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	<title>Comments on: Christopher Hitchens,&#160;1949-2011</title>
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		<title>By: gregusmeus</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/christopher-hitchens-1949-201.html#comment-1300466</link>
		<dc:creator>gregusmeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure Hitch would love to find himself in Heaven so that he can spend eternity arguing with God as to why the latter doesn&#039;t actually exist. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure Hitch would love to find himself in Heaven so that he can spend eternity arguing with God as to why the latter doesn&#8217;t actually exist. </p>
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		<title>By: dcamsam</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/christopher-hitchens-1949-201.html#comment-1299541</link>
		<dc:creator>dcamsam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 19:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the first response to Hitchens&#039;s death that hasn&#039;t made me think I was insane:

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/17/christohper_hitchens_and_the_protocol_for_public_figure_deaths/

&lt;blockquote&gt;I go back to something Judith Butler’s been saying for years; some lives are grievable and some are not. And in that context, publicly mourning someone like Hitchens in the way we are supposed to do — holding him up as someone who was “one of us,” even if we disagree with him — is also a way of quietly reinforcing the “we” that never seems to extend to the un-grievable Arab casualties of Hitch’s favorite wars. It’s also a “we” that has everything to do with being clever and literate and British (and nothing to do with a human universalism that stretches across the usual “us” and “them” categories). And when it is impolitic to mention that he was politically atrocious (in exactly the way of Kissinger, if not to the extent), we enshrine the same standard of human value as when the deaths of Iraqi children from cluster bombs are rendered politically meaningless by our lack of attention.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the first response to Hitchens&#8217;s death that hasn&#8217;t made me think I was insane:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.salon.com/2011/12/17/christohper_hitchens_and_the_protocol_for_public_figure_deaths/" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/2011/12/17/christohper_hitchens_and_the_protocol_for_public_figure_deaths/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>I go back to something Judith Butler’s been saying for years; some lives are grievable and some are not. And in that context, publicly mourning someone like Hitchens in the way we are supposed to do — holding him up as someone who was “one of us,” even if we disagree with him — is also a way of quietly reinforcing the “we” that never seems to extend to the un-grievable Arab casualties of Hitch’s favorite wars. It’s also a “we” that has everything to do with being clever and literate and British (and nothing to do with a human universalism that stretches across the usual “us” and “them” categories). And when it is impolitic to mention that he was politically atrocious (in exactly the way of Kissinger, if not to the extent), we enshrine the same standard of human value as when the deaths of Iraqi children from cluster bombs are rendered politically meaningless by our lack of attention.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: penguinchris</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/christopher-hitchens-1949-201.html#comment-1299306</link>
		<dc:creator>penguinchris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see Obama as a great speaker in the same way that Hitchens was. 

Actually, I wouldn&#039;t call Obama a particularly great speaker at all, in the grand scheme of things - just far and above most anyone else in the American political landscape, particularly Bush (who immensely lowered the standards for nearly a decade which partially accounts for people thinking Obama is a great speaker).

Hitchens was a great manipulator of the language in the grand British tradition. The type of clever language that occasionally makes you pause to figure out what&#039;s meant, and then to grin maniacally. In addition, even when speaking more plainly he was a great persuader and articulate point-maker who never slowed down. 

