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	<title>Comments on: One day after pepper-spraying, UC Davis students silently, peacefully confront Chancellor&#160;Katehi</title>
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		<title>By: george abney</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/19/one-day-after-pepper-spraying.html#comment-1278529</link>
		<dc:creator>george abney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 15:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The students can force her dismissal. All they need to do is repeat the same display of solidarity where the Board of Regents hold their meetings... and they will bend to the will of the CUSTOMER... Later, they can take time to read the LONG list of lawsuits faced by the university because of the poor job done by the Chancellor AND the Board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The students can force her dismissal. All they need to do is repeat the same display of solidarity where the Board of Regents hold their meetings&#8230; and they will bend to the will of the CUSTOMER&#8230; Later, they can take time to read the LONG list of lawsuits faced by the university because of the poor job done by the Chancellor AND the Board.</p>
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		<title>By: charlesmcgee</title>
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		<dc:creator>charlesmcgee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 00:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katehi is the last female who has hidden from view her real cultural relationships. Folks who see themselves as not part of the 1% will have to do better. we did not do better in 2008.We got a ham bone named Obama, UC Davis got a pig &#039;s ear named Katehi. In 2012, and into the future, we will have to choose from our ranks.  Do not allow someone to impose standards of acceptability that they created unilaterally. Under the present circumstance I would rather have an OWS presidential candidate than another Obama. The next UC Davis president had better come from your ranks. Forget dancing to the 1% tune. I made that mistake when I got out of graduate. To my regret I submitted in 2008, sobriety lost its priority, and I forgot the message of the post 1960s years-resist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katehi is the last female who has hidden from view her real cultural relationships. Folks who see themselves as not part of the 1% will have to do better. we did not do better in 2008.We got a ham bone named Obama, UC Davis got a pig &#8216;s ear named Katehi. In 2012, and into the future, we will have to choose from our ranks.  Do not allow someone to impose standards of acceptability that they created unilaterally. Under the present circumstance I would rather have an OWS presidential candidate than another Obama. The next UC Davis president had better come from your ranks. Forget dancing to the 1% tune. I made that mistake when I got out of graduate. To my regret I submitted in 2008, sobriety lost its priority, and I forgot the message of the post 1960s years-resist.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomiann Parker</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/19/one-day-after-pepper-spraying.html#comment-1277165</link>
		<dc:creator>Tomiann Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to break this to you, but women are people too. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to break this to you, but women are people too. </p>
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		<title>By: Pit Schultz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pit Schultz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 21:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>watch that meme going out of control. wanna watch the &quot;You&#039;re such a Lt. John Pike&quot; flash game?  here&#039;s an early version.. http://www.monkeybriefs.com/view/game/1/Pepper-The-Perps_2978.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>watch that meme going out of control. wanna watch the &#8220;You&#8217;re such a Lt. John Pike&#8221; flash game?  here&#8217;s an early version.. http://www.monkeybriefs.com/view/game/1/Pepper-The-Perps_2978.html</p>
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		<title>By: D Wyatt</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/19/one-day-after-pepper-spraying.html#comment-1276869</link>
		<dc:creator>D Wyatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Idiot!  Censoring is what everyone wants these days and it seems to me like people trying to put shit back into the closet that already hit the fan.....  People will see, people will get angry, people will stop the corruption if it doesnt implode on itself first.  I suggest someone start organizing a real police force filled with qualified men who have a FIRM UNDERSTANDING OF RIGHTS.  That way we can just AVOID ALL THE STUPIDITY in the first place and then you and the government wont cry for it to be TAKEN DOWN/CENSORED/BLOCKED/BANNED/LIES.
That done in the dark WILL COME TO LIGHT.  

 I care not the punishment doled onto the heathen or his kin. Karma is a bitch and she is looking for people like him.  A wicked man who would casually spray children like that should be crushed, along with his keepers for allowing the scumbag dog off the leash.   Their time is coming, the days of getting away with murder and theft are over.  Whether its cop abusing his powers on an innocent person,  a poor man stealing for his habit, or a rich man stealing for his, their time is NOW.   Nothing can stop it.  Earth could become a living hell if people arent careful and truthful.  
Ask for leniency just as the poor man asks for his and doesnt receive.  Ask for help just as the poor man cries and goes unrecognized.  

