Comments on: Flash in the pan http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Wed, 22 May 2013 22:26:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Alias Cummins http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html#comment-1267279 Alias Cummins Thu, 10 Nov 2011 22:47:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=128292#comment-1267279 Not seen much WebGL then, I guess! Not seen much WebGL then, I guess!

]]> By: JimEJim http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html#comment-1266118 JimEJim Wed, 09 Nov 2011 20:30:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=128292#comment-1266118 It performs crappy, but the idea of flash was never that bad.  It was consistent and actually worked cross-platform for the most part, which is more than you can say for some of it's competitors.  It's unfortunate that Adobe was not competent enough to make it more stable. HTML (every version) will continue to have the problem of different browsers deciding to interpret the standard however they see fit, and Apple, for all its lip service, will do its part to make its version incompatible with other browsers, just like Microsoft, Mozilla, and Google.  The death of Flash is not necessarily a good thing.  We're still in for plenty of headaches, as others have already pointed out with the video formats, just to begin.  It performs crappy, but the idea of flash was never that bad.  It was consistent and actually worked cross-platform for the most part, which is more than you can say for some of it’s competitors.  It’s unfortunate that Adobe was not competent enough to make it more stable.

HTML (every version) will continue to have the problem of different browsers deciding to interpret the standard however they see fit, and Apple, for all its lip service, will do its part to make its version incompatible with other browsers, just like Microsoft, Mozilla, and Google. 

The death of Flash is not necessarily a good thing.  We’re still in for plenty of headaches, as others have already pointed out with the video formats, just to begin. 

]]> By: dolo54 http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html#comment-1265908 dolo54 Wed, 09 Nov 2011 17:55:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=128292#comment-1265908 HTML5 is going to be awesome! Nothing better than developing and debugging on 10-20 odd platforms/configurations instead of 1. It's going to be so much fun waiting for a slow, laborious consortium to approve new web standards, and then waiting for browsers to partially implement differing subsets of those standards little by little until we can finally use those new standards in the real world. I just hope I live long enough to see HTML5 adapted by everyone http://www.webmonkey.com/2008/09/html_5_won_t_be_ready_until_2022dot_yes__2022dot/ HTML5 is going to be awesome! Nothing better than developing and debugging on 10-20 odd platforms/configurations instead of 1. It’s going to be so much fun waiting for a slow, laborious consortium to approve new web standards, and then waiting for browsers to partially implement differing subsets of those standards little by little until we can finally use those new standards in the real world. I just hope I live long enough to see HTML5 adapted by everyone http://www.webmonkey.com/2008/09/html_5_won_t_be_ready_until_2022dot_yes__2022dot/

]]> By: ☞ DcTurner http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html#comment-1265789 ☞ DcTurner Wed, 09 Nov 2011 16:25:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=128292#comment-1265789 That's sort of the point, someone has to figure it out. Missing functionality - someone will figure it out - *again* That’s sort of the point, someone has to figure it out. Missing functionality – someone will figure it out – *again*

]]> By: ☞ DcTurner http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html#comment-1265787 ☞ DcTurner Wed, 09 Nov 2011 16:23:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=128292#comment-1265787 wow...   wow…  

]]> By: daneyul http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html#comment-1265778 daneyul Wed, 09 Nov 2011 16:10:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=128292#comment-1265778 Yeah, you're just Apple. Yeah, you’re just Apple.

]]> By: Guest http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html#comment-1265758 Guest Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:44:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=128292#comment-1265758 If everything is about getting paid, you're not an Apple user.  If everything is about getting paid, you’re not an Apple user. 

]]> By: Guest http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html#comment-1265752 Guest Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:41:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=128292#comment-1265752 So the holding out -WAS- personal! I thought so. Nobody calculates such bad decisions. So the holding out -WAS- personal!

I thought so. Nobody calculates such bad decisions.

]]> By: r http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html#comment-1265753 r Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:41:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=128292#comment-1265753 Yeah, this is a real tragedy. I'm sure no one will figure out how to make that work. Yeah, this is a real tragedy. I’m sure no one will figure out how to make that work.

]]> By: ☞ DcTurner http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html#comment-1265743 ☞ DcTurner Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:36:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=128292#comment-1265743 Well you'll get plenty of swanky animated html ads, don't worry about that (without the easy ad-blocking too) What I'm talking about is ad-serving video. You know, monetising video content -> getting paid when people view your work. Well you’ll get plenty of swanky animated html ads, don’t worry about that (without the easy ad-blocking too)

What I’m talking about is ad-serving video. You know, monetising video content -> getting paid when people view your work.

