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	<title>Comments on: House Speaker John Boehner orders CSPAN&#039;s cameras switched off during contentious House&#160;debate</title>
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		<title>By: DrunkenOrangetree</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/house-speaker-john-boehner-ord.html#comment-1304196</link>
		<dc:creator>DrunkenOrangetree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 15:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then the original story should have included a link to Pelosi&#039;s action. 

As it is, this looks like a  story about the GOP&#039;s censorship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then the original story should have included a link to Pelosi&#8217;s action. </p>
<p>As it is, this looks like a  story about the GOP&#8217;s censorship.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendell Belew</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/house-speaker-john-boehner-ord.html#comment-1303885</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendell Belew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 23:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you look at the clip closely, the Speaker (pro tem) had adjourned the House before Hoyer began his statement. Technically, the House was no longer in session &amp; coverage should have ended. This was a pro-forma session where the House came into session, Van Hollen said the pledge and then the House adjourned. While substantively, I am completely with the Democrats on this issue, procedurally - and I am a lawyer who served as chief counsel to a House committee - Hoyer&#039;s statements took place after the House had adjourned.

Historically, the rule that the Speaker controls the cameras was established by Tip O&#039;Neill. Newt Gingrich (then in the minority) staged shows wherein Republicans would make speeches to an empty chamber (after legislative business was over) making harsh charges against Democrats &amp; challenging them to respond. Since no one but the speech-maker was present, no one responded. The impression was given that Democrats were unable to counter the arguments.

Tip then directed C-Span to pan the empty chamber.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look at the clip closely, the Speaker (pro tem) had adjourned the House before Hoyer began his statement. Technically, the House was no longer in session &amp; coverage should have ended. This was a pro-forma session where the House came into session, Van Hollen said the pledge and then the House adjourned. While substantively, I am completely with the Democrats on this issue, procedurally &#8211; and I am a lawyer who served as chief counsel to a House committee &#8211; Hoyer&#8217;s statements took place after the House had adjourned.</p>
<p>Historically, the rule that the Speaker controls the cameras was established by Tip O&#8217;Neill. Newt Gingrich (then in the minority) staged shows wherein Republicans would make speeches to an empty chamber (after legislative business was over) making harsh charges against Democrats &amp; challenging them to respond. Since no one but the speech-maker was present, no one responded. The impression was given that Democrats were unable to counter the arguments.</p>
<p>Tip then directed C-Span to pan the empty chamber.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Hoehner</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/house-speaker-john-boehner-ord.html#comment-1303437</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Hoehner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have ever actually visited the floor of the House or Senate you&#039;d know that almost all debate and floor speeches are addressing an empty room...clerks, the Speaker pro tempore, party representatives, various USCP, and a few DC tourists are about all that show up  mostly. Standard business....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have ever actually visited the floor of the House or Senate you&#8217;d know that almost all debate and floor speeches are addressing an empty room&#8230;clerks, the Speaker pro tempore, party representatives, various USCP, and a few DC tourists are about all that show up  mostly. Standard business&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Meeker</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/house-speaker-john-boehner-ord.html#comment-1303319</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Meeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 07:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incorrect. Only the Senate has the authority to advise and consent to presidential appointments and therefore a House recess would not allow the President to make recess appointments.

Pro forma sessions are a normal practice in both chambers and allow for certain legislative functions to be performed such as introductions of bills, speaker appointments and other mundane day to day business of each chamber.

There was nothing nefarious in the cameras being turned off or the quick gavel. As much as I think the House R&#039;s should stop trying to be combative on everything, this was by no means some conspiracy. More importantly I think it was a little disingenuous to post this in the first place. The House was clearly no longer in session and there was no reason for the cameras to remain on. 

