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	<title>Comments on: Paul Allen, Burt Rutan, and SpaceX team up for new space venture,&#160;Stratolaunch</title>
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		<title>By: claytantor</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/13/paul-allen-burt-rutan-and-sp.html#comment-1299274</link>
		<dc:creator>claytantor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>way more appropriate... http://youtu.be/nwJ1hir4snA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>way more appropriate&#8230; <a href="http://youtu.be/nwJ1hir4snA" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/nwJ1hir4snA</a></p>
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		<title>By: Craig Meyer</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/13/paul-allen-burt-rutan-and-sp.html#comment-1297424</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Word.  Thanks for that.</description>
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		<title>By: AbleBakerCharlie</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/13/paul-allen-burt-rutan-and-sp.html#comment-1297390</link>
		<dc:creator>AbleBakerCharlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s not a bad analysis for a quick look around. The trouble is, as you can see, is that big rockets- to a point- have a better mass ratio, the two big drivers being the diminishing fraction occupied by fixed mass components (a rocket twice as big doesn&#039;t need a guidance package twice as big, for instance) and ordinary scaling laws applied to the tanks- the surface area of a tank (and thus its weight) doesn&#039;t increase as fast as its volume. But the rocket is essentially the same booster as their cancelled Falcon V, and doing a little digging reveals a nearly identical mass ratio. Most analysis shows that you need to be much higher (to cut gravity drag, atmospheric drag, and engine specific impulses losses) or much faster (to get an actual increment on your delta-v) to win on that side of things. But it might still help a hair. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not a bad analysis for a quick look around. The trouble is, as you can see, is that big rockets- to a point- have a better mass ratio, the two big drivers being the diminishing fraction occupied by fixed mass components (a rocket twice as big doesn&#8217;t need a guidance package twice as big, for instance) and ordinary scaling laws applied to the tanks- the surface area of a tank (and thus its weight) doesn&#8217;t increase as fast as its volume. But the rocket is essentially the same booster as their cancelled Falcon V, and doing a little digging reveals a nearly identical mass ratio. Most analysis shows that you need to be much higher (to cut gravity drag, atmospheric drag, and engine specific impulses losses) or much faster (to get an actual increment on your delta-v) to win on that side of things. But it might still help a hair. </p>
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		<title>By: Craig Meyer</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/13/paul-allen-burt-rutan-and-sp.html#comment-1296915</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 06:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Here comes my minor contribution:

I&#039;m trying to figure out just how much extra mass can be launched with the boost given by the airplane, compared to if the rocket was conventionally launched from a standstill on the ground.  Here&#039;s what I&#039;ve come up with:

According to the Stratolaunch article on gizmag.com, the rocket weighs 500,000 pounds when dropped from the airplane and ultimately gets 13,500 pounds into low earth orbit.  The ratio of those two numbers is 37:1.  So, for each pound launched into LEO, there&#039;s 37 pounds of rocket at initial drop.  OK.

Is 37:1 a particularly high or low ratio?  I have no idea.  So I keep digging and guessing...:

Over at spacex.com, there are vital stats for their similar-technology Falcon 9 rocket.  It weighs 735,000 pounds at launch (from the ground) and ultimately gets 23,000 pounds to LEO, or a ratio of 31:1.

As for the smaller Falcon 1e rocket, it weighs 78,000 pounds at launch and ultimately gets 1,000 pounds into orbit, or a a ratio of 78:1.

So:
o Falcon 1e: 1,000lb at 78:1
o Falcon 8: 23,000lb at 31:1
o Stratolaunch: 13,500lb at 37:1

So.  According to these numbers, launching from the airplane, instead of from the ground, doesn&#039;t make much of a difference in terms of how much mass is launched per pound (~= per $&#039;s worth) of rocket.

