, I assume, trusted them to deal with the situation appropriately, they failed and have been charged legally for their negligence and apparent lying about what they knew.</p>
<p>In 2000 a PSU janitor saw Sandusky performing oral sex on a boy in the locker rooms, this was reported to two other people including his superior.  His superior told him who he should report it to, if he wanted to, he did not do it.  Three additional people did less than Joe but I don&#8217;t hear calls to throw them in jail.</p>
<p>So my problem with all of this is that Joe was only one of several people who failed the children that were victimized by Sandusky, yet most of the vitriol seems to be aimed at Joe because he is the most prominent figure.  While Joe is deserving of some of this anger,  I cannot dismiss Joe&#8217;s 60 years of dedication and integrity to the students of PSU and college football as a mitigating factor. He has stated very recently that he wanted to keep coaching.  He didn&#8217;t need to do it, he wanted to do it because he loved it, and he loved working with the &#8220;kids&#8221;.  I hoped that he would just drop dead at the end of the last game of the season one year&#8211;dying doing what he loved.  </p>
<p>His retirement at the conclusion of this season seems to me to be a very harsh, but not inappropriate consequence.  The thing he loves most is being taken away from him and I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if he passes-on soon after as older people often do when the things they love disappear in old age.  Dismissing Joe before the end of the season would cause unfair harm to the student athletes who have worked so hard to be a part of the Penn State team and were not a part of this other than being PSU students on the football team.  Why should they get punished?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s nice to know that you can do everything right for 84 years but one lapse of judgement, when others did even less, and America will pick up their pitchforks and torches and call for your head.  I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s America at her best.</p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/08/joe-paterno-not-getting-it.html#comment-1266148</link>
		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 20:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re kidding right. What more proof do you need? The writing&#039;s on the wall here.</description>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 19:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The law does not require the passing on to the police of unsubstantiated accusations.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Actually it does in certain circumstances as long as the accusation is credible. As an educator at a public university I believe the coach is considered a &quot;mandatory reporter&quot; under state law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The law does not require the passing on to the police of unsubstantiated accusations.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually it does in certain circumstances as long as the accusation is credible. As an educator at a public university I believe the coach is considered a &#8220;mandatory reporter&#8221; under state law.</p>
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		<title>By: grimc</title>
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		<dc:creator>grimc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 19:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more.&quot;

- Joe Paterno

So those who claim that there&#039;s nothing more he could have done, there you have it from the man himself. Even he thinks he could have done more. He didn&#039;t. He could&#039;ve confronted Sandusky about it, but he didn&#039;t. He could&#039;ve demanded that Sandusky not be permitted to run youth football camps with the endorsement of PSU, but he didn&#039;t. He could&#039;ve denied Sandusky use of PSU football facilities, but he didn&#039;t.

Should he be prosecuted? No. And neither should he continue to be deified as a patron saint of college football.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more.&#8221;</p>
<p>- Joe Paterno</p>
<p>So those who claim that there&#8217;s nothing more he could have done, there you have it from the man himself. Even he thinks he could have done more. He didn&#8217;t. He could&#8217;ve confronted Sandusky about it, but he didn&#8217;t. He could&#8217;ve demanded that Sandusky not be permitted to run youth football camps with the endorsement of PSU, but he didn&#8217;t. He could&#8217;ve denied Sandusky use of PSU football facilities, but he didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Should he be prosecuted? No. And neither should he continue to be deified as a patron saint of college football.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Maxwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Maxwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 19:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without any support of people who hushed this up, JoePa is in a no win here.  He is given a hearsay report by a grad student.  Not a colleague.  No first-hand information.  He passed these accusations on to a supervisor as university policy requires he do, and takes what actions he&#039;s permitted in his capacity at the university.  The law does not require the passing on to the police of unsubstantiated accusations.

The grad student is most liable for not going to the police if he/she had actual first-hand knowledge.  Period.

