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	<title>Comments on: NYPD raid Occupy Wall Street, evict OWS encampment after two&#160;months</title>
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		<title>By: Sarms Jabra</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/15/occupy-wall-street-nypd-raid.html#comment-1271168</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarms Jabra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 06:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the mayor&#039;s twitter, the books are at least partially not destroyed. http://twitter.com/#!/NYCMayorsOffice/status/136544900815663106</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the mayor&#8217;s twitter, the books are at least partially not destroyed. http://twitter.com/#!/NYCMayorsOffice/status/136544900815663106</p>
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		<title>By: phoomp</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/15/occupy-wall-street-nypd-raid.html#comment-1271048</link>
		<dc:creator>phoomp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 04:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... the general public has always tended to support the elites anyways, so maybe this isn&#039;t For Them.&quot;

And, yet, that&#039;s *exactly* who it should be for.  Without the general public on side, change will never happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; the general public has always tended to support the elites anyways, so maybe this isn&#8217;t For Them.&#8221;</p>
<p>And, yet, that&#8217;s *exactly* who it should be for.  Without the general public on side, change will never happen.</p>
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		<title>By: phoomp</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/15/occupy-wall-street-nypd-raid.html#comment-1271046</link>
		<dc:creator>phoomp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 04:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree completely.  The Occupy movement has worthy goals (when you can find someone who can clearly articulate them), but if they think they can affect any chance simply through occupation, they&#039;re going to be disappointed.  The movement needs to learn how to effectively promote change by getting the average Joe to identify with them (something which most protest/social activism movements have challenges with).

OWS has created some of the critical mass it needs to move on to the next stage of protest, but now it needs to move beyond simply collecting bodies to it&#039;s cause; it needs to propose solutions, rather than just complain about problems, and it needs to educate it&#039;s followers to be able to present those solutions in ways that most people can identify with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely.  The Occupy movement has worthy goals (when you can find someone who can clearly articulate them), but if they think they can affect any chance simply through occupation, they&#8217;re going to be disappointed.  The movement needs to learn how to effectively promote change by getting the average Joe to identify with them (something which most protest/social activism movements have challenges with).</p>
<p>OWS has created some of the critical mass it needs to move on to the next stage of protest, but now it needs to move beyond simply collecting bodies to it&#8217;s cause; it needs to propose solutions, rather than just complain about problems, and it needs to educate it&#8217;s followers to be able to present those solutions in ways that most people can identify with.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyt Dotson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/15/occupy-wall-street-nypd-raid.html#comment-1270560</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyt Dotson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 22:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like the &quot;power of their arugements&quot; won out with a court order and Bloomberg is dishonestly ignoring it using dirty tricks and lies in order to avoid having to abide by it. It&#039;s not in the mayors political power to ignore court orders because they&#039;re inconvenient; and if his administration were to seek an emergency injunction against the order he&#039;d have to acknowledge it first.

Pushing journalists away from OWS before the raid is demonstrably and grossly anathema to the proper execution of our liberties. We&#039;ve already seen this sort of bad behavior on the part of police forces at the Battle of the Beanfield--the aftermath of lies about &quot;safety&quot; didn&#039;t stand up well in the courts of law then either.

The presence of journalists would serve to protect the police from false allegations as much as it would server to justify true allegations made by the police against protesters; otherwise, the ensuing lawsuits and failure of the police to support their own allegations may have to become the truncheon by which they&#039;re brought back into line. It saddens me that New York City and the NYPD stand to lose a great deal more money over this OWS eviction than they would have if they&#039;d chosen to take a less violent, stupid path.