!!!THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE CENSORED!!! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Idiot!  Censoring is what everyone wants these days and it seems to me like people trying to put shit back into the closet that already hit the fan&#8230;..  People will see, people will get angry, people will stop the corruption if it doesnt implode on itself first.  I suggest someone start organizing a real police force filled with qualified men who have a FIRM UNDERSTANDING OF RIGHTS.  That way we can just AVOID ALL THE STUPIDITY in the first place and then you and the government wont cry for it to be TAKEN DOWN/CENSORED/BLOCKED/BANNED/LIES.<br />
That done in the dark WILL COME TO LIGHT.  </p>
<p> I care not the punishment doled onto the heathen or his kin. Karma is a bitch and she is looking for people like him.  A wicked man who would casually spray children like that should be crushed, along with his keepers for allowing the scumbag dog off the leash.   Their time is coming, the days of getting away with murder and theft are over.  Whether its cop abusing his powers on an innocent person,  a poor man stealing for his habit, or a rich man stealing for his, their time is NOW.   Nothing can stop it.  Earth could become a living hell if people arent careful and truthful. <br />
Ask for leniency just as the poor man asks for his and doesnt receive.  Ask for help just as the poor man cries and goes unrecognized.  </p>
<p>!!!THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE CENSORED!!! </p>
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		<title>By: D Wyatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>D Wyatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Im pretty damned sure there wouldnt have been laughter had she done the same...  Its a great story, just pointing out that neither of these options would work in current times.  
THE END IS NOW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Im pretty damned sure there wouldnt have been laughter had she done the same&#8230;  Its a great story, just pointing out that neither of these options would work in current times. <br />
THE END IS NOW</p>
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		<title>By: leslie.farkas</title>
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		<dc:creator>leslie.farkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The mass silent treatment of rebuke is something you only used to see in old Hollywood films, like the ones directed by Frank Capra! (Who would have loved this scene!) Nice to see that it can happen in real life!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mass silent treatment of rebuke is something you only used to see in old Hollywood films, like the ones directed by Frank Capra! (Who would have loved this scene!) Nice to see that it can happen in real life!</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 07:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Funny story: the #1 contributor to the 2008 Obama campaign?
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Wait for it
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University of California&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Even funnier story:  This includes anyone who works for UC and their families.  &lt;i&gt;&quot;As of 2011, the University of California has...18,896 faculty, 189,116 staff members...&quot;&lt;/i&gt; per Wikipedia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Funny story: the #1 contributor to the 2008 Obama campaign?<br />
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Wait for it<br />
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University of California</p></blockquote>
<p>Even funnier story:  This includes anyone who works for UC and their families.  <i>&#8220;As of 2011, the University of California has&#8230;18,896 faculty, 189,116 staff members&#8230;&#8221;</i> per Wikipedia.</p>
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		<title>By: the_engineer</title>
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		<dc:creator>the_engineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 06:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup. You&#039;re right. Unfortunately the allowable use of pepper spray is supranational. What will be decided in court is whether or not his actions were justified. Personally, i&#039;m quite confident that they had no justification whatsoever, but that&#039;s where the law comes in here. We have a system here, it tends to work. Let&#039;s have some faith in it. And yes, that does unfortunately mean he&#039;s innocent until proven guilty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup. You&#8217;re right. Unfortunately the allowable use of pepper spray is supranational. What will be decided in court is whether or not his actions were justified. Personally, i&#8217;m quite confident that they had no justification whatsoever, but that&#8217;s where the law comes in here. We have a system here, it tends to work. Let&#8217;s have some faith in it. And yes, that does unfortunately mean he&#8217;s innocent until proven guilty.</p>
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		<title>By: the_engineer</title>
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		<dc:creator>the_engineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 06:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny story: the #1 contributor to the 2008 Obama campaign?
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Wait for it
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University of California

Yup. The same folks who just directly sprayed military grade pepper spray into the faces of peaceful protestors. Quite possibly even Mrs. chancellor herself is near the top of that list.