Ergo, as was pontificated above, the real point of doing it this way must be because of practical reasons like
o fewer launches scrubbed due to weather
o you can launch into any sort of orbit
o you can launch comfortably out over the very remote ocean

Hm.  Well.  If anyone can help support or trash my line of reasoning here, I&#039;d very much appreciate it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Here comes my minor contribution:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to figure out just how much extra mass can be launched with the boost given by the airplane, compared to if the rocket was conventionally launched from a standstill on the ground.  Here&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve come up with:</p>
<p>According to the Stratolaunch article on gizmag.com, the rocket weighs 500,000 pounds when dropped from the airplane and ultimately gets 13,500 pounds into low earth orbit.  The ratio of those two numbers is 37:1.  So, for each pound launched into LEO, there&#8217;s 37 pounds of rocket at initial drop.  OK.</p>
<p>Is 37:1 a particularly high or low ratio?  I have no idea.  So I keep digging and guessing&#8230;:</p>
<p>Over at spacex.com, there are vital stats for their similar-technology Falcon 9 rocket.  It weighs 735,000 pounds at launch (from the ground) and ultimately gets 23,000 pounds to LEO, or a ratio of 31:1.</p>
<p>As for the smaller Falcon 1e rocket, it weighs 78,000 pounds at launch and ultimately gets 1,000 pounds into orbit, or a a ratio of 78:1.</p>
<p>So:<br />
o Falcon 1e: 1,000lb at 78:1<br />
o Falcon 8: 23,000lb at 31:1<br />
o Stratolaunch: 13,500lb at 37:1</p>
<p>So.  According to these numbers, launching from the airplane, instead of from the ground, doesn&#8217;t make much of a difference in terms of how much mass is launched per pound (~= per $&#8217;s worth) of rocket.</p>
<p>Ergo, as was pontificated above, the real point of doing it this way must be because of practical reasons like<br />
o fewer launches scrubbed due to weather<br />
o you can launch into any sort of orbit<br />
o you can launch comfortably out over the very remote ocean</p>
<p>Hm.  Well.  If anyone can help support or trash my line of reasoning here, I&#8217;d very much appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>By: AbleBakerCharlie</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/13/paul-allen-burt-rutan-and-sp.html#comment-1296860</link>
		<dc:creator>AbleBakerCharlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 04:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never understand why the zero-sum budgetary discussions seem so relentless drawn to space travel. Never ceases to confuse me. I don&#039;t know if all the cool, save-the-day shit that happens in space with pragmatic things like weather, imaging and communications is just not sexy enough, or if all the pure research side with telescopes and probes and astronauts just doesn&#039;t sell for the same reason any other bit of pure research doesn&#039;t- despite the fact all of that ends up saving the day when you least expect it- or what, but a person can cheerfully go through their day watching $100M Hollywood movies, or shopping in $10M retail establishments, or be glad they are finally sinking in $50M into road repairs, or cheer when their kid in the military gets a ride in a $60M aircraft, but when rockets come up, ahhhh hell, we&#039;re robbing poor people. Maybe it&#039;s just because they go up and don&#039;t come down?

And here&#039;s the thing- I&#039;m in a pretty much perpetual fury about the American distribution of wealth, and dereliction of public services, and the massive moral and market failures in our dealing with the very poor, and the environment, etc., etc. I&#039;m the guy in the corner furiously working the white board and combing the literature for the neat fixes that would make the current political culture lose it. The boston.com Big Picture on homelessness today nearly made me cry. It&#039;s just that I don&#039;t understand the fixation- public and commercial spaceflight is such a small, innocuous, variously fascinating and useful bit of infrastructure, but like a moth to flame, you mention rockets and someone will lob in a zero-sum guilt bomb about the poor, as though in the world of trillion-dollar tax loopholes, someone starting up some medium-cap business like this was relevant to the discussion. 

