Comments on: Universal Music uses false copyright claim to censor news program about its false copyright claim http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Wed, 22 May 2013 11:30:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: IceBeam http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297952 IceBeam Fri, 16 Dec 2011 01:19:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297952 Today Youtube - after Sopa ALL websites.  Greedy companies censoring the world, because after all proof takes too much time. Today Youtube – after Sopa ALL websites.  Greedy companies censoring the world, because after all proof takes too much time.

]]> By: IceBeam http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297950 IceBeam Fri, 16 Dec 2011 01:18:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297950 That's like saying you didn't kill that guy, but the bullet did. If you pull the trigger you know what happens. That’s like saying you didn’t kill that guy, but the bullet did. If you pull the trigger you know what happens.

]]> By: adonai http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297754 adonai Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:37:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297754 I would be very intested to see just how many corporations have been found guilty of perjury for false DMCA claims. My gut feeling is a leper could count them on one hand. I would be very intested to see just how many corporations have been found guilty of perjury for false DMCA claims.

My gut feeling is a leper could count them on one hand.

]]> By: Augure http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297652 Augure Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:45:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297652 I can't do this anymore. The further we go in time, the more there are people using the Internet, the more stupid the reactions get. Seriously fuck people, most of them are dumb bitches who deserve every shitty things happening in their life, whether censorship, economical crisis, terror etc... There use to be a time when Internet was full of happy, way smarter people who would just stand here saying looser things like "Oh but it's not Youtube faults, it's only the law". How can you be so fucking dumb already? Google, starting with it's results and now with Youtube IS the reason why the Internet IS already massively censored, manipulated, and we don't care about a fucking law that written by people, like you and me, except greedier. This illegal copyright claim from Universal, is way alarming that what people think it is. I...oh well..fuck you, I just hope all the people naive of fucking dumb enough not to see what's coming (not I'm not even talking about SOPA, SOPA WILL pass whether you want it or not, under another form, and it's nowhere the worse in what's to come). I can’t do this anymore. The further we go in time, the more there are people using the Internet, the more stupid the reactions get. Seriously fuck people, most of them are dumb bitches who deserve every shitty things happening in their life, whether censorship, economical crisis, terror etc…

There use to be a time when Internet was full of happy, way smarter people who would just stand here saying looser things like “Oh but it’s not Youtube faults, it’s only the law”. How can you be so fucking dumb already? Google, starting with it’s results and now with Youtube IS the reason why the Internet IS already massively censored, manipulated, and we don’t care about a fucking law that written by people, like you and me, except greedier.

This illegal copyright claim from Universal, is way alarming that what people think it is. I…oh well..fuck you, I just hope all the people naive of fucking dumb enough not to see what’s coming (not I’m not even talking about SOPA, SOPA WILL pass whether you want it or not, under another form, and it’s nowhere the worse in what’s to come).

]]> By: Hamish Grant http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297516 Hamish Grant Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:17:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297516 It's not blaming the victim to suggest how they can fix the problem they're having.  If enough people take their content-providing business elsewhere then that might compel YouTube to change the way their dispute system works.  We are in agreement that YouTube is evil, Universal is evil.   But they will not change their ways.  They have no compelling reason, business-wise, to change.  Universal pays YouTube plenty of money to host their artists' pages and official videos.  Both companies have armies of lawyers and yet, YouTube cannot possibly hire enough staff to deal with the disputes that pour in daily.   That's wrong and it needs to change.  However.  It won't happen soon.  In the meantime, last I checked people don't actually go to YouTube first to look for TNT or most other content providers.  They go to the content provider's website or FB or an aggregator site, and click on the video there.  What I'm saying is that it doesn't matter where the video is hosted to the user.  TNT could just as easily host their video at another site that has a more productive dispute resolution system.  People do not need YouTube.  But people are convinced that they do.  It's a load of crap. It’s not blaming the victim to suggest how they can fix the problem they’re having.  If enough people take their content-providing business elsewhere then that might compel YouTube to change the way their dispute system works.  We are in agreement that YouTube is evil, Universal is evil.   But they will not change their ways.  They have no compelling reason, business-wise, to change.  Universal pays YouTube plenty of money to host their artists’ pages and official videos.  Both companies have armies of lawyers and yet, YouTube cannot possibly hire enough staff to deal with the disputes that pour in daily.   That’s wrong and it needs to change.  However.  It won’t happen soon.  In the meantime, last I checked people don’t actually go to YouTube first to look for TNT or most other content providers.  They go to the content provider’s website or FB or an aggregator site, and click on the video there.  What I’m saying is that it doesn’t matter where the video is hosted to the user.  TNT could just as easily host their video at another site that has a more productive dispute resolution system.  People do not need YouTube.  But people are convinced that they do.  It’s a load of crap.

