Comments on: The language of the 99 Percent http://boingboing.net/2011/12/01/the-language-of-the-99-percent.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Sat, 25 May 2013 19:39:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: FutureNerd http://boingboing.net/2011/12/01/the-language-of-the-99-percent.html#comment-1286772 FutureNerd Sun, 04 Dec 2011 06:27:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=132444#comment-1286772 Majorities RULE! Majorities RULE!

]]> By: Jellodyne http://boingboing.net/2011/12/01/the-language-of-the-99-percent.html#comment-1285778 Jellodyne Fri, 02 Dec 2011 20:03:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=132444#comment-1285778 You do not need to _begrudge_ anyone. People are not out to punish or steal from the "bad rich", the point is that the system is out of whack in favor of those with high income, on account of those who do use their wealth manipulate the government, and it needs to be put right.  We need expect them to pay their fair share in the infrastructure, law and order, military protection, etc which make the US the best place in the world to be rich, and to support the same education, health, criminal justice and market infrastructures which likely allowed them to become rich in the first place so that even more people can become wealthy. You do not need to _begrudge_ anyone. People are not out to punish or steal from the “bad rich”, the point is that the system is out of whack in favor of those with high income, on account of those who do use their wealth manipulate the government, and it needs to be put right.  We need expect them to pay their fair share in the infrastructure, law and order, military protection, etc which make the US the best place in the world to be rich, and to support the same education, health, criminal justice and market infrastructures which likely allowed them to become rich in the first place so that even more people can become wealthy.

]]> By: sarah shevett http://boingboing.net/2011/12/01/the-language-of-the-99-percent.html#comment-1285597 sarah shevett Fri, 02 Dec 2011 17:36:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=132444#comment-1285597 Nothing is happening. The weather got bad and priorities took over. It wasn't much to begin with so you can rest easily now.  The "rest" of the 80% are still getting up and going to work and taking care of business. Pay no attention to those children in their tents. 91% of Americans are working, 5% are unemployable.  Move along. Nothing is happening. The weather got bad and priorities took over. It wasn’t much to begin with so you can rest easily now.  The “rest” of the 80% are still getting up and going to work and taking care of business. Pay no attention to those children in their tents.
91% of Americans are working, 5% are unemployable.  Move along.

]]> By: llazy8 http://boingboing.net/2011/12/01/the-language-of-the-99-percent.html#comment-1285430 llazy8 Fri, 02 Dec 2011 12:19:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=132444#comment-1285430 Thanks.  Though from a political perspective, I'm not sure I agree.  I think 'out of sight, out of mind' will take effect shortly.  Plus, the rest of the 99% who aren't protesting are watching and now see that we lost.  "They" got us to shut up and go home.  Didn't I read that a NYC judge ruled the eviction illegal? As for DC, I meant all the evicted protesters going to DC, then, not if they have a camp there.  Please tell me that people are following up with this fight.   Thanks.  Though from a political perspective, I’m not sure I agree.  I think ‘out of sight, out of mind’ will take effect shortly.  Plus, the rest of the 99% who aren’t protesting are watching and now see that we lost.  ”They” got us to shut up and go home.  Didn’t I read that a NYC judge ruled the eviction illegal? As for DC, I meant all the evicted protesters going to DC, then, not if they have a camp there.  Please tell me that people are following up with this fight.  

]]> By: faceword http://boingboing.net/2011/12/01/the-language-of-the-99-percent.html#comment-1284962 faceword Thu, 01 Dec 2011 21:21:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=132444#comment-1284962 The slogan is catchy, but I'm not sure I understand who the top 1% are.   Are we looking at wealth? income? adjusted gross income? household income? household wealth? The top 1% that have access to the levers of government?  The top 1% in ability to have their voice heard? I imagine the four Editors of BoingBoing qualify as the top 1% on several of the metrics (based on the value of an ownership stake in BoingBiong and other ventures). Judging by their posts, it is interesting to see that their sympathies do not line up with those of their fellow one percent-ers. Personally, I do not generally begrudge those who have made their fortune through dint of hardwork, skill or even good fortune. What disgust me are those 1%ers that   manipulate the government to adjust the rules in their favor after they fail (as the banks have done with respect to the bailout).   Makes one wonder if we should be protesting the government rather than the bankers. The slogan is catchy, but I’m not sure I understand who the top 1% are.   Are we looking at wealth? income? adjusted gross income? household income? household wealth? The top 1% that have access to the levers of government?  The top 1% in ability to have their voice heard?

