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	<title>Comments on: But I don&#039;t want to shut off my&#160;e-reader</title>
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		<title>By: donovan acree</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/13/but-i-dont-want-to-shut-off.html#comment-1297127</link>
		<dc:creator>donovan acree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@boingboing-7160c7db52df96e5fe196a6c9ce73f83:disqus I saw those two references. 
Crossair Flight 498 - An examination of pilot Pavel Gruzin&#039;s body revealed traces of the tranquilizer Phenazepam his muscle tissue. Examiners also found an open packet of the Russian-made drug in baggage belonging to Gruzin. What do you think is the likely cause of the crash? Drugged pilot or cell phone?

Concerning the &quot;regional jet was forced to make an emergency landing after a fire alarm was triggered by a ringing phone in the luggage compartment.&quot;
I was unable to locate any information about this claim other that it is repeated quite often without mentioning the flight number, carrier, the conditions involved or anything that could be used to verify the story. I suspect FUD. Also, even if true, this is not related to avionics but rather a false alarm. The flight was not in any actual danger.
Before we go banning something, lets make sure we are doing so based on facts and evidence rather than hearsay. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@boingboing-7160c7db52df96e5fe196a6c9ce73f83:disqus I saw those two references.<br />
Crossair Flight 498 &#8211; An examination of pilot Pavel Gruzin&#8217;s body revealed traces of the tranquilizer Phenazepam his muscle tissue. Examiners also found an open packet of the Russian-made drug in baggage belonging to Gruzin. What do you think is the likely cause of the crash? Drugged pilot or cell phone?</p>
<p>Concerning the &#8220;regional jet was forced to make an emergency landing after a fire alarm was triggered by a ringing phone in the luggage compartment.&#8221;<br />
I was unable to locate any information about this claim other that it is repeated quite often without mentioning the flight number, carrier, the conditions involved or anything that could be used to verify the story. I suspect FUD. Also, even if true, this is not related to avionics but rather a false alarm. The flight was not in any actual danger.<br />
Before we go banning something, lets make sure we are doing so based on facts and evidence rather than hearsay. </p>
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		<title>By: Tony Alonzo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/13/but-i-dont-want-to-shut-off.html#comment-1295945</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Alonzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I said the same thing. She said that electronics allow you to interact, call, email, IM, and its much more difficult to get people disconnected from communication and interaction than it is to get them to drop a paperback. I see your point, and I&#039;m not saying that what the airlines do makes any sense at all, I am merely providing an explanation as it was explained to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said the same thing. She said that electronics allow you to interact, call, email, IM, and its much more difficult to get people disconnected from communication and interaction than it is to get them to drop a paperback. I see your point, and I&#8217;m not saying that what the airlines do makes any sense at all, I am merely providing an explanation as it was explained to me.</p>
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		<title>By: penguinchris</title>
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		<dc:creator>penguinchris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since no one&#039;s commented on the title yet - being asked to turn off your e-reader is the worst. 

Chances are, you were engrossed in your book while waiting forever to board the plane, and while you&#039;re waiting forever for everyone else to find their seat you got engrossed in it again.

You didn&#039;t bring a paper book or a magazine because you have an e-reader, and anyway you&#039;re engrossed in your e-book and don&#039;t want to read anything else.

And then, an e-reader is about the most benign electronic device possible. It doesn&#039;t even draw any power except when the page turns (granted the Kindles and possibly others have 3G, but you can turn it off - and I&#039;ll grant that the flight attendants shouldn&#039;t have to know that my Sony e-reader doesn&#039;t have any radios in it while the guy next to me&#039;s Kindle does).