]]> By: EvilSpirit http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297487 EvilSpirit Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:57:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297487 Funny, I have no *problem* blaming them for acting in their own best interests. Ethics are not for things you would have done anyway. You need to get your moral compass straight on that. Funny, I have no *problem* blaming them for acting in their own best interests. Ethics are not for things you would have done anyway. You need to get your moral compass straight on that.

]]> By: EvilSpirit http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297480 EvilSpirit Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:53:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297480 So, you start by saying you are not victim-blaming, and then go on to blame them again. I don't think you're really solid on this whole concept. So, you start by saying you are not victim-blaming, and then go on to blame them again.

I don’t think you’re really solid on this whole concept.

]]> By: Hamish Grant http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297460 Hamish Grant Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:39:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297460 sure!  but a smaller, more nimble and responsively-run organization might be better able to deal with the disputes than YouTube.  sure!  but a smaller, more nimble and responsively-run organization might be better able to deal with the disputes than YouTube. 

]]> By: Alex Young http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297448 Alex Young Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:28:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297448 Because of the way the DMCA works, *any* host in the US has to work that way, or they risk becoming directly liable for *any* infringement.  Blame the DMCA, not YouTube. Because of the way the DMCA works, *any* host in the US has to work that way, or they risk becoming directly liable for *any* infringement.  Blame the DMCA, not YouTube.

]]> By: Hamish Grant http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297370 Hamish Grant Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:20:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297370 QFT! QFT!

]]> By: double_tilly http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297358 double_tilly Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:11:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297358 If YouTube's service to the public good is to provide entertainment to a maximum number of people, it is in their best interest to remain conservative when it comes to responding to copyright challenges.  If most YouTube videos are not challenged and most YouTube customers are not interested in challenged videos, YouTube has no real imperative to come anywhere near involving themselves in even the possibility of expensive litigation. In the long run, YouTube will want to make sure they have SOME video to entertain their customers with and sell ads around, but they are not a publicly funded public access entertainment distributor with an expectation of posting any old thing that is submitted.  If I wrote a letter to CBS news and they did not read it on the air, they are not violating my First Amendment rights. They are simply making decisions that will benefit their idea of their responsibility to the public good, which is ostensibly how YouTube treats its takedown policy. If YouTube’s service to the public good is to provide entertainment to a maximum number of people, it is in their best interest to remain conservative when it comes to responding to copyright challenges. 

If most YouTube videos are not challenged and most YouTube customers are not interested in challenged videos, YouTube has no real imperative to come anywhere near involving themselves in even the possibility of expensive litigation.

In the long run, YouTube will want to make sure they have SOME video to entertain their customers with and sell ads around, but they are not a publicly funded public access entertainment distributor with an expectation of posting any old thing that is submitted. 

If I wrote a letter to CBS news and they did not read it on the air, they are not violating my First Amendment rights. They are simply making decisions that will benefit their idea of their responsibility to the public good, which is ostensibly how YouTube treats its takedown policy.

]]> By: Steve Pan http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297327 Steve Pan Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:47:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297327 Hamish Grant: I'm not blaming the victim here, but... Hamish Grant: I’m not blaming the victim here, but…

]]> By: Matt Popke http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297322 Matt Popke Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:43:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297322 I disagree. Universal is absolutely the problem. Copyright law is what it is today because of UMG and other companies like them. The DMCA was passed because of pressure from companies like UMG. SOPA exists because UMG and other companies lobbied for it. The state of our laws is a direct consequence of UMG's (and others) actions. Putting them out of business is a defensive measure. I absolutely agree that legal reforms need to be made. I absolutely agree that our democracy has gone off the rails. But fixing that is a long-term goal. Those problems won't be fully resolved for a long time and the lobbies which are paid for by UMG profits will be fighting against us all the way. As a short-term stop gap solution though, we could make these bastards hurt. Hurt them enough and it could weaken them (and their lobbies), making the ultimate goal of legal reform easier to obtain as well. I disagree. Universal is absolutely the problem. Copyright law is what it is today because of UMG and other companies like them. The DMCA was passed because of pressure from companies like UMG. SOPA exists because UMG and other companies lobbied for it. The state of our laws is a direct consequence of UMG’s (and others) actions. Putting them out of business is a defensive measure.