Obama admittedly has a different purpose when he speaks, but I find his manner of speech somewhat grating. It&#039;s just too simple, direct, and slow - he uses &lt;i&gt;enormous&lt;/i&gt; pauses between sentences, and even mid-sentence. I presume this is so that all the dim-wits in America can understand him. And he often makes little jokes, but they&#039;re never actually funny and seem incredibly stilted (and obviously prepared) - not like the quips that come from great wits like Hitchens (and Stephen Fry, and so many others), even though many of his quips he probably did think of ahead of time and stored up for the right moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see Obama as a great speaker in the same way that Hitchens was. </p>
<p>Actually, I wouldn&#8217;t call Obama a particularly great speaker at all, in the grand scheme of things &#8211; just far and above most anyone else in the American political landscape, particularly Bush (who immensely lowered the standards for nearly a decade which partially accounts for people thinking Obama is a great speaker).</p>
<p>Hitchens was a great manipulator of the language in the grand British tradition. The type of clever language that occasionally makes you pause to figure out what&#8217;s meant, and then to grin maniacally. In addition, even when speaking more plainly he was a great persuader and articulate point-maker who never slowed down. </p>
<p>Obama admittedly has a different purpose when he speaks, but I find his manner of speech somewhat grating. It&#8217;s just too simple, direct, and slow &#8211; he uses <i>enormous</i> pauses between sentences, and even mid-sentence. I presume this is so that all the dim-wits in America can understand him. And he often makes little jokes, but they&#8217;re never actually funny and seem incredibly stilted (and obviously prepared) &#8211; not like the quips that come from great wits like Hitchens (and Stephen Fry, and so many others), even though many of his quips he probably did think of ahead of time and stored up for the right moment.</p>
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		<title>By: chaopoiesis</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/christopher-hitchens-1949-201.html#comment-1299296</link>
		<dc:creator>chaopoiesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 10:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Fowles is in order here:  &quot;He lived largely for pleasure, and died largely of it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Fowles is in order here:  &#8221;He lived largely for pleasure, and died largely of it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: matt headley</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/christopher-hitchens-1949-201.html#comment-1299207</link>
		<dc:creator>matt headley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 04:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is only one atheism, and Hitchens is its prophet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is only one atheism, and Hitchens is its prophet.</p>
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		<title>By: graymerica</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/christopher-hitchens-1949-201.html#comment-1299179</link>
		<dc:creator>graymerica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 03:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mine too.  There is no better take down than to call a pompous as s like hannity &quot;unlettered&quot;.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mine too.  There is no better take down than to call a pompous as s like hannity &#8220;unlettered&#8221;.  </p>
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		<title>By: Paul Laroquod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Laroquod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s sad that he is dead, but I never wanted him (or Dawkins) to represent my views as an atheist, so I definitely wouldn&#039;t put him on a pedestal. Besides, ever since the Iraq War it&#039;s been apparent that Hitchens&#039;s contrarianism had muddled his mind. I saw him as little more than a smart mouth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s sad that he is dead, but I never wanted him (or Dawkins) to represent my views as an atheist, so I definitely wouldn&#8217;t put him on a pedestal. Besides, ever since the Iraq War it&#8217;s been apparent that Hitchens&#8217;s contrarianism had muddled his mind. I saw him as little more than a smart mouth.</p>
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		<title>By: The Chemist</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/christopher-hitchens-1949-201.html#comment-1299136</link>
		<dc:creator>The Chemist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He was wrong.&quot; Isn&#039;t mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He was wrong.&#8221; Isn&#8217;t mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Perizade</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/christopher-hitchens-1949-201.html#comment-1299085</link>
		<dc:creator>Perizade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 01:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, perhaps we are gushing too much because he was witty, a great speaker and writer, and an Atheist. None of that makes you a decent human being. I liked him far better than the equally racist, though rarely funny and often petty Richard Dawkins. But PhosPhorious does make a good point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, perhaps we are gushing too much because he was witty, a great speaker and writer, and an Atheist. None of that makes you a decent human being. I liked him far better than the equally racist, though rarely funny and often petty Richard Dawkins. But PhosPhorious does make a good point.</p>
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		<title>By: Perizade</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/christopher-hitchens-1949-201.html#comment-1299079</link>
		<dc:creator>Perizade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 01:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For &quot;daring&quot; to criticize Islam? People the world over fap endlessly about the evils of Islam. It&#039;s shooting fish in a barrel. Criticize away- it&#039;s important for every institution to have vocal critics. But no one is a special snowflake for doing so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For &#8220;daring&#8221; to criticize Islam? People the world over fap endlessly about the evils of Islam. It&#8217;s shooting fish in a barrel. Criticize away- it&#8217;s important for every institution to have vocal critics. But no one is a special snowflake for doing so.</p>
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		<title>By: noen</title>
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		<dc:creator>noen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 01:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;hardcore adherents of religious doctrine /won&#039;t/ be swayed by /any/ argument&quot; -- But you don&#039;t have to convince every single person that your agenda is a just cause. You only need to convince enough and the least effective way to do that is by &quot;being and asshole&quot;. Anger is a powerful motivation but it is not sufficient for building a movement. 