Rockets, why you no fix homelessness?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never understand why the zero-sum budgetary discussions seem so relentless drawn to space travel. Never ceases to confuse me. I don&#8217;t know if all the cool, save-the-day shit that happens in space with pragmatic things like weather, imaging and communications is just not sexy enough, or if all the pure research side with telescopes and probes and astronauts just doesn&#8217;t sell for the same reason any other bit of pure research doesn&#8217;t- despite the fact all of that ends up saving the day when you least expect it- or what, but a person can cheerfully go through their day watching $100M Hollywood movies, or shopping in $10M retail establishments, or be glad they are finally sinking in $50M into road repairs, or cheer when their kid in the military gets a ride in a $60M aircraft, but when rockets come up, ahhhh hell, we&#8217;re robbing poor people. Maybe it&#8217;s just because they go up and don&#8217;t come down?</p>
<p>And here&#8217;s the thing- I&#8217;m in a pretty much perpetual fury about the American distribution of wealth, and dereliction of public services, and the massive moral and market failures in our dealing with the very poor, and the environment, etc., etc. I&#8217;m the guy in the corner furiously working the white board and combing the literature for the neat fixes that would make the current political culture lose it. The boston.com Big Picture on homelessness today nearly made me cry. It&#8217;s just that I don&#8217;t understand the fixation- public and commercial spaceflight is such a small, innocuous, variously fascinating and useful bit of infrastructure, but like a moth to flame, you mention rockets and someone will lob in a zero-sum guilt bomb about the poor, as though in the world of trillion-dollar tax loopholes, someone starting up some medium-cap business like this was relevant to the discussion. </p>
<p>Rockets, why you no fix homelessness?</p>
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		<title>By: Catbeller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catbeller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 04:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;d be fine. The rocket is dropped long before ignition, and would be thousands of meters away if anything went wrong.

How many escape pods did the Mayflower have, does anyone recall?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;d be fine. The rocket is dropped long before ignition, and would be thousands of meters away if anything went wrong.</p>
<p>How many escape pods did the Mayflower have, does anyone recall?</p>
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		<title>By: Theo v. Werkhoven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theo v. Werkhoven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 23:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a (very good) reason why everyone stays well clear of a launch-site during take-off. When these rockets fail, they do so spectacularly and quite catastrophically. I&#039;d hate to be be in that plane if things do not go  by the book when the rocket&#039;s engines light up. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a (very good) reason why everyone stays well clear of a launch-site during take-off. When these rockets fail, they do so spectacularly and quite catastrophically. I&#8217;d hate to be be in that plane if things do not go  by the book when the rocket&#8217;s engines light up. </p>
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		<title>By: Halloween_Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Halloween_Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 23:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. </description>
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		<title>By: millie fink</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/13/paul-allen-burt-rutan-and-sp.html#comment-1296460</link>
		<dc:creator>millie fink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There&#039;s no reason we couldn&#039;t rebuild inner cities and develop low-cost space launch systems.&lt;/i&gt;

Sure, but it&#039;s the fact that so many get so much more excited about the former than the latter, and that the former seems so much more possible than the latter (while the latter is actually much more readily achievable), that&#039;s so galling. Desparing, even. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There&#8217;s no reason we couldn&#8217;t rebuild inner cities and develop low-cost space launch systems.</i></p>
<p>Sure, but it&#8217;s the fact that so many get so much more excited about the former than the latter, and that the former seems so much more possible than the latter (while the latter is actually much more readily achievable), that&#8217;s so galling. Desparing, even. </p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope Burt Rutan remembers to ask an engineer about that.</description>
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		<title>By: videobored</title>
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		<dc:creator>videobored</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m no engineer, but that thing looks like a catastrophe waiting to happen. The stress on those two main wing/fuselage connection points has to be gargantuan during takeoff and landings. I&#039;ll wait a while before buying my ticket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m no engineer, but that thing looks like a catastrophe waiting to happen. The stress on those two main wing/fuselage connection points has to be gargantuan during takeoff and landings. I&#8217;ll wait a while before buying my ticket.</p>
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		<title>By: millie fink</title>
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		<dc:creator>millie fink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I agree completely. I just think blaming the space program for those problems is blasting the wrong target, especially when the amount we spend on it is so small compared to other wasteful activities (like our bloated military and the aforementioned War on Drugs).&lt;/i&gt;

Hmm. And someone rich--let&#039;s say, Lady Gaga--can say, &quot;No, I&#039;m not &#039;rich.&#039; Look at Bill Gates. Now THAT&#039;S someone who&#039;s rich!&quot;

[edit to add:]

&lt;i&gt;Do you really think that if we suddenly cut all funding for space exploration that money would suddenly go toward helping poor people? &lt;/i&gt;

