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	<title>Comments on: Did digital photography kill&#160;Kodak?</title>
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		<title>By: Brian Hefele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Hefele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 23:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Current Tri-X might not be old Tri-X, but it&#039;s still (in my opinion) the most amazing film on the market. So forgiving, easily pushed/pulled 2 stops, and with pleasing grain. It&#039;s not my favorite film to shoot, but it is quite magical. I always throw a roll in when I&#039;m Super-Savering on Amazon.

As for Ilford, PanF+ is a beautiful film, even if nothing else they make really captivates me. They&#039;ve been pulling some crazy pricing tricks on HP5+ lately, though (2 for the price of one, 3 for the price of 1.5) which has led to me shooting a considerable amount of it. When, really, I guess I should be supporting Kodak instead…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Current Tri-X might not be old Tri-X, but it&#8217;s still (in my opinion) the most amazing film on the market. So forgiving, easily pushed/pulled 2 stops, and with pleasing grain. It&#8217;s not my favorite film to shoot, but it is quite magical. I always throw a roll in when I&#8217;m Super-Savering on Amazon.</p>
<p>As for Ilford, PanF+ is a beautiful film, even if nothing else they make really captivates me. They&#8217;ve been pulling some crazy pricing tricks on HP5+ lately, though (2 for the price of one, 3 for the price of 1.5) which has led to me shooting a considerable amount of it. When, really, I guess I should be supporting Kodak instead…</p>
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		<title>By: chris hennebery</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris hennebery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 00:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>true enough but it wasn&#039;t their strength, nor was their camera business the money maker. Look back at their ARs and you&#039;ll see that the majority of their revenue and a larger portion on their profit was from film and processing. They spent a lot of money trying to maintain brand dominance in &#039;cameras&#039; instead of looking at what they were good at. Hell, they sold their commercial print division in the late 80&#039;s only to buy it back again (at a huge cost) in 2002(?). Good paper here: http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/oct2011/What-Went-Wrong-At-Eastman-Kodak.pdf. There is also a great white paper that is mandatory reading as part of the Harvard MBA program (Gavetti, G., Henderson, R. and Giorgi, S., Kodak and the Digital Revolution (A), 2005, Harvard Business School)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>true enough but it wasn&#8217;t their strength, nor was their camera business the money maker. Look back at their ARs and you&#8217;ll see that the majority of their revenue and a larger portion on their profit was from film and processing. They spent a lot of money trying to maintain brand dominance in &#8216;cameras&#8217; instead of looking at what they were good at. Hell, they sold their commercial print division in the late 80&#8242;s only to buy it back again (at a huge cost) in 2002(?). Good paper here: <a href="http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/oct2011/What-Went-Wrong-At-Eastman-Kodak.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/oct2011/What-Went-Wrong-At-Eastman-Kodak.pdf</a>. There is also a great white paper that is mandatory reading as part of the Harvard MBA program (Gavetti, G., Henderson, R. and Giorgi, S., Kodak and the Digital Revolution (A), 2005, Harvard Business School)</p>
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		<title>By: Kaleberg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/05/did-digital-photography-kill-k.html#comment-1288405</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaleberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 17:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kodak knew that digital photography was going to hurt their camera business back in the early 90s. They split into EK (Eastman Kodak) and EMN (Eastman Chemical) way back when. The latter, a chemical company is selling around $38 a share and paying dividends. I bought the parent company on rumors of the split. I even figured they had a chance, but wound up making my money on the chemical side and selling the camera/film shares roughly at what I had paid for them.

The former could never get its act together with digital photography. For example, they offered Photo CDs made from your 35mm film reels. This would have been a great transitional technology, but they used an obscure format that no one supported rather than a simple raw format and JPEG which was just coming into popular use. They could have built something like Digital Darkroom, but they were locked into the chemical processing model.

