Comments on: What the evidence says about pepper spray safety http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Tue, 21 May 2013 07:32:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: ihateloggingin http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1280114 ihateloggingin Fri, 25 Nov 2011 18:46:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1280114 This is the brand used by Pike. http://www.amazon.com/Defense-Technology-56895-Stream-Pepper/dp/B0058EOAUE/ref=cm_cmu_pg_t This is the brand used by Pike.
http://www.amazon.com/Defense-Technology-56895-Stream-Pepper/dp/B0058EOAUE/ref=cm_cmu_pg_t

]]> By: Guest http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1280045 Guest Fri, 25 Nov 2011 15:43:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1280045 You can restrain a body, but to restrain a tongue set wagging by abuse takes more than handcuffs.  You can restrain a body, but to restrain a tongue set wagging by abuse takes more than handcuffs. 

]]> By: mattashburn http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1280041 mattashburn Fri, 25 Nov 2011 15:38:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1280041 The concentration in OC spray used by most U.S. police is nowhere close to 10-20% as stated by the good doctor, or even 5% as used in the study.  Most are around 2-3%.  Here's a brand commonly issued to police: http://www.galls.com/style-SD114-general_catalog-fox-flip-top-dispenser-mark-5-oc-defense-spray The concentration in OC spray used by most U.S. police is nowhere close to 10-20% as stated by the good doctor, or even 5% as used in the study.  Most are around 2-3%.  Here’s a brand commonly issued to police: http://www.galls.com/style-SD114-general_catalog-fox-flip-top-dispenser-mark-5-oc-defense-spray

]]> By: Mitch_M http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1280011 Mitch_M Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:47:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1280011 "...death was more likely if the victim was also restrained." Say what? I can't see any motive other than sadism to spray that stuff on someone who is already restrained. “…death was more likely if the victim was also restrained.” Say what? I can’t see any motive other than sadism to spray that stuff on someone who is already restrained.

]]> By: Thebes http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1279891 Thebes Fri, 25 Nov 2011 04:54:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1279891 Ticked off about the Police State's thuggery for the 1%? Lets have some FUN on Black Friday. Go to your "local" Corporate Big Box. Fill your cart with the "hottest" consumerist items. Cover with other Corporate crap. Then- Abandon the cart in some inconspicuous place, like near the bathrooms or at the register saying you'll be right back - forgot your wallet in the car. Rearrange the store, place condoms next to the baby clothing, hide electronics behind the laxatives. Then, later this weekend, shop locally from small businesses and craftspersons. Consider making (wow, actually making something) your gifts. Spend quality time with your family and friends rather than spending money you don't have on trinkets no one needs made in a place whose human rights record everyone wishes they could forget. Ticked off about the Police State’s thuggery for the 1%?
Lets have some FUN on Black Friday.

Go to your “local” Corporate Big Box. Fill your cart with the “hottest” consumerist items. Cover with other Corporate crap. Then- Abandon the cart in some inconspicuous place, like near the bathrooms or at the register saying you’ll be right back – forgot your wallet in the car.

Rearrange the store, place condoms next to the baby clothing, hide electronics behind the laxatives.

Then, later this weekend, shop locally from small businesses and craftspersons. Consider making (wow, actually making something) your gifts. Spend quality time with your family and friends rather than spending money you don’t have on trinkets no one needs made in a place whose human rights record everyone wishes they could forget.

