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	<title>Comments on: UC Davis chancellor Katehi issues statement on police pepper-spraying of student&#160;protesters</title>
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		<title>By: Susan Carley Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Carley Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 02:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She used the word &quot;comprised&quot; incorrectly, and deserves to be bludgeoned, then fired, just for that.

IMO.

Also - what y&#039;all just said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She used the word &#8220;comprised&#8221; incorrectly, and deserves to be bludgeoned, then fired, just for that.</p>
<p>IMO.</p>
<p>Also &#8211; what y&#8217;all just said.</p>
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		<title>By: hymenopterid</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/21/uc-davis-chancellor-katehi-iss.html#comment-1277840</link>
		<dc:creator>hymenopterid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A  cowardly display.  She acts as though someone else is making the decisions for her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A  cowardly display.  She acts as though someone else is making the decisions for her.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It saddens me everyday I see democracy bludgeoned with a defence of &#039;policy&#039; ~ be it right or wrong _ from the UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It saddens me everyday I see democracy bludgeoned with a defence of &#8216;policy&#8217; ~ be it right or wrong _ from the UK.</p>
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		<title>By: Barfman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barfman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 21:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something we&#039;ve been discussing at UCLA that doesn&#039;t seem to be talked about a lot is the selective application of anti-camping laws by the university. 

Cops aren&#039;t dispatched to break up groups of students that camp overnight, sometimes for days, to get tickets to big sporting events.  &quot;Tent cities&quot; are a routine feature of many sport loving universities when basketball season starts.  Likewise (and specific to UCLA) when students erect encampments around the Bruin bear to protect if from USC during game weeks, no pepper spray is unleashed.   

But when students have specific grievances against the university, truncheons and riot gear come out in force.  What&#039;s changed?  They&#039;re still students.  They&#039;re still camping.  Their cheers sound a little different from the typical &quot;Beat &#039;SC,&quot; but they&#039;re no more rowdy (sometimes less, actually) and no more a threat to public safety or sanitation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something we&#8217;ve been discussing at UCLA that doesn&#8217;t seem to be talked about a lot is the selective application of anti-camping laws by the university. </p>
<p>Cops aren&#8217;t dispatched to break up groups of students that camp overnight, sometimes for days, to get tickets to big sporting events.  &#8221;Tent cities&#8221; are a routine feature of many sport loving universities when basketball season starts.  Likewise (and specific to UCLA) when students erect encampments around the Bruin bear to protect if from USC during game weeks, no pepper spray is unleashed.   </p>
<p>But when students have specific grievances against the university, truncheons and riot gear come out in force.  What&#8217;s changed?  They&#8217;re still students.  They&#8217;re still camping.  Their cheers sound a little different from the typical &#8220;Beat &#8216;SC,&#8221; but they&#8217;re no more rowdy (sometimes less, actually) and no more a threat to public safety or sanitation.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But why would she be wearing riot gear? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But why would she be wearing riot gear? :)</p>
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		<title>By: ahwoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>ahwoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aha ! the ole &#039;I am forming a task force comprised of....blah, blah, blah. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aha ! the ole &#8216;I am forming a task force comprised of&#8230;.blah, blah, blah. </p>
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		<title>By: aeryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>aeryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Civil disobedience is a game of peace chicken in which the first side to get violent loses.&quot;

That is FANTASTIC. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Civil disobedience is a game of peace chicken in which the first side to get violent loses.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is FANTASTIC. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: pitchspork</title>
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		<dc:creator>pitchspork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chancellor: &quot;OK, clear those camps outta there.  But I don&#039;t want to see another Berkeley video with our cops hitting kids with batons, OK?&quot;  Underling: &quot;Yes ma&#039;am. No batons.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chancellor: &#8220;OK, clear those camps outta there.  But I don&#8217;t want to see another Berkeley video with our cops hitting kids with batons, OK?&#8221;  Underling: &#8220;Yes ma&#8217;am. No batons.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anahata</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anahata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Friday was not a day that would make anyone on our campus proud;&quot;

Right. Your shameful decisions and the sickening actions of the campus police are a disgrace that embarrasses and disgusts us all. 