]]> By: r http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html#comment-1265732 r Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:25:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=128292#comment-1265732 Yeah, I'm real disappointed I can't get Flash ads delivered to my mobile device. Yeah, I’m real disappointed I can’t get Flash ads delivered to my mobile device.

]]> By: GTMoogle http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html#comment-1265725 GTMoogle Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:10:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=128292#comment-1265725 Clearly what this indicates is that Adobe was just trolling Steve all along, but now the jokes over. Clearly what this indicates is that Adobe was just trolling Steve all along, but now the jokes over.

]]> By: Doran http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html#comment-1265722 Doran Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:09:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=128292#comment-1265722 Flash is the <i>only</i> thing which crashes my machine. I'll be glad when it's gone completely. Flash is the only thing which crashes my machine. I’ll be glad when it’s gone completely.

]]> By: teapot http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html#comment-1265716 teapot Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:03:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=128292#comment-1265716 Yeah.. get a phone that respects the fact that you own and have full control of it and you won't have a problem with flash. All the wanky, sweeping emotional advertising in the world still won't make your device effectively handle the range of formats the web is built from. Its also nice being able to dump whatever vids or files I want on it without reformatting them in some particular container. Oh, and being able to access the only part of any device guaranteed to fail at some point (battery) is handy. Form means nothing to me compared to versatility and function. Yeah.. get a phone that respects the fact that you own and have full control of it and you won’t have a problem with flash. All the wanky, sweeping emotional advertising in the world still won’t make your device effectively handle the range of formats the web is built from.

Its also nice being able to dump whatever vids or files I want on it without reformatting them in some particular container. Oh, and being able to access the only part of any device guaranteed to fail at some point (battery) is handy. Form means nothing to me compared to versatility and function.

]]> By: Andrew Molloy http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html#comment-1265713 Andrew Molloy Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:56:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=128292#comment-1265713 Ummm they're giving up on the Flash player for mobile devices, that's not quite synonymous with giving up on Flash. If you read the article they're pushing AIR for mobile which is actually Flash based for the most part, and there's 3D hardware accelerated Flash for the desktop which doesn't compete with HTML at all. Flash web development is bigger now than it ever was, I see that every day with the current big project contract requirements in my industry. If you're a flash developer today there are actually more publishing possibilities and uses of that technologies and languages (Actionscript, MXML) than ever before. Ummm they’re giving up on the Flash player for mobile devices, that’s not quite synonymous with giving up on Flash. If you read the article they’re pushing AIR for mobile which is actually Flash based for the most part, and there’s 3D hardware accelerated Flash for the desktop which doesn’t compete with HTML at all. Flash web development is bigger now than it ever was, I see that every day with the current big project contract requirements in my industry. If you’re a flash developer today there are actually more publishing possibilities and uses of that technologies and languages (Actionscript, MXML) than ever before.

]]> By: Bobdotcom http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html#comment-1265691 Bobdotcom Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:22:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=128292#comment-1265691 "Adobe... refocuses effort on HTML5" Which they'll likely bugger up as well. “Adobe… refocuses effort on HTML5″
Which they’ll likely bugger up as well.

]]> By: petertrepan http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html#comment-1265688 petertrepan Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:18:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=128292#comment-1265688 Now comes the cold war between competing HTML5 standards and codecs. :) Now comes the cold war between competing HTML5 standards and codecs. :)

]]> By: s2redux http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html#comment-1265687 s2redux Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:16:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=128292#comment-1265687  Oh lordy, Santa just left Gruber a stocking full of Viagra.  Oh lordy, Santa just left Gruber a stocking full of Viagra.

]]> By: ☞ DcTurner http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html#comment-1265684 ☞ DcTurner Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:10:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=128292#comment-1265684 Boom!  hehe.  You crazy kids these days with your GUIs, I surf my webs via the command line :) Boom!  hehe. 

