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	<title>Comments on: Egypt police detain, beat, sexually assault US-based journalist Mona Eltahawy; other journalists also&#160;targeted</title>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/24/egypt-police-detain-beat-sex.html#comment-1281544</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Is that crazy?  That I&#039;d expect my government not to assault &amp; rape people?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yes, if you&#039;re beating the war drum or even just idly tapping it then that is crazy.  Rape is part of war and it always has been.  If you don&#039;t want American soldiers to sexually assault or rape anyone then oppose war.  It really is that simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Is that crazy?  That I&#8217;d expect my government not to assault &amp; rape people?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, if you&#8217;re beating the war drum or even just idly tapping it then that is crazy.  Rape is part of war and it always has been.  If you don&#8217;t want American soldiers to sexually assault or rape anyone then oppose war.  It really is that simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Mordicai</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/24/egypt-police-detain-beat-sex.html#comment-1280324</link>
		<dc:creator>Mordicai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 01:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bringing up a laundry list of unpopular wars-- or what, military actions, whatever-- sort of strains credibility.  No?  We didn&#039;t go to Iraq because they sexually assaulted US citizens, we went there-- well, on the face of it because of false information about massive military weapons, &amp; the invocation of the preventive war policy.  &amp; Afghanistan was-- is-- an attempt to root our Al Qaeda-- which is a big policy difference I have with the Bush wars as well, holding nations fully responsible for criminal elements within them.  That, &amp;, you know, I&#039;ve got a bone to pick with the modern use of bombs...which are weapons to go along with &quot;total war&quot; &amp; certainly no way to help a nation out...

So yeah, I guess what I&#039;m saying is that those aren&#039;t good parallels at all?  I&#039;d point at the North Korean kidnapping of journalists as a better example.  Diplomacy won the day &amp; hooray for Bill Clinton &amp; all that jazz, but these are the official state forces acting in their official capacity against US citizens. So yeah.  It gets my hackles up.

&amp; for the record, yeah, I think there should be condemnation for US authorities engaging in criminal practices against foreign citizens, too.  Is that crazy?  That I&#039;d expect my government not to assault &amp; rape people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bringing up a laundry list of unpopular wars&#8211; or what, military actions, whatever&#8211; sort of strains credibility.  No?  We didn&#8217;t go to Iraq because they sexually assaulted US citizens, we went there&#8211; well, on the face of it because of false information about massive military weapons, &amp; the invocation of the preventive war policy.  &amp; Afghanistan was&#8211; is&#8211; an attempt to root our Al Qaeda&#8211; which is a big policy difference I have with the Bush wars as well, holding nations fully responsible for criminal elements within them.  That, &amp;, you know, I&#8217;ve got a bone to pick with the modern use of bombs&#8230;which are weapons to go along with &#8220;total war&#8221; &amp; certainly no way to help a nation out&#8230;</p>
<p>So yeah, I guess what I&#8217;m saying is that those aren&#8217;t good parallels at all?  I&#8217;d point at the North Korean kidnapping of journalists as a better example.  Diplomacy won the day &amp; hooray for Bill Clinton &amp; all that jazz, but these are the official state forces acting in their official capacity against US citizens. So yeah.  It gets my hackles up.</p>
<p>&amp; for the record, yeah, I think there should be condemnation for US authorities engaging in criminal practices against foreign citizens, too.  Is that crazy?  That I&#8217;d expect my government not to assault &amp; rape people?</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/24/egypt-police-detain-beat-sex.html#comment-1280210</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 21:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You utterly fail to understand the concept of what a principle is.  It is something that can be applied to every situation.  You evaluate situations on a case by case basis by &lt;i&gt;applying your fundamental principles to them&lt;/i&gt;.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You utterly fail to understand the concept of what a principle is.  It is something that can be applied to every situation.  You evaluate situations on a case by case basis by <i>applying your fundamental principles to them</i>.  </p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 21:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you support the war in Afghanistan?  And the war in Iraq?  And the one that we&#039;re pondering in Iran?  How many countries have detained or abused US citizens without reasonable cause?  Because that principle would require us to invade dozens of countries. And of course, since we routinely abuse people who are coming from other countries to the US, we would be subject to annihilation by the rest of the world.