That is what you meant, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Friday was not a day that would make anyone on our campus proud;&#8221;</p>
<p>Right. Your shameful decisions and the sickening actions of the campus police are a disgrace that embarrasses and disgusts us all. </p>
<p>That is what you meant, right?</p>
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		<title>By: EllenBethGill</title>
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		<dc:creator>EllenBethGill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if you argue that the first amendment does not protect these camps, camping out unlawfully is a pretty minor offense, usually only a misdemeanor of the sort that gets the offender a ticket, like a traffic ticket. So, equating these camps with offenses that call for these harsh police/para-military actions is over the top.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if you argue that the first amendment does not protect these camps, camping out unlawfully is a pretty minor offense, usually only a misdemeanor of the sort that gets the offender a ticket, like a traffic ticket. So, equating these camps with offenses that call for these harsh police/para-military actions is over the top.  </p>
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		<title>By: EH</title>
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		<dc:creator>EH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We had officer Bologna in NYC pepper spray non-violent protesters with no provocation.&lt;/i&gt;

He and Pike are Lieutenants, senior officers. Pike was just sick of standing around looking at hippies, so he decided to give himself a vacation away from these losers. Now Katehi is standing up for him, it&#039;s as simple as that. Same thing happened with Bologna, &quot;I&#039;m sick of this shit.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We had officer Bologna in NYC pepper spray non-violent protesters with no provocation.</i></p>
<p>He and Pike are Lieutenants, senior officers. Pike was just sick of standing around looking at hippies, so he decided to give himself a vacation away from these losers. Now Katehi is standing up for him, it&#8217;s as simple as that. Same thing happened with Bologna, &#8220;I&#8217;m sick of this shit.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: SomeGuyNamedMark</title>
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		<dc:creator>SomeGuyNamedMark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations on crossing the line from having people think &quot;they&#039;re just doing their job keeping those hippies in line&quot; to &quot;what a bunch of pathetic thugs&quot;.  When you disgust even disinterested observers then you&#039;ve gotten yourself into a real hole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations on crossing the line from having people think &#8220;they&#8217;re just doing their job keeping those hippies in line&#8221; to &#8220;what a bunch of pathetic thugs&#8221;.  When you disgust even disinterested observers then you&#8217;ve gotten yourself into a real hole.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Palmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to echo an earlier sentiment by LIBDD

The Chancellor’s opening statement, &quot;Friday was not a day that would make anyone on our campus proud,&quot; is a sad, sad attempt to just try to pretend the events of Friday never
happened. The actions of the Chancellor and of the campus police were shameful. We may choose to agree or disagree with the actions of the protesters leading up to the pepper spray incident - personally I support those actions but that is not really the point. What is truly remarkable and is setting a brilliant example to people everywhere is the composure of the protesters and the surrounding students when the police chose to use pepper spray. It was an act of thoughtless and unnecessary violence. It has inspired revulsion around the globe. But the students and participants in the UC Davis protest did not respond to violence with violence. They did not lash out with indignant and violent fury when the protesters were tortured, and let us be honest - it was torture. The protesters were not physically threatening the police. The police chose to inflict severe pain on the protesters for no better reason than it made their jobs easier. 