For anything else - including crosswords or sudoku or other electronics - I just sit patiently not doing anything until we&#039;re in the air. But if I&#039;m reading - which will always be on my e-reader these days - I lose patience and all I want to do is break the rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since no one&#8217;s commented on the title yet &#8211; being asked to turn off your e-reader is the worst. </p>
<p>Chances are, you were engrossed in your book while waiting forever to board the plane, and while you&#8217;re waiting forever for everyone else to find their seat you got engrossed in it again.</p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t bring a paper book or a magazine because you have an e-reader, and anyway you&#8217;re engrossed in your e-book and don&#8217;t want to read anything else.</p>
<p>And then, an e-reader is about the most benign electronic device possible. It doesn&#8217;t even draw any power except when the page turns (granted the Kindles and possibly others have 3G, but you can turn it off &#8211; and I&#8217;ll grant that the flight attendants shouldn&#8217;t have to know that my Sony e-reader doesn&#8217;t have any radios in it while the guy next to me&#8217;s Kindle does).</p>
<p>For anything else &#8211; including crosswords or sudoku or other electronics &#8211; I just sit patiently not doing anything until we&#8217;re in the air. But if I&#8217;m reading &#8211; which will always be on my e-reader these days &#8211; I lose patience and all I want to do is break the rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet history has shown us that airline experts disagree.  You&#039;ve suggested that we defer to their opinions on safety.  Why would we do it on (pseudo)science but not on (pseudo)social science?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet history has shown us that airline experts disagree.  You&#8217;ve suggested that we defer to their opinions on safety.  Why would we do it on (pseudo)science but not on (pseudo)social science?</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/13/but-i-dont-want-to-shut-off.html#comment-1295741</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 07:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aas smart as you are,and as correct as you are,  you haven&#039;t managed to figure out that as you board the airplane you lose the right to be such a wanker about what is absurd to you, and how you choose to protest it. 

Being a douche on a plane is wanking. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aas smart as you are,and as correct as you are,  you haven&#8217;t managed to figure out that as you board the airplane you lose the right to be such a wanker about what is absurd to you, and how you choose to protest it. </p>
<p>Being a douche on a plane is wanking. </p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/13/but-i-dont-want-to-shut-off.html#comment-1295730</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 07:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I see the analogy to my point. Being muslim doesn&#039;t interfere with the airplane itself, and wifi has nothing to do with such wetware issues as racist bigotry. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I see the analogy to my point. Being muslim doesn&#8217;t interfere with the airplane itself, and wifi has nothing to do with such wetware issues as racist bigotry. </p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/13/but-i-dont-want-to-shut-off.html#comment-1295682</link>
		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 06:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shhhhh! .. Don&#039;t give them any ideas! You should delete that comment or an Exec may see it, and make it true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shhhhh! .. Don&#8217;t give them any ideas! You should delete that comment or an Exec may see it, and make it true.</p>
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		<title>By: johnjohnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/13/but-i-dont-want-to-shut-off.html#comment-1295658</link>
		<dc:creator>johnjohnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 04:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because...

http://www.salon.com/2008/01/04/askthepilot259/
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.salon.com/2008/01/04/askthepilot259/" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/2008/01/04/askthepilot259/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Max Kingsbury</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Kingsbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 03:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 5th Element was truly prophetic.</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Stewart</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/13/but-i-dont-want-to-shut-off.html#comment-1295482</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 00:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s pretty scary. 2 cases connected aircraft malfuntion? In the past 15 years since cellphones achieved mainstream adoption? Over nearly 50,000 flights per day? And in one of those cases the official report never listed cellphone use as a primary cause?

I&#039;m not against banning their use and forcing passengers to comply - it&#039;s the right of any company to define their terms of service.

Just against making something with weak evidence regarded as fact. Religion has taken that crown, and we all know how well that&#039;s worked out for air travel.

Hopefully some evidence will back this ban up soon - so we can all get back to the real issue at hand with airlines (according to every stand-up comic I&#039;ve ever seen) - the food. What&#039;s up with that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s pretty scary. 2 cases connected aircraft malfuntion? In the past 15 years since cellphones achieved mainstream adoption? Over nearly 50,000 flights per day? And in one of those cases the official report never listed cellphone use as a primary cause?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not against banning their use and forcing passengers to comply &#8211; it&#8217;s the right of any company to define their terms of service.</p>
<p>Just against making something with weak evidence regarded as fact. Religion has taken that crown, and we all know how well that&#8217;s worked out for air travel.</p>
<p>Hopefully some evidence will back this ban up soon &#8211; so we can all get back to the real issue at hand with airlines (according to every stand-up comic I&#8217;ve ever seen) &#8211; the food. What&#8217;s up with that?</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/13/but-i-dont-want-to-shut-off.html#comment-1295473</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 00:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...But to the larger point: When there are absurd rules, societies work around them. People know not to follow them. It is sometimes easier for millions of people to disobey a rule than to find the guy with the authority to change the rule (and hope he or she feels like doing so). 

