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	<title>Comments on: Police officer pepper-sprays seated, non-violent students at UC&#160;Davis</title>
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		<title>By: kayojen</title>
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		<dc:creator>kayojen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 08:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you young people... from an old one</description>
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		<title>By: Stephen Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 13:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well-said, my friend... but what do we do about cops pepperspraying babies?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRmHgeZyMs8</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well-said, my friend&#8230; but what do we do about cops pepperspraying babies?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRmHgeZyMs8</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Walls</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Walls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 16:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used the link you provided to send Chancellor Linda P.B. Katehi the following message:

Linda, I hate to break the news to you but your career as chancellor is over and there is nothing you can do to change what is now an inevitable outcome.  
I&#039;m sure it pains you to honestly face the facts about your future (and when i use the word &quot;pain&quot;, i mean psychological and emotional pain, not physical pain like your students experienced when they were pepper-sprayed in the face and mouth), but the sooner you resign, the sooner you will be out of the news cycle, and the sooner you can begin building your new career.

So just look on the bright side and stay positive, because there is always a job out there waiting in the corporate/government realm for a brutal fascist like yourself!

Sincerely,

Brian Walls</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used the link you provided to send Chancellor Linda P.B. Katehi the following message:</p>
<p>Linda, I hate to break the news to you but your career as chancellor is over and there is nothing you can do to change what is now an inevitable outcome.  <br />
I&#8217;m sure it pains you to honestly face the facts about your future (and when i use the word &#8220;pain&#8221;, i mean psychological and emotional pain, not physical pain like your students experienced when they were pepper-sprayed in the face and mouth), but the sooner you resign, the sooner you will be out of the news cycle, and the sooner you can begin building your new career.</p>
<p>So just look on the bright side and stay positive, because there is always a job out there waiting in the corporate/government realm for a brutal fascist like yourself!</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Brian Walls</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Martinetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean Martinetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 18:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slaves!!! when are you going to realize that your peaceful whining is going unnoticed?

They hit you with pepper spray, you hit them with homemade molitov cocktails or your own pepper spray, they club you? you take a bat to their heads.
the police are NOT on your side...they are on the side of the local government. When the shit hits the fan in 6- 8 months...AND IT WILL!!! it will be much worse than this, Cops will use force daily, troops will be put into cities where this is ongoing and there will be marshall law.

and before any of you start flaming me and say i&#039;m crazy...many people called what is happening today to the LETTER back in 2005 / 2006 and they too were told they were crazy.

hell our parents in the 70&#039;s told the government this was going to happen...oil and greed has brought us here...only a world war or a revolution is going to change it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slaves!!! when are you going to realize that your peaceful whining is going unnoticed?</p>
<p>They hit you with pepper spray, you hit them with homemade molitov cocktails or your own pepper spray, they club you? you take a bat to their heads.<br />
the police are NOT on your side&#8230;they are on the side of the local government. When the shit hits the fan in 6- 8 months&#8230;AND IT WILL!!! it will be much worse than this, Cops will use force daily, troops will be put into cities where this is ongoing and there will be marshall law.</p>
<p>and before any of you start flaming me and say i&#8217;m crazy&#8230;many people called what is happening today to the LETTER back in 2005 / 2006 and they too were told they were crazy.</p>
<p>hell our parents in the 70&#8242;s told the government this was going to happen&#8230;oil and greed has brought us here&#8230;only a world war or a revolution is going to change it.</p>
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		<title>By: CurtisEichelberger</title>
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		<dc:creator>CurtisEichelberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pepper spray cop shirts are here !! www.pepperspraycopshirt.com  </description>
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		<title>By: saidas</title>
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		<dc:creator>saidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is exactly the defense the Nazi SS used at the Nuremberg trials. </description>
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		<title>By: erin jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>erin jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 04:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But you cant discount the fear thing when dealing with the police,  they have been thrown into the front line of this by people who have their own adgenda, and I think worry little about police safety as well as the safety of the protesters and the general public.&quot;
Well, okay, sure. But police are professionals. They are trained to respond to potentially violent situations in a calm and rational manner. They are trained to operate in stressful environments in a calm, rational manner that will defuse, not escalate, a violent situation. That&#039;s what we, the tax payers, pay them to do.