It is easy to scream &quot;think of the children,&quot; and rightfully so.  But children&#039;s rights are protected very diligently in these cases, not so much those who are wrongfully accused, and that tactic arises more often than you might think.  If there were strong protections against maliciously maligning one&#039;s character with such accusations which are deliberate fallacies perhaps this wouldn&#039;t be the case.  Those under such suspicion are not treated with respect, and given the gravity of such allegations, seldom with the simple legal &quot;presumption of innocence until proven guilty.&quot;  Yet given the gnat-like attention span of American news reporting, a student&#039;s allegation against a teacher will be headline news for days, but that teacher&#039;s exoneration and the student&#039;s indictment on having made it up over some sort of petty vendetta will get remarkably little coverage.  

I&#039;m a parent and believe that we brook entirely too much mistreatment of children at many levels, and believe in advocating for greater protections.  But it is utterly inappropriate to cast aspersions on someone&#039;s character without proof of some sort.  

What should Paterno have done?  Tell the police what?  Hold the grad student&#039;s hand as he/she made the call?  Put yourself in each of their places and consider their positions before going into knee-jerk hang-them-all mode, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without any support of people who hushed this up, JoePa is in a no win here.  He is given a hearsay report by a grad student.  Not a colleague.  No first-hand information.  He passed these accusations on to a supervisor as university policy requires he do, and takes what actions he&#8217;s permitted in his capacity at the university.  The law does not require the passing on to the police of unsubstantiated accusations.</p>
<p>The grad student is most liable for not going to the police if he/she had actual first-hand knowledge.  Period.</p>
<p>It is easy to scream &#8220;think of the children,&#8221; and rightfully so.  But children&#8217;s rights are protected very diligently in these cases, not so much those who are wrongfully accused, and that tactic arises more often than you might think.  If there were strong protections against maliciously maligning one&#8217;s character with such accusations which are deliberate fallacies perhaps this wouldn&#8217;t be the case.  Those under such suspicion are not treated with respect, and given the gravity of such allegations, seldom with the simple legal &#8220;presumption of innocence until proven guilty.&#8221;  Yet given the gnat-like attention span of American news reporting, a student&#8217;s allegation against a teacher will be headline news for days, but that teacher&#8217;s exoneration and the student&#8217;s indictment on having made it up over some sort of petty vendetta will get remarkably little coverage.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a parent and believe that we brook entirely too much mistreatment of children at many levels, and believe in advocating for greater protections.  But it is utterly inappropriate to cast aspersions on someone&#8217;s character without proof of some sort.  </p>
<p>What should Paterno have done?  Tell the police what?  Hold the grad student&#8217;s hand as he/she made the call?  Put yourself in each of their places and consider their positions before going into knee-jerk hang-them-all mode, please.</p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 19:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;My solution? Joe should announce that he is retiring after this season.  Right now PSU has a great chance of reaching the Rose Bowl…&lt;/blockquote&gt;This is a perfect example of how fanaticism in sports can warp the cognitive abilities of otherwise reasonable people. (Yes, &quot;fan&quot; is short for &quot;fanatic.&quot;)

If Paterno did something wrong then he needs to make amends immediately. If he didn&#039;t then he needs to clear his name and move on. Either way &lt;em&gt;the freakin&#039; Rose Bowl&lt;/em&gt; just doesn&#039;t figure into it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>My solution? Joe should announce that he is retiring after this season.  Right now PSU has a great chance of reaching the Rose Bowl…</p></blockquote>
<p>This is a perfect example of how fanaticism in sports can warp the cognitive abilities of otherwise reasonable people. (Yes, &#8220;fan&#8221; is short for &#8220;fanatic.&#8221;)</p>
<p>If Paterno did something wrong then he needs to make amends immediately. If he didn&#8217;t then he needs to clear his name and move on. Either way <em>the freakin&#8217; Rose Bowl</em> just doesn&#8217;t figure into it.</p>
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		<title>By: ChicagoD</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChicagoD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 18:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But you&#039;re arguing the law and the criticism has to do with morality and responsibility. JoePa apparently complied with the law, but for God&#039;s sake, how could he have stopped there? I mean, your friend and heir-apparent is accused of raping youths. You don&#039;t have a sit-down with him and ask what&#039;s up? You don&#039;t say something like &quot;I don&#039;t know what&#039;s going on, but these are very serious things that have to be addressed.&quot; I&#039;m not even talking about accusing the guy. I&#039;m talking about *ANY* step further than reporting a conversation you had with someone else to campus security.