&quot;did you really have to shit all over the comments&quot; -- Really? The man who gave Jerry Falwell a well deserved thumping right after his death? I think Hitchens would be proud. In fact, I&#039;d say he&#039;d be dying to get back into the fray. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;hardcore adherents of religious doctrine /won&#8217;t/ be swayed by /any/ argument&#8221; &#8212; But you don&#8217;t have to convince every single person that your agenda is a just cause. You only need to convince enough and the least effective way to do that is by &#8220;being and asshole&#8221;. Anger is a powerful motivation but it is not sufficient for building a movement. </p>
<p>&#8220;did you really have to shit all over the comments&#8221; &#8212; Really? The man who gave Jerry Falwell a well deserved thumping right after his death? I think Hitchens would be proud. In fact, I&#8217;d say he&#8217;d be dying to get back into the fray. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: noen</title>
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		<dc:creator>noen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 00:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>blueelm said: - &quot;No, because some people will never accept you.&quot; --- Trying to get everyone to like you is not likely to work and is at best shallow and superficial. Most people learn this in high school.  Besides, the fact that not everyone will like you anyway is not a rational justification for being an asshole. The justification for &quot;being nice&quot;, following social mores, is that it allows one to prosper more than not being nice. We cannot accomplish things on our own. We need other&#039;s help. So one is more likely to be able to do things you want, because others will be willing to assist you, so it is in your interest to treat them kindly as well.

Most humans learn this lesson at the age of two.

&quot;Which is why it is all the more important not to let the bullies of the world silence you.&quot; --- You do not solve this by becoming a bully yourself. The strong arm tactics you propose do not work over time. Tit for tat alliances, you help me and I&#039;ll help you, are the superior strategy. It&#039;s been gamed out and is not up for debate.

&quot;If I am right and you kill me for it I was still right.&quot; --- But we are not talking about being right or not. We&#039;re talking about what is the better strategy for a social minority to pursue. Being the biggest flaming assholes one can be or forming alliances with like minded groups and working for social change? Who was more successful, the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee or Martin Luther King?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blueelm said: &#8211; &#8220;No, because some people will never accept you.&#8221; &#8212; Trying to get everyone to like you is not likely to work and is at best shallow and superficial. Most people learn this in high school.  Besides, the fact that not everyone will like you anyway is not a rational justification for being an asshole. The justification for &#8220;being nice&#8221;, following social mores, is that it allows one to prosper more than not being nice. We cannot accomplish things on our own. We need other&#8217;s help. So one is more likely to be able to do things you want, because others will be willing to assist you, so it is in your interest to treat them kindly as well.</p>
<p>Most humans learn this lesson at the age of two.</p>
<p>&#8220;Which is why it is all the more important not to let the bullies of the world silence you.&#8221; &#8212; You do not solve this by becoming a bully yourself. The strong arm tactics you propose do not work over time. Tit for tat alliances, you help me and I&#8217;ll help you, are the superior strategy. It&#8217;s been gamed out and is not up for debate.</p>
<p>&#8220;If I am right and you kill me for it I was still right.&#8221; &#8212; But we are not talking about being right or not. We&#8217;re talking about what is the better strategy for a social minority to pursue. Being the biggest flaming assholes one can be or forming alliances with like minded groups and working for social change? Who was more successful, the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee or Martin Luther King?</p>
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		<title>By: PhosPhorious</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhosPhorious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 00:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in the anti-Hitchens camp.  When all is said and done, this:

http://boingboing.net/2011/12/14/memoir-of-a-child-kidnapped-to.html

is the kind of thing he actively supported.  Even the journalistic stunt of having himself waterboarded doesn&#039;t erase the fact that he devoted time and intellectual energy to defending the people who did this, and never quite recanted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in the anti-Hitchens camp.  When all is said and done, this:</p>
<p><a href="http://boingboing.net/2011/12/14/memoir-of-a-child-kidnapped-to.html" rel="nofollow">http://boingboing.net/2011/12/14/memoir-of-a-child-kidnapped-to.html</a></p>
<p>is the kind of thing he actively supported.  Even the journalistic stunt of having himself waterboarded doesn&#8217;t erase the fact that he devoted time and intellectual energy to defending the people who did this, and never quite recanted.</p>
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		<title>By: Pjay (Patti) Pender</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pjay (Patti) Pender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 23:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know that you can say Hitchens used atheism as a justification for war.  Indeed, he seemed more to be using religion as a justification for war...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know that you can say Hitchens used atheism as a justification for war.  Indeed, he seemed more to be using religion as a justification for war&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pjay (Patti) Pender</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pjay (Patti) Pender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 23:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking similarly.  Not to compare Hitchens to Jobs, but that 2011 has been a bad year for me as far as people I respected dying...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking similarly.  Not to compare Hitchens to Jobs, but that 2011 has been a bad year for me as far as people I respected dying&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pjay (Patti) Pender</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pjay (Patti) Pender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 23:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough.  He was wrong (about the war) but not a stooge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough.  He was wrong (about the war) but not a stooge.</p>
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		<title>By: Pjay (Patti) Pender</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pjay (Patti) Pender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 23:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhh, game theory.</description>
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		<title>By: Julian Fine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian Fine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 21:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought you were just making up a new word with the idea that if you prefix anything with the word neo it becomes bad. Then I googled it.:(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought you were just making up a new word with the idea that if you prefix anything with the word neo it becomes bad. Then I googled it.:(</p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of you neolibertarians should know that Christopher Hitchens avidly supported a single payer system for health care.