Lt. Pike&#039;s salary over the last 3 years was in the range of $110,ooo/year. Given that, I would expect him to have received training more than adequate to enable him to handle the arrest of 12 seated, non-violent protesters without escalating the level of violence in the situation (which appeared to have been roughly nil outside of the actions of police). 

It appears that Lt. Pike was either incapable or unwilling to perform his duties in the professional manner instilled by the training he has received. We, the tax payers, pay his salary and it&#039;s quite likely that we pay for his training in the use of pepper spray as a deterrent to violence. In the spirit of Nathan Brown, as one of his employers, I call for his resignation on the grounds that he is incapable or unwilling to perform the duties for which he is paid.

From a purely practical standpoint, and keeping in mind that we are in what Chancellor Katehi so accurately referred to as &quot;these very tight economic times &quot;, I see no monetary or practical gain to be achieved by putting him on paid administrative leave or sending him to sensitivity training. Such punishments, so popular and commonly-applied as correctives to oopsy!-shootings, were intended to not only punish and re-educate the officer who had committed a crime, but to send a clear message to other officers that the offending behavior is not acceptable professional practice.

It has become clear over the last few months that these punishments are not achieving the objectives they were set to meet. Police officers who have engaged in police brutality have been punished with paid leaves and sensitivity training, but those corrective actions have obviously had no effect whatsoever on the behavior of police officers as a whole. Brutality and the use of disproportionate force is on the rise and we can view ample evidence of the fact on YouTube. 

I&#039;ll trot out this tired canard, but only because it&#039;s appropriate: The definition of insanity is repeating the same process but expecting a different outcome. In these very tight economic times (thanks, Chancellor!), we just can&#039;t afford to indulge in liberal measures that we once could have sustained. If we are to expect police officers to adhere to the laws that govern their use of force, we must respond with measures that actually make an impact on their behavior. Because clearly the current punishments for illegal behavior are not making an impact.