No, I don&#039;t think in those zero-sum terms. I do think that Gil Scott-Heron made an awesomely astute and enduring observation, though, about the clothes-less state of the emperor, and about race and economics more specifically. His point applies to just about any large-scale expenditure with such abstract, long-term goals toward the betterment of humanity, while certain readily identifiable blocks of humanity continue to languish in egregious and relatively fixable neglect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I agree completely. I just think blaming the space program for those problems is blasting the wrong target, especially when the amount we spend on it is so small compared to other wasteful activities (like our bloated military and the aforementioned War on Drugs).</i></p>
<p>Hmm. And someone rich&#8211;let&#8217;s say, Lady Gaga&#8211;can say, &#8220;No, I&#8217;m not &#8216;rich.&#8217; Look at Bill Gates. Now THAT&#8217;S someone who&#8217;s rich!&#8221;</p>
<p>[edit to add:]</p>
<p><i>Do you really think that if we suddenly cut all funding for space exploration that money would suddenly go toward helping poor people? </i></p>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t think in those zero-sum terms. I do think that Gil Scott-Heron made an awesomely astute and enduring observation, though, about the clothes-less state of the emperor, and about race and economics more specifically. His point applies to just about any large-scale expenditure with such abstract, long-term goals toward the betterment of humanity, while certain readily identifiable blocks of humanity continue to languish in egregious and relatively fixable neglect.</p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree completely. I just think blaming the space program for those problems is blasting the wrong target, especially when the amount we spend on it is so small compared to other wasteful activities (like our bloated military and the aforementioned War on Drugs).

[edit to add:]

Do you really think that if we suddenly cut all funding for space exploration that money would suddenly go toward helping poor people? You&#039;re right to suggest our national priorities are totally screwed up, but the problem isn&#039;t that going to space is a bad thing. The problem is that we&#039;re neglecting to do a lot of GOOD things. There&#039;s no reason we couldn&#039;t rebuild inner cities &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; develop low-cost space launch systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely. I just think blaming the space program for those problems is blasting the wrong target, especially when the amount we spend on it is so small compared to other wasteful activities (like our bloated military and the aforementioned War on Drugs).</p>
<p>[edit to add:]</p>
<p>Do you really think that if we suddenly cut all funding for space exploration that money would suddenly go toward helping poor people? You&#8217;re right to suggest our national priorities are totally screwed up, but the problem isn&#8217;t that going to space is a bad thing. The problem is that we&#8217;re neglecting to do a lot of GOOD things. There&#8217;s no reason we couldn&#8217;t rebuild inner cities <em>and</em> develop low-cost space launch systems.</p>
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		<title>By: millie fink</title>
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		<dc:creator>millie fink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 19:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about spending billions instead against the ongoing War on Urban Children? The U.S. could start by funding public schools equally, instead of on the basis of residential property values, so that suburban kids, for example, don&#039;t get an automatic leg-up just because of the geographic location in which they happen to have been born. Also, of course, we could raise teacher salaries so that teaching can better compete with other careers for talented brains, along a host of other familiar remedies we hear about, but never seem to see enacted in any significant ways. 