1993 CSPAN: (link will take you to 4:55)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;v=0153f7lYpwU#t=294s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of you neolibertarians should know that Christopher Hitchens avidly supported a single payer system for health care.</p>
<p>1993 CSPAN: (link will take you to 4:55)<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&#038;v=0153f7lYpwU#t=294s" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&#038;v=0153f7lYpwU#t=294s</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And some people needed to hear one of their own speak from direct, personal experience to know that waterboarding was torture. Hitchens provided that voice. I don&#039;t know how many conservatives&#039; minds he actually changed on the issue but he made a better effort than most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And some people needed to hear one of their own speak from direct, personal experience to know that waterboarding was torture. Hitchens provided that voice. I don&#8217;t know how many conservatives&#8217; minds he actually changed on the issue but he made a better effort than most.</p>
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		<title>By: obeyken</title>
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		<dc:creator>obeyken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work for one of those alternative weekly newspapers, and at our annual AAN conference in DC (some 14-odd years ago), Hitchens was invited to give the keynote.  I was not a journalist and wasn&#039;t really that familiar with his work at the time, but in his talk, he basically tore our industry a new one, along with our little self-congragulatory conference.  And of course, he did this with great wit and style.  It was amazing to watch the crowd eat up the abuse with such delight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work for one of those alternative weekly newspapers, and at our annual AAN conference in DC (some 14-odd years ago), Hitchens was invited to give the keynote.  I was not a journalist and wasn&#8217;t really that familiar with his work at the time, but in his talk, he basically tore our industry a new one, along with our little self-congragulatory conference.  And of course, he did this with great wit and style.  It was amazing to watch the crowd eat up the abuse with such delight.</p>
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		<title>By: Avram Grumer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avram Grumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 19:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenneth Starr, the lawyer, investigated the Clintons, issued the Starr Report. </description>
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		<title>By: Mitchell Glaser</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/christopher-hitchens-1949-201.html#comment-1298834</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitchell Glaser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 19:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, a very irritating guy, and a big drinker who had an incredible way with words and ideas. And who resembled Socrates in all those respects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, a very irritating guy, and a big drinker who had an incredible way with words and ideas. And who resembled Socrates in all those respects.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Anthony</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/christopher-hitchens-1949-201.html#comment-1298827</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 19:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>inb4: &quot;A GUY I DISAGREED WITH DIED TIME TO SAY MEAN THINGS ABOUT HIM ON THE INTERNE-&quot; Oh, wait. Dammit. I really need to be quicker on the draw than the usual BB trolls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>inb4: &#8220;A GUY I DISAGREED WITH DIED TIME TO SAY MEAN THINGS ABOUT HIM ON THE INTERNE-&#8221; Oh, wait. Dammit. I really need to be quicker on the draw than the usual BB trolls.</p>
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		<title>By: noen</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/christopher-hitchens-1949-201.html#comment-1298823</link>
		<dc:creator>noen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 19:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find such tribalism unattractive. I have no tribe and do not appreciate it when others attempt to force me to choose one. Further, it is exactly this Balkinization of society that my liberalism militates against. We will not survive long as a society or even as a civilization if we divide up into teams and go at each other&#039;s throats. That is my main objection to the New Atheism in that it simply encourages more divisions in our society. I take heart that both forms of fundamentalism, atheistic and religious, cannot abide the tolerance of the middle. What is true in religion is true in politics. The extremists on both ends revile the pragmatic, tolerant, and classically liberal middle.