So, once again, I call for Lt. Pike&#039;s immediate resignation on the grounds of ineptitude or willful disobedience. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But you cant discount the fear thing when dealing with the police,  they have been thrown into the front line of this by people who have their own adgenda, and I think worry little about police safety as well as the safety of the protesters and the general public.&#8221;<br />
Well, okay, sure. But police are professionals. They are trained to respond to potentially violent situations in a calm and rational manner. They are trained to operate in stressful environments in a calm, rational manner that will defuse, not escalate, a violent situation. That&#8217;s what we, the tax payers, pay them to do.</p>
<p>Lt. Pike&#8217;s salary over the last 3 years was in the range of $110,ooo/year. Given that, I would expect him to have received training more than adequate to enable him to handle the arrest of 12 seated, non-violent protesters without escalating the level of violence in the situation (which appeared to have been roughly nil outside of the actions of police). </p>
<p>It appears that Lt. Pike was either incapable or unwilling to perform his duties in the professional manner instilled by the training he has received. We, the tax payers, pay his salary and it&#8217;s quite likely that we pay for his training in the use of pepper spray as a deterrent to violence. In the spirit of Nathan Brown, as one of his employers, I call for his resignation on the grounds that he is incapable or unwilling to perform the duties for which he is paid.</p>
<p>From a purely practical standpoint, and keeping in mind that we are in what Chancellor Katehi so accurately referred to as &#8220;these very tight economic times &#8220;, I see no monetary or practical gain to be achieved by putting him on paid administrative leave or sending him to sensitivity training. Such punishments, so popular and commonly-applied as correctives to oopsy!-shootings, were intended to not only punish and re-educate the officer who had committed a crime, but to send a clear message to other officers that the offending behavior is not acceptable professional practice.</p>
<p>It has become clear over the last few months that these punishments are not achieving the objectives they were set to meet. Police officers who have engaged in police brutality have been punished with paid leaves and sensitivity training, but those corrective actions have obviously had no effect whatsoever on the behavior of police officers as a whole. Brutality and the use of disproportionate force is on the rise and we can view ample evidence of the fact on YouTube. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll trot out this tired canard, but only because it&#8217;s appropriate: The definition of insanity is repeating the same process but expecting a different outcome. In these very tight economic times (thanks, Chancellor!), we just can&#8217;t afford to indulge in liberal measures that we once could have sustained. If we are to expect police officers to adhere to the laws that govern their use of force, we must respond with measures that actually make an impact on their behavior. Because clearly the current punishments for illegal behavior are not making an impact.</p>
<p>So, once again, I call for Lt. Pike&#8217;s immediate resignation on the grounds of ineptitude or willful disobedience. </p>
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		<title>By: Donna Brooks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna Brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 00:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outstanding comment, zombhi!  Yes, what we need are defectors,— people who REFUSE orders because their CONSCIENCE tells them it&#039;s wrong.  It is disturbing that no police officer has done this yet (although the Police CHIEF in Albany, NY, defied orders from both the Mayor &amp; Governor to evict OWS protestors b/c the protestors weren&#039;t doing anything wrong and the Chief said the Dept. knew better how to police people than the Mayor or Governor).  I wish there were more instances like this.  Even more disturbing than the apparent lack of conscience, and conformity of the police in using excessive force are the people who defend this abuse of power.  If they can do this to unarmed, non-violent protestors for any reason they choose, then there is nothing to stop them from doing it to any one of us at any time, as they see fit.  A person getting a traffic ticket for a moving violation is more dangerous than these protestors were.  Should it be standard procedure for police to pepper-spray you if they stop you for speeding or running a red light?  This vilifying of protestors as somehow &quot;deserving&quot; to be abused by &quot;authorities&quot; is chilling.  Our country was founded by protestors.  There was a reason Ben Franklin said, &quot;Gentlemen, we must all hang together, or surely we will all hang separately!&quot;  As subjects of the King, they were risking their lives by committing treason, and if they didn&#039;t remain united in the war for independence, they knew their fate.  Today we call these people heroes.  Martin Luther King Jr., Susan B. Anthony, Rosa Parks, Henry David Thoreau, &amp; many others that we now admire were arrested for breaking the laws of their day.  And have we so soon forgotten the words of Martin Niemoller?  &quot;First they came for the Communists, but I didn&#039;t speak out because *I* was not a Communist.  Then they came for the trade unionists, but I didn&#039;t speak out because *I* wasn&#039;t a trade unionist.  Then they came for the Jews, but I didn&#039;t speak out because *I* was not a Jew.  Then they came for me.... and there was no one left to speak out for me.&quot;  Your last line about allowing this to go unchallenged and unchecked says it all.  &quot;Nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there&#039;s a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged, and it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air, however slight, lest we become victims of the darkness.&quot;