The students and protesters did not sink to the level of their persecutors. It was a spontaneous and communal response that should remind us of our better selves. They did not react in kind with the sort of thuggish violence modeled by the police. They did not turn their backs and abandon their fellows in the same manner of their Quisling chancellor. They responded passionately and nonviolently. They shamed the police profoundly but did not harm them physically. Their actions and compassion are resonating still. As Gandhi said, &quot;In a gentle way you can shake the world.&quot; He would be proud of those UC Davis students, as should we all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to echo an earlier sentiment by LIBDD</p>
<p>The Chancellor’s opening statement, &#8220;Friday was not a day that would make anyone on our campus proud,&#8221; is a sad, sad attempt to just try to pretend the events of Friday never<br />
happened. The actions of the Chancellor and of the campus police were shameful. We may choose to agree or disagree with the actions of the protesters leading up to the pepper spray incident &#8211; personally I support those actions but that is not really the point. What is truly remarkable and is setting a brilliant example to people everywhere is the composure of the protesters and the surrounding students when the police chose to use pepper spray. It was an act of thoughtless and unnecessary violence. It has inspired revulsion around the globe. But the students and participants in the UC Davis protest did not respond to violence with violence. They did not lash out with indignant and violent fury when the protesters were tortured, and let us be honest &#8211; it was torture. The protesters were not physically threatening the police. The police chose to inflict severe pain on the protesters for no better reason than it made their jobs easier. </p>
<p>The students and protesters did not sink to the level of their persecutors. It was a spontaneous and communal response that should remind us of our better selves. They did not react in kind with the sort of thuggish violence modeled by the police. They did not turn their backs and abandon their fellows in the same manner of their Quisling chancellor. They responded passionately and nonviolently. They shamed the police profoundly but did not harm them physically. Their actions and compassion are resonating still. As Gandhi said, &#8220;In a gentle way you can shake the world.&#8221; He would be proud of those UC Davis students, as should we all.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, here&#039;s an excellent essay by Norm Stamper, who was Seattle&#039;s Chief of Police during the 1999 WTO riots, about what&#039;s wrong with the current trend towards militarization of the police: http://www.thenation.com/article/164501/paramilitary-policing-seattle-occupy-wall-street</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, here&#8217;s an excellent essay by Norm Stamper, who was Seattle&#8217;s Chief of Police during the 1999 WTO riots, about what&#8217;s wrong with the current trend towards militarization of the police: http://www.thenation.com/article/164501/paramilitary-policing-seattle-occupy-wall-street</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Criminal matters should be addressed as all criminal matters are: with criminal investigations that lead to arrest and trial in a court of law. That is what needs to happen to police who act criminally against any person.  As to university policy, the fact that any university police officer could even begin to entertain the idea that the university would &quot;back him up&quot; if he pulled such a stunt, means there is serious problems with university policy and management.  Failing receiving UC Davis chancellor Katehi&#039;s immediate resignation, the Board should have immediately acted to fire her. Their failure means there are resignations there that should be called for also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Criminal matters should be addressed as all criminal matters are: with criminal investigations that lead to arrest and trial in a court of law. That is what needs to happen to police who act criminally against any person.  As to university policy, the fact that any university police officer could even begin to entertain the idea that the university would &#8220;back him up&#8221; if he pulled such a stunt, means there is serious problems with university policy and management.  Failing receiving UC Davis chancellor Katehi&#8217;s immediate resignation, the Board should have immediately acted to fire her. Their failure means there are resignations there that should be called for also.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love how you can be chancellor and be responsible for everything that happens on your university *except* how the cops implement your &quot;get those bastards off my campus&quot; orders.

Joseph Stalin: &quot;Sure, I ordered my people to get rid of millions of Soviet citizens, but I didn&#039;t expect them to be so forceful about it. I&#039;ll put some of my people on leave, while I convene a panel...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how you can be chancellor and be responsible for everything that happens on your university *except* how the cops implement your &#8220;get those bastards off my campus&#8221; orders.</p>
<p>Joseph Stalin: &#8220;Sure, I ordered my people to get rid of millions of Soviet citizens, but I didn&#8217;t expect them to be so forceful about it. I&#8217;ll put some of my people on leave, while I convene a panel&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: senorglory</title>
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		<dc:creator>senorglory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An on-campus statue of Lt. Pike spraying students is a fantastic idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An on-campus statue of Lt. Pike spraying students is a fantastic idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Cal Erstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cal Erstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You phrased that wonderfully. &quot;You were sprayed at point blank range and in some cases directly into your mouths and eyes to support our concern for health and safety.  We love ya!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You phrased that wonderfully. &#8220;You were sprayed at point blank range and in some cases directly into your mouths and eyes to support our concern for health and safety.  We love ya!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Cal Erstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cal Erstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi. We were concerned about the protest staying over the weekend without campus staff there to help them...  Oh, but we were only concerned about removing the equipment, so that earlier statement about being concerned with students being there has nothing to do with me now saying﻿ &quot;we didn&#039;t want to remove the people or disperse the crowd-ONLY the equipment.&quot;