I think we&#039;ve all had enough of this crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find such tribalism unattractive. I have no tribe and do not appreciate it when others attempt to force me to choose one. Further, it is exactly this Balkinization of society that my liberalism militates against. We will not survive long as a society or even as a civilization if we divide up into teams and go at each other&#8217;s throats. That is my main objection to the New Atheism in that it simply encourages more divisions in our society. I take heart that both forms of fundamentalism, atheistic and religious, cannot abide the tolerance of the middle. What is true in religion is true in politics. The extremists on both ends revile the pragmatic, tolerant, and classically liberal middle.</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;ve all had enough of this crap.</p>
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		<title>By: blueelm</title>
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		<dc:creator>blueelm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 19:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t care about morality actually and never have, and yet I believe that torture is completely unjustifiable in all instances. Chew on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care about morality actually and never have, and yet I believe that torture is completely unjustifiable in all instances. Chew on that.</p>
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		<title>By: blueelm</title>
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		<dc:creator>blueelm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 19:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think a better measure is when people talk about you in favorable terms.&quot;

No, because some people will never accept you. It is the same for trans people, for gays, for everyone who some people will just never accept. It is better to be able to find like minds and not to be isolated and kept in silence. It is better to be heard, even if it makes some people hate you even more. Better to flush out the bigots and make them stand up and be honest.

&quot;You do not have the option of removing yourself from the game. You are in it, not to participate is to participate. Make your moves wisely.&quot;

Which is why it is all the more important not to let the bullies of the world silence you. You can&#039;t opt out, which is why you need strong defenders and people who are not afraid to march forward against the tide. You say make your moves wisely because deep down you know this is a threat. Make your moves wisely, or else. Or else, what? If I am right and you kill me for it I was still right. That&#039;s honesty. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think a better measure is when people talk about you in favorable terms.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, because some people will never accept you. It is the same for trans people, for gays, for everyone who some people will just never accept. It is better to be able to find like minds and not to be isolated and kept in silence. It is better to be heard, even if it makes some people hate you even more. Better to flush out the bigots and make them stand up and be honest.</p>
<p>&#8220;You do not have the option of removing yourself from the game. You are in it, not to participate is to participate. Make your moves wisely.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which is why it is all the more important not to let the bullies of the world silence you. You can&#8217;t opt out, which is why you need strong defenders and people who are not afraid to march forward against the tide. You say make your moves wisely because deep down you know this is a threat. Make your moves wisely, or else. Or else, what? If I am right and you kill me for it I was still right. That&#8217;s honesty. </p>
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		<title>By: Ian Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 19:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brenda, your arguments are very well articulated and valid, except in the face of religion. Simply put, the hardcore adherents of religious doctrine /won&#039;t/ be swayed by /any/ argument, so yes, atheism just being talked about is in fact a great victory. What Hitchens gave closeted atheists who perhaps were raised religious but never could bring themselves to speak of it was a sense of anger. Anger at being lied to, and anger against those who would indoctrinate children into a belief system based on myths. Have you seen Jesus Camp? We should absolutely be furious, and we should say so.

And if logic was all it took to gain atheists, there wouldn&#039;t be any religious people.

One way or another, though, did you really have to shit all over the comments section of a news story about a man who just passed away because he disagreed with you? Coming from someone who is decrying a man for his abrasive attitude, your arguments seem to lose much of their impetus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brenda, your arguments are very well articulated and valid, except in the face of religion. Simply put, the hardcore adherents of religious doctrine /won&#8217;t/ be swayed by /any/ argument, so yes, atheism just being talked about is in fact a great victory. What Hitchens gave closeted atheists who perhaps were raised religious but never could bring themselves to speak of it was a sense of anger. Anger at being lied to, and anger against those who would indoctrinate children into a belief system based on myths. Have you seen Jesus Camp? We should absolutely be furious, and we should say so.</p>
<p>And if logic was all it took to gain atheists, there wouldn&#8217;t be any religious people.</p>
<p>One way or another, though, did you really have to shit all over the comments section of a news story about a man who just passed away because he disagreed with you? Coming from someone who is decrying a man for his abrasive attitude, your arguments seem to lose much of their impetus.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitchell Glaser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitchell Glaser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 19:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh right, there&#039;s nothing like a bestselling book to marginalize a topic. Rebirth is a better word for what Hitchens and Dawkins (among others) have done for atheism. President Obama was moved to mention non-believers as a legitimate part of the political landscape in a speech. But it&#039;s nice to see that the proper feathers have been ruffled to the point of ludicrous denial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh right, there&#8217;s nothing like a bestselling book to marginalize a topic. Rebirth is a better word for what Hitchens and Dawkins (among others) have done for atheism. President Obama was moved to mention non-believers as a legitimate part of the political landscape in a speech. But it&#8217;s nice to see that the proper feathers have been ruffled to the point of ludicrous denial.</p>
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		<title>By: noen</title>
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		<dc:creator>noen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 19:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of us did not need to be tortured to know it was immoral.</description>
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