William O. Douglas, U.S. Supreme Court Justice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outstanding comment, zombhi!  Yes, what we need are defectors,— people who REFUSE orders because their CONSCIENCE tells them it&#8217;s wrong.  It is disturbing that no police officer has done this yet (although the Police CHIEF in Albany, NY, defied orders from both the Mayor &amp; Governor to evict OWS protestors b/c the protestors weren&#8217;t doing anything wrong and the Chief said the Dept. knew better how to police people than the Mayor or Governor).  I wish there were more instances like this.  Even more disturbing than the apparent lack of conscience, and conformity of the police in using excessive force are the people who defend this abuse of power.  If they can do this to unarmed, non-violent protestors for any reason they choose, then there is nothing to stop them from doing it to any one of us at any time, as they see fit.  A person getting a traffic ticket for a moving violation is more dangerous than these protestors were.  Should it be standard procedure for police to pepper-spray you if they stop you for speeding or running a red light?  This vilifying of protestors as somehow &#8220;deserving&#8221; to be abused by &#8220;authorities&#8221; is chilling.  Our country was founded by protestors.  There was a reason Ben Franklin said, &#8220;Gentlemen, we must all hang together, or surely we will all hang separately!&#8221;  As subjects of the King, they were risking their lives by committing treason, and if they didn&#8217;t remain united in the war for independence, they knew their fate.  Today we call these people heroes.  Martin Luther King Jr., Susan B. Anthony, Rosa Parks, Henry David Thoreau, &amp; many others that we now admire were arrested for breaking the laws of their day.  And have we so soon forgotten the words of Martin Niemoller?  &#8221;First they came for the Communists, but I didn&#8217;t speak out because *I* was not a Communist.  Then they came for the trade unionists, but I didn&#8217;t speak out because *I* wasn&#8217;t a trade unionist.  Then they came for the Jews, but I didn&#8217;t speak out because *I* was not a Jew.  Then they came for me&#8230;. and there was no one left to speak out for me.&#8221;  Your last line about allowing this to go unchallenged and unchecked says it all.  &#8221;Nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there&#8217;s a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged, and it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air, however slight, lest we become victims of the darkness.&#8221;</p>
<p>William O. Douglas, U.S. Supreme Court Justice</p>
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		<title>By: Donna Brooks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna Brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 00:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Police saw fit to use high-pressure fire hoses &amp; dogs against African American protestors during the Civil Rights movement.  I guess you&#039;d defend that too.  Obviously you are a good German, who upholds the actions of &quot;law enforcement&quot;, no matter how unjust the laws, or how excessive the force used against your fellow citizens.  Getting a &quot;permit&quot; to protest is ridiculous.  And what if the state doesn&#039;t GIVE you a permit (meaning PERMISSION) to protest?  You just remain silent and do nothing?  &quot;Oh, I don&#039;t have your permission to protest?  OK, let me know when I can.&quot;  How can patriots keep quiet while our Constitutional &amp; human rights are being eroded?  Your attitude that the police can do anything to maintain &quot;order&quot; (which, according to you means doing whatever the state tells you to do) is the same attitude that allows atrocities to occur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Police saw fit to use high-pressure fire hoses &amp; dogs against African American protestors during the Civil Rights movement.  I guess you&#8217;d defend that too.  Obviously you are a good German, who upholds the actions of &#8220;law enforcement&#8221;, no matter how unjust the laws, or how excessive the force used against your fellow citizens.  Getting a &#8220;permit&#8221; to protest is ridiculous.  And what if the state doesn&#8217;t GIVE you a permit (meaning PERMISSION) to protest?  You just remain silent and do nothing?  &#8221;Oh, I don&#8217;t have your permission to protest?  OK, let me know when I can.&#8221;  How can patriots keep quiet while our Constitutional &amp; human rights are being eroded?  Your attitude that the police can do anything to maintain &#8220;order&#8221; (which, according to you means doing whatever the state tells you to do) is the same attitude that allows atrocities to occur.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia Nolan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia Nolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Always nice to know that our police officers are making nearly twice what our college professors are.   Our society&#039;s values are definitely in the right place.

/end sarcasm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Always nice to know that our police officers are making nearly twice what our college professors are.   Our society&#8217;s values are definitely in the right place.</p>
<p>/end sarcasm</p>
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		<title>By: phor11</title>
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		<dc:creator>phor11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 22:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The protesters made an informed decision to be exposed to the pepper spray.&quot;

The Police are tasked above all else to uphold the law, Correct?
And as any Police officer will tell you, ignorance of the law isn&#039;t an excuse.
I guess you just don&#039;t know the law in this circumstance, so I will inform you.
Using pepper spray against non-violent protesters has been considered &quot;excessive force&quot; on the federal level in the US since January 11, 2002.  Here is the case law if you wish to read it for yourself:  http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1332957.html

