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	<title>Comments on: Interview with a pepper-sprayed UC Davis&#160;student</title>
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		<title>By: pptnm2007</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1279392</link>
		<dc:creator>pptnm2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 08:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did the bag packing 22 years ago and very happy much HIGHER standard of living now and YES paying more taxes but saving way more on medical and schooling for the kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did the bag packing 22 years ago and very happy much HIGHER standard of living now and YES paying more taxes but saving way more on medical and schooling for the kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Blythe</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1279333</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Blythe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 05:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have tons of respect for these students. Even in the face of danger, they used their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS to demonstrate peacefully. Even when big brother tried to stop them, they took it like true grown, humble adults, and proved they were the better people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have tons of respect for these students. Even in the face of danger, they used their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS to demonstrate peacefully. Even when big brother tried to stop them, they took it like true grown, humble adults, and proved they were the better people.</p>
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		<title>By: BillGalluccio</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1279206</link>
		<dc:creator>BillGalluccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 01:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer is simple. Taxes. In Sweden for example, they have tax rates on individuals between 28-60%, then a payroll tax of over 31%, and a VAT of 25%. If you want to have that much of your hard earned money taken out of your pocket then pack your bags, get on a plane and move there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer is simple. Taxes. In Sweden for example, they have tax rates on individuals between 28-60%, then a payroll tax of over 31%, and a VAT of 25%. If you want to have that much of your hard earned money taken out of your pocket then pack your bags, get on a plane and move there.</p>
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		<title>By: AsianSoprano</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1279148</link>
		<dc:creator>AsianSoprano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not all police officers are enemies. There are still those who truly care about citizens. Those police who moved in to try to peacefully remove students were going to do the right thing without causing harm to the students, but then Pike stopped them from that. Do not let asshole cops like Pike ruin your perception of cops, because there are still those few who care. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not all police officers are enemies. There are still those who truly care about citizens. Those police who moved in to try to peacefully remove students were going to do the right thing without causing harm to the students, but then Pike stopped them from that. Do not let asshole cops like Pike ruin your perception of cops, because there are still those few who care. </p>
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		<title>By: Wm Kiernan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1279119</link>
		<dc:creator>Wm Kiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 23:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be nice to see them stand up in public and say something.   It would be nice to see &lt;I&gt;one of them&lt;/I&gt; stand up in public and say something.  I&#039;m not asking for any of them to so much as lift a finger to defend harmless U.S. citizens from chemical-weapons battery, just a disparaging word or two.   So when will I read the first editorial article or letter to the editor or teevee interview or blog post from any active-duty police officer anywhere in the U.S.A.  saying that this kind of excessive police brutality is bad policy, or bad morals, or both?

When Hell freezes over!  The police officers of the U.S.A. have chosen which side they&#039;re on, one and all.  They&#039;re our enemies. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be nice to see them stand up in public and say something.   It would be nice to see <i>one of them</i> stand up in public and say something.  I&#8217;m not asking for any of them to so much as lift a finger to defend harmless U.S. citizens from chemical-weapons battery, just a disparaging word or two.   So when will I read the first editorial article or letter to the editor or teevee interview or blog post from any active-duty police officer anywhere in the U.S.A.  saying that this kind of excessive police brutality is bad policy, or bad morals, or both?</p>
<p>When Hell freezes over!  The police officers of the U.S.A. have chosen which side they&#8217;re on, one and all.  They&#8217;re our enemies. </p>
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		<title>By: soapisclean</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1279018</link>
		<dc:creator>soapisclean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 22:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As westerners we pride ourselves on our &quot;freedom of speech&quot; and &quot;humanitarian morals&quot; but we should test our TRUE limits of freedom more often like this and we&#039;ll realize just how little our rights and freedoms mean to a higher authority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As westerners we pride ourselves on our &#8220;freedom of speech&#8221; and &#8220;humanitarian morals&#8221; but we should test our TRUE limits of freedom more often like this and we&#8217;ll realize just how little our rights and freedoms mean to a higher authority.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Swearengen</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1278893</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Swearengen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is incident goes to the heart of OWS.  While ordinary Armericans are brutalized and arrested for minor loitering offenses and &quot;not following orders&quot;, Wall Street criminals count their millions.  Uninvestigated and unmolested.  Bank robbers have to give their money back and be punished, robber banks buy themselves the gov&#039;t.