This needs to be headline news somewhere I think...
@Xeni?

source:http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cid=N00009638</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny story: the #1 contributor to the 2008 Obama campaign?<br />
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Wait for it<br />
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University of California</p>
<p>Yup. The same folks who just directly sprayed military grade pepper spray into the faces of peaceful protestors. Quite possibly even Mrs. chancellor herself is near the top of that list.</p>
<p>This needs to be headline news somewhere I think&#8230;<br />
@Xeni?</p>
<p>source:<a href="http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cid=N00009638" rel="nofollow">http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cid=N00009638</a></p>
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		<title>By: Zora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 06:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I felt the same way when I read &quot;permit.&quot; I hope this is explained.</description>
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		<title>By: Rev. Benjamin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rev. Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 05:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not at all cool to call cops &quot;pigs&quot;.  Yeah, that guy fucked up and he&#039;s going to have to live with that for the rest of his life.  If you or I were asked to pepper spray people at point blank, we&#039;d gladly say &quot;Fuck yourself, lieutenant&quot;.  But to call him a &quot;pig&quot; perpetuates the use of pig.  Like it or not, there are decent cops out there, and outrage doesn&#039;t justify slurs.

And also, no, police officers do not deserve special shielding... they&#039;re public servants in public view, and there is an expectation of public accountability, especially in the internet age.  But to be SO animal like to suggest that keeping his &quot;home life&quot; - aforementioned innocent relatives or bystanders, hell even neighbors or friends - shouldn&#039;t be &quot;respected&quot;, is a terrible notion.  What happened was terrible, but I can&#039;t get behind stooping below reason into blind rage.  You&#039;re dishonoring the peaceful sacrifice and brilliant protests of the UofC students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not at all cool to call cops &#8220;pigs&#8221;.  Yeah, that guy fucked up and he&#8217;s going to have to live with that for the rest of his life.  If you or I were asked to pepper spray people at point blank, we&#8217;d gladly say &#8220;Fuck yourself, lieutenant&#8221;.  But to call him a &#8220;pig&#8221; perpetuates the use of pig.  Like it or not, there are decent cops out there, and outrage doesn&#8217;t justify slurs.</p>
<p>And also, no, police officers do not deserve special shielding&#8230; they&#8217;re public servants in public view, and there is an expectation of public accountability, especially in the internet age.  But to be SO animal like to suggest that keeping his &#8220;home life&#8221; &#8211; aforementioned innocent relatives or bystanders, hell even neighbors or friends &#8211; shouldn&#8217;t be &#8220;respected&#8221;, is a terrible notion.  What happened was terrible, but I can&#8217;t get behind stooping below reason into blind rage.  You&#8217;re dishonoring the peaceful sacrifice and brilliant protests of the UofC students.</p>
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		<title>By: Michel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those videos ought to be titled something like:

America! Land of the free! - Tiananmen square, the US version.

Enough said, but I cried watching these videos.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those videos ought to be titled something like:</p>
<p>America! Land of the free! - Tiananmen square, the US version.</p>
<p>Enough said, but I cried watching these videos.  </p>
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		<title>By: Ian Whitehouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Whitehouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 00:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so impressed, that was brilliant. Well done to the protesters for their discipline and control.</description>
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		<title>By: Stonewalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stonewalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 00:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Powerful!  So proud of the UCD students!</description>
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		<title>By: JoshP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoshP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 23:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit I don&#039;t understand this.  The occupy movement, the current american civil protest, it&#039;s not that I don&#039;t admire that ambition to exercise the amazing political muscle of free expression and protest...  But this seems to be flailing instead of flexing.
  Has this movement demanded anything that can be rationally given?  I mean like legally and stuff?  
  Yes, corporations and their emergent behaviors are a two-ton guerrilla, but the individuals inside the moving parts are laughing into their third martini right now.  
  If this movement desires something tangible... ask for nationalized healthcare.. as a Constitutional right, one of those pesky Amendment things.  
  State that education is not just a right but the responsibility for the strength of the Republic and as such should also be instituted as an Amendment.  Amend the Constitution so that capitalism, as that it rests upon the nation and is created out of the body of its citizen is responsible for the maintenance of its nation. 
  Otherwise it&#039;s cheaper to just buy your own pepper spray and have your buddies hit you with some while you play xbox.  And as much as I admire people as activist I don&#039;t feel like this will accomplish much.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit I don&#8217;t understand this.  The occupy movement, the current american civil protest, it&#8217;s not that I don&#8217;t admire that ambition to exercise the amazing political muscle of free expression and protest&#8230;  But this seems to be flailing instead of flexing.<br />
  Has this movement demanded anything that can be rationally given?  I mean like legally and stuff? <br />
  Yes, corporations and their emergent behaviors are a two-ton guerrilla, but the individuals inside the moving parts are laughing into their third martini right now. <br />
  If this movement desires something tangible&#8230; ask for nationalized healthcare.. as a Constitutional right, one of those pesky Amendment things. <br />
  State that education is not just a right but the responsibility for the strength of the Republic and as such should also be instituted as an Amendment.  Amend the Constitution so that capitalism, as that it rests upon the nation and is created out of the body of its citizen is responsible for the maintenance of its nation.<br />
  Otherwise it&#8217;s cheaper to just buy your own pepper spray and have your buddies hit you with some while you play xbox.  And as much as I admire people as activist I don&#8217;t feel like this will accomplish much.  </p>
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		<title>By: skreams</title>
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		<dc:creator>skreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 22:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Chancellor was not trapped in Surge II tonight, but, in a larger sense, we are all in danger of being trapped.  We are trapped when we assent to a culture that for decades, and particularly since 9/11, has allowed law enforcement to have more and more power which has moved us into an era of hypercriminalization. We are trapped when we envision no path to reconciliation.   And we are trapped when we forget our own power. &quot;http://www.facebook.com/notes/kristin-stoneking/why-i-walked-chancellor-katehi-out-of-surge-ii-tonight/10150385444542928 </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Chancellor was not trapped in Surge II tonight, but, in a larger sense, we are all in danger of being trapped.  We are trapped when we assent to a culture that for decades, and particularly since 9/11, has allowed law enforcement to have more and more power which has moved us into an era of hypercriminalization. We are trapped when we envision no path to reconciliation.   And we are trapped when we forget our own power. &#8220;http://www.facebook.com/notes/kristin-stoneking/why-i-walked-chancellor-katehi-out-of-surge-ii-tonight/10150385444542928 </p>
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		<title>By: lavardera</title>
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		<dc:creator>lavardera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its important that the students begin to draw a line from recent events to the big goals of the movement. 