So your take on this matter is not merely poorly received, but blatantly wrong.  : /</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The protesters made an informed decision to be exposed to the pepper spray.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Police are tasked above all else to uphold the law, Correct?<br />
And as any Police officer will tell you, ignorance of the law isn&#8217;t an excuse.<br />
I guess you just don&#8217;t know the law in this circumstance, so I will inform you.<br />
Using pepper spray against non-violent protesters has been considered &#8220;excessive force&#8221; on the federal level in the US since January 11, 2002.  Here is the case law if you wish to read it for yourself:  http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1332957.html</p>
<p>So your take on this matter is not merely poorly received, but blatantly wrong.  : /</p>
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		<title>By: phor11</title>
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		<dc:creator>phor11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 22:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The protesters.
/mind blown...  I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The protesters.<br />
/mind blown&#8230;  I know.</p>
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		<title>By: weswang</title>
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		<dc:creator>weswang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an UC student parent, I am deeply shocked by this police action. I have sent my concern to CA governor asking for explanations and solutions, by using the following page:
http://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an UC student parent, I am deeply shocked by this police action. I have sent my concern to CA governor asking for explanations and solutions, by using the following page:<br />
<a href="http://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php" rel="nofollow">http://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: milkman</title>
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		<dc:creator>milkman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously to a much more extreme extent, but its like saying, &quot;I can&#039;t blame Nazis, they were just following orders&quot;...I think we all pretty much agreed in blaming Nazis anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously to a much more extreme extent, but its like saying, &#8220;I can&#8217;t blame Nazis, they were just following orders&#8221;&#8230;I think we all pretty much agreed in blaming Nazis anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivan R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 12:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watching these kids in US gives me the only hope US will change one day. That the world will maybe change one day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watching these kids in US gives me the only hope US will change one day. That the world will maybe change one day.</p>
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		<title>By: FrodeSvendsen</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/18/police-pepper-spraying-arrest.html#comment-1276303</link>
		<dc:creator>FrodeSvendsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 11:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best comment!</description>
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		<title>By: FrodeSvendsen</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/18/police-pepper-spraying-arrest.html#comment-1276301</link>
		<dc:creator>FrodeSvendsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 11:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The police are trained, are they not? They are supposed to be professionals, are they not? Haven&#039;t you seen other police-forces handle similar events with a lot more grace? 

Of course they are to blame. If there&#039;s one thing the second world war taught us, it&#039;s that you are responsible for your own actions, you can&#039;t blame the orders you were given.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The police are trained, are they not? They are supposed to be professionals, are they not? Haven&#8217;t you seen other police-forces handle similar events with a lot more grace? </p>
<p>Of course they are to blame. If there&#8217;s one thing the second world war taught us, it&#8217;s that you are responsible for your own actions, you can&#8217;t blame the orders you were given.</p>
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		<title>By: FrodeSvendsen</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/18/police-pepper-spraying-arrest.html#comment-1276298</link>
		<dc:creator>FrodeSvendsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 11:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, like you say, I can&#039;t think of a single word in any language that is sufficient to warrant a violent response by a trained, professional police officer. Full points there.. 

Second of all, I am very tired of hearing about the &quot;one bad apple&quot; lie. If that was the case, the other, law abiding, decent officers should have stopped the one with the pepper spray. Or better yet, arrested him. But no, they encircle him, and others like him, in a blue wall of silence. Reform your police forces, do it know!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, like you say, I can&#8217;t think of a single word in any language that is sufficient to warrant a violent response by a trained, professional police officer. Full points there.. </p>
<p>Second of all, I am very tired of hearing about the &#8220;one bad apple&#8221; lie. If that was the case, the other, law abiding, decent officers should have stopped the one with the pepper spray. Or better yet, arrested him. But no, they encircle him, and others like him, in a blue wall of silence. Reform your police forces, do it know!</p>
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		<title>By: Kirsty_Hawkshaw</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/18/police-pepper-spraying-arrest.html#comment-1276288</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirsty_Hawkshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 10:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the most abusive and disgraceful acts of authority I have ever seen.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the most abusive and disgraceful acts of authority I have ever seen.  </p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/18/police-pepper-spraying-arrest.html#comment-1276252</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 09:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;UC professors may actually be unionized.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I wonder what percentage of professors is full-time/tenured and if the part-timers would be in a union.  It seems like professors who retire aren&#039;t replaced.  They just call the casual, unbenefited professors and ask them if they want to pick up classes.  Being a university professor has gotten much, much closer to working at WalMart than it was a decade or two ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>UC professors may actually be unionized.</p></blockquote>
<p>I wonder what percentage of professors is full-time/tenured and if the part-timers would be in a union.  It seems like professors who retire aren&#8217;t replaced.  They just call the casual, unbenefited professors and ask them if they want to pick up classes.  Being a university professor has gotten much, much closer to working at WalMart than it was a decade or two ago.</p>
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		<title>By: penguinchris</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/18/police-pepper-spraying-arrest.html#comment-1276248</link>
		<dc:creator>penguinchris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UC professors may actually be unionized. I believe at CSU (Cal State) schools they are - as a paid TA (which technically made me faculty) at a CSU school, I was asked to join the union.