Just because a congressperson continues to talk after the gavel doesn&#039;t change the fact that the House was no longer in session. Trust me, capitol critters love to talk – especially when a camera is around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incorrect. Only the Senate has the authority to advise and consent to presidential appointments and therefore a House recess would not allow the President to make recess appointments.</p>
<p>Pro forma sessions are a normal practice in both chambers and allow for certain legislative functions to be performed such as introductions of bills, speaker appointments and other mundane day to day business of each chamber.</p>
<p>There was nothing nefarious in the cameras being turned off or the quick gavel. As much as I think the House R&#8217;s should stop trying to be combative on everything, this was by no means some conspiracy. More importantly I think it was a little disingenuous to post this in the first place. The House was clearly no longer in session and there was no reason for the cameras to remain on. </p>
<p>Just because a congressperson continues to talk after the gavel doesn&#8217;t change the fact that the House was no longer in session. Trust me, capitol critters love to talk – especially when a camera is around.</p>
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		<title>By: Anahata</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/house-speaker-john-boehner-ord.html#comment-1303303</link>
		<dc:creator>Anahata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 07:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone from any party who uses this tactic is a douchebag. Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone from any party who uses this tactic is a douchebag. Period.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/house-speaker-john-boehner-ord.html#comment-1303258</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 05:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mace_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mace_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mace_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives</a></p>
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		<title>By: ryuchi</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/house-speaker-john-boehner-ord.html#comment-1303236</link>
		<dc:creator>ryuchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 04:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! -The picture of the video before you play it has these Fascist symbols--an etruscian weapon of sticks with axe. These sticks in Itali were called &#039;fascini&#039; and thus the origin of the name Fascist. What do they have these in the US senat (or whatever this hall in the picutre is...)?? Can anyone explain?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! -The picture of the video before you play it has these Fascist symbols&#8211;an etruscian weapon of sticks with axe. These sticks in Itali were called &#8216;fascini&#8217; and thus the origin of the name Fascist. What do they have these in the US senat (or whatever this hall in the picutre is&#8230;)?? Can anyone explain?</p>
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		<title>By: devans00</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/house-speaker-john-boehner-ord.html#comment-1303224</link>
		<dc:creator>devans00</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 04:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not even pretending to be an open democracy. America&#039;s loss. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not even pretending to be an open democracy. America&#8217;s loss. </p>
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		<title>By: skyhawk1</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/house-speaker-john-boehner-ord.html#comment-1303200</link>
		<dc:creator>skyhawk1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 03:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except when Republican are in control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except when Republican are in control.</p>
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		<title>By: Danilo Albergaria</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/house-speaker-john-boehner-ord.html#comment-1303163</link>
		<dc:creator>Danilo Albergaria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 01:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This makes Boehner a kind of Idra of politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This makes Boehner a kind of Idra of politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/house-speaker-john-boehner-ord.html#comment-1303105</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 00:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not the crying per se; it&#039;s the runnels in his spray tan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not the crying per se; it&#8217;s the runnels in his spray tan.</p>
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		<title>By: Rockn</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/house-speaker-john-boehner-ord.html#comment-1303100</link>
		<dc:creator>Rockn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 23:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He just didn&#039;t want everyone to see him cry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He just didn&#8217;t want everyone to see him cry</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Lopez</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/house-speaker-john-boehner-ord.html#comment-1303040</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Lopez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So with an 11% approval rating does this Congress really want to make it worse?  You know there&#039;s a guy in Syria right now who doesn&#039;t allow cameras either.  This Congress is such a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So with an 11% approval rating does this Congress really want to make it worse?  You know there&#8217;s a guy in Syria right now who doesn&#8217;t allow cameras either.  This Congress is such a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/house-speaker-john-boehner-ord.html#comment-1303016</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If the House goes out of session long enough, The President can make recess appointments.&lt;/blockquote&gt;That always makes me think of the cabinet meeting between the swing set and the jungle jim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If the House goes out of session long enough, The President can make recess appointments.</p></blockquote>
<p>That always makes me think of the cabinet meeting between the swing set and the jungle jim.</p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/house-speaker-john-boehner-ord.html#comment-1303013</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of these days, I hope more Americans quit thinking all Democrats are the exact same as all Republicans.