Clearly the University has egg on its face, and the protest has been handled wrong. Whether this chancellor goes or not, the outcome must be that the students have a right to protest, and the Univ. must tolerate it, within reasonable bounds - such as not using violence on non-violent protesters. 

Once established the dialog can move on to what the Univ. can do to end the protests, which can take the form of the Univ acting to bring their much greater weight to bear on the issues on Wall St. Namely the Univ. must demand that Wall St. come to the table to negotiate reforms, with the understanding that the Univ. Trusts and other Funds will be withdrawn if they do not. 

And all student protests must take this tact, to bring the schools leverage to bear on the banks. 

The protesters in various cities must have the same goal. When the situation is tipped and the cities can no longer use violence in the public eye, then its time to negotiate. If you want the protests to end, then you have to bring your weight to bear on the Financial Industry.

After that we focus on one large corporation at time. Walmart. Ford. Etc. Labor Unions will be a great partner here. Force them all to end lobbying and use their leverage with their financial institutions to push for reform. 

It might be worthwhile to form an Occupy Credit Union where people, and companies, can land their finances in order to pull out from uncooperative banks. It would quickly gain enough deposits to make the banks wet themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its important that the students begin to draw a line from recent events to the big goals of the movement. </p>
<p>Clearly the University has egg on its face, and the protest has been handled wrong. Whether this chancellor goes or not, the outcome must be that the students have a right to protest, and the Univ. must tolerate it, within reasonable bounds &#8211; such as not using violence on non-violent protesters. </p>
<p>Once established the dialog can move on to what the Univ. can do to end the protests, which can take the form of the Univ acting to bring their much greater weight to bear on the issues on Wall St. Namely the Univ. must demand that Wall St. come to the table to negotiate reforms, with the understanding that the Univ. Trusts and other Funds will be withdrawn if they do not. </p>
<p>And all student protests must take this tact, to bring the schools leverage to bear on the banks. </p>
<p>The protesters in various cities must have the same goal. When the situation is tipped and the cities can no longer use violence in the public eye, then its time to negotiate. If you want the protests to end, then you have to bring your weight to bear on the Financial Industry.</p>
<p>After that we focus on one large corporation at time. Walmart. Ford. Etc. Labor Unions will be a great partner here. Force them all to end lobbying and use their leverage with their financial institutions to push for reform. </p>
<p>It might be worthwhile to form an Occupy Credit Union where people, and companies, can land their finances in order to pull out from uncooperative banks. It would quickly gain enough deposits to make the banks wet themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: querent</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And yet, within an hour she was live on CNN explaining away the pepper-spray incident to host Don Lemon, who had to cut her off a few times because her responses were so long-winded.