I think JoePa didn&#039;t do that because he was afraid of what he would hear if he did that. I think the potential consequences were worse to him than more children being molested, and so he didn&#039;t do it. He may not have thought of it in those stark terms, but how else do you get where things are today?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But you&#8217;re arguing the law and the criticism has to do with morality and responsibility. JoePa apparently complied with the law, but for God&#8217;s sake, how could he have stopped there? I mean, your friend and heir-apparent is accused of raping youths. You don&#8217;t have a sit-down with him and ask what&#8217;s up? You don&#8217;t say something like &#8220;I don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s going on, but these are very serious things that have to be addressed.&#8221; I&#8217;m not even talking about accusing the guy. I&#8217;m talking about *ANY* step further than reporting a conversation you had with someone else to campus security.</p>
<p>I think JoePa didn&#8217;t do that because he was afraid of what he would hear if he did that. I think the potential consequences were worse to him than more children being molested, and so he didn&#8217;t do it. He may not have thought of it in those stark terms, but how else do you get where things are today?</p>
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		<title>By: TJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 18:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judging by my Facebook feed, I&#039;m surprised that the primary concern here seems to be how this will effect the rest of the sport&#039;s season, not whether or not there are, you know, possible greater issues that need to be considered.  

Somewhere, a point has been missed.  A very large point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judging by my Facebook feed, I&#8217;m surprised that the primary concern here seems to be how this will effect the rest of the sport&#8217;s season, not whether or not there are, you know, possible greater issues that need to be considered.  </p>
<p>Somewhere, a point has been missed.  A very large point.</p>
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		<title>By: GuyInMilwaukee</title>
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		<dc:creator>GuyInMilwaukee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...but Joe told exactly the right people... and walked away.
(there.. I fixed it for you.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;but Joe told exactly the right people&#8230; and walked away.<br />
(there.. I fixed it for you.)</p>
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		<title>By: frontline99</title>
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		<dc:creator>frontline99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 17:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At large universities like Penn State or Ohio state where I went, the police department is a REAL police department and they have to abide by jurisdiction. If this happened at the university, the university police ARE THE ACTUAL POLICE IN CHARGE. For large investigations like this, they cooperate with larger departments, but Joe told exactly the right people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At large universities like Penn State or Ohio state where I went, the police department is a REAL police department and they have to abide by jurisdiction. If this happened at the university, the university police ARE THE ACTUAL POLICE IN CHARGE. For large investigations like this, they cooperate with larger departments, but Joe told exactly the right people.</p>
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		<title>By: GuyInMilwaukee</title>
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		<dc:creator>GuyInMilwaukee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 17:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you thought it was ugly so far... I think it&#039;s just beginning: 
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html?_r=3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you thought it was ugly so far&#8230; I think it&#8217;s just beginning:<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html?_r=3" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html?_r=3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dan P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 16:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paterno did escalate it to the police.  That is why Curley and Shultz are out.  THEY ARE/WERE THE POLICE.  Did you read the article and understand everything it encompassed   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paterno did escalate it to the police.  That is why Curley and Shultz are out.  THEY ARE/WERE THE POLICE.  Did you read the article and understand everything it encompassed   </p>
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		<title>By: Jon Bakos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Bakos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 16:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to wonder how many other folks would be allowed to &#039;finish out the season&#039; like this in other professions.

&quot;So as your principal I was standing by letting you kids get buttsecksed by the dozens, and I&#039;m going to step down.  But I feel it is best for me to be with you here for the rest of the year, because I&#039;m obviously such a good guardian of you and your precious, nubile little behinds.&quot;

Also, I can sort of understand the grad student&#039;s plight because even if he *did* want to report things, he&#039;s reporting a major football coach, which as we discussed is about like ratting on God if you&#039;re at PSU.