So, yeah, that would be a pretty horrible principle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you support the war in Afghanistan?  And the war in Iraq?  And the one that we&#8217;re pondering in Iran?  How many countries have detained or abused US citizens without reasonable cause?  Because that principle would require us to invade dozens of countries. And of course, since we routinely abuse people who are coming from other countries to the US, we would be subject to annihilation by the rest of the world.</p>
<p>So, yeah, that would be a pretty horrible principle.</p>
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		<title>By: helleman</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/24/egypt-police-detain-beat-sex.html#comment-1280076</link>
		<dc:creator>helleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 17:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Principles are what seperate us from the lower brain folks who still rely on their reptillian brains.   Emotions &amp; brain chemicals that trigger fight or flight reations need to be donminated for good decision making by the rational brain.    Without principles, emtions will always win.   [9/11 response, etc]   Working on developing what your principles are (under what situations is it morally correct for me to kill, etc) will help guide you if and when the siutation ever occurs.   That&#039;s why I like reading stories about non-voiolent responses to situations, so I can learn and be prepared.   Otherwise, kill the fuckers is usually our emotive response to every threat situation, which, in the endgame, leaves a hell of a lot more bodies compared to more rational alternatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Principles are what seperate us from the lower brain folks who still rely on their reptillian brains.   Emotions &amp; brain chemicals that trigger fight or flight reations need to be donminated for good decision making by the rational brain.    Without principles, emtions will always win.   [9/11 response, etc]   Working on developing what your principles are (under what situations is it morally correct for me to kill, etc) will help guide you if and when the siutation ever occurs.   That&#8217;s why I like reading stories about non-voiolent responses to situations, so I can learn and be prepared.   Otherwise, kill the fuckers is usually our emotive response to every threat situation, which, in the endgame, leaves a hell of a lot more bodies compared to more rational alternatives.</p>
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		<title>By: Muser</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/24/egypt-police-detain-beat-sex.html#comment-1280070</link>
		<dc:creator>Muser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 16:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blind adherence to a principle is the same as &quot;zero-tolerance&quot; laws.   Principles are very important--that&#039;s why we call them principles.  But principles also come into conflict with each other.  As Goedel showed, there is no completely self-consistent set of principles possible.  It is perfectly reasonable and desirable to evaluate circumstances on a case by case basis, to prioritize principles and to come to a reasonable compromise among them.  I would expect nothing less from a thoughtful person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blind adherence to a principle is the same as &#8220;zero-tolerance&#8221; laws.   Principles are very important&#8211;that&#8217;s why we call them principles.  But principles also come into conflict with each other.  As Goedel showed, there is no completely self-consistent set of principles possible.  It is perfectly reasonable and desirable to evaluate circumstances on a case by case basis, to prioritize principles and to come to a reasonable compromise among them.  I would expect nothing less from a thoughtful person.</p>
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		<title>By: Mordicai</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/24/egypt-police-detain-beat-sex.html#comment-1280014</link>
		<dc:creator>Mordicai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...my principals don&#039;t exclude the use of force to vouchsafe American citizens?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;my principals don&#8217;t exclude the use of force to vouchsafe American citizens?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Gates</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/24/egypt-police-detain-beat-sex.html#comment-1279941</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Gates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 09:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You don&#039;t really find out what your real principles are until you&#039;re furious and want revenge.&lt;/i&gt;

Most people don&#039;t run on principles, nor should they. Results are what matter. The question is what result you&#039;re interested in (personally, I don&#039;t have much interest in this, but &quot;nobody gets beaten up or sexually assaulted by Egyptian cops, and ESPECIALLY not Americans&quot; seems reasonable), and what action will most effectively lead to that result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You don&#8217;t really find out what your real principles are until you&#8217;re furious and want revenge.</i></p>
<p>Most people don&#8217;t run on principles, nor should they. Results are what matter. The question is what result you&#8217;re interested in (personally, I don&#8217;t have much interest in this, but &#8220;nobody gets beaten up or sexually assaulted by Egyptian cops, and ESPECIALLY not Americans&#8221; seems reasonable), and what action will most effectively lead to that result.</p>
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		<title>By: Genre Slur</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/24/egypt-police-detain-beat-sex.html#comment-1279910</link>
		<dc:creator>Genre Slur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 06:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot read Tara&#039;s comments. I am assuming they were removed...</description>
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		<title>By: Richard Lord</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/24/egypt-police-detain-beat-sex.html#comment-1279867</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Lord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 03:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Journalists arrested by Bloomberg&#039;s militarily junta were held longer I believe. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Journalists arrested by Bloomberg&#8217;s militarily junta were held longer I believe. </p>
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		<title>By: cnawan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/24/egypt-police-detain-beat-sex.html#comment-1279838</link>
		<dc:creator>cnawan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 01:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ahimsa&#039;d</description>
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		<title>By: Bob N Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob N Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 00:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ant, you are so right, this is the real reason for laws among civilized, rational peoples. Under duress, our moral character is revealed. 