I am also gravely concerned about the standard of &quot;safety&quot; when midnight raids target unarmed civilians with troops wearing armor and wielding caustic chemical agents as weapons. During one of these rousts, the police may end up killing someone by deliberately putting them in the most dangerous situation possible--blinded by night, unable to flee, choking on tear gas, surrounded by confusion and strife.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like the &#8220;power of their arugements&#8221; won out with a court order and Bloomberg is dishonestly ignoring it using dirty tricks and lies in order to avoid having to abide by it. It&#8217;s not in the mayors political power to ignore court orders because they&#8217;re inconvenient; and if his administration were to seek an emergency injunction against the order he&#8217;d have to acknowledge it first.</p>
<p>Pushing journalists away from OWS before the raid is demonstrably and grossly anathema to the proper execution of our liberties. We&#8217;ve already seen this sort of bad behavior on the part of police forces at the Battle of the Beanfield&#8211;the aftermath of lies about &#8220;safety&#8221; didn&#8217;t stand up well in the courts of law then either.</p>
<p>The presence of journalists would serve to protect the police from false allegations as much as it would server to justify true allegations made by the police against protesters; otherwise, the ensuing lawsuits and failure of the police to support their own allegations may have to become the truncheon by which they&#8217;re brought back into line. It saddens me that New York City and the NYPD stand to lose a great deal more money over this OWS eviction than they would have if they&#8217;d chosen to take a less violent, stupid path.</p>
<p>I am also gravely concerned about the standard of &#8220;safety&#8221; when midnight raids target unarmed civilians with troops wearing armor and wielding caustic chemical agents as weapons. During one of these rousts, the police may end up killing someone by deliberately putting them in the most dangerous situation possible&#8211;blinded by night, unable to flee, choking on tear gas, surrounded by confusion and strife.</p>
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		<title>By: scallywag</title>
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		<dc:creator>scallywag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 21:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mayor Bloomberg is insulting us all when he reduces what the protesters are doing down to an issue about a public park being open to play ball and walk dogs. This is about how 1% of society is bleeding the other 99% dry. Bloomberg’s personal fortune is nearly 20 billion dollars. Why should he care about you being able to pay the bills or having a job to go to? The powers that be want to characterise these protesters as scruffy anarchists hell bent on destroying capitalism. But this is far from what it is really about. It’s time we all get off our backsides and say enough is enough. Capitalism does not have to be about a society where 99% of people have to scrimp by, so that 1% can live super wealthy lifestyles.

http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2011/11/nyc-conducts-orchestrated-raid-on-occupy-wall-street-zuccotti-park-protesters-dirty-tactics-in-desperate-times/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mayor Bloomberg is insulting us all when he reduces what the protesters are doing down to an issue about a public park being open to play ball and walk dogs. This is about how 1% of society is bleeding the other 99% dry. Bloomberg’s personal fortune is nearly 20 billion dollars. Why should he care about you being able to pay the bills or having a job to go to? The powers that be want to characterise these protesters as scruffy anarchists hell bent on destroying capitalism. But this is far from what it is really about. It’s time we all get off our backsides and say enough is enough. Capitalism does not have to be about a society where 99% of people have to scrimp by, so that 1% can live super wealthy lifestyles.</p>
<p><a href="http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2011/11/nyc-conducts-orchestrated-raid-on-occupy-wall-street-zuccotti-park-protesters-dirty-tactics-in-desperate-times/" rel="nofollow">http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2011/11/nyc-conducts-orchestrated-raid-on-occupy-wall-street-zuccotti-park-protesters-dirty-tactics-in-desperate-times/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t let them do it themselves, someone might get hurt.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t let them do it themselves, someone might get hurt.  </p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sometimes it helps, in text, to actively close your sarcasm tag. &#039;/s&#039; works pretty well. :)  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sometimes it helps, in text, to actively close your sarcasm tag. &#8216;/s&#8217; works pretty well. :)  </p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/15/occupy-wall-street-nypd-raid.html#comment-1270374</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating how hard the City works at creating different classes of people on the fly, to then treat entirely differently from day to day. 

&quot;Protestors&quot; are &quot;the public&quot;. 

&quot;The public&quot; is not blocked from anything, it&#039;s just that there is limited space, and individual protestors are using some of it. When you protest you don&#039;t lose any rights. Rights are not things that can be denied you. Either nobody uses the park, or anyone does. 