You crazy kids these days with your GUIs, I surf my webs via the command line :)

]]> By: ☞ DcTurner http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html#comment-1265683 ☞ DcTurner Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:08:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=128292#comment-1265683 You might want to tell the rest of the web then. h.264 is a proprietary format, not free, not standardised. People still have to choose between h.264, OGG and hey, even Quicktime (a web plugin that Apple likes, so that's cool). This doesn't even address the functionality issues - no good solution exists for ad-serving html5 content, UI overlays, live streaming, captions, p2p streaming.  It's still early days, and flash (at the moment) is still the better suited platform in my opinion. Html will absolutely catch up, but it's not the better tech at the moment. You might want to tell the rest of the web then. h.264 is a proprietary format, not free, not standardised. People still have to choose between h.264, OGG and hey, even Quicktime (a web plugin that Apple likes, so that’s cool).

This doesn’t even address the functionality issues – no good solution exists for ad-serving html5 content, UI overlays, live streaming, captions, p2p streaming.  It’s still early days, and flash (at the moment) is still the better suited platform in my opinion.

Html will absolutely catch up, but it’s not the better tech at the moment.

]]> By: Nick Hayday http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html#comment-1265678 Nick Hayday Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:01:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=128292#comment-1265678 An inferior solution won years ago, Steve even admitted it.....Windows An inferior solution won years ago, Steve even admitted it…..Windows

]]> By: Michael Kaltenecker http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html#comment-1265672 Michael Kaltenecker Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:55:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=128292#comment-1265672 The web has a de-facto standardized video format and it’s h.264. Android and iOS can play it natively. If someone offers HTML5 video they will be offering at least h.264.  The web has a de-facto standardized video format and it’s h.264. Android and iOS can play it natively. If someone offers HTML5 video they will be offering at least h.264. 

]]> By: kehfysik http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html#comment-1265673 kehfysik Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:55:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=128292#comment-1265673 Your Venn diagram of bastards is different from mine. Your Venn diagram of bastards is different from mine.

]]> By: ☞ DcTurner http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html#comment-1265666 ☞ DcTurner Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:44:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=128292#comment-1265666 Bleargh, I abandoned the iPhone last month and have been enjoying the freedom of having a flash enabled browser - I can click on any video I like, free of codec / support issues. Until html5 has a standardised video format, I will see it as a step backwards. It's exactly the same reason that flash video took off in the first place - it got around all the mess and codec squabbles involved in watching a video online. I welcome 99% of the flash -> html5 changeover, but with games and video we're not there yet, and anyone who says otherwise is probably not a developer. Ah well, it's not like this is the first time an inferior solution has won out. After all, people buy Apple products AMIRITE?? oooooooh troll :) Bleargh, I abandoned the iPhone last month and have been enjoying the freedom of having a flash enabled browser – I can click on any video I like, free of codec / support issues.

Until html5 has a standardised video format, I will see it as a step backwards. It’s exactly the same reason that flash video took off in the first place – it got around all the mess and codec squabbles involved in watching a video online.

I welcome 99% of the flash -> html5 changeover, but with games and video we’re not there yet, and anyone who says otherwise is probably not a developer.

Ah well, it’s not like this is the first time an inferior solution has won out. After all, people buy Apple products AMIRITE??

oooooooh troll :)

]]> By: Jim Saul http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html#comment-1265663 Jim Saul Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:35:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=128292#comment-1265663 Another side to my question is will they find a way to make their HTML5 development platform worth the premium cost? Another side to my question is will they find a way to make their HTML5 development platform worth the premium cost?

]]> By: daneyul http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html#comment-1265662 daneyul Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:33:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=128292#comment-1265662 We won Steve! We finally beat the bastards!  ...Steve? We won Steve! We finally beat the bastards! 

…Steve?

]]> By: Jim Saul http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html#comment-1265661 Jim Saul Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:31:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=128292#comment-1265661 Flash has recently become more unstable and slow for me on several different platforms... is HTML 5 likely to diminish its use, or is there still going to be a big advantage to using it in a wide variety of circumstances? Flash has recently become more unstable and slow for me on several different platforms… is HTML 5 likely to diminish its use, or is there still going to be a big advantage to using it in a wide variety of circumstances?

]]> By: John Voegtlin http://boingboing.net/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan.html#comment-1265660 John Voegtlin Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:30:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=128292#comment-1265660 HTML wins. The great 10+ year cold war between HTML and Flash web developing is coming to an end. Flash has finally forfeit. "Adobe... refocuses effort on HTML5" HTML wins. The great 10+ year cold war between HTML and Flash web developing is coming to an end. Flash has finally forfeit. “Adobe… refocuses effort on HTML5″

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