Dysfunctional people are going to do whatever they desire, without regard for the law. The law&#039;s real purpose, or what the law&#039;s real purpose should be, is to act as a deterrent to those who are still in control of their faculties, but are debating just what their response should be to adverse events. 

I tend to view all those who break the simple law of *leave others the fuck alone*, as emotionally disabled. In other words I don&#039;t buy the excuse, &quot;I was drunk.&quot;

The law used in any other way is tyranny, plain and simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ant, you are so right, this is the real reason for laws among civilized, rational peoples. Under duress, our moral character is revealed. </p>
<p>Dysfunctional people are going to do whatever they desire, without regard for the law. The law&#8217;s real purpose, or what the law&#8217;s real purpose should be, is to act as a deterrent to those who are still in control of their faculties, but are debating just what their response should be to adverse events. </p>
<p>I tend to view all those who break the simple law of *leave others the fuck alone*, as emotionally disabled. In other words I don&#8217;t buy the excuse, &#8220;I was drunk.&#8221;</p>
<p>The law used in any other way is tyranny, plain and simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Bartacus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bartacus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 23:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May she persevere until every one of those Egyptian Police cowards is swinging from his neck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May she persevere until every one of those Egyptian Police cowards is swinging from his neck.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/24/egypt-police-detain-beat-sex.html#comment-1279817</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 23:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as I abhor what happened to her (and many others), talking about deposing the Egyptian government is a bad idea.  &lt;i&gt;I&#039;m opposed to US military intervention!!!  Except when I&#039;m really pissed off about something!!!&lt;/i&gt;

You don&#039;t really find out what your real principles are until you&#039;re furious and want revenge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I abhor what happened to her (and many others), talking about deposing the Egyptian government is a bad idea.  <i>I&#8217;m opposed to US military intervention!!!  Except when I&#8217;m really pissed off about something!!!</i></p>
<p>You don&#8217;t really find out what your real principles are until you&#8217;re furious and want revenge.</p>
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		<title>By: tré</title>
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		<dc:creator>tré</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 22:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me hir principles may include &quot;the US has a responsibility to its own citizens above all else.&quot; </description>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/24/egypt-police-detain-beat-sex.html#comment-1279759</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;See, THIS is when I get hawkish.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
If you lose your principles under duress, you never had any to start with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>See, THIS is when I get hawkish.</p></blockquote>
<p>If you lose your principles under duress, you never had any to start with.</p>
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		<title>By: Taran Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taran Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!-- Reuters is independent, but it does aggregate feeds from the other sources and vice versa.  I consider their autonomy spurious, at best.  @Dr_Wadd:disqus   I don&#039;t consider any mainstream outlets as good information, especially in an age one can almost always access first person reporting.  

We are in disagreement that the average American is not responsible.  I consider that view of the many billions of dollars we gave Mubarak somewhat myopic. --&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- Reuters is independent, but it does aggregate feeds from the other sources and vice versa.  I consider their autonomy spurious, at best.  @Dr_Wadd:disqus   I don't consider any mainstream outlets as good information, especially in an age one can almost always access first person reporting.  </p>
<p>We are in disagreement that the average American is not responsible.  I consider that view of the many billions of dollars we gave Mubarak somewhat myopic. --></p>
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		<title>By: EH</title>
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		<dc:creator>EH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NYT, IHT, WaPo and Reuters all have the same owner?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NYT, IHT, WaPo and Reuters all have the same owner?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr_Wadd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr_Wadd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re clouding the issue with spurious arguments. Eltahawy as individual is not responsible for propping up the Egyptian regime, the vast majority of Americans are not responsible for propping up the Egyptian regime. She, as an individual, should not be punished for the collective responsibility of the American government. There are aspects of the USA that I deeply dislike (and for balance, there are aspects of the UK that I deeply dislike too), but that does not cause me to feel an malice towards individual citizens, with a few exceptions like Bush Jr, Cheney and the gang.

I was not aware that those publications all have the same owner, although my admittedly brief research doesn&#039;t actually support that assertion in its entirety. But again, that&#039;s clouding the issue, and has at its heart media plurality and ownership. What, in your opinion, is a publication that is not to be considered proganda? I ask that question quite genuinely, as I appreciate that different people have varying opinions regarding different news sources. For example, I would consider the BBC to be a reliable source, The Daily Mail rather less so, so I&#039;d like to know what sources you hold in high regard.