My first digital camera was a Kodak, and it wasn&#039;t bad for its day. It even offered photo sharing online. Again, they were hurt because they didn&#039;t understand the software aspects of the business. Their support software was clunky. It didn&#039;t offer real asset management. My impression was that they made an effort, but it went against the corporate grain. They thought of the camera and accesories as the teaser and the money in film and processing, not the other way around. Like Detroit, it took a long time for them to &quot;get&quot; the new technology. In their case, too long.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kodak knew that digital photography was going to hurt their camera business back in the early 90s. They split into EK (Eastman Kodak) and EMN (Eastman Chemical) way back when. The latter, a chemical company is selling around $38 a share and paying dividends. I bought the parent company on rumors of the split. I even figured they had a chance, but wound up making my money on the chemical side and selling the camera/film shares roughly at what I had paid for them.</p>
<p>The former could never get its act together with digital photography. For example, they offered Photo CDs made from your 35mm film reels. This would have been a great transitional technology, but they used an obscure format that no one supported rather than a simple raw format and JPEG which was just coming into popular use. They could have built something like Digital Darkroom, but they were locked into the chemical processing model.</p>
<p>My first digital camera was a Kodak, and it wasn&#8217;t bad for its day. It even offered photo sharing online. Again, they were hurt because they didn&#8217;t understand the software aspects of the business. Their support software was clunky. It didn&#8217;t offer real asset management. My impression was that they made an effort, but it went against the corporate grain. They thought of the camera and accesories as the teaser and the money in film and processing, not the other way around. Like Detroit, it took a long time for them to &#8220;get&#8221; the new technology. In their case, too long.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Neefe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Neefe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 10:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ofoto killed Kodak... I was all ready to continue my life long Kodak connection when our house went to digital.  The product was over priced and hard to navigate.... and so it goes.  Snapfish and Walmart won.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ofoto killed Kodak&#8230; I was all ready to continue my life long Kodak connection when our house went to digital.  The product was over priced and hard to navigate&#8230;. and so it goes.  Snapfish and Walmart won.</p>
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		<title>By: Dominic von Stösser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dominic von Stösser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 09:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In truth, Tri-X isn&#039;t really like Tri-X anymore... and I&#039;ve never been able to befriend Ilford&#039;s film.

Be that as it may: I concur with the hope that Kodak will at least licence the b&amp;w emulsions. Film/digital pissing contests be damned: I know that digital is &quot;better&quot; for many applications. But I happen to like the craft of working in the darkroom. My prints are hand-made, with love and old equipment. From an artistic point of view, to me the &quot;how&quot; is just as important as the result.

So if someone decided, à la Impossible project, to pick up the recipe for original-strength Tri-X and coats it on film at small scale, yeah, I&#039;ll buy a couple of hundred. In the meantime I&#039;m stockpiling yellow boxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In truth, Tri-X isn&#8217;t really like Tri-X anymore&#8230; and I&#8217;ve never been able to befriend Ilford&#8217;s film.</p>
<p>Be that as it may: I concur with the hope that Kodak will at least licence the b&amp;w emulsions. Film/digital pissing contests be damned: I know that digital is &#8220;better&#8221; for many applications. But I happen to like the craft of working in the darkroom. My prints are hand-made, with love and old equipment. From an artistic point of view, to me the &#8220;how&#8221; is just as important as the result.</p>
<p>So if someone decided, à la Impossible project, to pick up the recipe for original-strength Tri-X and coats it on film at small scale, yeah, I&#8217;ll buy a couple of hundred. In the meantime I&#8217;m stockpiling yellow boxes.</p>
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		<title>By: Dominic von Stösser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dominic von Stösser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 09:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rodinal is easy enough to get. Adox APH09= traditional formula Rodinal. Adox Adonal = 2005 Rodinal. You&#039;re welcome. :)