I absolutely agree that legal reforms need to be made. I absolutely agree that our democracy has gone off the rails. But fixing that is a long-term goal. Those problems won’t be fully resolved for a long time and the lobbies which are paid for by UMG profits will be fighting against us all the way. As a short-term stop gap solution though, we could make these bastards hurt. Hurt them enough and it could weaken them (and their lobbies), making the ultimate goal of legal reform easier to obtain as well.

]]> By: Eric Rucker http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297298 Eric Rucker Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:24:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297298 There actually are penalties for filing a false takedown notice - and it's a felony, even. DMCA specifically states that filing a takedown notice without a good faith belief that it's valid is perjury. There actually are penalties for filing a false takedown notice – and it’s a felony, even.

DMCA specifically states that filing a takedown notice without a good faith belief that it’s valid is perjury.

]]> By: Eric Rucker http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297292 Eric Rucker Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:22:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297292 I believe the actions that would be effective would count as murder or terrorism. I believe the actions that would be effective would count as murder or terrorism.

]]> By: ablestmage http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297273 ablestmage Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:02:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297273 The only  ground I could see Universal having was whether those artists were under contract on all created works belonging to UMG. Several other non-art companies like Target have a creative-works clauses that says anything Target employees make (and doesn't specify whether on/off the clock, or even Target-related) will legally belong to Target.  If the artists created something like this, in breech of contract with a possible creative-works clause, then they may have grounds to have it taken down, though IANAL. The only  ground I could see Universal having was whether those artists were under contract on all created works belonging to UMG. Several other non-art companies like Target have a creative-works clauses that says anything Target employees make (and doesn’t specify whether on/off the clock, or even Target-related) will legally belong to Target.  If the artists created something like this, in breech of contract with a possible creative-works clause, then they may have grounds to have it taken down, though IANAL.

]]> By: double_tilly http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297270 double_tilly Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:59:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297270 This is indeed a disturbing story. However, I think YouTube has a defensible position. YouTube is an entertainment company. Its contribution to the public good is entertainment. They are not a First Amendment advocacy organization. It is in the best interest of their contribution to the public good to act conservatively when infringement challenges are brought to them. The legitimacy of the challenges is of little concern to YouTube, as long as they have a bazillion other challenge-free videos to curate and share. Especially in the short term, it is in the best interest of YouTube and many of its customers to stay very far away from possible litigation.  In the long term, the continual tightening of restrictions on all thing copyrightable might hurt YouTube's ability to entertain, but so far that is not the case. YouTube  customers who are upset by this specific case are a tiny majority of the customer base they are trying to entertain. These are challenging times for the First Amendment, and the policies we have are scary and need to be constantly monitored and negotiated. But YouTube still has a bazillion other videos to entertain people with and sell ads around, right? This is indeed a disturbing story. However, I think YouTube has a defensible position.

YouTube is an entertainment company. Its contribution to the public good is entertainment. They are not a First Amendment advocacy organization. It is in the best interest of their contribution to the public good to act conservatively when infringement challenges are brought to them. The legitimacy of the challenges is of little concern to YouTube, as long as they have a bazillion other challenge-free videos to curate and share.

Especially in the short term, it is in the best interest of YouTube and many of its customers to stay very far away from possible litigation. 

In the long term, the continual tightening of restrictions on all thing copyrightable might hurt YouTube’s ability to entertain, but so far that is not the case. YouTube  customers who are upset by this specific case are a tiny majority of the customer base they are trying to entertain.

These are challenging times for the First Amendment, and the policies we have are scary and need to be constantly monitored and negotiated. But YouTube still has a bazillion other videos to entertain people with and sell ads around, right?