We have the 2-tiered justice system of a banana republic.  If that doesn&#039;t make your blood boil, you&#039;re part of the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is incident goes to the heart of OWS.  While ordinary Armericans are brutalized and arrested for minor loitering offenses and &#8220;not following orders&#8221;, Wall Street criminals count their millions.  Uninvestigated and unmolested.  Bank robbers have to give their money back and be punished, robber banks buy themselves the gov&#8217;t.</p>
<p>We have the 2-tiered justice system of a banana republic.  If that doesn&#8217;t make your blood boil, you&#8217;re part of the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: John Lind</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1278835</link>
		<dc:creator>John Lind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 19:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have got to be kidding me.  Pike was casually holding the military grade pepper spray device inches from the students as he sprayed them.  He showed no emotion at all.  I have no idea why you feel his body language showed anything other than that he was enjoying the power of his position.  Most importantly, there was no reason at all for pepper spray to be used in the first place.  The students had a constitutional right to assemble and to free speech. In the worst case, the officers could have just picked up the students and moved them with no chemical agent being forced into their eyes or down their throats.  Officer Pike acted inhumanely and showed absolutely no concern for those he was hurting.  I wouldn&#039;t allow this man to baby sit my grandchild or even take care of my cats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have got to be kidding me.  Pike was casually holding the military grade pepper spray device inches from the students as he sprayed them.  He showed no emotion at all.  I have no idea why you feel his body language showed anything other than that he was enjoying the power of his position.  Most importantly, there was no reason at all for pepper spray to be used in the first place.  The students had a constitutional right to assemble and to free speech. In the worst case, the officers could have just picked up the students and moved them with no chemical agent being forced into their eyes or down their throats.  Officer Pike acted inhumanely and showed absolutely no concern for those he was hurting.  I wouldn&#8217;t allow this man to baby sit my grandchild or even take care of my cats.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth Conant</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1278694</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth Conant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 17:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl,  No they are just using their power to the detriment of the students they are tasked to protect. What possible motivation could there otherwise be? Public Safety? Health concerns? Doubtful indeed!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl,  No they are just using their power to the detriment of the students they are tasked to protect. What possible motivation could there otherwise be? Public Safety? Health concerns? Doubtful indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: donovan acree</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1278489</link>
		<dc:creator>donovan acree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 14:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@boingboing-32e0740fc318fc059523a2f830a5b248:disqus  Until 2007 we had thought this was a mistake. We had been told the National Guard was not acting under orders. In 2007 we found out that there were orders to shoot given. It was covered up all theses years.
How do you think the public would have reacted if they had known that? Today we have cameras everywhere so that kind of coverup is very difficult. No, now they simply say it is justified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@boingboing-32e0740fc318fc059523a2f830a5b248:disqus  Until 2007 we had thought this was a mistake. We had been told the National Guard was not acting under orders. In 2007 we found out that there were orders to shoot given. It was covered up all theses years.<br />
How do you think the public would have reacted if they had known that? Today we have cameras everywhere so that kind of coverup is very difficult. No, now they simply say it is justified.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria The Amazon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1278385</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria The Amazon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 08:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This kind of behavior is disgusting, as well as what happened at Baruch CUNY. I&#039;m greatly sorry that these students suffered and thank them for their service to the us and the future of my children. Officers like this are despicable and power hungry. If you are anti-violence, please read this petition. If you agree with it, please sign it and share it.  https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/condemn-disproportionate-violence-used-police-opposing-occupy-movement-and-stand-free-speech/rlQ5mHYZ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This kind of behavior is disgusting, as well as what happened at Baruch CUNY. I&#8217;m greatly sorry that these students suffered and thank them for their service to the us and the future of my children. Officers like this are despicable and power hungry. If you are anti-violence, please read this petition. If you agree with it, please sign it and share it.  https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/condemn-disproportionate-violence-used-police-opposing-occupy-movement-and-stand-free-speech/rlQ5mHYZ</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Perry</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1278313</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 05:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before the start of the next semester - EVERY student attending at any University of California campus should change schools, boycott the UC system, vote with their dollars (and their feet).  A sudden and drastic drop in tuition revenues will send the message home.  Hey, if they say money=speech, make your money talk...make it say &quot;goodbye!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before the start of the next semester &#8211; EVERY student attending at any University of California campus should change schools, boycott the UC system, vote with their dollars (and their feet).  A sudden and drastic drop in tuition revenues will send the message home.  Hey, if they say money=speech, make your money talk&#8230;make it say &#8220;goodbye!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: concernedparentandtaxpayer</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1278289</link>
		<dc:creator>concernedparentandtaxpayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 04:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Fighting the police in the streets will lead to bloodshed. Fighting in the courts will lead to victory. Nonviolence is victory on every level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Fighting the police in the streets will lead to bloodshed. Fighting in the courts will lead to victory. Nonviolence is victory on every level.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1278186</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 02:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gone.  I expect that that article will be locked shortly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gone.  I expect that that article will be locked shortly.</p>
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		<title>By: pptnm2007</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1278182</link>
		<dc:creator>pptnm2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 02:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you seem to know a lot, can you please tell me how SWEDEN, DENMARK and others countries do so well at have Education FREE </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you seem to know a lot, can you please tell me how SWEDEN, DENMARK and others countries do so well at have Education FREE </p>
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		<title>By: aleqi</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1278174</link>
		<dc:creator>aleqi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 01:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Davis#People