Funny the capitalist types would try to use that &#039;tragedy of the commons&#039; argument against anyone else. Ironic, even.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating how hard the City works at creating different classes of people on the fly, to then treat entirely differently from day to day. </p>
<p>&#8220;Protestors&#8221; are &#8220;the public&#8221;. </p>
<p>&#8220;The public&#8221; is not blocked from anything, it&#8217;s just that there is limited space, and individual protestors are using some of it. When you protest you don&#8217;t lose any rights. Rights are not things that can be denied you. Either nobody uses the park, or anyone does. </p>
<p>Funny the capitalist types would try to use that &#8216;tragedy of the commons&#8217; argument against anyone else. Ironic, even.  </p>
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		<title>By: miasm</title>
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		<dc:creator>miasm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>check the live stream link above, there&#039;s movement at the fence and I think there&#039;s going to be an announcement on the judge&#039;s ruling?
the police just moved everyone away from the barrier...
the police seem to be deliberately not arresting people..
Edit, LOL not live reporting anymore... too many false verdicts!
should be about a minute according to the ppls mic...
Somebody in NY get to the hallal food cart next to the coffee shop next to the big red statue and get the cameraman a banana!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>check the live stream link above, there&#8217;s movement at the fence and I think there&#8217;s going to be an announcement on the judge&#8217;s ruling?<br />
the police just moved everyone away from the barrier&#8230;<br />
the police seem to be deliberately not arresting people..<br />
Edit, LOL not live reporting anymore&#8230; too many false verdicts!<br />
should be about a minute according to the ppls mic&#8230;<br />
Somebody in NY get to the hallal food cart next to the coffee shop next to the big red statue and get the cameraman a banana!!</p>
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		<title>By: hassenpfeffer</title>
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		<dc:creator>hassenpfeffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unsurprisingly, I seem to be wrong on any number of counts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LRAD#Against_protesters

&lt;blockquote&gt;The LRAD was used for the first time in the United States in Pittsburgh during the time of the G20 summit on September 24–25th, 2009.[9][10] Pittsburgh police again utilized LRAD as a precautionary measure to prevent unruly crowds from getting out of control following the 2011 Super Bowl. LRAD systems were also purchased by Toronto Police for the 2010 G20 summit....LRAD was also reportedly[12] used by the Oakland Police Department during the clearance of the Occupy Oaklandencampment on the morning of 25 October 2011.....LRAD use was also reported as the New York City Police department cleared protestors during the Occupy Wall Street protests in Zuccotti Park on the morning of 15 November 2011.[2]&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Note that I actually have no objection to LRAD or whatever else being deployed on rowdy Stillers fans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unsurprisingly, I seem to be wrong on any number of counts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LRAD#Against_protesters</p>
<blockquote><p>The LRAD was used for the first time in the United States in Pittsburgh during the time of the G20 summit on September 24–25th, 2009.[9][10] Pittsburgh police again utilized LRAD as a precautionary measure to prevent unruly crowds from getting out of control following the 2011 Super Bowl. LRAD systems were also purchased by Toronto Police for the 2010 G20 summit&#8230;.LRAD was also reportedly[12] used by the Oakland Police Department during the clearance of the Occupy Oaklandencampment on the morning of 25 October 2011&#8230;..LRAD use was also reported as the New York City Police department cleared protestors during the Occupy Wall Street protests in Zuccotti Park on the morning of 15 November 2011.[2]</p></blockquote>
<p>Note that I actually have no objection to LRAD or whatever else being deployed on rowdy Stillers fans.</p>
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		<title>By: hassenpfeffer</title>
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		<dc:creator>hassenpfeffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My understanding is that, in the US, the LRAD is for use ONLY by the military and ONLY against foreign combatants. Which of course fails to explain why the NYPD as well as Pittsburgh PD each have/had at least one. It was also used in Toronto during the G20 there, and I can&#039;t imagine that Canadian law is any more &quot;liberal&quot; about its use than US law.