That said - the police union is obviously doing something right if they have managed to pay people $100,000+ (not including benefits!) to be thugs... and pay in academia for the people doing actual academics (i.e. professors, researchers, grad students etc. - not administrators, who are quite well paid) is ridiculously bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UC professors may actually be unionized. I believe at CSU (Cal State) schools they are &#8211; as a paid TA (which technically made me faculty) at a CSU school, I was asked to join the union.</p>
<p>That said &#8211; the police union is obviously doing something right if they have managed to pay people $100,000+ (not including benefits!) to be thugs&#8230; and pay in academia for the people doing actual academics (i.e. professors, researchers, grad students etc. &#8211; not administrators, who are quite well paid) is ridiculously bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Ewanglee</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/18/police-pepper-spraying-arrest.html#comment-1276223</link>
		<dc:creator>Ewanglee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 08:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am disgusted and angry that police think they are above the law andabovethepeople they serve. And the chancellor as well as police chief and the police officers who perpetrated this crime against our constitutional rightts, should all be fired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am disgusted and angry that police think they are above the law andabovethepeople they serve. And the chancellor as well as police chief and the police officers who perpetrated this crime against our constitutional rightts, should all be fired.</p>
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		<title>By: Mlata</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/18/police-pepper-spraying-arrest.html#comment-1276219</link>
		<dc:creator>Mlata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 07:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In other recent news, Egyptian protestors claahed with cops:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/22/world/middleeast/facing-calls-to-give-up-power-egypts-military-battles-crowds.html

At least the arabs and polaks know how to protest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other recent news, Egyptian protestors claahed with cops:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/22/world/middleeast/facing-calls-to-give-up-power-egypts-military-battles-crowds.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/22/world/middleeast/facing-calls-to-give-up-power-egypts-military-battles-crowds.html</a></p>
<p>At least the arabs and polaks know how to protest.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/18/police-pepper-spraying-arrest.html#comment-1276082</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 02:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...why are the kids &quot;protesting&quot; on their own campus? &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Tuition hikes.  Staff cutbacks.  University executive pay raises.  UC used to be a social service.  Now it&#039;s a business and run like every other business that&#039;s abusing its customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;why are the kids &#8220;protesting&#8221; on their own campus? </p></blockquote>
<p>Tuition hikes.  Staff cutbacks.  University executive pay raises.  UC used to be a social service.  Now it&#8217;s a business and run like every other business that&#8217;s abusing its customers.</p>
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		<title>By: shockbeton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/18/police-pepper-spraying-arrest.html#comment-1276079</link>
		<dc:creator>shockbeton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 02:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in no way defending the police, but why are the kids &quot;protesting&quot; on their own campus? They should go sit inside a Bank of America branch or something. What the hell, it&#039;s like, &quot;I&#039;m pissed off about income disparity! I think I&#039;ll sit in the hallway of my apartment building full of people in the same tax bracket as myself until one of them kicks me. That&#039;ll show &#039;em!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in no way defending the police, but why are the kids &#8220;protesting&#8221; on their own campus? They should go sit inside a Bank of America branch or something. What the hell, it&#8217;s like, &#8220;I&#8217;m pissed off about income disparity! I think I&#8217;ll sit in the hallway of my apartment building full of people in the same tax bracket as myself until one of them kicks me. That&#8217;ll show &#8216;em!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Davis</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/18/police-pepper-spraying-arrest.html#comment-1276003</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 23:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concerning the update: 