]]> By: wygit http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297233 wygit Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:28:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297233 And that's what people are suggesting: That YouTube change its takedown system. Or that Congress change the DMCA so there are some actual penalties for filing a false takedown notice. And that’s what people are suggesting: That YouTube change its takedown system.
Or that Congress change the DMCA so there are some actual penalties for filing a false takedown notice.

]]> By: Michael Kolodoski http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297210 Michael Kolodoski Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:08:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297210 This extends beyond just Tech News Today and TWiT. You have a company abusing copyright claims to bully small content creators via the legal system because there's not much recourse for creator. Leo Laporte of TWiT has pledged to fight this take-down to the extent that the law allows because it's a concern for not just him and TWiT but everyone. Fair use is being ignored here, and we're poised to get an even more draconian copyright law enacted soon. What if UMG gets the entire TWiT domain seized under SOPA for copyright violation? TWiT doesn't have much legal recourse. We already have examples of domains being seized when the content posted had expressed permission from the corporation that filed the take-down, yet it was over a year before the domain was returned. The potential for abuse is enormous and needs to be fought. #FreeTNT This extends beyond just Tech News Today and TWiT. You have a company abusing copyright claims to bully small content creators via the legal system because there’s not much recourse for creator. Leo Laporte of TWiT has pledged to fight this take-down to the extent that the law allows because it’s a concern for not just him and TWiT but everyone. Fair use is being ignored here, and we’re poised to get an even more draconian copyright law enacted soon.

What if UMG gets the entire TWiT domain seized under SOPA for copyright violation? TWiT doesn’t have much legal recourse. We already have examples of domains being seized when the content posted had expressed permission from the corporation that filed the take-down, yet it was over a year before the domain was returned. The potential for abuse is enormous and needs to be fought.

#FreeTNT

]]> By: Shawn Mire http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297205 Shawn Mire Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:03:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297205 Folks, I've started commenting about these ridiculous practices on the official Youtube blog: http://youtube-global.blogspot.com/ Start going there and talking about these practices of theirs.  Get this out in the open on their public area, and maybe they'll start doing something to change. Folks, I’ve started commenting about these ridiculous practices on the official Youtube blog:

http://youtube-global.blogspot.com/

Start going there and talking about these practices of theirs.  Get this out in the open on their public area, and maybe they’ll start doing something to change.

]]> By: Hamish Grant http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297201 Hamish Grant Thu, 15 Dec 2011 15:56:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297201 Yes, that's abundantly obvious to everyone reading this story.  However, we know from past experience that the RIAA and its member companies are only too happy to take advantage of YouTube's broken system and victimize other legitimate content providers like TNT.   They can issue hundreds of these requests with relative ease because they know that even if their complaint IS spurious, nothing will ultimately be done about it to punish them.  They are still large enough to lawyer down just about any complainant. YES, this is unreasonable and yes it's fraudulent.   But it is YouTube's broken system that makes this possible - compel YouTube to be a better manager of their service.   It is already completely obvious that Universal et al do not care about making petty fraudulent complaints in volume, and they still have enough of our money to keep doing so regardless of the outcome.   Yes, that’s abundantly obvious to everyone reading this story.  However, we know from past experience that the RIAA and its member companies are only too happy to take advantage of YouTube’s broken system and victimize other legitimate content providers like TNT.   They can issue hundreds of these requests with relative ease because they know that even if their complaint IS spurious, nothing will ultimately be done about it to punish them.  They are still large enough to lawyer down just about any complainant. YES, this is unreasonable and yes it’s fraudulent.   But it is YouTube’s broken system that makes this possible – compel YouTube to be a better manager of their service.   It is already completely obvious that Universal et al do not care about making petty fraudulent complaints in volume, and they still have enough of our money to keep doing so regardless of the outcome.  

]]> By: Daniel Tobias http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297199 Daniel Tobias Thu, 15 Dec 2011 15:49:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297199 I think "A-Hole" is a good description of the way the UMG people are behaving. I think “A-Hole” is a good description of the way the UMG people are behaving.