And D76 is pretty close to Ilford ID-11.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rodinal is easy enough to get. Adox APH09= traditional formula Rodinal. Adox Adonal = 2005 Rodinal. You&#8217;re welcome. :)</p>
<p>And D76 is pretty close to Ilford ID-11.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Petersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 02:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What surprises me is that somehow Kodak film keeps lingering here in Hollywood.  I mean, yeah, plenty of features still shoot on Super 35, but when I was working on &lt;i&gt;Will &amp; Grace&lt;/i&gt; I was surprised that NBC Studios didn&#039;t eventually make us switch to HDCam instead of film.  And now, five years later, I&#039;m &lt;b&gt;still&lt;/b&gt; working on a TV show that shoots on film.  A 64-minute piece of HDCam stock costs us in the neighborhood of fifty bucks, but an hour&#039;s worth of footage on film?  The raw stock costs us $0.58 per foot, the processing is $0.09 per foot, and the telecine is $300 per hour, so putting a 42-minute episode together costs us in the neighborhood of $60,000 in raw film stock, $7,000 in processing, and $20,ooo in telecine.

Some producers and directors still insist on film, even for TV shows, but every year I&#039;m more amazed that the studios let them get away with it in these tight-budgeted times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What surprises me is that somehow Kodak film keeps lingering here in Hollywood.  I mean, yeah, plenty of features still shoot on Super 35, but when I was working on <i>Will &amp; Grace</i> I was surprised that NBC Studios didn&#8217;t eventually make us switch to HDCam instead of film.  And now, five years later, I&#8217;m <b>still</b> working on a TV show that shoots on film.  A 64-minute piece of HDCam stock costs us in the neighborhood of fifty bucks, but an hour&#8217;s worth of footage on film?  The raw stock costs us $0.58 per foot, the processing is $0.09 per foot, and the telecine is $300 per hour, so putting a 42-minute episode together costs us in the neighborhood of $60,000 in raw film stock, $7,000 in processing, and $20,ooo in telecine.</p>
<p>Some producers and directors still insist on film, even for TV shows, but every year I&#8217;m more amazed that the studios let them get away with it in these tight-budgeted times.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Hefele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Hefele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 00:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fuji has been killing off their film line just as Kodak has. We lost Neopan 1600 this year.

Harman has a fairly complete lineup in b/w, but nothing in color. Kodak has some nice recent color film developments (the new Portra line, Ektar, E100), and these could be valuable. Unfortunately Harman has an equivalent for every Kodak b/w product — HP5+ for Tri-X, FP4 for Plus-X, Delta for TMAX, XP2 for 400CN — and then more — the Kentmere films for low-cost b/w, PanF+, SFX… 

Efke/Adox/Maco/Rollei/whatever deal in a small line of fairly niche emulsions. I doubt they could afford license to, or even desire to pick up Kodak film. 

Foma has a small lineup of budget traditional emulsions. Similar situation to Efke/etc…

All a shame, because nothing else available now is quite like Tri-X. I&#039;ll opine similarly once Fuji starts doing worse and Acros is threatened… </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuji has been killing off their film line just as Kodak has. We lost Neopan 1600 this year.</p>
<p>Harman has a fairly complete lineup in b/w, but nothing in color. Kodak has some nice recent color film developments (the new Portra line, Ektar, E100), and these could be valuable. Unfortunately Harman has an equivalent for every Kodak b/w product — HP5+ for Tri-X, FP4 for Plus-X, Delta for TMAX, XP2 for 400CN — and then more — the Kentmere films for low-cost b/w, PanF+, SFX… </p>
<p>Efke/Adox/Maco/Rollei/whatever deal in a small line of fairly niche emulsions. I doubt they could afford license to, or even desire to pick up Kodak film. </p>
<p>Foma has a small lineup of budget traditional emulsions. Similar situation to Efke/etc…</p>
<p>All a shame, because nothing else available now is quite like Tri-X. I&#8217;ll opine similarly once Fuji starts doing worse and Acros is threatened… </p>
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		<title>By: Brian Hefele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Hefele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 23:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>B&amp;H carries D-76. HC-110 is where it&#039;s at though :)