The big caveat is that IANAL; I&#039;m a Pittsburgh resident and recall discussions about the (at-least-then) illegal use of the LRAD during the G20 here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding is that, in the US, the LRAD is for use ONLY by the military and ONLY against foreign combatants. Which of course fails to explain why the NYPD as well as Pittsburgh PD each have/had at least one. It was also used in Toronto during the G20 there, and I can&#8217;t imagine that Canadian law is any more &#8220;liberal&#8221; about its use than US law.</p>
<p>The big caveat is that IANAL; I&#8217;m a Pittsburgh resident and recall discussions about the (at-least-then) illegal use of the LRAD during the G20 here.</p>
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		<title>By: Reasoner101</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/15/occupy-wall-street-nypd-raid.html#comment-1270234</link>
		<dc:creator>Reasoner101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 19:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shutting down the subway. Throwing away a free public library of 5000 books, Destroying protester&#039;s property. Arresting 200 people. And what &quot;public emergency&quot; necessitated this enormous exercise in police power over the citizens they and the Mayor Bloomberg are sworn and paid to protect and serve?

This is as blatant an abuse of police power over peaceful political expression as we have seen since--oh, yeah, the arrest of 1,8000 peaceful protesters at the Republican National
convention in 2004, and their illegal placement in preventive detention for 44 hours on &quot;Guantanamo on the Hudson.&quot; The largest, most illegal use of &quot;preventive detention&quot; against political expression in the history of the USA. Same city, Same mayor. Same police chief.

Closing down the subways all around, Destroying protester’s tents and a free public library of 5,000 books and arresting 200 people.  As though the freedom of peaceful political expression justifies this use of “emergency” police power. It is time to elect a government that represents the people, not the corporations and billionaires who control and have corrupted our political system. Time to www.OccupyGovernment.org 

Our next front needs to be to occupy the ballot box, in 2012, using our social networks to replace stupefying TV ads. It is time to stand as, or support, candidates willing to represent the 99%. Not the misguided, misuse of government and police on power, ego and greed. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shutting down the subway. Throwing away a free public library of 5000 books, Destroying protester&#8217;s property. Arresting 200 people. And what &#8220;public emergency&#8221; necessitated this enormous exercise in police power over the citizens they and the Mayor Bloomberg are sworn and paid to protect and serve?</p>
<p>This is as blatant an abuse of police power over peaceful political expression as we have seen since&#8211;oh, yeah, the arrest of 1,8000 peaceful protesters at the Republican National<br />
convention in 2004, and their illegal placement in preventive detention for 44 hours on &#8220;Guantanamo on the Hudson.&#8221; The largest, most illegal use of &#8220;preventive detention&#8221; against political expression in the history of the USA. Same city, Same mayor. Same police chief.</p>
<p>Closing down the subways all around, Destroying protester’s tents and a free public library of 5,000 books and arresting 200 people.  As though the freedom of peaceful political expression justifies this use of “emergency” police power. It is time to elect a government that represents the people, not the corporations and billionaires who control and have corrupted our political system. Time to <a href="http://www.OccupyGovernment.org " rel="nofollow">http://www.OccupyGovernment.org </a></p>
<p>Our next front needs to be to occupy the ballot box, in 2012, using our social networks to replace stupefying TV ads. It is time to stand as, or support, candidates willing to represent the 99%. Not the misguided, misuse of government and police on power, ego and greed. </p>
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		<title>By: t3kna2007</title>
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		<dc:creator>t3kna2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &gt; LRAD ... Illegal to use on civilians, of course

@hassenpfeffer:twitter  - Is that true, or were you being sarcastic?  I&#039;ve never heard that, but could have just missed it.  I&#039;d be surprised.  I do remember when the Active Denial System heat ray weapon was entering public awareness that some high U.S. official said it would never be used on civilians (heh), but not a discussion of legality of that and related weapons.  (I consider that reassurance to carry as much weight as the &quot;everything is under control, please go about your business&quot; claim on day one of the Fukushima reactor disaster, so I won&#039;t be surprised when ADS shows up in the hands of domestic law enforcement too.)