Video?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And yet, within an hour she was live on CNN explaining away the pepper-spray incident to host Don Lemon, who had to cut her off a few times because her responses were so long-winded.</p>
<p>Video?</p>
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		<title>By: Rose M. Welch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose M. Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 20:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Base level cops are not the problems because they are &lt;b&gt;just following orders&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/i&gt;

I just wanted to highlight this, in case anyone wanted to think about this particular idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Base level cops are not the problems because they are <b>just following orders</b>.</i></p>
<p>I just wanted to highlight this, in case anyone wanted to think about this particular idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose M. Welch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose M. Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 20:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um. There have been worse injuries in this movement, by even more thuggish authorities. This is noteworthy, but it&#039;s not more Rodney King than other cases or even the case almost a decade ago where police used Q-Tips to apply pepper-spray to the eyelids of non-violent, non-resisting, peaceful protestors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um. There have been worse injuries in this movement, by even more thuggish authorities. This is noteworthy, but it&#8217;s not more Rodney King than other cases or even the case almost a decade ago where police used Q-Tips to apply pepper-spray to the eyelids of non-violent, non-resisting, peaceful protestors.</p>
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		<title>By: msbpodcast</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 20:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that the beat cops don&#039;t know who the &quot;enemy&quot; is.

There are bullies who need to be drummed out and they will be because everything is on camera.

There is no back yard for them to hide behind.

There is no need to do anything to them except shunt them aside. (And you can bet your ass he WILL be passed over for promotion, given shit details, fed crap jobs until he quits.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that the beat cops don&#8217;t know who the &#8220;enemy&#8221; is.</p>
<p>There are bullies who need to be drummed out and they will be because everything is on camera.</p>
<p>There is no back yard for them to hide behind.</p>
<p>There is no need to do anything to them except shunt them aside. (And you can bet your ass he WILL be passed over for promotion, given shit details, fed crap jobs until he quits.)</p>
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		<title>By: msbpodcast</title>
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		<dc:creator>msbpodcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 20:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The police have &quot;Agents provocateur&quot; placed among them. Its much more effective to show that the tactic does NOT work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The police have &#8220;Agents provocateur&#8221; placed among them. Its much more effective to show that the tactic does NOT work.</p>
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		<title>By: msbpodcast</title>
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		<dc:creator>msbpodcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 20:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was the most EFFECTIVE demo I have seen yet.

She will think long and hard abut EVER having a cop on campus again...

Shame works. Its a bourgeois sentiment and it works against the bourgeois.

The pepper spraying cops must know he&#039;s toast as far as EVER SETTING FOOT ON CAMPUS AGAIN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was the most EFFECTIVE demo I have seen yet.</p>
<p>She will think long and hard abut EVER having a cop on campus again&#8230;</p>
<p>Shame works. Its a bourgeois sentiment and it works against the bourgeois.</p>
<p>The pepper spraying cops must know he&#8217;s toast as far as EVER SETTING FOOT ON CAMPUS AGAIN.</p>
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		<title>By: BarBarSeven</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Point taken.  But the beat cop is a citizen.  Just like you an me.    It&#039;s their duty to disobey an unlawful order.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
A beat cop is not a citizen in the way you describe. Their job requires them to simply follow orders. And yeah, cops protesting the ticket-fixing scandal was ugly, but again where did they get the encouragement to do so; either passive or active?  From their unions and from the guys in charge. And it’s no secret that if you go against the unspoken police code of behavior, you will be shunned &amp; even worse.  Heck, look at “Serpico” for example.

But what I am saying is you cannot expect change in the rank and file of a structure like that without changes at the top and in the structure.

There had to be a few cops in those protests at U.C. Davis who knew what was happening was wrong, but what could they do that would have (1) effectively stopped what happened and (2) ensured their own personal safety/security when the dust settles.  Would they be a “rat” for the rest of their life and be forces to work at Wal-Mart after getting kicked off the force?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Point taken.  But the beat cop is a citizen.  Just like you an me.    It&#8217;s their duty to disobey an unlawful order.</p></blockquote>
<p>A beat cop is not a citizen in the way you describe. Their job requires them to simply follow orders. And yeah, cops protesting the ticket-fixing scandal was ugly, but again where did they get the encouragement to do so; either passive or active?  From their unions and from the guys in charge. And it’s no secret that if you go against the unspoken police code of behavior, you will be shunned &amp; even worse.  Heck, look at “Serpico” for example.</p>
<p>But what I am saying is you cannot expect change in the rank and file of a structure like that without changes at the top and in the structure.</p>
<p>There had to be a few cops in those protests at U.C. Davis who knew what was happening was wrong, but what could they do that would have (1) effectively stopped what happened and (2) ensured their own personal safety/security when the dust settles.  Would they be a “rat” for the rest of their life and be forces to work at Wal-Mart after getting kicked off the force?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Renault</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Renault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point taken.  But the beat cop is a citizen.  Just like you an me.    It&#039;s their duty to disobey an unlawful order.  