Now is probably a good time to stock up on Tri-X, I guess. They already killed off Plus-X, and while they suggested that Tri-X is safe, that can only be true for as long as the company itself is afloat…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B&amp;H carries D-76. HC-110 is where it&#8217;s at though :)</p>
<p>Now is probably a good time to stock up on Tri-X, I guess. They already killed off Plus-X, and while they suggested that Tri-X is safe, that can only be true for as long as the company itself is afloat…</p>
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		<title>By: ryuthrowsstuff</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryuthrowsstuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 23:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They tried, that was one of the hallmarks of the &quot;easy share&quot; brand when they first launched it. Any Easy Share camera could plug directly into any Easy Share Printer without cables, and the software let you upload directly to the Easy Share website for public albums and print services. Unfortunately every step of it was poorly designed. The site was unusable, prints were overpriced and no better than the self printing machine at Walmart. The printers were clunky and low quality, most only printed on a single size of paper, and the docking system was so clunky you&#039;d be lucky to get a camera to seat properly. Meanwhile multiple other online print services were doing it better and the rest of the industry was going with Pictbridge and blue tooth.

Even at the start most of their marketing was based on how cheap it was to print things at home with a Kodak printer. I think it was $.85 a print for most printers at the time. Kodak was something like $.65 a print. Our 1 hour photolab printed thing for $.34 and most of the internet/mail guys were doing it at between $.25 and $.10 a print. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They tried, that was one of the hallmarks of the &#8220;easy share&#8221; brand when they first launched it. Any Easy Share camera could plug directly into any Easy Share Printer without cables, and the software let you upload directly to the Easy Share website for public albums and print services. Unfortunately every step of it was poorly designed. The site was unusable, prints were overpriced and no better than the self printing machine at Walmart. The printers were clunky and low quality, most only printed on a single size of paper, and the docking system was so clunky you&#8217;d be lucky to get a camera to seat properly. Meanwhile multiple other online print services were doing it better and the rest of the industry was going with Pictbridge and blue tooth.</p>
<p>Even at the start most of their marketing was based on how cheap it was to print things at home with a Kodak printer. I think it was $.85 a print for most printers at the time. Kodak was something like $.65 a print. Our 1 hour photolab printed thing for $.34 and most of the internet/mail guys were doing it at between $.25 and $.10 a print. </p>
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		<title>By: JohnBerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnBerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got to speak with him and some of his colleagues a bunch of years ago. Kodak is not failing because of the lack of ideas or very smart people. They were impressive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got to speak with him and some of his colleagues a bunch of years ago. Kodak is not failing because of the lack of ideas or very smart people. They were impressive.</p>
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		<title>By: Alpacaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alpacaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True that, even if they are discontinuing lines of film hopefully it will be so they can continue with others. In a time where the only innovation seems to be in mirrorless cameras Fuji are continually putting out new and innovative stuff, even new film cameras - and they are being rewarded by this. The success of the X100 says as much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True that, even if they are discontinuing lines of film hopefully it will be so they can continue with others. In a time where the only innovation seems to be in mirrorless cameras Fuji are continually putting out new and innovative stuff, even new film cameras &#8211; and they are being rewarded by this. The success of the X100 says as much.</p>
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		<title>By: Alpacaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alpacaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t even find D76 any more :( 

Only Ilford chemicals (then again, I like Ilford anyway...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t even find D76 any more :( </p>
<p>Only Ilford chemicals (then again, I like Ilford anyway&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: CLamb</title>
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		<dc:creator>CLamb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should a corporation seek to prolong its existence once its reason for being is gone?   IMO, no.  A corporation is a tool for a purpose--once that tool is no longer needed it should be discarded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should a corporation seek to prolong its existence once its reason for being is gone?   IMO, no.  A corporation is a tool for a purpose&#8211;once that tool is no longer needed it should be discarded.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 20:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is not death the ultimate expression of corporate personhood?  Beware, ye who seek to be fully human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is not death the ultimate expression of corporate personhood?  Beware, ye who seek to be fully human.</p>
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		<title>By: hugh crawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>hugh crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 20:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a big part of the problem is that Kodak abandoned all of their niche markets in the 80s, without realizing that pretty soon all their business was going to be a niche market. I switched to digital in large part because Kodak (and Agfa) discontinued all the materials I was using by 1990.