The waitress who harassed Baldwin (while ignoring the non-celebrity passengers) was not playing by the society&#039;s rules, she was playing by the rules which society knows to ignore. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;But to the larger point: When there are absurd rules, societies work around them. People know not to follow them. It is sometimes easier for millions of people to disobey a rule than to find the guy with the authority to change the rule (and hope he or she feels like doing so). </p>
<p>The waitress who harassed Baldwin (while ignoring the non-celebrity passengers) was not playing by the society&#8217;s rules, she was playing by the rules which society knows to ignore. </p>
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		<title>By: Adam Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 00:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No they didn&#039;t. All they did was show that, in their tests, phones didn&#039;t cause any problems. They failed to show that phones will never cause any issues ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No they didn&#8217;t. All they did was show that, in their tests, phones didn&#8217;t cause any problems. They failed to show that phones will never cause any issues ever.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/13/but-i-dont-want-to-shut-off.html#comment-1295469</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 00:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez, relax. Even the pilot in that editorial admits that he&#039;s never seen interference, and that the only known incident involving a phone, ever, was one time when a phone in the baggage compartment had a ring tone that evidently sounded like an alarm (he doesn&#039;t give details). 

I am just restating the point of the article because you are perpetuating a lie when you say &quot;There is a reason&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez, relax. Even the pilot in that editorial admits that he&#8217;s never seen interference, and that the only known incident involving a phone, ever, was one time when a phone in the baggage compartment had a ring tone that evidently sounded like an alarm (he doesn&#8217;t give details). </p>
<p>I am just restating the point of the article because you are perpetuating a lie when you say &#8220;There is a reason&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: oasisob1</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/13/but-i-dont-want-to-shut-off.html#comment-1295453</link>
		<dc:creator>oasisob1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 00:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mythbusters busted this, btw.</description>
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		<title>By: bosconet</title>
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		<dc:creator>bosconet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry but the idea that you need to turn off electronics completely falls apart with the FAA approving iPads for use in the cockpit of American Airlines at any time, including take off and landings. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-57342524-52/faa-gives-nod-to-ipads-in-cockpits-for-american-airlines/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry but the idea that you need to turn off electronics completely falls apart with the FAA approving iPads for use in the cockpit of American Airlines at any time, including take off and landings. <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-57342524-52/faa-gives-nod-to-ipads-in-cockpits-for-american-airlines/" rel="nofollow">http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-57342524-52/faa-gives-nod-to-ipads-in-cockpits-for-american-airlines/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Decades ago, cell phones were forbidden in the hospital because they would &#039;interfere with the electronics&#039; of some equipment.  Apparently, there really was an issue.  In about 1985.  Which was corrected shortly.  As of 2000, when I last worked in the hospital, they were still banning cell phones in patient care areas even though every equipment manufacturer swore up and down that it wasn&#039;t a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Decades ago, cell phones were forbidden in the hospital because they would &#8216;interfere with the electronics&#8217; of some equipment.  Apparently, there really was an issue.  In about 1985.  Which was corrected shortly.  As of 2000, when I last worked in the hospital, they were still banning cell phones in patient care areas even though every equipment manufacturer swore up and down that it wasn&#8217;t a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Repurposed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Repurposed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My brother in law (a commercial pilot) says that it&#039;s threefold.

1.) The mentioned reason of interference with avionics. 
2.) It pisses off the ground crew (who still internally debate whether it interferes with their communications gear).
3.) As a courtesy to the cabin crew who don&#039;t like dealing with people distracted by phone calls (when giving out safety instructions or any other sort of directions).