Look at the fucking voting records.  Open your eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of these days, I hope more Americans quit thinking all Democrats are the exact same as all Republicans.</p>
<p>Look at the fucking voting records.  Open your eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: Thad Boyd</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/house-speaker-john-boehner-ord.html#comment-1303007</link>
		<dc:creator>Thad Boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, you think something can&#039;t be used for political advantage just because the other party&#039;s done the exact same thing in the past?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, you think something can&#8217;t be used for political advantage just because the other party&#8217;s done the exact same thing in the past?</p>
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		<title>By: jerwin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/house-speaker-john-boehner-ord.html#comment-1302963</link>
		<dc:creator>jerwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the House goes out of session long enough, The President can make recess appointments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the House goes out of session long enough, The President can make recess appointments.</p>
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		<title>By: Yacko</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/house-speaker-john-boehner-ord.html#comment-1302946</link>
		<dc:creator>Yacko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right. Boehner is not the baddest guy here. Unfortunately for him he&#039;s got a rambunctious repub party house that he cannot make see reason and they are constantly giving him a hotfoot hoping he will disappear. And let me tell you, they are cwazy. Doesn&#039;t Cantor and his voice remind you of Roger Rabbit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right. Boehner is not the baddest guy here. Unfortunately for him he&#8217;s got a rambunctious repub party house that he cannot make see reason and they are constantly giving him a hotfoot hoping he will disappear. And let me tell you, they are cwazy. Doesn&#8217;t Cantor and his voice remind you of Roger Rabbit?</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan McPherson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/house-speaker-john-boehner-ord.html#comment-1302943</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan McPherson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which just goes to show it&#039;s wrong with anyone does it, regardless of party affiliation.

I hope that was the point you were trying to make.

(And if this is a repost, sorry. My internet connection seemed to hang on my last attempt. Spotty service, and all.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which just goes to show it&#8217;s wrong with anyone does it, regardless of party affiliation.</p>
<p>I hope that was the point you were trying to make.</p>
<p>(And if this is a repost, sorry. My internet connection seemed to hang on my last attempt. Spotty service, and all.)</p>
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		<title>By: amaze</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/house-speaker-john-boehner-ord.html#comment-1302932</link>
		<dc:creator>amaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t make it right.  What are  they afraid of?  They are &quot;supposed&quot; to be their to represent us.  hhhhmmmmm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t make it right.  What are  they afraid of?  They are &#8220;supposed&#8221; to be their to represent us.  hhhhmmmmm</p>
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		<title>By: deaduncledave</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/house-speaker-john-boehner-ord.html#comment-1302888</link>
		<dc:creator>deaduncledave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two wrongs don&#039;t make a right. Saying, &quot;Oh, but the democrats do it too&quot; translates into &quot;EVERYONE practices selective censorship.&quot; This isn&#039;t better, this is far far worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two wrongs don&#8217;t make a right. Saying, &#8220;Oh, but the democrats do it too&#8221; translates into &#8220;EVERYONE practices selective censorship.&#8221; This isn&#8217;t better, this is far far worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/house-speaker-john-boehner-ord.html#comment-1302831</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough, &quot;sadly amusing&quot; would have been more apt.  Gallows humor.

I always think it&#039;s sad/amusing that Pelosi is so often trotted out as some kind of &#039;liberal&#039; figurehead.  &quot;Your hero Pelosi did x&quot;   huh?  whut?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough, &#8220;sadly amusing&#8221; would have been more apt.  Gallows humor.</p>
<p>I always think it&#8217;s sad/amusing that Pelosi is so often trotted out as some kind of &#8216;liberal&#8217; figurehead.  &#8220;Your hero Pelosi did x&#8221;   huh?  whut?</p>
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		<title>By: waetherman</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/house-speaker-john-boehner-ord.html#comment-1302818</link>
		<dc:creator>waetherman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I got what you were saying. My point was that it would be amusing if it weren&#039;t such a sad statement about politics in this country, or if the consequences weren&#039;t so serious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I got what you were saying. My point was that it would be amusing if it weren&#8217;t such a sad statement about politics in this country, or if the consequences weren&#8217;t so serious.</p>
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		<title>By: grimc</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/house-speaker-john-boehner-ord.html#comment-1302815</link>
		<dc:creator>grimc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, what N_J says is the whole truth. Boehner wants the payroll tax cuts to expire to pay for keeping the top bracket&#039;s cuts. He wants to slash gubmint spending--but not in corporate subsidies and defense, just in departments and programs that administrate social programs.