&gt; i definitely, absolutely, without question got hit by that LRAD last night

@twitter-15707229:disqus  - What was that like?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> &gt; LRAD &#8230; Illegal to use on civilians, of course</p>
<p>@hassenpfeffer:twitter  &#8211; Is that true, or were you being sarcastic?  I&#8217;ve never heard that, but could have just missed it.  I&#8217;d be surprised.  I do remember when the Active Denial System heat ray weapon was entering public awareness that some high U.S. official said it would never be used on civilians (heh), but not a discussion of legality of that and related weapons.  (I consider that reassurance to carry as much weight as the &#8220;everything is under control, please go about your business&#8221; claim on day one of the Fukushima reactor disaster, so I won&#8217;t be surprised when ADS shows up in the hands of domestic law enforcement too.)</p>
<p>&gt; i definitely, absolutely, without question got hit by that LRAD last night</p>
<p>@twitter-15707229:disqus  &#8211; What was that like?</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren Read</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren Read</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow: this article is a great round-up of sources; thanks boingboing!  ...I&#039;m not surprised that it&#039;s come to this.  Well it&#039;s time for a new front to replace the government, taking the change to the ballot box.  Check out http://OccupyGovernment.org for a virtual yet actual mobilization.  The citizen agreement hooks you up with local candidates and gives us a common integrity as voters.  Or go all out and become one such candidate; please, we need you!  http://BeYourGovernment.org (a sister site) really makes it look easy and I think deserves more attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow: this article is a great round-up of sources; thanks boingboing!  &#8230;I&#8217;m not surprised that it&#8217;s come to this.  Well it&#8217;s time for a new front to replace the government, taking the change to the ballot box.  Check out <a href="http://OccupyGovernment.org" rel="nofollow">http://OccupyGovernment.org</a> for a virtual yet actual mobilization.  The citizen agreement hooks you up with local candidates and gives us a common integrity as voters.  Or go all out and become one such candidate; please, we need you!  <a href="http://BeYourGovernment.org" rel="nofollow">http://BeYourGovernment.org</a> (a sister site) really makes it look easy and I think deserves more attention.</p>
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		<title>By: nesnora</title>
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		<dc:creator>nesnora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We&#039;re worried&quot; *beats in the face with a stick* &quot;about your health&quot; *slams on the ground* &quot;and safety.&quot; *breaks wrist* 

What, did Bloomberg watch a mafia-movie-marathon this weekend?! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We&#8217;re worried&#8221; *beats in the face with a stick* &#8220;about your health&#8221; *slams on the ground* &#8220;and safety.&#8221; *breaks wrist* </p>
<p>What, did Bloomberg watch a mafia-movie-marathon this weekend?! </p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know there is a serious problem in America, regarding public trust in its basic institutions, when your 70-year-old mother begins to sound like many who have been at OWS.  The police are not going to sweep this problem away nor is the mayor of New York.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know there is a serious problem in America, regarding public trust in its basic institutions, when your 70-year-old mother begins to sound like many who have been at OWS.  The police are not going to sweep this problem away nor is the mayor of New York.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Auernheimer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Auernheimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://i.imgur.com/VI488.jpg

i definitely, absolutely, without question got hit by that LRAD last night. it is not a mere rumor.  jfyi-- might want to get earplugs. that motherfucker hurts.</description>
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<p>i definitely, absolutely, without question got hit by that LRAD last night. it is not a mere rumor.  jfyi&#8211; might want to get earplugs. that motherfucker hurts.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Hodges</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Hodges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BBC America had really good coverage into the wee hours. CNBC had some as well. The rest of American media: crickets. Thanks a lot Sandusky and Herman Cain&#039;s forehead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BBC America had really good coverage into the wee hours. CNBC had some as well. The rest of American media: crickets. Thanks a lot Sandusky and Herman Cain&#8217;s forehead.</p>
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		<title>By: Tavie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tavie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mayor Bloomberg is a thug.</description>
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		<title>By: joeposts</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t that part of the point of these occupations? To prove that we&#039;re at a point where the 1% cannot stand to see any kind of resistance, no matter how passive and scattershot? 