Wikipedia now has a nice tidbit about what a complete jerk officer John Pike is!  Go internet!  Down with police brutality!</description>
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<p>Wikipedia now has a nice tidbit about what a complete jerk officer John Pike is!  Go internet!  Down with police brutality!</p>
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		<title>By: BillGalluccio</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1278078</link>
		<dc:creator>BillGalluccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 23:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listen kid, you don&#039;t have much sense of reality. You fight against privatization,  and austerity, while railing against tuition increases. You can&#039;t have all three. Privatization can help lower costs, which in turn will help lower tuition. The reason for the austerity is to help lower tuition. Imagine how much tuition would be if they didn&#039;t cut some of the programs, or let go some stuff. I&#039;m sure your plan to help pay for your plans would be to tax companies and the rich more. You can do that, but even if we took 100% of their wealth we wouldn&#039;t be able to fund the federal government for a full year. And with their wealth taken by the federal government, that leaves nothing for the states, meaning your schools would be facing serious trouble.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen kid, you don&#8217;t have much sense of reality. You fight against privatization,  and austerity, while railing against tuition increases. You can&#8217;t have all three. Privatization can help lower costs, which in turn will help lower tuition. The reason for the austerity is to help lower tuition. Imagine how much tuition would be if they didn&#8217;t cut some of the programs, or let go some stuff. I&#8217;m sure your plan to help pay for your plans would be to tax companies and the rich more. You can do that, but even if we took 100% of their wealth we wouldn&#8217;t be able to fund the federal government for a full year. And with their wealth taken by the federal government, that leaves nothing for the states, meaning your schools would be facing serious trouble.  </p>
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		<title>By: Lancey Taylor</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1277729</link>
		<dc:creator>Lancey Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 18:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this police officer is a sick twisted person. My husband was a Maine State Police officer and would have been horrified by this. In Maine the police officers are trained to serve and protect. Any officer here would be severely reprimanded or fired for this type of action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this police officer is a sick twisted person. My husband was a Maine State Police officer and would have been horrified by this. In Maine the police officers are trained to serve and protect. Any officer here would be severely reprimanded or fired for this type of action.</p>
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		<title>By: Aloisius</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1277680</link>
		<dc:creator>Aloisius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you look at the history of those movements in the US, you would notice that civil disobedience was actually a rather small portion of an organized campaign. Every successful movement in US history had strong spokesmen, organized leadership, organized political pressure, a full court DC press and a easily understandable (and limited) list of complaints. Protests and civil disobedience were only a *small* part of what these movements did. They were something they did once in a while in order to celebrate, remind people they were there or drum up support for their actual activities that you know, made an actual difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look at the history of those movements in the US, you would notice that civil disobedience was actually a rather small portion of an organized campaign. Every successful movement in US history had strong spokesmen, organized leadership, organized political pressure, a full court DC press and a easily understandable (and limited) list of complaints. Protests and civil disobedience were only a *small* part of what these movements did. They were something they did once in a while in order to celebrate, remind people they were there or drum up support for their actual activities that you know, made an actual difference.</p>
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		<title>By: donovan acree</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1277669</link>
		<dc:creator>donovan acree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In plain view of a large group of police, a man brutalized a group of passive citizens. The police witnessing this event did not do a thing to stop the attacker. Some of those who were attacked by this maniac were later arrested for being passive.
What&#039;s your take away from this? Mine is that the police will not protect you. Police will allow people to attack you. Police will attack you unprovoked. Police will arrest you for doing nothing but sitting on the ground at a school you pay tuition to. 
Clearly the powers given to the police are not only being abused but it seems that they are no longer trained that their power is derived from the citizenship who they used to swear to protect and serve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In plain view of a large group of police, a man brutalized a group of passive citizens. The police witnessing this event did not do a thing to stop the attacker. Some of those who were attacked by this maniac were later arrested for being passive.<br />
What&#8217;s your take away from this? Mine is that the police will not protect you. Police will allow people to attack you. Police will attack you unprovoked. Police will arrest you for doing nothing but sitting on the ground at a school you pay tuition to.<br />
Clearly the powers given to the police are not only being abused but it seems that they are no longer trained that their power is derived from the citizenship who they used to swear to protect and serve.</p>
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		<title>By: Tonweight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tonweight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the &quot;didn&#039;t read, hit-and-run,&quot; but I wanted to put it *somewhere* that I hope people start brutalizing the police back.  I, for one, would not stand for a point-blank pepper spraying idly:  I would HULK out and let the bodies fall as they might.  It&#039;s why I&#039;m staying well-away from any of this Occupy stuff; I know myself too well.  I&#039;d do that, and innocent people would get hurt as a result.  A crying bloody shame, that.