The problem isn&#039;t partisanship. The problem with modern American politics is that the political center is defined by the Democrats on one side--which are, at best, moderately liberal but more likely moderately conservative--and the Republican Tea Party set on the other--radically right-wing.

It&#039;s the fetishization of centrism that&#039;s screwing things up. Maybe when centrists stop crying about &quot;partisanship&quot; and realize that the middle between sane and crazy only serves to legitimize the crazy, we can move forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, what N_J says is the whole truth. Boehner wants the payroll tax cuts to expire to pay for keeping the top bracket&#8217;s cuts. He wants to slash gubmint spending&#8211;but not in corporate subsidies and defense, just in departments and programs that administrate social programs.</p>
<p>The problem isn&#8217;t partisanship. The problem with modern American politics is that the political center is defined by the Democrats on one side&#8211;which are, at best, moderately liberal but more likely moderately conservative&#8211;and the Republican Tea Party set on the other&#8211;radically right-wing.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the fetishization of centrism that&#8217;s screwing things up. Maybe when centrists stop crying about &#8220;partisanship&#8221; and realize that the middle between sane and crazy only serves to legitimize the crazy, we can move forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Hostetter</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/house-speaker-john-boehner-ord.html#comment-1302796</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Hostetter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;ll just be grateful for the repeated illustrations of my point and leave it at that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;ll just be grateful for the repeated illustrations of my point and leave it at that.</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, who cut my camera off!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, who cut my camera off!</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;broadly&quot; meaning a broad swipe of programs that mean nothing to the wealthy.

The fact that the GOP is so worried about paying for tax cuts undermines one of their sacred cows:  That any kind of tax cut pays for itself and spurs growth.

Of course, god forbid Obama or the Democrats actually point that out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;broadly&#8221; meaning a broad swipe of programs that mean nothing to the wealthy.</p>
<p>The fact that the GOP is so worried about paying for tax cuts undermines one of their sacred cows:  That any kind of tax cut pays for itself and spurs growth.</p>
<p>Of course, god forbid Obama or the Democrats actually point that out.</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, well said.</description>
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		<title>By: tony1l</title>
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		<dc:creator>tony1l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 2008  Republicans were shut out, but doesn&#039;t anyone care what they were standing there for?  They were wanting to increase Off-shore drilling and in 2 years the largest off-shore spill in the world occurs wrecking the Gulf coast economically and environmentally.   They were wrong to stand up for the oil-industry then and are wrong to hold up middle class tax cuts now. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 2008  Republicans were shut out, but doesn&#8217;t anyone care what they were standing there for?  They were wanting to increase Off-shore drilling and in 2 years the largest off-shore spill in the world occurs wrecking the Gulf coast economically and environmentally.   They were wrong to stand up for the oil-industry then and are wrong to hold up middle class tax cuts now. </p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/house-speaker-john-boehner-ord.html#comment-1302789</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you misunderstood my post:  That &quot;Mean Old Lady Pelosi&quot; did this or that is irrelevant to the actual issue.  It&#039;s especially irrelevant if you&#039;re say...a progressive and not a fan of the leaders of either party.

You might as well try to justify Obama&#039;s recent civil rights violations  by saying:  &quot;bbbbut mommmy George Bush.....&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you misunderstood my post:  That &#8220;Mean Old Lady Pelosi&#8221; did this or that is irrelevant to the actual issue.  It&#8217;s especially irrelevant if you&#8217;re say&#8230;a progressive and not a fan of the leaders of either party.</p>
<p>You might as well try to justify Obama&#8217;s recent civil rights violations  by saying:  &#8220;bbbbut mommmy George Bush&#8230;..&#8221;</p>
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