The decades-long, multiple-leveled neglect of urban America constitutes a set of human causes. To wash one&#039;s hands of the resultant problems as hopelessly unfixable is, at best, to ignore those human causes, and to ignore as well the ability society does have to fix them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about spending billions instead against the ongoing War on Urban Children? The U.S. could start by funding public schools equally, instead of on the basis of residential property values, so that suburban kids, for example, don&#8217;t get an automatic leg-up just because of the geographic location in which they happen to have been born. Also, of course, we could raise teacher salaries so that teaching can better compete with other careers for talented brains, along a host of other familiar remedies we hear about, but never seem to see enacted in any significant ways. </p>
<p>The decades-long, multiple-leveled neglect of urban America constitutes a set of human causes. To wash one&#8217;s hands of the resultant problems as hopelessly unfixable is, at best, to ignore those human causes, and to ignore as well the ability society does have to fix them.</p>
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		<title>By: millie fink</title>
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		<dc:creator>millie fink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 19:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have some imagination, y&#039;all. Rebuild&quot; doesn&#039;t necessarily and only apply to &quot;buildings.&quot; How about starting a rebuild of a school district? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have some imagination, y&#8217;all. Rebuild&#8221; doesn&#8217;t necessarily and only apply to &#8220;buildings.&#8221; How about starting a rebuild of a school district? </p>
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		<title>By: magneticwheels</title>
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		<dc:creator>magneticwheels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the corporate life form must not be allowed to escape the planet! it is an infection, a cancer on the universe! they will turn the wonders of the universe, the adventure of space migration into just another shopping experience!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the corporate life form must not be allowed to escape the planet! it is an infection, a cancer on the universe! they will turn the wonders of the universe, the adventure of space migration into just another shopping experience!</p>
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		<title>By: CountZero</title>
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		<dc:creator>CountZero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But sadly realistic.</description>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, but this time it&#039;s being designed by a guy who &lt;em&gt;has actually built&lt;/em&gt; a couple of these things before. On a much smaller scale, true- but Rutan isn&#039;t just another dreamer with ambitions that far outstrip his track record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but this time it&#8217;s being designed by a guy who <em>has actually built</em> a couple of these things before. On a much smaller scale, true- but Rutan isn&#8217;t just another dreamer with ambitions that far outstrip his track record.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re gonna need a wider runway.</description>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Imagine if someone instead spent $200 million on rebuilding an inner city or two.&lt;/blockquote&gt;We spend untold billions of taxpayer dollars on inner city problems, the problem is that most of it goes to the War on Drugs. At least space exploration doesn&#039;t make the lives of poor people appreciably &lt;em&gt;worse.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Imagine if someone instead spent $200 million on rebuilding an inner city or two.</p></blockquote>
<p>We spend untold billions of taxpayer dollars on inner city problems, the problem is that most of it goes to the War on Drugs. At least space exploration doesn&#8217;t make the lives of poor people appreciably <em>worse.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian Spinczyk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian Spinczyk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give a man a fish, and he won&#039;t be hungry for a day.
Teach a man to fish... and he&#039;ll get bored of fish pretty soon.
But teach a man to fly into space, and he can precision-strike the slippery fuckers from orbit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give a man a fish, and he won&#8217;t be hungry for a day.<br />
Teach a man to fish&#8230; and he&#8217;ll get bored of fish pretty soon.<br />
But teach a man to fly into space, and he can precision-strike the slippery fuckers from orbit!</p>
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		<title>By: Noctilucent Studios</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noctilucent Studios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know there is BIG difference between blimps and zeppelins,right? </description>
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		<title>By: Robert Little</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Little</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and how do we change society? How do we overcome cultural and societal malaise? Look at parts of Germany, Russia and even the UK; they started some fantastic urban renewal projects only to have them be ignored and ultimately vandalized. I hear what you&#039;re saying, I heard it thousands of times when I was heavily involved in space activism (which I am no longer), but the simple fact is that you can throw gobs of money at these projects but unless some sort of change comes from society it is all for naught. I for one would prefer that money be spent on space exploration, because it hints at the possibility that we hairless apes can aspire to greatness and perhaps one day find a way to prevail and not spend out our entire existence on the surface of this planet. We need to have dreams, some to aspire for. I know that coming from my poor background (classic hillbilly family) the space program gave me something to believe in. While I do not agree with much in the way many of the space projects are being run (hence my no longer being so heavily involved), I still think that they are perhaps money better spent. Yes, we need to have people minding what happens to our cities, but we should not content ourselves with simply staying put.
We have to have dreams. We should be allowed to have both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and how do we change society? How do we overcome cultural and societal malaise? Look at parts of Germany, Russia and even the UK; they started some fantastic urban renewal projects only to have them be ignored and ultimately vandalized. I hear what you&#8217;re saying, I heard it thousands of times when I was heavily involved in space activism (which I am no longer), but the simple fact is that you can throw gobs of money at these projects but unless some sort of change comes from society it is all for naught. I for one would prefer that money be spent on space exploration, because it hints at the possibility that we hairless apes can aspire to greatness and perhaps one day find a way to prevail and not spend out our entire existence on the surface of this planet. We need to have dreams, some to aspire for. I know that coming from my poor background (classic hillbilly family) the space program gave me something to believe in. While I do not agree with much in the way many of the space projects are being run (hence my no longer being so heavily involved), I still think that they are perhaps money better spent. Yes, we need to have people minding what happens to our cities, but we should not content ourselves with simply staying put.<br />
We have to have dreams. We should be allowed to have both.</p>
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		<title>By: Culturedropout</title>
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		<dc:creator>Culturedropout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man I love Scaled Composites and SpaceX.  Maybe some of the private space exploration science fiction I&#039;ve read over my 48 years of life will actually come true while I&#039;m alive. 