It&#039;s just easiest to say &#039;because the plane will crash&#039; since the other two reasons don&#039;t instill enough fear to stop people from doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My brother in law (a commercial pilot) says that it&#8217;s threefold.</p>
<p>1.) The mentioned reason of interference with avionics.<br />
2.) It pisses off the ground crew (who still internally debate whether it interferes with their communications gear).<br />
3.) As a courtesy to the cabin crew who don&#8217;t like dealing with people distracted by phone calls (when giving out safety instructions or any other sort of directions).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just easiest to say &#8216;because the plane will crash&#8217; since the other two reasons don&#8217;t instill enough fear to stop people from doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: flickerKuu</title>
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		<dc:creator>flickerKuu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the biggest pile of crap I&#039;ve seen in a while. If you can&#039;t build a plane that won&#039;t drop out of the sky because my MP3 player is on maybe you shouldn&#039;t build planes. I&#039;ve had cell phones on and working before by accident on flights across the country. I&#039;m fine. We ALL KNOW the reason you can&#039;t use a phone is because they want to charge you $5 a minute for their crappy in flight phones. Thats IT.   The argument someone will have their Mp3 player on 11 and not hear the fact they are crashing is just plain stupid. That&#039;s fine. If someone wants to boogie to the beat while oxygen masks are dropping and people are screaming for the exits while fire erupts around them- so be it. Let the guy die. At least he died happy.  I happen to know pilots hang out in the cockpit with Ipads and laptops on ALL THE TIME. Funny how rules don&#039;t apply to them.  I would be more worried about what the pilots did before the flight or the night before effecting  my plane down, rather than  a little Words with Friends game.  There was recent talk about ending all this electronic embargo, and then of course the shoe bomber and underwear bomber happened. Now they are worried about terrorists texting eachother to coordinate an attack in flight. OK, so of course a ban on electronics will stop terrorists. There&#039;s no way they will spurn the bane of the stewardess to take over a plane now.  This is all dumb. I&#039;m with Baldwin on this one. That Salon article is junk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the biggest pile of crap I&#8217;ve seen in a while. If you can&#8217;t build a plane that won&#8217;t drop out of the sky because my MP3 player is on maybe you shouldn&#8217;t build planes. I&#8217;ve had cell phones on and working before by accident on flights across the country. I&#8217;m fine. We ALL KNOW the reason you can&#8217;t use a phone is because they want to charge you $5 a minute for their crappy in flight phones. Thats IT.   The argument someone will have their Mp3 player on 11 and not hear the fact they are crashing is just plain stupid. That&#8217;s fine. If someone wants to boogie to the beat while oxygen masks are dropping and people are screaming for the exits while fire erupts around them- so be it. Let the guy die. At least he died happy.  I happen to know pilots hang out in the cockpit with Ipads and laptops on ALL THE TIME. Funny how rules don&#8217;t apply to them.  I would be more worried about what the pilots did before the flight or the night before effecting  my plane down, rather than  a little Words with Friends game.  There was recent talk about ending all this electronic embargo, and then of course the shoe bomber and underwear bomber happened. Now they are worried about terrorists texting eachother to coordinate an attack in flight. OK, so of course a ban on electronics will stop terrorists. There&#8217;s no way they will spurn the bane of the stewardess to take over a plane now.  This is all dumb. I&#8217;m with Baldwin on this one. That Salon article is junk.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Saul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Saul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The user-tracking Carrier IQ and similar applications are advertised as functioning constantly, updating user location to remote monitors by pinging towers even when cell phones are &quot;off&quot; or in &quot;airplane mode.&quot;

So which priority is higher for Reichland Security? Warrentless tracking, or minimizing electronic interference on airplanes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The user-tracking Carrier IQ and similar applications are advertised as functioning constantly, updating user location to remote monitors by pinging towers even when cell phones are &#8220;off&#8221; or in &#8220;airplane mode.&#8221;</p>
<p>So which priority is higher for Reichland Security? Warrentless tracking, or minimizing electronic interference on airplanes?</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/13/but-i-dont-want-to-shut-off.html#comment-1295274</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;To decide your momentary preference is more important than the judgement of the people you have contracted with to safely transport you is the height of self-centeredness...You agreed to the rules, you could have shopped around until you find an airline which allows you to use those things at that time. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
How do you apply that principle to an airline that decides to keep you safe by harassing passengers who &#039;appear Muslim&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>To decide your momentary preference is more important than the judgement of the people you have contracted with to safely transport you is the height of self-centeredness&#8230;You agreed to the rules, you could have shopped around until you find an airline which allows you to use those things at that time. </p></blockquote>
<p>How do you apply that principle to an airline that decides to keep you safe by harassing passengers who &#8216;appear Muslim&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: elk</title>
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		<dc:creator>elk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no technical mystery to unravel here IMO...aren&#039;t we just helping flight staff do their jobs (i.e. keeping people somewhat prepared for a worst-case crash scenario)? The cost for the passenger? A wee bit of &quot;inconvenience&quot; if you can even call it that.