Only when we stop acting like sheep, and more like grizzlies, will the wolves finally take notice of us.  Thing is, it seems no one really wants to fall on the sword - myself included.  Admittedly, I don&#039;t care enough about the daily struggles of others to act as martyr to their cause.

I&#039;m reasonably certain that, given the Current State of Things, those who believe in resolution without revolution are (sadly) deluded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the &#8220;didn&#8217;t read, hit-and-run,&#8221; but I wanted to put it *somewhere* that I hope people start brutalizing the police back.  I, for one, would not stand for a point-blank pepper spraying idly:  I would HULK out and let the bodies fall as they might.  It&#8217;s why I&#8217;m staying well-away from any of this Occupy stuff; I know myself too well.  I&#8217;d do that, and innocent people would get hurt as a result.  A crying bloody shame, that.</p>
<p>Only when we stop acting like sheep, and more like grizzlies, will the wolves finally take notice of us.  Thing is, it seems no one really wants to fall on the sword &#8211; myself included.  Admittedly, I don&#8217;t care enough about the daily struggles of others to act as martyr to their cause.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reasonably certain that, given the Current State of Things, those who believe in resolution without revolution are (sadly) deluded.</p>
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		<title>By: Natasha Stoudt</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1277549</link>
		<dc:creator>Natasha Stoudt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 14:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean, that&#039;s what happens when what you are advocating doesn&#039;t really go against the wishes of those who are in power?

If you look at history, even just in the 20th century, every movement that has accomplished something significant has used civil disobedience to do so. Women&#039;s suffrage, labor, civil rights, it&#039;s all there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean, that&#8217;s what happens when what you are advocating doesn&#8217;t really go against the wishes of those who are in power?</p>
<p>If you look at history, even just in the 20th century, every movement that has accomplished something significant has used civil disobedience to do so. Women&#8217;s suffrage, labor, civil rights, it&#8217;s all there.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1277449</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arguments worth having? Arguments are made. 
Profit, motive? Not everything revolves around these, albeit they are prolific.

Assumptions abound!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arguments worth having? Arguments are made.<br />
Profit, motive? Not everything revolves around these, albeit they are prolific.</p>
<p>Assumptions abound!</p>
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		<title>By: erin jones</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1277444</link>
		<dc:creator>erin jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If she&#039;s not stupid, then she&#039;s certainly incompetent.&quot;
Or utterly cynical. But I&#039;d hope that&#039;s not the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If she&#8217;s not stupid, then she&#8217;s certainly incompetent.&#8221;<br />
Or utterly cynical. But I&#8217;d hope that&#8217;s not the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1277445</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would gladly have a reasonable conversation if he would have the grace to do so. </description>
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		<title>By: erin jones</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1277441</link>
		<dc:creator>erin jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just goes to show how subjective are our interpretations of body language. Did you watch the video?

Lt. Pike behaved as if he were in a vaudeville act: holding up the large, red bottle of pepper spray; moving it about to show it off; then, walking with a spring in his step that could even allow his stride to fairly be described as &quot;prancing,&quot; he moved down the line of sitting protesters and sprayed them in the face at a distance of roughly 12 inches. The recommended minimum distance is 6 feet, but it is effective up to 20 feet away. He repeated the process three times. Before he sprayed them, he delivered this threat to the protesters: &quot;Move, or we&#039;re going to shoot you.&quot; Then, turning to his colleagues, &quot;Don&#039;t worry. I&#039;m going to spray these kids down.&quot;

His behavior was colored by a substantial degree of performance. He may have been following orders, but he certainly seemed to be enjoying himself. Regardless, he deserves to be taken to task for the use of excessive force and for assaulting citizens with a chemical weapon.

I do understand and agree with your point that it&#039;s important that those who issue the orders are not allowed to evade accountability through the scape-goating of an officer lower on the organization chart. But holding Lieutenant Pike responsible for his actions does not automatically give a pass to those who issue him his orders. 