BTW , anyone who knows a source for 70mm B&amp;W film with type 2 perforations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a big part of the problem is that Kodak abandoned all of their niche markets in the 80s, without realizing that pretty soon all their business was going to be a niche market. I switched to digital in large part because Kodak (and Agfa) discontinued all the materials I was using by 1990.</p>
<p>BTW , anyone who knows a source for 70mm B&amp;W film with type 2 perforations.</p>
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		<title>By: hugh crawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>hugh crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D76 is just Metol (monomethyl-p-aminophenol hemisulfate), Sodium Sulfite, Hydroquinone , and Borax. It&#039;s pretty easy. 
I used to make it but with less than the standard amount of Sodium Sulfite.

Rodinal on the other hand...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D76 is just Metol (monomethyl-p-aminophenol hemisulfate), Sodium Sulfite, Hydroquinone , and Borax. It&#8217;s pretty easy. <br />
I used to make it but with less than the standard amount of Sodium Sulfite.</p>
<p>Rodinal on the other hand&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 20:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor planning in hindsight - absolutely. But as I understood it, the rough plan was to roll with the transition to digital in the developed markets, and continue to supply film to the third world markets which would stay there longer and transition slowly because of the high cost of switching to digital. And - yes, stay with film in the niche markets like large format and x-ray.

There are other factors that make this seem logical. The modern digicam lives from batteries, but a Pentax K1000 with a 36 exposure roll can sit  in a closet for two years and be ready to go in an instant when you take it out. Battery? Yes - but only for the meter, and most shots can be done acceptably with a few simply exposure rules. The lack of a broad and solid battery and power infrastructure in the third world should - by this vision - slowed down the digital transition.

What destroyed this plan was the third world skipping over film entirely, and going straight to digital. This was likely helped along considerably by the cell phone market, which rapidly took over the cheapest digicam markets. When the camera moved from being a $100 item to a $5 option, people find a way to adapt to the other changes.

Ultimately, I&#039;d say Moore&#039;s law had the most to do with destroying Kodak. But even that could have been hard to see - the optics and mechanicals aren&#039;t part of that equation.

But Kodak did deal in low-cost film point and shoots, though, so they should have known just how little it costs to make a camera body and inexpensive lens. Pair that with the plunging cost of the digital guts, and maybe, just maybe, someone could have seen the light.