Why not make it easy for these people to do their jobs? Smart flyers pack for a friction-less flight experience. The same way you&#039;d leave a big honkin&#039; metal belt at home to best your chances at flowing thru security, you pack a f&#039;n magazine for take-offs. &quot;But my rights as a citizen and paying customer are being violated!&quot; Those people can shut their cake holes and dig just deep enough to wait the ten minutes it takes to get to altitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no technical mystery to unravel here IMO&#8230;aren&#8217;t we just helping flight staff do their jobs (i.e. keeping people somewhat prepared for a worst-case crash scenario)? The cost for the passenger? A wee bit of &#8220;inconvenience&#8221; if you can even call it that.</p>
<p>Why not make it easy for these people to do their jobs? Smart flyers pack for a friction-less flight experience. The same way you&#8217;d leave a big honkin&#8217; metal belt at home to best your chances at flowing thru security, you pack a f&#8217;n magazine for take-offs. &#8220;But my rights as a citizen and paying customer are being violated!&#8221; Those people can shut their cake holes and dig just deep enough to wait the ten minutes it takes to get to altitude.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie Koerth-Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie Koerth-Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The linked article specifically sites two cases where cell phone use has been connected to aircraft malfunction. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The linked article specifically sites two cases where cell phone use has been connected to aircraft malfunction. </p>
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		<title>By: Mark Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BRB, just gonna work on P=NP. In the meantime, I hope they add, &quot;due to chaos theory&quot; to the &quot;please turn off your devices&quot; message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BRB, just gonna work on P=NP. In the meantime, I hope they add, &#8220;due to chaos theory&#8221; to the &#8220;please turn off your devices&#8221; message.</p>
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		<title>By: Rasmaestro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rasmaestro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 18:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian Dunning does a good job here: http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4014

And one more perspective; a historical one. A decade or two ago mobile telephony on airplanes was not possible except through the airplane&#039;s own communication system or satellite telephone systems. The airlines charged very good money for that. 
Naturally, the airlines and communication suppliers at that time had no interest in welcoming personal telephony on board. The same thing goes for hospitals - I remember when mobile phones were completely banned and I was forced to use the expensive services at my local hospital. The rules now may be a spill-over from that practice...sometimes such established &quot;truths&quot; are stubborn beasts, especially if the official reason for their existence is safety - even internally.