Step 1: Set up a tent. 
Step 2: Complain that the 1% won&#039;t even let you set up a tent. 
Step 3: Watch as the police tear down your tent and hit you with their sticks. 
Step 4: Go to Step 1. 

I think it&#039;s brilliant, though I guess I could totally misreading this &#039;movement.&#039; And I don&#039;t necessarily see public support waning because of the duration of the occupation - some have become more interested, some never supported it at all - and the general public has always tended to support the elites anyways, so maybe this isn&#039;t For Them. It&#039;s a make-work project for the dispirited Left. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t that part of the point of these occupations? To prove that we&#8217;re at a point where the 1% cannot stand to see any kind of resistance, no matter how passive and scattershot? </p>
<p>Step 1: Set up a tent.<br />
Step 2: Complain that the 1% won&#8217;t even let you set up a tent.<br />
Step 3: Watch as the police tear down your tent and hit you with their sticks.<br />
Step 4: Go to Step 1. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s brilliant, though I guess I could totally misreading this &#8216;movement.&#8217; And I don&#8217;t necessarily see public support waning because of the duration of the occupation &#8211; some have become more interested, some never supported it at all &#8211; and the general public has always tended to support the elites anyways, so maybe this isn&#8217;t For Them. It&#8217;s a make-work project for the dispirited Left. </p>
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		<title>By: digi_owl</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/15/occupy-wall-street-nypd-raid.html#comment-1270027</link>
		<dc:creator>digi_owl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now there&#039;s an archaic word, &quot;citizen&quot;. It is consumer that is the proper word now. Only troublemakers refer to themselves as citizens. Where is your credit card, consumer? Don&#039;t you know that said card is mandatory? Well in that case go and talk to the boys in blue over there, and they will help you out. /s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now there&#8217;s an archaic word, &#8220;citizen&#8221;. It is consumer that is the proper word now. Only troublemakers refer to themselves as citizens. Where is your credit card, consumer? Don&#8217;t you know that said card is mandatory? Well in that case go and talk to the boys in blue over there, and they will help you out. /s</p>
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		<title>By: ChicagoD</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChicagoD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. Herman Cain is on his way. Followed by Michelle Bachmann. Hurry, Obama, don&#039;t let them get there first!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. Herman Cain is on his way. Followed by Michelle Bachmann. Hurry, Obama, don&#8217;t let them get there first!</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Pierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Pierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it, when police act in the interest of &quot;public safety,&quot; that so much of the public gets their head slammed into the pavement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it, when police act in the interest of &#8220;public safety,&#8221; that so much of the public gets their head slammed into the pavement?</p>
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		<title>By: NefariousNewt</title>
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		<dc:creator>NefariousNewt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Bloomberg has finally shown his true colors. For a while, we might have convinced ourselves that Occupy Wall Street would maintain a friendly but adversarial relationship with the City of New York, but Mayor Bloomberg has chose to side with the heavy-handed tactics of police in the interest of &quot;public safety,&quot; over the rights of peaceable protest. His intent was clear: break up the demonstration in such a way as to keep it from reassembling itself to the same degree as before, in order to weaken the resolve of the protesters.