I imagine the four Editors of BoingBoing qualify as the top 1% on several of the metrics (based on the value of an ownership stake in BoingBiong and other ventures). Judging by their posts, it is interesting to see that their sympathies do not line up with those of their fellow one percent-ers.

Personally, I do not generally begrudge those who have made their fortune through dint of hardwork, skill or even good fortune. What disgust me are those 1%ers that   manipulate the government to adjust the rules in their favor after they fail (as the banks have done with respect to the bailout).   Makes one wonder if we should be protesting the government rather than the bankers.

]]> By: Creesto4 Lynch http://boingboing.net/2011/12/01/the-language-of-the-99-percent.html#comment-1284952 Creesto4 Lynch Thu, 01 Dec 2011 21:16:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=132444#comment-1284952 It is interesting to note that dear Newtie was the Speaker when the first major cut on the Capital Gains tax occured, which started the ball rolling for Investment Income Tax Avoidance/Prevention, in a big way. The legacy can be seen in all the CEO's who like to brag about their $1/year salaries, when they receive millions on stock options that, when exercised, are now only taxable at 15% rather than the 30-35% us Wage Slaves pay. Slick deal. Now if the GOP could indeed get the Estate Tax removed, then all those Investment Banker/Major Co. CEO's could lock up their family dynasty fortunes for decades to come! $$$ Uber Alles! It is interesting to note that dear Newtie was the Speaker when the first major cut on the Capital Gains tax occured, which started the ball rolling for Investment Income Tax Avoidance/Prevention, in a big way. The legacy can be seen in all the CEO’s who like to brag about their $1/year salaries, when they receive millions on stock options that, when exercised, are now only taxable at 15% rather than the 30-35% us Wage Slaves pay. Slick deal. Now if the GOP could indeed get the Estate Tax removed, then all those Investment Banker/Major Co. CEO’s could lock up their family dynasty fortunes for decades to come!
$$$ Uber Alles!

]]> By: Bearpaw01 http://boingboing.net/2011/12/01/the-language-of-the-99-percent.html#comment-1284895 Bearpaw01 Thu, 01 Dec 2011 20:15:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=132444#comment-1284895 Many of the major encampments have been evicted, but you can't evict an idea. Occupiers are still very active even in those areas. As far as DC is concerned, there's been an Occupy DC in place since not very long after Occupy Wall Street started, and the National Park Service has been pretty cooperative ... so far. Many of the major encampments have been evicted, but you can’t evict an idea. Occupiers are still very active even in those areas.

As far as DC is concerned, there’s been an Occupy DC in place since not very long after Occupy Wall Street started, and the National Park Service has been pretty cooperative … so far.

]]> By: jimh http://boingboing.net/2011/12/01/the-language-of-the-99-percent.html#comment-1284863 jimh Thu, 01 Dec 2011 19:50:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=132444#comment-1284863 Sorry, but that reads like a Dr. Bronner's bottle. Sorry, but that reads like a Dr. Bronner’s bottle.

]]> By: llazy8 http://boingboing.net/2011/12/01/the-language-of-the-99-percent.html#comment-1284734 llazy8 Thu, 01 Dec 2011 18:31:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=132444#comment-1284734 Did I just read a post-mortem of the Occupy Movement? Um, this is going to sound stupid, but I live in South America and even though I read BB every day, and followed and re-posted about the police brutality, I didn't know ALL the major places (except Boston?) were emptied out.  WTF? Did everyone just go home? Did they (hopefully) go straight to DC and start Occupying there?  Someone please tell me what's happening up there.   Did I just read a post-mortem of the Occupy Movement? Um, this is going to sound stupid, but I live in South America and even though I read BB every day, and followed and re-posted about the police brutality, I didn’t know ALL the major places (except Boston?) were emptied out.  WTF? Did everyone just go home? Did they (hopefully) go straight to DC and start Occupying there?  Someone please tell me what’s happening up there.  