Equipment sure is dangerous, lady. Send more officers next time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. We were concerned about the protest staying over the weekend without campus staff there to help them&#8230;  Oh, but we were only concerned about removing the equipment, so that earlier statement about being concerned with students being there has nothing to do with me now saying﻿ &#8220;we didn&#8217;t want to remove the people or disperse the crowd-ONLY the equipment.&#8221;</p>
<p>Equipment sure is dangerous, lady. Send more officers next time.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Peterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How are only 2 campus police officers on leave?  I saw a dozen or so standing around watching while students were attacked.

If the guy with the pepper spray hadn&#039;t been wearing the same uniform as the rest of the campus police, would ANY of them still be employed by their failure to protect students from assault and battery?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How are only 2 campus police officers on leave?  I saw a dozen or so standing around watching while students were attacked.</p>
<p>If the guy with the pepper spray hadn&#8217;t been wearing the same uniform as the rest of the campus police, would ANY of them still be employed by their failure to protect students from assault and battery?</p>
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		<title>By: Jami Sharples</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jami Sharples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re not wrong necessarily, however, after what happened at UC Berkley only several days prior, Chancellor Katehi should have second guessed her decision to call police to remove protesters.  It was a forewarning that she neglected to notice. Shame on her. 

NOTE: In addition, along with leadership comes responsibility, just because she did not order police to spray her students with pepper spray, does not mean she shouldn&#039;t be held accountable. Where was she protecting her students when the police arrived? She failed to do her job and should resign out of respect to her students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re not wrong necessarily, however, after what happened at UC Berkley only several days prior, Chancellor Katehi should have second guessed her decision to call police to remove protesters.  It was a forewarning that she neglected to notice. Shame on her. </p>
<p>NOTE: In addition, along with leadership comes responsibility, just because she did not order police to spray her students with pepper spray, does not mean she shouldn&#8217;t be held accountable. Where was she protecting her students when the police arrived? She failed to do her job and should resign out of respect to her students.</p>
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		<title>By: That_Anonymous_Coward</title>
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		<dc:creator>That_Anonymous_Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed the spokesweasel for the police saying they were encircled by the students and were afraid.
If you look at the pictures just before they &quot;Piked&quot; the students, there is a police cruiser on the sidewalk and no one behind it.
They were not trapped, they were not afraid - they were better armed, defended, and trained to deal with crowds.  
They were told to do a job and given no limitations, they hoped to get a violent response and lacking that they tried to incite it further.
We hope these are isolated incidents among those paid to protect us from the bad people, but I fear it is becoming clear that we need someone to protect us from the bad guys and the good guys now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed the spokesweasel for the police saying they were encircled by the students and were afraid.<br />
If you look at the pictures just before they &#8220;Piked&#8221; the students, there is a police cruiser on the sidewalk and no one behind it.<br />
They were not trapped, they were not afraid &#8211; they were better armed, defended, and trained to deal with crowds. <br />
They were told to do a job and given no limitations, they hoped to get a violent response and lacking that they tried to incite it further.<br />
We hope these are isolated incidents among those paid to protect us from the bad people, but I fear it is becoming clear that we need someone to protect us from the bad guys and the good guys now.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Renault</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Renault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It must be nice to be able to never make a mistake.  Ever.</description>
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		<title>By: soodonim</title>
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		<dc:creator>soodonim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;non-UC Davis affiliated individuals&quot;

Say it! Please say it! Just say it already....

&quot;Outside agitators&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;non-UC Davis affiliated individuals&#8221;</p>
<p>Say it! Please say it! Just say it already&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Outside agitators&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: nesnora</title>
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		<dc:creator>nesnora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linda, get on your knees peacefully and take a load of pepper-spray full-on for 15 seconds and then send out a letter. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda, get on your knees peacefully and take a load of pepper-spray full-on for 15 seconds and then send out a letter. </p>
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		<title>By: joeposts</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As indicated in various videos, the police used pepper spray against the students who were blocking the way.&quot;

It&#039;s too hard to step over a line of motionless people sitting on the ground wearing their stormtrooper gear, they HAD to use their chemical weapon. 
 