But Joe WAS God in that place - he had no fear of reprisal, no cabal of superiors to worry about. ...except the cabal he was a part of.  Absolutely sick.  Hopefully schools will start realizing that unlimited power for freaking football is a terrible idea, but I&#039;m not optimistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to wonder how many other folks would be allowed to &#8216;finish out the season&#8217; like this in other professions.</p>
<p>&#8220;So as your principal I was standing by letting you kids get buttsecksed by the dozens, and I&#8217;m going to step down.  But I feel it is best for me to be with you here for the rest of the year, because I&#8217;m obviously such a good guardian of you and your precious, nubile little behinds.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also, I can sort of understand the grad student&#8217;s plight because even if he *did* want to report things, he&#8217;s reporting a major football coach, which as we discussed is about like ratting on God if you&#8217;re at PSU.</p>
<p>But Joe WAS God in that place &#8211; he had no fear of reprisal, no cabal of superiors to worry about. &#8230;except the cabal he was a part of.  Absolutely sick.  Hopefully schools will start realizing that unlimited power for freaking football is a terrible idea, but I&#8217;m not optimistic.</p>
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		<title>By: ChicagoD</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChicagoD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JoePa has never been articulate. The knowledge he had and what he (didn&#039;t) do with it is a bigger problem than his inability to speak clearly on a topic that probably freaks him out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JoePa has never been articulate. The knowledge he had and what he (didn&#8217;t) do with it is a bigger problem than his inability to speak clearly on a topic that probably freaks him out.</p>
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		<title>By: ChicagoD</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChicagoD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nah. The Greeks never would have tolerated penetration. JoePa is out of step with ancient Greeks as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah. The Greeks never would have tolerated penetration. JoePa is out of step with ancient Greeks as well.</p>
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		<title>By: ChicagoD</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChicagoD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually stopping the rape in the moment would also have been a nice touch. Killing the rapist in the moment is optional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually stopping the rape in the moment would also have been a nice touch. Killing the rapist in the moment is optional.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my prayer is that 911 arrives before the perp leaves, so I don&#039;t have to lay hands on him. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my prayer is that 911 arrives before the perp leaves, so I don&#8217;t have to lay hands on him. </p>
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		<title>By: colin99</title>
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		<dc:creator>colin99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &quot;The kids that were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them.&quot;  ------- whatever they want to say?????? Yes, they were victims and it&#039;s a little late to be saying prayers for them. Action at the time would have saved many of them from the abuse rather than prayers later on. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> &#8221;The kids that were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them.&#8221;  &#8212;&#8212;- whatever they want to say?????? Yes, they were victims and it&#8217;s a little late to be saying prayers for them. Action at the time would have saved many of them from the abuse rather than prayers later on. </p>
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		<title>By: fxq</title>
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		<dc:creator>fxq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incidental, weird, creepy story....

Just recently I&#039;ve be trawling the HP WebOS support forums for random hacks and ideas of things to do with my orphaned HPTouchpad. I eventually found myself reading a thread where Penn State Athletic Department employees were complaining about how unreliable using wifi was around the gym. Apparently, a number of posters on the thread were enthusiastic about using their touchpads to share pictures and the spotty wifi was a big issue to them.

Suddenly, while finishing reading the thread, &quot;Penn State,&quot; &quot;HPTouchpad,&quot; &quot;Picture Sharing,&quot; and &quot;Assistant Coach&quot; amalgamated into a particularly nightmarish vision that made me throw up in my mouth a little.

I have too much imagination and it&#039;s all the bad kind today. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidental, weird, creepy story&#8230;.</p>
<p>Just recently I&#8217;ve be trawling the HP WebOS support forums for random hacks and ideas of things to do with my orphaned HPTouchpad. I eventually found myself reading a thread where Penn State Athletic Department employees were complaining about how unreliable using wifi was around the gym. Apparently, a number of posters on the thread were enthusiastic about using their touchpads to share pictures and the spotty wifi was a big issue to them.</p>
<p>Suddenly, while finishing reading the thread, &#8220;Penn State,&#8221; &#8220;HPTouchpad,&#8221; &#8220;Picture Sharing,&#8221; and &#8220;Assistant Coach&#8221; amalgamated into a particularly nightmarish vision that made me throw up in my mouth a little.</p>
<p>I have too much imagination and it&#8217;s all the bad kind today. :(</p>
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		<title>By: dmceleven</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmceleven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading this, I&#039;m pretty sure that someone, somewhere, is brewing up a &quot;You know who the real victim is here&quot; talking point: http://onwardstate.com/2011/11/09/on-my-heros-doorstep/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading this, I&#8217;m pretty sure that someone, somewhere, is brewing up a &#8220;You know who the real victim is here&#8221; talking point: <a href="http://onwardstate.com/2011/11/09/on-my-heros-doorstep/" rel="nofollow">http://onwardstate.com/2011/11/09/on-my-heros-doorstep/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nick Misek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Misek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At best, this comment by Paterno is taken out of context by this article&#039;s author. At worst, it is a complete misquote. It&#039;s hard to tell exactly what Joe Paterno is saying amongst all the noise and his inability to enunciate, but what I got from the video clip was that he was trying to avoid saying &#039;molested&#039; while admitting that it had happened and that the children are the ones who we should be most concerned about. 