]]> By: Jellodyne http://boingboing.net/2011/12/01/the-language-of-the-99-percent.html#comment-1284696 Jellodyne Thu, 01 Dec 2011 18:06:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=132444#comment-1284696 Actually, 'Taking back America' could be the next OWS rallying cry. As in taking it back from the 1%. Actually, ‘Taking back America’ could be the next OWS rallying cry. As in taking it back from the 1%.

]]> By: Dave Jenkins http://boingboing.net/2011/12/01/the-language-of-the-99-percent.html#comment-1284648 Dave Jenkins Thu, 01 Dec 2011 17:22:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=132444#comment-1284648 More broadly, in a country where Free Speech is protected and listed first among all rights of the citizens, how could any idea really be labelled "un-American"?  Even the phrase "America Sucks!" will invoke a response in the listener to ask for clarification "I agree, but which part are you talking about right now?", which would then go on about some part of the State, the police, the stoopids, the culture or something else specifically.  Even then, this isn't "un-American". For a presidential candidate to throw around terms like "un-American", especially from Dr Gingrich the History Professor, is highly suspect.  Either he's pandering to the base (low) conservatives, or he's truly a McCarthyist.   Either way, he won't get my vote. More broadly, in a country where Free Speech is protected and listed first among all rights of the citizens, how could any idea really be labelled “un-American”?  Even the phrase “America Sucks!” will invoke a response in the listener to ask for clarification “I agree, but which part are you talking about right now?”, which would then go on about some part of the State, the police, the stoopids, the culture or something else specifically.  Even then, this isn’t “un-American”.

For a presidential candidate to throw around terms like “un-American”, especially from Dr Gingrich the History Professor, is highly suspect.  Either he’s pandering to the base (low) conservatives, or he’s truly a McCarthyist.   Either way, he won’t get my vote.

]]> By: Incipient Madness http://boingboing.net/2011/12/01/the-language-of-the-99-percent.html#comment-1284643 Incipient Madness Thu, 01 Dec 2011 17:21:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=132444#comment-1284643 I think this article means we're winning.  I think this article means we’re winning. 

]]> By: Mari Lwyd http://boingboing.net/2011/12/01/the-language-of-the-99-percent.html#comment-1284631 Mari Lwyd Thu, 01 Dec 2011 17:07:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=132444#comment-1284631 The Human Centipede as dissemination of political power analysis. Interesting. (I haven't seen the movie proper but know of it from South Park) The Human Centipede as dissemination of political power analysis. Interesting. (I haven’t seen the movie proper but know of it from South Park)

]]> By: ChicagoD http://boingboing.net/2011/12/01/the-language-of-the-99-percent.html#comment-1284629 ChicagoD Thu, 01 Dec 2011 17:04:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=132444#comment-1284629 Uh huh. Now THAT'S the kind of 99% language I can be completely confused by. Uh huh. Now THAT’S the kind of 99% language I can be completely confused by.

]]> By: Lobster http://boingboing.net/2011/12/01/the-language-of-the-99-percent.html#comment-1284620 Lobster Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:55:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=132444#comment-1284620 Wasn't there a movie like that recently? Wasn’t there a movie like that recently?

]]> By: Lobster http://boingboing.net/2011/12/01/the-language-of-the-99-percent.html#comment-1284619 Lobster Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:54:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=132444#comment-1284619 Huh.  I thought you were dead, e e cummings. Huh.  I thought you were dead, e e cummings.

]]> By: Lobster http://boingboing.net/2011/12/01/the-language-of-the-99-percent.html#comment-1284618 Lobster Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:53:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=132444#comment-1284618 Y'know, it's funny, Gingrich suddenly thinks the concept of the 99% and the 1% is "divisive" but I haven't heard a lot about how "un-American" it is every time a politician talks about "taking back America."  Taking it back from whom?  Were we invaded while I wasn't looking? Y’know, it’s funny, Gingrich suddenly thinks the concept of the 99% and the 1% is “divisive” but I haven’t heard a lot about how “un-American” it is every time a politician talks about “taking back America.”  Taking it back from whom?  Were we invaded while I wasn’t looking?