The UK did sell arms and munitions to the Yugoslavian regime, it may not have been aid as such, but we certainly provided the authorities with means to assist in the atrocities committed there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re clouding the issue with spurious arguments. Eltahawy as individual is not responsible for propping up the Egyptian regime, the vast majority of Americans are not responsible for propping up the Egyptian regime. She, as an individual, should not be punished for the collective responsibility of the American government. There are aspects of the USA that I deeply dislike (and for balance, there are aspects of the UK that I deeply dislike too), but that does not cause me to feel an malice towards individual citizens, with a few exceptions like Bush Jr, Cheney and the gang.</p>
<p>I was not aware that those publications all have the same owner, although my admittedly brief research doesn&#8217;t actually support that assertion in its entirety. But again, that&#8217;s clouding the issue, and has at its heart media plurality and ownership. What, in your opinion, is a publication that is not to be considered proganda? I ask that question quite genuinely, as I appreciate that different people have varying opinions regarding different news sources. For example, I would consider the BBC to be a reliable source, The Daily Mail rather less so, so I&#8217;d like to know what sources you hold in high regard.</p>
<p>The UK did sell arms and munitions to the Yugoslavian regime, it may not have been aid as such, but we certainly provided the authorities with means to assist in the atrocities committed there.</p>
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		<title>By: Taran Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taran Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!-- How many billions of dollars did the UK give to Yugoslavia/Bosnia before the outbreak of violence there?  Zero.  Different case entirely.  This whole thing was created by the US.  As to the other argument about hipster journalists, I don&#039;t consider any of those publications more than propaganda... I am not sure if you are aware they are all the same publication (same owner)?

We are in complete agreement that average citizen in Egypt would find this abhorrent.  However, I consider the Egyptian authorities Egyptians too, and their their desire to reform just as relevant as the democracy the citizens are trying to construct.  I think they have a tough job, and when someone is throwing a molotov cocktail or a rock the size of my head at me, I am going to kick their ass. --&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- How many billions of dollars did the UK give to Yugoslavia/Bosnia before the outbreak of violence there?  Zero.  Different case entirely.  This whole thing was created by the US.  As to the other argument about hipster journalists, I don't consider any of those publications more than propaganda... I am not sure if you are aware they are all the same publication (same owner)?</p>
<p>We are in complete agreement that average citizen in Egypt would find this abhorrent.  However, I consider the Egyptian authorities Egyptians too, and their their desire to reform just as relevant as the democracy the citizens are trying to construct.  I think they have a tough job, and when someone is throwing a molotov cocktail or a rock the size of my head at me, I am going to kick their ass. --></p>
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		<title>By: occupyordie</title>
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		<dc:creator>occupyordie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and its this simplistic and reductionist kind of analysis that makes me glad that you&#039;re nothing more than in impotent internet troll.  troll on, trollololl on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and its this simplistic and reductionist kind of analysis that makes me glad that you&#8217;re nothing more than in impotent internet troll.  troll on, trollololl on.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr_Wadd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr_Wadd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By definition, you aren&#039;t coming down on the side of the Egyptians, you&#039;re coming down with the Egyptian authorities, there&#039;s a big difference there. Egyptian citizens are subjected to the same abhorent treatment, if I were a betting man I would wager that the average citizen is equally appalled whether this happens to someone with full Egyptian citizenship or someone who wields dual-citizenship.

I&#039;m curious as to what your definition of a &quot;hipster journalist&quot; is? Leaving aside the implicit criticism in your turn of phrase, a quick check of Wikipedia (ok, not necessarily always the most authorative source) shows that Eltahawy was a correspondent for Reuters for many years, and has written for the Washington Post, New York Times, and International Herald Tribune. That would hardly seem to fulfil any definition of &quot;hipster journalist&quot;, at least how I would see that term being applied.