What does the pay rate of the police officer have to do with anything? The link doesn&#039;t say anything about how long the assistant professor or police officer have been working. It could be 20 years versus 2 years. Also the assistant professor may in an endowed position which is not uncommon. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concerning the update: </p>
<p>What does the pay rate of the police officer have to do with anything? The link doesn&#8217;t say anything about how long the assistant professor or police officer have been working. It could be 20 years versus 2 years. Also the assistant professor may in an endowed position which is not uncommon. </p>
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		<title>By: Chris Perry</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/18/police-pepper-spraying-arrest.html#comment-1275997</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 23:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>??</description>
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		<title>By: Mlata</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/18/police-pepper-spraying-arrest.html#comment-1275903</link>
		<dc:creator>Mlata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine if this guy was part of the movement what would happen:

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/inland_empire&amp;id=8422922</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine if this guy was part of the movement what would happen:</p>
<p><a href="http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/inland_empire&#038;id=8422922" rel="nofollow">http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/inland_empire&#038;id=8422922</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chase Musgrove</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/18/police-pepper-spraying-arrest.html#comment-1275890</link>
		<dc:creator>Chase Musgrove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OWS Supporters:,
  Protesting is great publicity.  Now &quot;vote&#039; with your wallet.  Many of you are right in thinking a traditional vote at the ballot box will mean nothing.  However, choosing to boycott offending firms that support these misguided politicians will bring about change.  We are not in a democracy, we are in an oligarchy. $$$ is what gets you what you want.  BALANCE protesting with BOYCOTTING and we&#039;ll get MUCH better results.  Better yet?  BUY STOCK IN THESE COMPANIES and DICTATE THEIR AGENDA AS A SHAREHOLDER! I&#039;m serious.  If you are a shareholder in a company, you get to vote on how the company behaves!! It may not seem as glamorous as civil disobedience since it&#039;s done privately, yett how does change really get implemented?! CHANGE DOES GET IMPLEMENTED THROUGH CLOSED DOORS.  People, we can&#039;t change the rules of this game the oligarchy has us playing.  NEVERTHELESS, WE CAN BEAT THEM AT THEIR OWN GAME!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OWS Supporters:,<br />
  Protesting is great publicity.  Now &#8220;vote&#8217; with your wallet.  Many of you are right in thinking a traditional vote at the ballot box will mean nothing.  However, choosing to boycott offending firms that support these misguided politicians will bring about change.  We are not in a democracy, we are in an oligarchy. $$$ is what gets you what you want.  BALANCE protesting with BOYCOTTING and we&#8217;ll get MUCH better results.  Better yet?  BUY STOCK IN THESE COMPANIES and DICTATE THEIR AGENDA AS A SHAREHOLDER! I&#8217;m serious.  If you are a shareholder in a company, you get to vote on how the company behaves!! It may not seem as glamorous as civil disobedience since it&#8217;s done privately, yett how does change really get implemented?! CHANGE DOES GET IMPLEMENTED THROUGH CLOSED DOORS.  People, we can&#8217;t change the rules of this game the oligarchy has us playing.  NEVERTHELESS, WE CAN BEAT THEM AT THEIR OWN GAME!</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Kramer</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/18/police-pepper-spraying-arrest.html#comment-1275863</link>
		<dc:creator>Pamela Kramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 20:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about the fact that the cop makes TWICE what the professor makes? There&#039;s something wrong with that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the fact that the cop makes TWICE what the professor makes? There&#8217;s something wrong with that&#8230;</p>
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