]]> By: EEllis http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1279872 EEllis Fri, 25 Nov 2011 03:37:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1279872 It might suprise people to know that while OC spray is dangerous and can cause health issues you are more likely to be injured if a cop just puts his hands on you than if OC is used. Yep nothing is safe or guarantied but used reposible OC is safer than westling with someone and not for the police but for the suspect. Now I don't know if the protesters needed to be removed or not but 95% of the arguments used are ignorant or just plain faulse. This is an example.  Also some facts are wrong or misleading in the excerpted article. Civilian and Law Enforcement Pepper sprays range from 0.18% to 1.33% Major Capsaicinoids. Bear Sprays range from 1.0% to 2.0% Major Capsaicinoids. There are 5 Capsaicinoids or types of pepper used in OC spray. The amount of Oleoresin Capsicum, one of those 5 Capsaicinoids, does not indicate how strong the spray is. It's a combination of total  Capsaicinoids  and the amount of Oleoresin Capsicum. Trust me though bear spray is much stronger. In the ACLU study none of the deaths were directly atributed to OC spray and all but 2 were drunk or on drugs. The other 2 were......well had mental issues. Really being drunk and being arrested looks more dangerous than OC and the same. It might suprise people to know that while OC spray is dangerous and can cause health issues you are more likely to be injured if a cop just puts his hands on you than if OC is used. Yep nothing is safe or guarantied but used reposible OC is safer than westling with someone and not for the police but for the suspect. Now I don’t know if the protesters needed to be removed or not but 95% of the arguments used are ignorant or just plain faulse. This is an example.  Also some facts are wrong or misleading in the excerpted article. Civilian and Law Enforcement Pepper sprays range from 0.18% to 1.33% Major Capsaicinoids. Bear Sprays range from 1.0% to 2.0% Major Capsaicinoids. There are 5 Capsaicinoids or types of pepper used in OC spray. The amount of Oleoresin Capsicum, one of those 5 Capsaicinoids, does not indicate how strong the spray is. It’s a combination of total  Capsaicinoids  and the amount of Oleoresin Capsicum. Trust me though bear spray is much stronger. In the ACLU study none of the deaths were directly atributed to OC spray and all but 2 were drunk or on drugs. The other 2 were……well had mental issues. Really being drunk and being arrested looks more dangerous than OC and the same.

]]> By: bunaen http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1279634 bunaen Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:24:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1279634 Now they're an alternative to being fat, pissed-off and too lazy to swing a club. Now they’re an alternative to being fat, pissed-off and too lazy to swing a club.

]]> By: bunaen http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1279625 bunaen Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:16:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1279625 GOOD LORD! DO NOT USE VASELINE! I used work in a crew that sprayed coal-tar emulsion on the interior of domestic water storage tanks.  Coal tar has some kind of oil in it that will burn your skin right off.  One day someone came up with the idea of smearing Vaseline all over our faces where they were exposed (it was not until many years later that air-supplied hoods were used). We all got burned worse than ever.  It was really really bad. The oil in the coal tar that causes the burns collects in the Vaseline. Vaseline may shed water (because water and oil don't mix), but an oil will dissolve into the Vaseline (which is just highly refined petroleum--i.e., oil). I would be very surprised if oleoresin capsicum (which is obviously an oil) would not accumulate in Vaseline in the same way. GOOD LORD! DO NOT USE VASELINE!

I used work in a crew that sprayed coal-tar emulsion on the interior of domestic water storage tanks.  Coal tar has some kind of oil in it that will burn your skin right off.  One day someone came up with the idea of smearing Vaseline all over our faces where they were exposed (it was not until many years later that air-supplied hoods were used).

We all got burned worse than ever.  It was really really bad.

The oil in the coal tar that causes the burns collects in the Vaseline. Vaseline may shed water (because water and oil don’t mix), but an oil will dissolve into the Vaseline (which is just highly refined petroleum–i.e., oil).

I would be very surprised if oleoresin capsicum (which is obviously an oil) would not accumulate in Vaseline in the same way.

]]> By: Guest http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1279587 Guest Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:23:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1279587 <i>Is it not the very definition of cruel and unusual punishment?</i> Nope. That's what the JUDICIAL BRANCH is not allowed to assign. This is the very definition of assault with intent to maim. Is it not the very definition of cruel and unusual punishment?

Nope. That’s what the JUDICIAL BRANCH is not allowed to assign.

This is the very definition of assault with intent to maim.

]]> By: Guest http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1279586 Guest Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:22:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1279586 Humor is a delicious way to dispel tension. :) Humor is a delicious way to dispel tension. :)

]]> By: joeposts http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1279554 joeposts Thu, 24 Nov 2011 16:30:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1279554 hehehe edit: wow.. looked fine in GIMP, looks like crap on here, lol. hehehe

edit: wow.. looked fine in GIMP, looks like crap on here, lol.

]]> By: andygates http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1279530 andygates Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:58:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1279530 Would I be right in assuming that a dose of Old Spicy would really ruin your contact lenses, too?  Gack under lenses is evil enough without having to remove them while pitching an agony fit in a dirty place.  Classy. Thing about all these "less-lethal" weapons is that, exactly as the pesky Left and civlib folks predicted, the people with them use them casually to enforce compliance.  Not to protect, to enforce compliance.   Now, I'm sure that cops are happy not to get in fracas, but it means the threshold of enforcement comes way, way down.  Using it as human bug spray is functionally equivalent to beating them so they're easier to arrest, but without that pesky risk - making it more attractive to a certain mindset.  This whole thing needs some big class-action lawsuits. Would I be right in assuming that a dose of Old Spicy would really ruin your contact lenses, too?  Gack under lenses is evil enough without having to remove them while pitching an agony fit in a dirty place.  Classy.