In the pictures I&#039;ve seen, there are police on both sides of the sitting protesters. They weren&#039;t doing a very good job of blocking and intimidating the poor, helpless, fearful police officers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As indicated in various videos, the police used pepper spray against the students who were blocking the way.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s too hard to step over a line of motionless people sitting on the ground wearing their stormtrooper gear, they HAD to use their chemical weapon. </p>
<p>In the pictures I&#8217;ve seen, there are police on both sides of the sitting protesters. They weren&#8217;t doing a very good job of blocking and intimidating the poor, helpless, fearful police officers.</p>
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		<title>By: Mordicai</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/21/uc-davis-chancellor-katehi-iss.html#comment-1276441</link>
		<dc:creator>Mordicai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I will attempt to provide a summary of the incident with the information now available to me...&quot;

Read here: &quot;oh crap everyone saw that video, I am so totally screwed, can I wrench control of the narrative back by retelling a slightly askew version of events?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I will attempt to provide a summary of the incident with the information now available to me&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Read here: &#8220;oh crap everyone saw that video, I am so totally screwed, can I wrench control of the narrative back by retelling a slightly askew version of events?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Niel de Beaudrap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niel de Beaudrap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone getting murdered or raped in the absence of security is a tragedy; but if it were known that there was no security force to call upon, it would be at least a predictable tragedy. I personally don&#039;t demand that I be protected from every possible disaster that can occur. (It&#039;s a bit interesting how readily you imagine rapes and murders happening any time there aren&#039;t officers immediately available to call upon; I won&#039;t say that it indicates anything in particular, but let&#039;s just say that I wouldn&#039;t jump to that idea as quickly as you have.)

Someone getting assualted chemically *by* security when you are acting peacefully may also be predictable, but if it is, then you might want to reflect on whether your rights are secure from interference by your government --- or worse, not even from your government; but from any organization that deigns to appoint a security force of its own. A number of us are somewhat concerned.

If it is *not* predictable that you should get assaulted chemically by security, when you are acting peacefully, then I would think you should be indignant if you see it happening. Whether or not it is to be expected, most of us feel that peaceful people being chemically assaulted is reprehensible either way, and would like to see some accountability on the part of the people who were responsible for it hapenning.

 So Lt. Pike obviously should be fired, and also get a fair trial in court on the charge of assault. (Whether he gets sued civilly for psychological damages is up to the individuals he assaulted, of course; that&#039;s their business.) As for the Chancellor, it&#039;s not obvious that she should be fired, but it would really be nice to see some measurable and positive changes in policy as a result of what&#039;s happened. I for one would not anticipate them, though, because my experience tells me that bureaucracies of all sorts are congenitally out of touch with people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone getting murdered or raped in the absence of security is a tragedy; but if it were known that there was no security force to call upon, it would be at least a predictable tragedy. I personally don&#8217;t demand that I be protected from every possible disaster that can occur. (It&#8217;s a bit interesting how readily you imagine rapes and murders happening any time there aren&#8217;t officers immediately available to call upon; I won&#8217;t say that it indicates anything in particular, but let&#8217;s just say that I wouldn&#8217;t jump to that idea as quickly as you have.)</p>
<p>Someone getting assualted chemically *by* security when you are acting peacefully may also be predictable, but if it is, then you might want to reflect on whether your rights are secure from interference by your government &#8212; or worse, not even from your government; but from any organization that deigns to appoint a security force of its own. A number of us are somewhat concerned.</p>
<p>If it is *not* predictable that you should get assaulted chemically by security, when you are acting peacefully, then I would think you should be indignant if you see it happening. Whether or not it is to be expected, most of us feel that peaceful people being chemically assaulted is reprehensible either way, and would like to see some accountability on the part of the people who were responsible for it hapenning.</p>
<p> So Lt. Pike obviously should be fired, and also get a fair trial in court on the charge of assault. (Whether he gets sued civilly for psychological damages is up to the individuals he assaulted, of course; that&#8217;s their business.) As for the Chancellor, it&#8217;s not obvious that she should be fired, but it would really be nice to see some measurable and positive changes in policy as a result of what&#8217;s happened. I for one would not anticipate them, though, because my experience tells me that bureaucracies of all sorts are congenitally out of touch with people.</p>
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		<title>By: OldRipbeak</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldRipbeak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi &#039;udcdoc&#039;,
As a fellow &#039;UDC&#039; alum (class of &#039;90), I thought I&#039;d take a moment to respond to your defense of the current chancellor.  You&#039;re right: when you&#039;re in a position of authority, you&#039;re often damned if you do and damned if you don&#039;t.  However, to compare an actual excessive use of force with an imagined rape or murder is laughable at best.  Are you saying that if the UCD PD had not used pepper spray on passive, non-violent protesters, someone may have been raped and/or murdered in the long, lonely nights of Davis?  Or do you believe that people in authority should only be congratulated on their successes?  I don&#039;t think Katehi explicitly ordered the UCD PD to do what they did, but she needs to take full responsibility for the outcome.