They don&#039;t seem to have a problem violating rules and ethical norms whenever one of theirs is justifiably taken to court, no?
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bronx/hammer_drops_on_tix_fix_cops_xOVjTvSoARvoV6eO1rdvCP

My &#039;whatever&#039; right or wrong is a stupid paradigm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point taken.  But the beat cop is a citizen.  Just like you an me.    It&#8217;s their duty to disobey an unlawful order.  </p>
<p>They don&#8217;t seem to have a problem violating rules and ethical norms whenever one of theirs is justifiably taken to court, no?<br />
<a href="http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bronx/hammer_drops_on_tix_fix_cops_xOVjTvSoARvoV6eO1rdvCP" rel="nofollow">http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bronx/hammer_drops_on_tix_fix_cops_xOVjTvSoARvoV6eO1rdvCP</a></p>
<p>My &#8216;whatever&#8217; right or wrong is a stupid paradigm.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Bardwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Bardwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may be wrong on that. Departmental use of force guidelines specify when pepper spray may be used. In some departments, it&#039;s not allowed to use it in a case like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may be wrong on that. Departmental use of force guidelines specify when pepper spray may be used. In some departments, it&#8217;s not allowed to use it in a case like this.</p>
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		<title>By: BarBarSeven</title>
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		<dc:creator>BarBarSeven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;No, if the beat cops were actually held responsible for their actions, a lot of shenanigans would stop.  Right now, they know they won&#039;t be held responsible.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I think you missed my point. The thing is that you are 100% right; beat cops need to be held responsible. But the most likely reason beat cops go and do whatever they want is because the structure that holds them in place is damaged/dysfunctional. The cops who are above the beat cop need to be held responsible.  And those who order the cops to the scene of a demonstration like this and order the cops to do “whatever” to get rid of the demonstrators need to be removed as well.

Who approved this guy’s $100,000 per year salary? They need to he held accountable for paying this guy 3x what he is worth since he has the mentality of a rookie cop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>No, if the beat cops were actually held responsible for their actions, a lot of shenanigans would stop.  Right now, they know they won&#8217;t be held responsible.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think you missed my point. The thing is that you are 100% right; beat cops need to be held responsible. But the most likely reason beat cops go and do whatever they want is because the structure that holds them in place is damaged/dysfunctional. The cops who are above the beat cop need to be held responsible.  And those who order the cops to the scene of a demonstration like this and order the cops to do “whatever” to get rid of the demonstrators need to be removed as well.</p>
<p>Who approved this guy’s $100,000 per year salary? They need to he held accountable for paying this guy 3x what he is worth since he has the mentality of a rookie cop.</p>
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		<title>By: ottoretire2017</title>
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		<dc:creator>ottoretire2017</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the protesters on both days; if our future depends on everyone acting like you did, I know that a civilized world is not far away. There is hope, but it is probably going to be very, very difficult to have everyone rise to your level of civility.      </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the protesters on both days; if our future depends on everyone acting like you did, I know that a civilized world is not far away. There is hope, but it is probably going to be very, very difficult to have everyone rise to your level of civility.      </p>
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		<title>By: ottoretire2017</title>
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		<dc:creator>ottoretire2017</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He could probably be charged with a host of things, assault, actions to dishonour the uniform, excessive use of force...the protester will hopefully lay complaints and then the courts will have to decide...thoughtfully.
To the protesters on both days; if my future depends on everyone acting like you did, I know that a civilized world is not far away. There is hope, but it is going to be very, very difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He could probably be charged with a host of things, assault, actions to dishonour the uniform, excessive use of force&#8230;the protester will hopefully lay complaints and then the courts will have to decide&#8230;thoughtfully.<br />
To the protesters on both days; if my future depends on everyone acting like you did, I know that a civilized world is not far away. There is hope, but it is going to be very, very difficult.</p>
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