Thing about all these “less-lethal” weapons is that, exactly as the pesky Left and civlib folks predicted, the people with them use them casually to enforce compliance.  Not to protect, to enforce compliance.   Now, I’m sure that cops are happy not to get in fracas, but it means the threshold of enforcement comes way, way down. 

Using it as human bug spray is functionally equivalent to beating them so they’re easier to arrest, but without that pesky risk – making it more attractive to a certain mindset. 

This whole thing needs some big class-action lawsuits.

]]> By: Trent Baker http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1279489 Trent Baker Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:48:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1279489 I find it highly objectionable that police are all too willing to abuse so called non-lethal alternatives. The original idea behind their introduction was as an alternative to pulling a gun on someone. I think that whenever an officer uses whatever kind of force he should be required to submit an action report or whatever it is called, just as if he had discharged a firearm. I find it highly objectionable that police are all too willing to abuse so called non-lethal alternatives. The original idea behind their introduction was as an alternative to pulling a gun on someone. I think that whenever an officer uses whatever kind of force he should be required to submit an action report or whatever it is called, just as if he had discharged a firearm.

]]> By: Jim Saul http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1279474 Jim Saul Thu, 24 Nov 2011 13:41:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1279474 There also seems to be something grotesquely sexualized in his and Baloney's attitude. Ejaculatory. Like it's "bucopi". There also seems to be something grotesquely sexualized in his and Baloney’s attitude. Ejaculatory.

Like it’s “bucopi”.

]]> By: nehpetsE http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1279452 nehpetsE Thu, 24 Nov 2011 12:32:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1279452 Out of curiosity, what are the legal charges used against civilians, if a civilian uses pepper spray against another civilian, or against a law enforcement personnel? Out of curiosity, what are the legal charges used against civilians, if a civilian uses pepper spray against another civilian, or against a law enforcement personnel?

]]> By: raine1951 http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1279449 raine1951 Thu, 24 Nov 2011 12:12:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1279449 I got the feeling, looking at the video, that the cop who sprayed these kids like cockroaches would have loved to see them die. I got the feeling, looking at the video, that the cop who sprayed these kids like cockroaches would have loved to see them die.

]]> By: peregrinus http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1279447 peregrinus Thu, 24 Nov 2011 12:08:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1279447 Capsicum also has some tricky chemical interactions - ACE inhibitor (causes a dry cough, and possibly messes with high blood pressure medication), it's an anticoagulant agent (so tricky if you're on blood thinners - warfarin, voltarin - even aspirin and ibuprofen! - etc), makes cocaine more dangerous (higher risk of heart attack), messes with sedatives, messes with antidepressants. Antidepressants in particular - interaction can cause psychosis, hypertensive crisis, serotonin crisis - and that last one is veeery interesting, as symptoms include twitching, overresponsive reflexes, hypervigilance and agitation. So a good dose of capsicum on an individual on meds / coke is risky.  On an individual on antidepressants - seems it might make them react negatively to an arrest situation!  I wonder what response that would draw from an officer trained to subdue with pepper spray?  MORE!!  MORE!!  Armlock!!  Resisting arrest, damnit!  MORE!! "Why's he holding his chest and twitching like that?" How many people did you say died after pepperspray administration?  27 ... or 61 associated? Even the US Army didn't like it much - from the Pepperspray entry at wikipedia: The US Army concluded in a 1993 Aberdeen Proving Ground study that pepper spray could cause "[m]utagenic effects, carcinogenic effects, sensitization, cardiovascular and pulmonary toxicity, neurotoxicity, as well as possible human fatalities. There is a risk in using this product on a large and varied population".[ Man, that's some nasty shit! Capsicum also has some tricky chemical interactions – ACE inhibitor (causes a dry cough, and possibly messes with high blood pressure medication), it’s an anticoagulant agent (so tricky if you’re on blood thinners – warfarin, voltarin – even aspirin and ibuprofen! - etc), makes cocaine more dangerous (higher risk of heart attack), messes with sedatives, messes with antidepressants.