But at the end of the day, Kodak was a process and chemicals company. The market was shifting to a place where you could create photographs and memories without process and chemicals. It takes a very tough minded company to admit that the future does not hold a place for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor planning in hindsight &#8211; absolutely. But as I understood it, the rough plan was to roll with the transition to digital in the developed markets, and continue to supply film to the third world markets which would stay there longer and transition slowly because of the high cost of switching to digital. And &#8211; yes, stay with film in the niche markets like large format and x-ray.</p>
<p>There are other factors that make this seem logical. The modern digicam lives from batteries, but a Pentax K1000 with a 36 exposure roll can sit  in a closet for two years and be ready to go in an instant when you take it out. Battery? Yes &#8211; but only for the meter, and most shots can be done acceptably with a few simply exposure rules. The lack of a broad and solid battery and power infrastructure in the third world should &#8211; by this vision &#8211; slowed down the digital transition.</p>
<p>What destroyed this plan was the third world skipping over film entirely, and going straight to digital. This was likely helped along considerably by the cell phone market, which rapidly took over the cheapest digicam markets. When the camera moved from being a $100 item to a $5 option, people find a way to adapt to the other changes.</p>
<p>Ultimately, I&#8217;d say Moore&#8217;s law had the most to do with destroying Kodak. But even that could have been hard to see &#8211; the optics and mechanicals aren&#8217;t part of that equation.</p>
<p>But Kodak did deal in low-cost film point and shoots, though, so they should have known just how little it costs to make a camera body and inexpensive lens. Pair that with the plunging cost of the digital guts, and maybe, just maybe, someone could have seen the light.</p>
<p>But at the end of the day, Kodak was a process and chemicals company. The market was shifting to a place where you could create photographs and memories without process and chemicals. It takes a very tough minded company to admit that the future does not hold a place for them.</p>
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		<title>By: hugh crawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>hugh crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 20:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;zero IP or competency in digital photography&quot;Other than inventing digital photography and marketing the earliest amateur and professional cameras, Inventing the DSLR,  and having most of the basic patents on digital photography not to mention making the chips for Leica and other high end cameras , I guess you are right.

So what did you do at Eastman anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;zero IP or competency in digital photography&#8221;Other than inventing digital photography and marketing the earliest amateur and professional cameras, Inventing the DSLR,  and having most of the basic patents on digital photography not to mention making the chips for Leica and other high end cameras , I guess you are right.</p>
<p>So what did you do at Eastman anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob O'Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob O'Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since their focus was on the output, it seems like they could&#039;ve transitioned into a print giant like Snapfish, WHCC or Bay Photo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since their focus was on the output, it seems like they could&#8217;ve transitioned into a print giant like Snapfish, WHCC or Bay Photo.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Lenethen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Lenethen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...a sales model based on selling cheap cameras and expensive media.&quot;

Sounds like the exact same model where companies sell ink jet printers cheap and then sell expensive ink.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;a sales model based on selling cheap cameras and expensive media.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds like the exact same model where companies sell ink jet printers cheap and then sell expensive ink.</p>
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		<title>By: ryuthrowsstuff</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/05/did-digital-photography-kill-k.html#comment-1287559</link>
		<dc:creator>ryuthrowsstuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having worked in camera sales/pro-photo labs for a while I&#039;ve long been of the opinion that if anything was killing Kodak it was Fuji. I mean in every possible aspect of the business Fuji was doing similar things to Kodak, but doing it right. Cheap,  functional, durable cameras for the consumer market? Yeah Fuji&#039;s were just better cameras. Interesting pro-grade camerasa good price point? Kodak didn&#039;t seem to be even trying. Strange little enthusiast cameras (again cheaper than most other brands and still competative)? Kodak never even got there. Even on the film/chemical end of things Fuji was kicking their ass. Larger, more widely available, and more varied product line at a much better price point. Even our lab equipment and chems (especially digital printers and auto-labs) were Fuji made. They just worked better at a better price, did a better job of integrating digital, and were far more reliable than what Kodak was pushing. 
 
As hazdaz put it above Kodak just descended into classic American corporate  bureaucracy. Fuji still revolved around engineers, photographers and chemists. You could even see it in their sales rep. The Kodak reps were like rejects from a telemarketing firm. They knew nothing about any aspect of the business, or even their own product line. Ours in particular had a huge problem with personal hygiene.Our Fuji reps on the other hand were a former engineer and a retired press photog.They&#039;d show up with a couple of cameras (even unreleased ones) to play with. And bring gifts for the staff. They knew I liked slide film so they&#039;d bring me samples of stuff the store didn&#039;t carry. Hell the one guy went to my manager&#039;s wedding. 