If I remember correctly, at least one of the proposed designs in the program which eventually led to the space shuttle used a runway-launched carrier which delivered a smaller vehicle to the edge of the atmosphere for orbital insertion using its own engines.  I always liked that design, and was sad to see it replaced by the final shuttle launch design.  While thundering into orbit with rockets is certainly spectacular, it can also fail in spectacular ways.  Taxiing down a runway, climbing smoothly to altitude (with the option to just _land_ again if things aren&#039;t going well) and dropping the payload there has always felt much more sane to me.  

I really hope they can pull this off.  It would be amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man I love Scaled Composites and SpaceX.  Maybe some of the private space exploration science fiction I&#8217;ve read over my 48 years of life will actually come true while I&#8217;m alive. </p>
<p>If I remember correctly, at least one of the proposed designs in the program which eventually led to the space shuttle used a runway-launched carrier which delivered a smaller vehicle to the edge of the atmosphere for orbital insertion using its own engines.  I always liked that design, and was sad to see it replaced by the final shuttle launch design.  While thundering into orbit with rockets is certainly spectacular, it can also fail in spectacular ways.  Taxiing down a runway, climbing smoothly to altitude (with the option to just _land_ again if things aren&#8217;t going well) and dropping the payload there has always felt much more sane to me.  </p>
<p>I really hope they can pull this off.  It would be amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: millie fink</title>
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		<dc:creator>millie fink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a mighty impoverished conception of urban blight and its victims you&#039;ve got there, mate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a mighty impoverished conception of urban blight and its victims you&#8217;ve got there, mate.</p>
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		<title>By: Culturedropout</title>
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		<dc:creator>Culturedropout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah.  Just imagine the fun the roving hordes of bored, illiterate teenagers would have trashing the newly-refurbished buildings, and the money they could make ripping out the copper wiring to sell for crack money... Meh.  Been there, done that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah.  Just imagine the fun the roving hordes of bored, illiterate teenagers would have trashing the newly-refurbished buildings, and the money they could make ripping out the copper wiring to sell for crack money&#8230; Meh.  Been there, done that.</p>
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		<title>By: millie fink</title>
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		<dc:creator>millie fink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine if someone instead spent $200 million on rebuilding an inner city or two. Just imagine!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtBy_ppG4hY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine if someone instead spent $200 million on rebuilding an inner city or two. Just imagine!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtBy_ppG4hY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtBy_ppG4hY</a></p>
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		<title>By: mappo</title>
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		<dc:creator>mappo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re both right - the &lt;i&gt;launch vehicle&lt;/i&gt; is just an embiggened White Knight, but the &lt;i&gt;rocket&lt;/i&gt; has nothing in common with SS1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re both right &#8211; the <i>launch vehicle</i> is just an embiggened White Knight, but the <i>rocket</i> has nothing in common with SS1.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Little</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Little</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This idea has been revisited hundreds of times since the 1940&#039;s (earlier, if you think about some of the twin/parasitic aircraft tests done in the 1930&#039;s). It looks viable enough, but I worry that, like so many of those ideas, it may never really see the light of day (recommended reading; &quot;The Dream Machines&quot; by Ron Miller, a history of the spaceship in fact and fantasy, 1994. It is beautiful and somewhat heartbreaking).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This idea has been revisited hundreds of times since the 1940&#8242;s (earlier, if you think about some of the twin/parasitic aircraft tests done in the 1930&#8242;s). It looks viable enough, but I worry that, like so many of those ideas, it may never really see the light of day (recommended reading; &#8220;The Dream Machines&#8221; by Ron Miller, a history of the spaceship in fact and fantasy, 1994. It is beautiful and somewhat heartbreaking).</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Tanasy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Tanasy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>‎&quot;Hello? Airplanes? It&#039;s blimps, you win! Bye!&quot;</description>
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