]]> By: sufihero http://boingboing.net/2011/12/01/the-language-of-the-99-percent.html#comment-1284612 sufihero Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:42:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=132444#comment-1284612 "occupying or passing into the "lexicon" is a sign of death:"being" exchanged for the dead letter--- remember the difference between langue and parole. Being in, or occupying, the dictionary/lexicon is as non threatening and safe as being in the museum. It's a nice historical anecdote and good for the personal CV or resume, and Ph.D. dissertations, but deadly for a political movement. NYT: past tense smear campaign, sums OWS to continue to sell papers--the nice message without the scary "messengers", like we're "dead". But  ha ha. Here's where it's clear, the mainstream media 1 % gatekeepers know nothing about resurrection, let alone insurrection! Occupy takes back the town square, the public space, accessible to all. Public space is, ironically,  a metaphor for the very notion of the public, the 99%, public participation. We can't let the militarization of America, whether it is through the police or simply the military, stop the movement towards reopening and revitalizing the reality of public space. Different strategies, yes, perhaps, of course, we cannot win over sheer force of law in the form of police, but we cannot lie down in the grave of nostalgia either. This article is toxic! So, let's CARRY ON, we are not GONE! “occupying or passing into the “lexicon” is a sign of death:”being” exchanged for the dead letter— remember the difference between langue and parole. Being in, or occupying, the dictionary/lexicon is as non threatening and safe as being in the museum. It’s a nice historical anecdote and good for the personal CV or resume, and Ph.D. dissertations, but deadly for a political movement. NYT: past tense smear campaign, sums OWS to continue to sell papers–the nice message without the scary “messengers”, like we’re “dead”. But  ha ha. Here’s where it’s clear, the mainstream media 1 % gatekeepers know nothing about resurrection, let alone insurrection! Occupy takes back the town square, the public space, accessible to all. Public space is, ironically,  a metaphor for the very notion of the public, the 99%, public participation. We can’t let the militarization of America, whether it is through the police or simply the military, stop the movement towards reopening and revitalizing the reality of public space. Different strategies, yes, perhaps, of course, we cannot win over sheer force of law in the form of police, but we cannot lie down in the grave of nostalgia either. This article is toxic! So, let’s CARRY ON, we are not GONE!

]]> By: lknope http://boingboing.net/2011/12/01/the-language-of-the-99-percent.html#comment-1284584 lknope Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:18:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=132444#comment-1284584 Note to Newt:  pointing out that something is divisive and un-American doesn't make the person pointing it out divisive and un-American.  That thing still exists even if you pretend it isn't there. Note to Newt:  pointing out that something is divisive and un-American doesn’t make the person pointing it out divisive and un-American.  That thing still exists even if you pretend it isn’t there.

]]> By: Seth Eag http://boingboing.net/2011/12/01/the-language-of-the-99-percent.html#comment-1284579 Seth Eag Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:14:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=132444#comment-1284579 It was nice of you not to pull a grungespeak on them. It was nice of you not to pull a grungespeak on them.

]]> By: Mari Lwyd http://boingboing.net/2011/12/01/the-language-of-the-99-percent.html#comment-1284574 Mari Lwyd Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:06:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=132444#comment-1284574 Newt's right. Our masses ignoring the fetid hills of bullshit about America's supposed classlessness is historically unAmerican. Pointing out that his mouth is directly attached to the steer's rear putting him in the bovine intestinal slush supply chain is probably unAmerican too. Newt’s right. Our masses ignoring the fetid hills of bullshit about America’s supposed classlessness is historically unAmerican.

Pointing out that his mouth is directly attached to the steer’s rear putting him in the bovine intestinal slush supply chain is probably unAmerican too.

]]> By: Michael Polo http://boingboing.net/2011/12/01/the-language-of-the-99-percent.html#comment-1284563 Michael Polo Thu, 01 Dec 2011 15:55:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=132444#comment-1284563 Let the zeitgeist begin.... hopefully. Let the zeitgeist begin…. hopefully.

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