So even then (7 years ago or so) Kodak had lost or seriously cheesed off the entire back end of the business. The labs, pros, artists, press and what have that could have saved them. And they were just starting to seriously fuck up the digital end of the business. I had that same nostalgic pro-America love for Kodak as most people when I started at that place. Within 3 months (and ever since) I had a serious hard on for Fuji and wouldn&#039;t touch Kodak with a 10 foot pole. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having worked in camera sales/pro-photo labs for a while I&#8217;ve long been of the opinion that if anything was killing Kodak it was Fuji. I mean in every possible aspect of the business Fuji was doing similar things to Kodak, but doing it right. Cheap,  functional, durable cameras for the consumer market? Yeah Fuji&#8217;s were just better cameras. Interesting pro-grade camerasa good price point? Kodak didn&#8217;t seem to be even trying. Strange little enthusiast cameras (again cheaper than most other brands and still competative)? Kodak never even got there. Even on the film/chemical end of things Fuji was kicking their ass. Larger, more widely available, and more varied product line at a much better price point. Even our lab equipment and chems (especially digital printers and auto-labs) were Fuji made. They just worked better at a better price, did a better job of integrating digital, and were far more reliable than what Kodak was pushing. <br />
 <br />
As hazdaz put it above Kodak just descended into classic American corporate  bureaucracy. Fuji still revolved around engineers, photographers and chemists. You could even see it in their sales rep. The Kodak reps were like rejects from a telemarketing firm. They knew nothing about any aspect of the business, or even their own product line. Ours in particular had a huge problem with personal hygiene.Our Fuji reps on the other hand were a former engineer and a retired press photog.They&#8217;d show up with a couple of cameras (even unreleased ones) to play with. And bring gifts for the staff. They knew I liked slide film so they&#8217;d bring me samples of stuff the store didn&#8217;t carry. Hell the one guy went to my manager&#8217;s wedding. </p>
<p>So even then (7 years ago or so) Kodak had lost or seriously cheesed off the entire back end of the business. The labs, pros, artists, press and what have that could have saved them. And they were just starting to seriously fuck up the digital end of the business. I had that same nostalgic pro-America love for Kodak as most people when I started at that place. Within 3 months (and ever since) I had a serious hard on for Fuji and wouldn&#8217;t touch Kodak with a 10 foot pole. </p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/05/did-digital-photography-kill-k.html#comment-1287535</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer it when greed kills the corporation itself &lt;a href=&quot;http://warcosts.com/2011/10/27/meet-the-0-01-percent-war-profiteers/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;instead of people.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer it when greed kills the corporation itself <a href="http://warcosts.com/2011/10/27/meet-the-0-01-percent-war-profiteers/" rel="nofollow">instead of people.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Spurgeon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/05/did-digital-photography-kill-k.html#comment-1287449</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Spurgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 18:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in 2006 Kodak was attempting to switch themselves over to a digital imaging company, and they made this still-hilarious video about the change...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYW49bsiP4k</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in 2006 Kodak was attempting to switch themselves over to a digital imaging company, and they made this still-hilarious video about the change&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYW49bsiP4k" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYW49bsiP4k</a></p>
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		<title>By: danblondell</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/05/did-digital-photography-kill-k.html#comment-1287439</link>
		<dc:creator>danblondell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 18:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree completely, this makes more sense than what I wrote. Point is: poor management lead to company with huge assets and powerful reputation failing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely, this makes more sense than what I wrote. Point is: poor management lead to company with huge assets and powerful reputation failing.</p>
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		<title>By: chris hennebery</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris hennebery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 18:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is false. Kodak as a brand was know for cameras but they had zero IP or competency in digital photography. Kodak did however have a massive amount of IP and expertise in chemicals. They were one of the largest chemical companies in the world and when cameras turned away from chemical processing, they should have stayed with what they knew: chemical manufacturing and development. They should have become a competitor to DOW and 3M. Instead they invested a massive amount of money into the digital realm, all because they thought their brand was strong enough to pull them through. I saw this whole thing play out when I worked for Eastman Kodak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is false. Kodak as a brand was know for cameras but they had zero IP or competency in digital photography. Kodak did however have a massive amount of IP and expertise in chemicals. They were one of the largest chemical companies in the world and when cameras turned away from chemical processing, they should have stayed with what they knew: chemical manufacturing and development. They should have become a competitor to DOW and 3M. Instead they invested a massive amount of money into the digital realm, all because they thought their brand was strong enough to pull them through. I saw this whole thing play out when I worked for Eastman Kodak.</p>
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		<title>By: sdmikev</title>
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		<dc:creator>sdmikev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 17:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like he said, it&#039;s not a contest.  Digital won.  The end.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like he said, it&#8217;s not a contest.  Digital won.  The end.</p>
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		<title>By: sdmikev</title>
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		<dc:creator>sdmikev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 17:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;professional, scientific and fine arts market&quot; amounts to squat in terms of actually making money from their product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;professional, scientific and fine arts market&#8221; amounts to squat in terms of actually making money from their product.</p>
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		<title>By: benenglish</title>
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		<dc:creator>benenglish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 17:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like something Maker-ish is needed.  60 years ago, photographers accepted that making your own developer was simple chemistry.  There were thousands of formulas out there and serious hobbyists would make dozens of different ones before deciding what they liked.