Antidepressants in particular – interaction can cause psychosis, hypertensive crisis, serotonin crisis – and that last one is veeery interesting, as symptoms include twitching, overresponsive reflexes, hypervigilance and agitation.

So a good dose of capsicum on an individual on meds / coke is risky.  On an individual on antidepressants – seems it might make them react negatively to an arrest situation!  I wonder what response that would draw from an officer trained to subdue with pepper spray?  MORE!!  MORE!!  Armlock!!  Resisting arrest, damnit!  MORE!!

“Why’s he holding his chest and twitching like that?”

How many people did you say died after pepperspray administration?  27 … or 61 associated?

Even the US Army didn’t like it much – from the Pepperspray entry at wikipedia:

The US Army concluded in a 1993 Aberdeen Proving Ground study that pepper spray could cause “[m]utagenic effects, carcinogenic effects, sensitization, cardiovascular and pulmonary toxicity, neurotoxicity, as well as possible human fatalities. There is a risk in using this product on a large and varied population”.[

Man, that’s some nasty shit!

]]> By: Alex Schroeder http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1279417 Alex Schroeder Thu, 24 Nov 2011 09:43:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1279417 Last time I heard here in Switzerland water cannons used by the police have tear gas mixed in for riot control. Ironically, Switzerland has signed a treaty against chemical weapons such that the same mix cannot be used against foreign invaders. Only against locals... (not sure how trustworthy this page is, which I found by googling for appropriate terms: www.ssi-media.com/pigbrother/Dokgas.htm) Last time I heard here in Switzerland water cannons used by the police have tear gas mixed in for riot control. Ironically, Switzerland has signed a treaty against chemical weapons such that the same mix cannot be used against foreign invaders. Only against locals… (not sure how trustworthy this page is, which I found by googling for appropriate terms: http://www.ssi-media.com/pigbrother/Dokgas.htm)

]]> By: rtb61 http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1279418 rtb61 Thu, 24 Nov 2011 09:43:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1279418 Lets also look a purity. The quality controls used to ensure product purity for a something that is intended to be sprayed into peoples eyes. Consider that eyes are in a loose socket attached via muscles to the skull and via a nerve directly to the brain. What level of control is used to ensure no toxic contaminants and no infectious organisms, in what is basically a medical application designed to torture the recipient and force submission via the extended application of extreme pain. What kind of society condones these kinds of weapons to be used upon their own population. What is the constitutional basis for their use, without the person being charged with a crime, without arrest and, without any form of due process. How in any way does using this product differ from say a public whipping, a punishment abolished decades ago by a less cowardly generation that forced it's removal. Is it not the very definition of cruel and unusual punishment? Lets also look a purity. The quality controls used to ensure product purity for a something that is intended to be sprayed into peoples eyes. Consider that eyes are in a loose socket attached via muscles to the skull and via a nerve directly to the brain.
What level of control is used to ensure no toxic contaminants and no infectious organisms, in what is basically a medical application designed to torture the recipient and force submission via the extended application of extreme pain.
What kind of society condones these kinds of weapons to be used upon their own population.
What is the constitutional basis for their use, without the person being charged with a crime, without arrest and, without any form of due process.
How in any way does using this product differ from say a public whipping, a punishment abolished decades ago by a less cowardly generation that forced it’s removal.
Is it not the very definition of cruel and unusual punishment?

]]> By: professor http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1279416 professor Thu, 24 Nov 2011 09:38:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1279416 I'm thinking Grilled Pike with Pepper Sauce... I’m thinking Grilled Pike with Pepper Sauce…

]]> By: Michael Smith http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1279406 Michael Smith Thu, 24 Nov 2011 09:01:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1279406 <blockquote>I've heard it's delicious, kids are literally lining up for it. </blockquote>My brother in law, who is Malaysian, invited me to a barbecue run by his church. They had two woks running hot and the aerosol gave me coughing spasms. My bother in law inhaled the mix and said <i>Ah! Pepper spray!</i>.

I’ve heard it’s delicious, kids are literally lining up for it.

My brother in law, who is Malaysian, invited me to a barbecue run by his church. They had two woks running hot and the aerosol gave me coughing spasms. My bother in law inhaled the mix and said Ah! Pepper spray!.

]]> By: DFBM http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1279403 DFBM Thu, 24 Nov 2011 08:59:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1279403 Are there finally any consequences for Mr. Pike rather than being an internet meme and the ugly face of a police state? Are there finally any consequences for Mr. Pike rather than being an internet meme and the ugly face of a police state?