Occupy Wall Street must now move beyond the narrow confines of protests in parks. This groundswell must be channeled into fielding independent (read: not party-affiliated) candidates and backing them in up-coming elections, to unseat misguided and misanthropic politicians like Mayor Bloomberg and Mayor Quan. This nation still operates under the auspices of &quot;one person, one vote&quot; -- despite the attempts of the conservative Right to limit who can actually vote -- and it is time to use the power of the disaffected millions to alter the political landscape. It is time to Occupy A Voting Booth, and take back local, state, and federal administrations, and restore America to its original birthright of freedom &amp; liberty for all citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Bloomberg has finally shown his true colors. For a while, we might have convinced ourselves that Occupy Wall Street would maintain a friendly but adversarial relationship with the City of New York, but Mayor Bloomberg has chose to side with the heavy-handed tactics of police in the interest of &#8220;public safety,&#8221; over the rights of peaceable protest. His intent was clear: break up the demonstration in such a way as to keep it from reassembling itself to the same degree as before, in order to weaken the resolve of the protesters.</p>
<p>Occupy Wall Street must now move beyond the narrow confines of protests in parks. This groundswell must be channeled into fielding independent (read: not party-affiliated) candidates and backing them in up-coming elections, to unseat misguided and misanthropic politicians like Mayor Bloomberg and Mayor Quan. This nation still operates under the auspices of &#8220;one person, one vote&#8221; &#8212; despite the attempts of the conservative Right to limit who can actually vote &#8212; and it is time to use the power of the disaffected millions to alter the political landscape. It is time to Occupy A Voting Booth, and take back local, state, and federal administrations, and restore America to its original birthright of freedom &amp; liberty for all citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: William Owen</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My girlfriend is a video journalist for the AFP. She has been covering the OWS for several weeks now and was arrested last covering the eviction. She says she was shoved numerous times by Police, and finally asked a Police where she could move to when she was told to clear the sidewalk. The Police pointed her where to go which lead into a corral where her camera was taken away and her hands bound with ties behind her back. Thankfully the Police were willing to put her video camera back into her backpack. She was taken downtown, processed, and eventually released around 6AM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My girlfriend is a video journalist for the AFP. She has been covering the OWS for several weeks now and was arrested last covering the eviction. She says she was shoved numerous times by Police, and finally asked a Police where she could move to when she was told to clear the sidewalk. The Police pointed her where to go which lead into a corral where her camera was taken away and her hands bound with ties behind her back. Thankfully the Police were willing to put her video camera back into her backpack. She was taken downtown, processed, and eventually released around 6AM.</p>
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		<title>By: towlemonkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>towlemonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Billionaire acts to end protest against wealth inequality.  I guess we shouldn&#039;t be surprised.  Disappointed, but not surprised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billionaire acts to end protest against wealth inequality.  I guess we shouldn&#8217;t be surprised.  Disappointed, but not surprised.</p>
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		<title>By: waetherman</title>
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		<dc:creator>waetherman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think comparing OWS to Ghandi, the civil rights movement or the Arab Spring is a stretch, but I see where you&#039;re going. I agree - these are things worth fighting for. And I certainly agree that people have a right to protest and that sometimes laws must be broken in order for justice to prevail. My only point is that right now I don&#039;t think the occupation part of OWS is helping the cause, and in fact it may ultimately hurt it. If the movement requires that there be people be stationed in Zucotti Park at all times, then it is doomed from the start - that will end at some point one way or the other. But I don&#039;t think the movement needs to &quot;occupy&quot; any particular place to be successful, except people&#039;s hearts and minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think comparing OWS to Ghandi, the civil rights movement or the Arab Spring is a stretch, but I see where you&#8217;re going. I agree &#8211; these are things worth fighting for. And I certainly agree that people have a right to protest and that sometimes laws must be broken in order for justice to prevail. My only point is that right now I don&#8217;t think the occupation part of OWS is helping the cause, and in fact it may ultimately hurt it. If the movement requires that there be people be stationed in Zucotti Park at all times, then it is doomed from the start &#8211; that will end at some point one way or the other. But I don&#8217;t think the movement needs to &#8220;occupy&#8221; any particular place to be successful, except people&#8217;s hearts and minds.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Pierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Pierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much will it cost to purchase Zuccotti Park?</description>
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		<title>By: pileofnearmisses</title>
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		<dc:creator>pileofnearmisses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or &lt;B&gt;the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances&lt;/B&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or <b>the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances</b>.</p>
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		<title>By: GeorgeStanton</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeorgeStanton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is hard to imagine a legal basis on which the protesters could win. The first amendment does not prevent the state from placing limits on the forum and manner of expression so long as those limits are content-neutral. </description>
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