I&#039;m also curious as to how far you would extend your arguments. For example, would you argue that a reporter in a war zone deserves to be shot or injured were that to happen. The BBC correspondent Martin Bell was injured by shrapnel while working in Bosnia. He went in to a war zone knowing it was dangerous, but there&#039;s no way you could argue that he deserved that injury, and I see absolutely no difference in this instance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By definition, you aren&#8217;t coming down on the side of the Egyptians, you&#8217;re coming down with the Egyptian authorities, there&#8217;s a big difference there. Egyptian citizens are subjected to the same abhorent treatment, if I were a betting man I would wager that the average citizen is equally appalled whether this happens to someone with full Egyptian citizenship or someone who wields dual-citizenship.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious as to what your definition of a &#8220;hipster journalist&#8221; is? Leaving aside the implicit criticism in your turn of phrase, a quick check of Wikipedia (ok, not necessarily always the most authorative source) shows that Eltahawy was a correspondent for Reuters for many years, and has written for the Washington Post, New York Times, and International Herald Tribune. That would hardly seem to fulfil any definition of &#8220;hipster journalist&#8221;, at least how I would see that term being applied.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also curious as to how far you would extend your arguments. For example, would you argue that a reporter in a war zone deserves to be shot or injured were that to happen. The BBC correspondent Martin Bell was injured by shrapnel while working in Bosnia. He went in to a war zone knowing it was dangerous, but there&#8217;s no way you could argue that he deserved that injury, and I see absolutely no difference in this instance.</p>
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		<title>By: Taran Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taran Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--If they had so much in common with the people of Egypt, and their cause, they would be living there and they would have left their American citizenship out of it.  These people have as much in common with the average Egyptian &quot;joe&quot; as the pimple on my ass.  Quite frankly, they are hipster journalists who are painting the security forces of Egypt as an anarchic mob, which they are not.   More importantly, who do you think trained the Egyptian army, propped up Mubarak, gave them billions of dollars, and sold them all of our weapons?  I, an American taxpayer, did.  If I was an Egyptian out on the streets of Cairo, I would consider it my right to kill any American where he/she stood. --&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--If they had so much in common with the people of Egypt, and their cause, they would be living there and they would have left their American citizenship out of it.  These people have as much in common with the average Egyptian "joe" as the pimple on my ass.  Quite frankly, they are hipster journalists who are painting the security forces of Egypt as an anarchic mob, which they are not.   More importantly, who do you think trained the Egyptian army, propped up Mubarak, gave them billions of dollars, and sold them all of our weapons?  I, an American taxpayer, did.  If I was an Egyptian out on the streets of Cairo, I would consider it my right to kill any American where he/she stood. --></p>
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		<title>By: riorico</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/24/egypt-police-detain-beat-sex.html#comment-1279698</link>
		<dc:creator>riorico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now is maybe the time to cut USA financial &#039;aid&#039; to Egypt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now is maybe the time to cut USA financial &#8216;aid&#8217; to Egypt.</p>
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		<title>By: L_Mariachi</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/24/egypt-police-detain-beat-sex.html#comment-1279686</link>
		<dc:creator>L_Mariachi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid you are the one who is confused. Maybe it is an obvious risk, but &quot;should expect to get beaten&quot; is not the same as &quot;deserve to get beaten.&quot;  

Furthermore, you have an antonymic definition of &quot;coward&quot; if it includes people who voluntarily put themselves in harm&#039;s way for a greater cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid you are the one who is confused. Maybe it is an obvious risk, but &#8220;should expect to get beaten&#8221; is not the same as &#8220;deserve to get beaten.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Furthermore, you have an antonymic definition of &#8220;coward&#8221; if it includes people who voluntarily put themselves in harm&#8217;s way for a greater cause.</p>
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		<title>By: daniel lake</title>
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		<dc:creator>daniel lake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where is the Punisher when you need him?</description>
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		<title>By: Taran Morgan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/24/egypt-police-detain-beat-sex.html#comment-1279672</link>
		<dc:creator>Taran Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!-- I&#039;m sorry, but I have to come down on the side of the jyppos on this one.  I am a  former press member, and you deserve to get beat if you venture out into the fray in Egypt.  It is not safe there, and this isn&#039;t some social media revolution like OWS, this is a real revolution... don&#039;t confuse the two.  These dual citizens go out and hide behind their American citizenship when they get arrested, they are cowards who think the whole world is their &quot;blogosphere&quot;.  They are the ones who are causing real harm to the people of Egypt. --&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- I'm sorry, but I have to come down on the side of the jyppos on this one.  I am a  former press member, and you deserve to get beat if you venture out into the fray in Egypt.  It is not safe there, and this isn't some social media revolution like OWS, this is a real revolution... don't confuse the two.  These dual citizens go out and hide behind their American citizenship when they get arrested, they are cowards who think the whole world is their "blogosphere".  They are the ones who are causing real harm to the people of Egypt. --></p>
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		<title>By: EH</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/24/egypt-police-detain-beat-sex.html#comment-1279657</link>
		<dc:creator>EH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sexual assault is one of the most ancient warfighting techniques.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sexual assault is one of the most ancient warfighting techniques.</p>
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		<title>By: waksawak</title>
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		<dc:creator>waksawak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so glad she is out.  &quot;Just you fuckers wait&quot; is my new favorite motto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad she is out.  &#8221;Just you fuckers wait&#8221; is my new favorite motto.</p>
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		<title>By: Halloween_Jack</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/11/24/egypt-police-detain-beat-sex.html#comment-1279629</link>
		<dc:creator>Halloween_Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sing it with me: Meet the new boss...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sing it with me: Meet the new boss&#8230;</p>
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