He broke the law, failed to perform his duties (for which he is amply compensated) and brutalized citizens. He must be held accountable.

Furthermore, he is, in fact, in a position of power as an officer. As a Lieutenant, his actions carry more weight and influence the behavior of those on the force who he outranks.

It also appears from reviewing the UCDavis Police Department&#039;s website, that he is in some way involved in assessing claims of  inappropriate or illegal behavior committed by members of UCDPD. If that&#039;s the case, a thorough investigation and trial must be conducted to establish standards of conduct going forward. The Occupy Movement is in its early stages and I think we ain&#039;t seen nothin&#039; yet. (to paraphrase Slim Pickens.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just goes to show how subjective are our interpretations of body language. Did you watch the video?</p>
<p>Lt. Pike behaved as if he were in a vaudeville act: holding up the large, red bottle of pepper spray; moving it about to show it off; then, walking with a spring in his step that could even allow his stride to fairly be described as &#8220;prancing,&#8221; he moved down the line of sitting protesters and sprayed them in the face at a distance of roughly 12 inches. The recommended minimum distance is 6 feet, but it is effective up to 20 feet away. He repeated the process three times. Before he sprayed them, he delivered this threat to the protesters: &#8220;Move, or we&#8217;re going to shoot you.&#8221; Then, turning to his colleagues, &#8220;Don&#8217;t worry. I&#8217;m going to spray these kids down.&#8221;</p>
<p>His behavior was colored by a substantial degree of performance. He may have been following orders, but he certainly seemed to be enjoying himself. Regardless, he deserves to be taken to task for the use of excessive force and for assaulting citizens with a chemical weapon.</p>
<p>I do understand and agree with your point that it&#8217;s important that those who issue the orders are not allowed to evade accountability through the scape-goating of an officer lower on the organization chart. But holding Lieutenant Pike responsible for his actions does not automatically give a pass to those who issue him his orders. </p>
<p>He broke the law, failed to perform his duties (for which he is amply compensated) and brutalized citizens. He must be held accountable.</p>
<p>Furthermore, he is, in fact, in a position of power as an officer. As a Lieutenant, his actions carry more weight and influence the behavior of those on the force who he outranks.</p>
<p>It also appears from reviewing the UCDavis Police Department&#8217;s website, that he is in some way involved in assessing claims of  inappropriate or illegal behavior committed by members of UCDPD. If that&#8217;s the case, a thorough investigation and trial must be conducted to establish standards of conduct going forward. The Occupy Movement is in its early stages and I think we ain&#8217;t seen nothin&#8217; yet. (to paraphrase Slim Pickens.)</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1277440</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 06:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Compose yourselves.  Or get a room.</description>
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		<title>By: mc.murphy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1277436</link>
		<dc:creator>mc.murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 06:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once you put up an argument worth having, we&#039;ll have one. 

You know: profit motive and all that...

Edit:

You&#039;ve plopped yourself on my dashboard, presumably since you&#039;re a fan of dildodoodledumb. 

Go to it: have fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once you put up an argument worth having, we&#8217;ll have one. </p>
<p>You know: profit motive and all that&#8230;</p>
<p>Edit:</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve plopped yourself on my dashboard, presumably since you&#8217;re a fan of dildodoodledumb. </p>
<p>Go to it: have fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1277435</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 06:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, I see. Rather than clarify and educate you deflect and run - nice strategy for defending your argument. You know, this is too common with most anyone who doesn&#039;t really have a reason for their beliefs.

And on to the assumptions - why do you think I am in anyway supportive of Beck? How have you come to this conclusion? You and I have never exchanged thoughts before. Are you someone known by an alias elsewhere who&#039;s been in hiding?

You wrote gibberish, and then responded with insults. 

If this is the best you&#039;ve got I&#039;ll make you look like an idiot just for the fun of it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I see. Rather than clarify and educate you deflect and run &#8211; nice strategy for defending your argument. You know, this is too common with most anyone who doesn&#8217;t really have a reason for their beliefs.</p>
<p>And on to the assumptions &#8211; why do you think I am in anyway supportive of Beck? How have you come to this conclusion? You and I have never exchanged thoughts before. Are you someone known by an alias elsewhere who&#8217;s been in hiding?</p>
<p>You wrote gibberish, and then responded with insults. </p>
<p>If this is the best you&#8217;ve got I&#8217;ll make you look like an idiot just for the fun of it!</p>
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		<title>By: mc.murphy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html#comment-1277430</link>
		<dc:creator>mc.murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 06:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t help with your Beckster atrophied comprehension problems, sorry, bud.</description>
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