A lot of people here are completely missing that point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At best, this comment by Paterno is taken out of context by this article&#8217;s author. At worst, it is a complete misquote. It&#8217;s hard to tell exactly what Joe Paterno is saying amongst all the noise and his inability to enunciate, but what I got from the video clip was that he was trying to avoid saying &#8216;molested&#8217; while admitting that it had happened and that the children are the ones who we should be most concerned about. </p>
<p>A lot of people here are completely missing that point.</p>
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		<title>By: Layne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Layne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also not getting it: Penn State Football fans... 

How anyone involved let this slide is beyond me. And that includes the grad student who saw an adolescent being raped and chose to leave the scene. If I walked out of that shower room it would only be to come back with a 2 x 4 to beat Sandusky into a coma. And don&#039;t forget, this was the second reported violation regarding the assistant coach. 

With these kinds of predators, there&#039;s ALWAYS  an ominous, uncomfortable history that everyone chooses to ignore. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also not getting it: Penn State Football fans&#8230; </p>
<p>How anyone involved let this slide is beyond me. And that includes the grad student who saw an adolescent being raped and chose to leave the scene. If I walked out of that shower room it would only be to come back with a 2 x 4 to beat Sandusky into a coma. And don&#8217;t forget, this was the second reported violation regarding the assistant coach. </p>
<p>With these kinds of predators, there&#8217;s ALWAYS  an ominous, uncomfortable history that everyone chooses to ignore. </p>
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		<title>By: zebbart</title>
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		<dc:creator>zebbart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That sounds shitty, but maaaybe he was aware of the controversy over the term &quot;victim&quot; and &quot;survivor&quot; and didn&#039;t know what he was supposed to call them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sounds shitty, but maaaybe he was aware of the controversy over the term &#8220;victim&#8221; and &#8220;survivor&#8221; and didn&#8217;t know what he was supposed to call them?</p>
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		<title>By: SamSam</title>
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		<dc:creator>SamSam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And then Paterno contacted his superior and the person who oversaw the University Police Dept ?  Which is what he was required to do?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No, he was required to tell the &lt;i&gt;actual&lt;/i&gt; police. You know, the ones who have the power to arrest people, not the ones charged with driving the shuttle van between blue lights so that drunk students can get home safely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And then Paterno contacted his superior and the person who oversaw the University Police Dept ?  Which is what he was required to do?</p></blockquote>
<p>No, he was required to tell the <i>actual</i> police. You know, the ones who have the power to arrest people, not the ones charged with driving the shuttle van between blue lights so that drunk students can get home safely.</p>
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		<title>By: edi</title>
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		<dc:creator>edi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“You have to perform at a consistently higher level than others. That is the mark of a true professional.” “Losing a game is heartbreaking. Losing your sense of excellence or worth is a tragedy.” Two separate Paterno quotes, but these only apply to college football and not the game of life, right? Riiiiiiiiight. This man has made a career and a name for himself by EXCELLING. Even if he did do the bare minimum here, he seems to believe doing the bare minimum is never enough. This is the tragedy, Joe. 
No child should ever be subject to abuse of any sort. It is disturbing on a level I cannot describe that so many young boys&#039; lives were ruined and it was covered up in the name of football and Penn State. Really unbelievable. 
The grad student is Mike McQueary who is employed as an assistant football coach at Penn State. Yes, I think he needs to lose his job too. It states in the Grand Jury Presentment (which I nauseously and tearfully read through last night) that he saw Sandusky with the boy in the shower and they saw him. How the hell can anyone walk away from that? To hell with Sandusky, let him run, let the cops find him, whatever. Get the boy a towel and take him to the hospital, for the love of all that is good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“You have to perform at a consistently higher level than others. That is the mark of a true professional.” “Losing a game is heartbreaking. Losing your sense of excellence or worth is a tragedy.” Two separate Paterno quotes, but these only apply to college football and not the game of life, right? Riiiiiiiiight. This man has made a career and a name for himself by EXCELLING. Even if he did do the bare minimum here, he seems to believe doing the bare minimum is never enough. This is the tragedy, Joe. <br />
No child should ever be subject to abuse of any sort. It is disturbing on a level I cannot describe that so many young boys&#8217; lives were ruined and it was covered up in the name of football and Penn State. Really unbelievable.<br />
The grad student is Mike McQueary who is employed as an assistant football coach at Penn State. Yes, I think he needs to lose his job too. It states in the Grand Jury Presentment (which I nauseously and tearfully read through last night) that he saw Sandusky with the boy in the shower and they saw him. How the hell can anyone walk away from that? To hell with Sandusky, let him run, let the cops find him, whatever. Get the boy a towel and take him to the hospital, for the love of all that is good.</p>
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		<title>By: Lobster</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;or whatever they want to say&quot;