Paul Kerchen
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8216;udcdoc&#8217;,<br />
As a fellow &#8216;UDC&#8217; alum (class of &#8217;90), I thought I&#8217;d take a moment to respond to your defense of the current chancellor.  You&#8217;re right: when you&#8217;re in a position of authority, you&#8217;re often damned if you do and damned if you don&#8217;t.  However, to compare an actual excessive use of force with an imagined rape or murder is laughable at best.  Are you saying that if the UCD PD had not used pepper spray on passive, non-violent protesters, someone may have been raped and/or murdered in the long, lonely nights of Davis?  Or do you believe that people in authority should only be congratulated on their successes?  I don&#8217;t think Katehi explicitly ordered the UCD PD to do what they did, but she needs to take full responsibility for the outcome.</p>
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		<title>By: That_Anonymous_Coward</title>
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		<dc:creator>That_Anonymous_Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 14:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a horror story, that there is not a technological way for a person to summon help from authorities in a situation needing it.
Like a cell phone.
And trying to cast the people protesting as a troop of girl scouts taken into the woods and abandoned by their leaders, who want them eaten by bears, awesome touch.
They are adults, they know what they are risking, and they opt to do it.
The person with so much concern for their safety, SENT PEOPLE IN RIOT GEAR.

Murdered, like the poor soul shot near Occupy Oakland, where with all of the extra police being paid to handle it, still took 10 minutes to show up to the crime?  And then tried to say it was someone from Occupy who did it.  Like Bloomberg saying the OWS people are shitting everywhere, but can not give a single real example of it actually happening.

I am one of &quot;you people&quot; and your maybe out of touch with what is going on for the rest of us doc.  Before you try to tell us where we went wrong, maybe try figuring out that how your world works is not how it works for the rest of us.  While things might be fine and dandy for you, its been over 20 years since you graduated.  The world changed and not for the better.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a horror story, that there is not a technological way for a person to summon help from authorities in a situation needing it.<br />
Like a cell phone.<br />
And trying to cast the people protesting as a troop of girl scouts taken into the woods and abandoned by their leaders, who want them eaten by bears, awesome touch.<br />
They are adults, they know what they are risking, and they opt to do it.<br />
The person with so much concern for their safety, SENT PEOPLE IN RIOT GEAR.</p>
<p>Murdered, like the poor soul shot near Occupy Oakland, where with all of the extra police being paid to handle it, still took 10 minutes to show up to the crime?  And then tried to say it was someone from Occupy who did it.  Like Bloomberg saying the OWS people are shitting everywhere, but can not give a single real example of it actually happening.</p>
<p>I am one of &#8220;you people&#8221; and your maybe out of touch with what is going on for the rest of us doc.  Before you try to tell us where we went wrong, maybe try figuring out that how your world works is not how it works for the rest of us.  While things might be fine and dandy for you, its been over 20 years since you graduated.  The world changed and not for the better.</p>
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