While technology has moved on, there are still suppliers for this kind of service. Also, there are new suppliers of entertainment systems and services - now integrated in many seats and such. These modern suppliers offer a means of differentiation for an airline service...and often a smartphone without a connection is just not all that fun. I think there is also an underlying economic motive in &quot;complicating&quot; use of personal devices. You retain control of the media channel on board, retain unique airline offerings, retain a direct way of informing the passengers, and retain some level of ROI in a technological world moving faster than the aircraft itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian Dunning does a good job here: <a href="http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4014" rel="nofollow">http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4014</a></p>
<p>And one more perspective; a historical one. A decade or two ago mobile telephony on airplanes was not possible except through the airplane&#8217;s own communication system or satellite telephone systems. The airlines charged very good money for that.<br />
Naturally, the airlines and communication suppliers at that time had no interest in welcoming personal telephony on board. The same thing goes for hospitals &#8211; I remember when mobile phones were completely banned and I was forced to use the expensive services at my local hospital. The rules now may be a spill-over from that practice&#8230;sometimes such established &#8220;truths&#8221; are stubborn beasts, especially if the official reason for their existence is safety &#8211; even internally.</p>
<p>While technology has moved on, there are still suppliers for this kind of service. Also, there are new suppliers of entertainment systems and services &#8211; now integrated in many seats and such. These modern suppliers offer a means of differentiation for an airline service&#8230;and often a smartphone without a connection is just not all that fun. I think there is also an underlying economic motive in &#8220;complicating&#8221; use of personal devices. You retain control of the media channel on board, retain unique airline offerings, retain a direct way of informing the passengers, and retain some level of ROI in a technological world moving faster than the aircraft itself.</p>
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		<title>By: donovan acree</title>
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		<dc:creator>donovan acree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 18:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is all FUD. No aircraft has ever experienced a malfunction due to cell phone use. Or, to put it another way, you and everyone you know will win the lottery before a plane is put in distress by the use of a cell phone. These rules came to be when the airlines where pushing their in flight phone service. This is about money and has nothing at all to do with safety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all FUD. No aircraft has ever experienced a malfunction due to cell phone use. Or, to put it another way, you and everyone you know will win the lottery before a plane is put in distress by the use of a cell phone. These rules came to be when the airlines where pushing their in flight phone service. This is about money and has nothing at all to do with safety.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Shields</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 18:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend was asked to stow her paperback during take off on Friday because it might become a projectile.  Probably would be safer if the airlines started just putting us all to sleep then we wouldn&#039;t have to worry about all of the massive danger of paperback books and unproven interference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend was asked to stow her paperback during take off on Friday because it might become a projectile.  Probably would be safer if the airlines started just putting us all to sleep then we wouldn&#8217;t have to worry about all of the massive danger of paperback books and unproven interference.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Baruch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Baruch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 18:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always wondered about that explanation. I mean, I accept that it&#039;s true, but then why wouldn&#039;t they ask you to close all your books and magazines, too? I can be just as absorbed in a physical book as I am in an e-book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always wondered about that explanation. I mean, I accept that it&#8217;s true, but then why wouldn&#8217;t they ask you to close all your books and magazines, too? I can be just as absorbed in a physical book as I am in an e-book.</p>
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		<title>By: jedrekburak</title>
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		<dc:creator>jedrekburak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 18:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all the people saying that a mobile phone is ok because if it was dangerous it would be confiscated/mobiles would be used as terrorist devices etc. - one mobile left on is significantly different from 250 mobiles connecting with the nearest mast when all the passengers want to call their families that they&#039;re about to land. Note that this is almost undoubtedly when most phone calls would happen - by chance the most sensitive part of the flight when you really don&#039;t want anything to go wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all the people saying that a mobile phone is ok because if it was dangerous it would be confiscated/mobiles would be used as terrorist devices etc. &#8211; one mobile left on is significantly different from 250 mobiles connecting with the nearest mast when all the passengers want to call their families that they&#8217;re about to land. Note that this is almost undoubtedly when most phone calls would happen &#8211; by chance the most sensitive part of the flight when you really don&#8217;t want anything to go wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: rabidpotatochip</title>
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		<dc:creator>rabidpotatochip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 18:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Come on - EVERYTHING can be determined with enough effort and time.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Sure, given enough time you can even prove that P=NP, but that shouldn&#039;t stop you from relying on approximations that are generally proven to work in the meantime.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Come on &#8211; EVERYTHING can be determined with enough effort and time.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sure, given enough time you can even prove that P=NP, but that shouldn&#8217;t stop you from relying on approximations that are generally proven to work in the meantime.  </p>
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		<title>By: traalfaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>traalfaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 18:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best way to ensure that nobody is carrying any explosives is to have everyone fly naked.  This is pretty much guaranteed to increase safety.  Allowing people to wear arbitrary clothing on a flight is certainly adding to the possibility of a bad outcome during a flight.
I agree that cell phones are a risk and I think they should be put into airplane mode (radios off) but airplane mode should be sufficient for any device.  There&#039;s no reason to have me shut off my ereader.  As for the worry about it becoming a projectile, I&#039;ve never been asked to put it away, just to turn it off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best way to ensure that nobody is carrying any explosives is to have everyone fly naked.  This is pretty much guaranteed to increase safety.  Allowing people to wear arbitrary clothing on a flight is certainly adding to the possibility of a bad outcome during a flight.<br />
I agree that cell phones are a risk and I think they should be put into airplane mode (radios off) but airplane mode should be sufficient for any device.  There&#8217;s no reason to have me shut off my ereader.  As for the worry about it becoming a projectile, I&#8217;ve never been asked to put it away, just to turn it off.</p>
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