So.  Did he think that would make him sound MORE sincere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;or whatever they want to say&#8221;</p>
<p>So.  Did he think that would make him sound MORE sincere?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest, the biggest villain in this whole coverup is the grad student. He WITNESSED IT, and didn&#039;t:

A. raise holy hell everywhere
B. go to the cops
C. if nothing happened, resign your post, and tell everyone why

I remember seeing somewhere that he told Paterno that there was &quot;inappropriate behavior&quot; going on. We don&#039;t know what exactly that grad student said, and likely never will, but not going to the cops, and letting this &quot;paragon of the community&quot; continue to destroy the lives of more boys is... morally corrupt, and likely puts you in a place of legal liability.

This whole case has made me furious in a way that very few abuse cases have. Probably because so many people willingly covered it up for so long - when saying ONE SENTENCE to a police officer would have saved children from rape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest, the biggest villain in this whole coverup is the grad student. He WITNESSED IT, and didn&#8217;t:</p>
<p>A. raise holy hell everywhere<br />
B. go to the cops<br />
C. if nothing happened, resign your post, and tell everyone why</p>
<p>I remember seeing somewhere that he told Paterno that there was &#8220;inappropriate behavior&#8221; going on. We don&#8217;t know what exactly that grad student said, and likely never will, but not going to the cops, and letting this &#8220;paragon of the community&#8221; continue to destroy the lives of more boys is&#8230; morally corrupt, and likely puts you in a place of legal liability.</p>
<p>This whole case has made me furious in a way that very few abuse cases have. Probably because so many people willingly covered it up for so long &#8211; when saying ONE SENTENCE to a police officer would have saved children from rape.</p>
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		<title>By: Cori Frazer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cori Frazer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a rape crisis counselor in the state of PA, what I understand about the mandated reporting that should have happened here is that it is the responsibility of the person with the most authority to report to the police. While I hate to defend Paterno, as ethically, I believe he should have done more, he had a reasonable expectation for the police commissioner to carry out procedure with the alleged perpetrator. In child abuse cases, hearsay by mandated reporters (which in PA is anyone who works with children, including police) is required by law to be reported. Unless Paterno was a mandated reporter, himself, there is no legal expectation for him to report child abuse. Same goes for the grad student. It&#039;s gross, but it&#039;s true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a rape crisis counselor in the state of PA, what I understand about the mandated reporting that should have happened here is that it is the responsibility of the person with the most authority to report to the police. While I hate to defend Paterno, as ethically, I believe he should have done more, he had a reasonable expectation for the police commissioner to carry out procedure with the alleged perpetrator. In child abuse cases, hearsay by mandated reporters (which in PA is anyone who works with children, including police) is required by law to be reported. Unless Paterno was a mandated reporter, himself, there is no legal expectation for him to report child abuse. Same goes for the grad student. It&#8217;s gross, but it&#8217;s true.</p>
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