]]> By: Michael Smith http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1279404 Michael Smith Thu, 24 Nov 2011 08:59:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1279404 <blockquote>It looks like Leonardo de Caprio</blockquote>Its a meme where people photoshop pictures of Leonardo de Caprio into famous scenes. More of a reddit thing than a bb thing.

It looks like Leonardo de Caprio

Its a meme where people photoshop pictures of Leonardo de Caprio into famous scenes. More of a reddit thing than a bb thing.

]]> By: bjacques http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1279386 bjacques Thu, 24 Nov 2011 08:08:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1279386 An Egyptian friend told me that, on the tear-gas front, the cops have not been catching up. The February uprising caught them flat-footed, and most of their gas had gone stale, or had even expired. Since then, they've stocked up on newer, stronger stuff from the US and Israel. Somewhat effective countermeasures include masks with layers of activated charcoal and a 5% solution of baker's yeast. An Egyptian friend told me that, on the tear-gas front, the cops have not been catching up. The February uprising caught them flat-footed, and most of their gas had gone stale, or had even expired. Since then, they’ve stocked up on newer, stronger stuff from the US and Israel.

Somewhat effective countermeasures include masks with layers of activated charcoal and a 5% solution of baker’s yeast.

]]> By: kjh http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1279380 kjh Thu, 24 Nov 2011 07:42:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1279380 As in: he used <b><i>"Chemical weapons" that are banned for use in war under the Geneva Convention</i></b>, on his own people! As in: he used “Chemical weapons” that are banned for use in war under the Geneva Convention, on his own people!

]]> By: Michael Hasse http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1279364 Michael Hasse Thu, 24 Nov 2011 06:57:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1279364 I wonder if a decent coat of vaseline would protect at least the skin against most of the chemicals in use at the moment?  And wouldn't good old baking soda be a functional antacid?  A lot cheaper than Maalox anyway.  Could have some of those hand-pumped garden pressure sprayers with a baking soda slurry and just hose down the whole crowd right afterwards.  Of course I barely squeaked through high-school chemistry, so I could be way off base here - "is there a chemist in the house?" I wonder if a decent coat of vaseline would protect at least the skin against most of the chemicals in use at the moment?  And wouldn’t good old baking soda be a functional antacid?  A lot cheaper than Maalox anyway.  Could have some of those hand-pumped garden pressure sprayers with a baking soda slurry and just hose down the whole crowd right afterwards.  Of course I barely squeaked through high-school chemistry, so I could be way off base here – “is there a chemist in the house?”

]]> By: Guest http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1279362 Guest Thu, 24 Nov 2011 06:53:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1279362  perhaps we just need to refer to these as weapons, since only one side has them I think it's nitpicking to go beyond that.  perhaps we just need to refer to these as weapons, since only one side has them I think it’s nitpicking to go beyond that.

]]> By: Jay Kusnetz http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1279353 Jay Kusnetz Thu, 24 Nov 2011 06:26:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1279353 Perhaps we need to refer to these weapons not as "non-lethal" nor as "less lethal" but as occasionally lethal or potentially lethal or "we really hope this time it won't be lethal" Perhaps we need to refer to these weapons not as “non-lethal” nor as “less lethal” but as occasionally lethal or potentially lethal or “we really hope this time it won’t be lethal”

]]> By: Jim Saul http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1279345 Jim Saul Thu, 24 Nov 2011 06:07:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1279345 The image is from <i>Inception</i>, and the meme is kind of a descendant of the "haters-gonna-hate" happy strutting animation. http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/strutting-leo-leo-strut edit - rather, from an on-set photo, not a screen cap from the movie, it seems. No wonder I never could recall a scene that fit in the tone of. The image is from Inception, and the meme is kind of a descendant of the “haters-gonna-hate” happy strutting animation.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/strutting-leo-leo-strut

edit – rather, from an on-set photo, not a screen cap from the movie, it seems. No wonder I never could recall a scene that fit in the tone of.

]]> By: Guest http://boingboing.net/2011/11/23/what-the-evidence-says-about-p.html#comment-1279335 Guest Thu, 24 Nov 2011 05:48:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=131386#comment-1279335 I've heard it's delicious, kids are literally lining up for it.  I’ve heard it’s delicious, kids are literally lining up for it. 

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