As a kid in the early 1970s, I made up a few batches myself.  D76, though, was just easier to buy at the local FedMart so I stopped making my own developer after my curiosity was satisfied.  It was not difficult.  If I really needed D76 now, I could make some.  

I expect that eventually someone will read some old photography magazines from the 1940s and 1950s, pull out a half-dozen easy-to-make formulas, make up a few test batches, and publish the results.  No doubt they&#039;ll be lauded by the whole &quot;let&#039;s reinvent everything and pretend we&#039;re pioneering geniuses&quot; crowd as super-duper innovators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like something Maker-ish is needed.  60 years ago, photographers accepted that making your own developer was simple chemistry.  There were thousands of formulas out there and serious hobbyists would make dozens of different ones before deciding what they liked.</p>
<p>As a kid in the early 1970s, I made up a few batches myself.  D76, though, was just easier to buy at the local FedMart so I stopped making my own developer after my curiosity was satisfied.  It was not difficult.  If I really needed D76 now, I could make some.  </p>
<p>I expect that eventually someone will read some old photography magazines from the 1940s and 1950s, pull out a half-dozen easy-to-make formulas, make up a few test batches, and publish the results.  No doubt they&#8217;ll be lauded by the whole &#8220;let&#8217;s reinvent everything and pretend we&#8217;re pioneering geniuses&#8221; crowd as super-duper innovators.</p>
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		<title>By: mccrum</title>
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		<dc:creator>mccrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 17:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kodak and Polaroid seem to have the same issue:  huge global production lines with millions of products being sold for years being reduced in scale.  Smaller sums of money for the existing product with existing tooling and manufacturing processes just aren&#039;t worth it.

Polaroid sold it all to the Impossible Project, who is cranking out film as fast as the can and making innovations in the product at the same time.

Kodak may just hand the reins over to Fuji or Ilford as well since there&#039;s just not enough money in it for them to meet their current standard.  Hiring experts isn&#039;t the issue, it&#039;s more about &quot;do we shutter some plants and keep a boutique line or just shutter them all and call it a day?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kodak and Polaroid seem to have the same issue:  huge global production lines with millions of products being sold for years being reduced in scale.  Smaller sums of money for the existing product with existing tooling and manufacturing processes just aren&#8217;t worth it.</p>
<p>Polaroid sold it all to the Impossible Project, who is cranking out film as fast as the can and making innovations in the product at the same time.</p>
<p>Kodak may just hand the reins over to Fuji or Ilford as well since there&#8217;s just not enough money in it for them to meet their current standard.  Hiring experts isn&#8217;t the issue, it&#8217;s more about &#8220;do we shutter some plants and keep a boutique line or just shutter them all and call it a day?&#8221;</p>
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