]]> By: bbnupf http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297191 bbnupf Thu, 15 Dec 2011 15:38:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297191 Again, TNT _is_ available on damn near every set-top box, subscription service, iTunes and on their own high-traffic website. It would be pretty stupid and irresponsible to _not_ use a service as popular as YouTube. They don't use YouTube as a replacement for anything, it's just bonus. Still, it's quite simple: no Universal takedown request, no takedown. If you want to blame anyone, blame Universal. They knew very well that what they did was fraudulent. Again, TNT _is_ available on damn near every set-top box, subscription service, iTunes and on their own high-traffic website. It would be pretty stupid and irresponsible to _not_ use a service as popular as YouTube. They don’t use YouTube as a replacement for anything, it’s just bonus.

Still, it’s quite simple: no Universal takedown request, no takedown. If you want to blame anyone, blame Universal. They knew very well that what they did was fraudulent.

]]> By: The Life Of Bryan http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297193 The Life Of Bryan Thu, 15 Dec 2011 15:38:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297193 <blockquote>“I wonder how much TNT pays to YouTube for hosting?”</blockquote>They’re providing the content from which YouTube derives 100% of its ability to sell advertising.

“I wonder how much TNT pays to YouTube for hosting?”

They’re providing the content from which YouTube derives 100% of its ability to sell advertising.

]]> By: LinkMan http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297189 LinkMan Thu, 15 Dec 2011 15:33:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297189 When they hit the takedown button, the person filling out the complaint form has to certify under penalty of perjury as follows: "I am the owner, or an agent authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed."  UMG doesn't own that news program, period. When they hit the takedown button, the person filling out the complaint form has to certify under penalty of perjury as follows: “I am the owner, or an agent authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.”  UMG doesn’t own that news program, period.

]]> By: Hamish Grant http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297184 Hamish Grant Thu, 15 Dec 2011 15:27:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297184 Ok.  I'm not blaming TNT for anything.  I'm suggesting that if they don't want this sort of thing to happen again (and it will), they should take their business elsewhere.  This is completely the fault of YouTube for having set up their dispute system in such a way that companies like Universal can run roughshod over it.  Voting with your wallet is not "victim blaming" - it's just good business sense.  YouTube is broken, they won't fix it anytime soon, so content creators should encourage them to provide a better service by moving elsewhere.  TNT needs YouTube but YouTube needs TNT as well.    Ok.  I’m not blaming TNT for anything.  I’m suggesting that if they don’t want this sort of thing to happen again (and it will), they should take their business elsewhere.  This is completely the fault of YouTube for having set up their dispute system in such a way that companies like Universal can run roughshod over it.  Voting with your wallet is not “victim blaming” – it’s just good business sense.  YouTube is broken, they won’t fix it anytime soon, so content creators should encourage them to provide a better service by moving elsewhere.  TNT needs YouTube but YouTube needs TNT as well.   

]]> By: danimagoo http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297185 danimagoo Thu, 15 Dec 2011 15:27:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297185 Universal isn't the problem. Neither is You Tube. The problem is the current state of copyright law and the DMCA. SOPA will make this 100 times worse. Universal and You Tube are both acting in their own best interests. I can't blame corporations for doing that. What can be blamed are the laws that result in this kind of behavior, and the lack of laws that prevent it. Universal isn’t the problem. Neither is You Tube. The problem is the current state of copyright law and the DMCA. SOPA will make this 100 times worse. Universal and You Tube are both acting in their own best interests. I can’t blame corporations for doing that. What can be blamed are the laws that result in this kind of behavior, and the lack of laws that prevent it.

]]> By: dculberson http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297182 dculberson Thu, 15 Dec 2011 15:26:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297182 Internet radio services ... that then pay licensing fees to groups like Universal. Internet radio services … that then pay licensing fees to groups like Universal.

]]> By: bbnupf http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297179 bbnupf Thu, 15 Dec 2011 15:20:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297179 This is beside the point really. Because of Universal's fraudulent actions (and the way the DMCA works) they lost money, period. Anything else is victim blaming. This is beside the point really. Because of Universal’s fraudulent actions (and the way the DMCA works) they lost money, period. Anything else is victim blaming.

]]> By: cjeam http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/universal-music-uses-false-cop.html#comment-1297175 cjeam Thu, 15 Dec 2011 15:16:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=134406#comment-1297175 I see many options, none of which are legal or moral. I see many options, none of which are legal or moral.

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